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#34262 - 06/27/04 03:02 PM F 9-11
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Anyone else see it?

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#34263 - 06/27/04 03:12 PM Re: F 9-11
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Why would you need to see it, it is getting so much coverage on all the news programs. Usually I go to movies( infrequently as it is) because I think I will enjoy the movie not to make a political statement because 10 bucks is too much for a statement. Unless of course the statement is porn related.
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#34264 - 06/27/04 03:52 PM Re: F 9-11
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propaganda by a slob who should've been the one to do Supersize Me... oh wait, he's already a fat pig.

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#34265 - 06/28/04 03:18 AM Re: F 9-11
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I'm not gonna pay to see a political ad. I am gonna see enough of them in the next few months. Maybe I will see it after the election though.

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#34266 - 07/02/04 06:21 AM Re: F 9-11
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Check this out Moore is such an ass sometimes.

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#34267 - 07/02/04 06:31 AM Re: F 9-11
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I saw the movie. Although some stuff was compelling, there was a bunch of out of context sound bites.

It was well done propaganda, I'll say that.

Some of the pictures were extremely gruesome, and it gave another image of war that i hadn't seen on the news.

I thought it extremely interesting how those soldiers cope with the stuff they must do. I applaude their bravery, and I sympathize with what it must do to them to kill another person. No matter what your politics, killing must have an affect on your emotional makeup. In fact, a soldier said very much the same thing in the movie.

More than that, though, I sympathize with the innocents caught in the middle. Losing small children in that war must be absolutely devastating.

Bush does have many things to answer for with regards to his business dealings with the Saudi's and the bin Ladens. These facts are not in dispute.

I did think the incessant ridicule of Bush by using out of context sound bites was over the top and transparent.

BTW, Saddam was funny yesterday in court. He actually took a minor amount of command over the court room, at least regarding the personalities present. He is an arrogant cock suck, that's for sure.
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#34268 - 07/02/04 06:35 AM Re: F 9-11
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#34269 - 07/02/04 07:23 AM Re: F 9-11
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It was well done propaganda, I'll say that.



How does it compare to Triumph of the Will? Moore isn't the first to do feature-length films as propaganda.

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Some of the pictures were extremely gruesome, and it gave another image of war that i hadn't seen on the news.



War is a messy business. There is a good reason why it's nice to have a president with combat experience.

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Bush does have many things to answer for with regards to his business dealings with the Saudi's and the bin Ladens. These facts are not in dispute.



Depends on who is doing the disputing. He never had much of a reputation of being interested in the oil business - that's a family thing, and he was more-or-less a figurehead trotted out as ambassador to impress guests. If Hicks hadn't made a ridiculous offer for the Texas Rangers Bush might still be a baseball executive (the whole family is baseball people; Bush’s mom still scorecards & stats games).
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#34270 - 07/02/04 07:23 AM Re: F 9-11
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Did they ever make that doll of the propaganda minister that spouts off his catch phrases, now that would be a good one. Also maybe the new Iraqi government could use a new propaganda minister- they could do no better (or worse) than Michael Moore.
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#34271 - 07/02/04 08:39 AM Re: F 9-11
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How does it compare to Triumph of the Will? Moore isn't the first to do feature-length films as propaganda.




I don't know. I never saw that one. Of course Moore isn't the first to do this type of propaganda. It can be argued that many films are attempts at this, although some are not as conspicuous as this one. But some are.

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Depends on who is doing the disputing. He never had much of a reputation of being interested in the oil business - that's a family thing, and he was more-or-less a figurehead trotted out as ambassador to impress guests.




W never had much of a reputation of being interested in any business, really.

Family or not, just the facts that are known, without any ideological spin, deserve attention. I'm talking about the entire family and their dealings with the Saudi's.

I don't think there is anything really sinister about it, beyond making alot of money.

I would like some more light shed on the whole thing though. And from someone who is not so biased as Moore. For that matter I don't want Bush's spin either. I would just prefer some truth.

It's not likely I'll get it.


Ooops, never mind. Wrong thread.



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#34272 - 07/02/04 10:20 AM Re: F 9-11
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Yeah I saw this film. I thought it was complete tripe. Although, it was no worse than the right wing punditry floating about. Theres always something the other side doesn't want you to know...

Also I heard that Moore is offering a link to download this movie for free off of his site.

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#34273 - 07/02/04 10:30 AM Re: F 9-11
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Well that is my problem with Moore's movie, he has every right to make propaganda but there is no way in hell that I am going to pay for it. Even if he was a bizzaro Michael Moore and attacked the Left mostly I would not pay to see it, my money goes to ENTERTAINMENT and PORN.
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#34274 - 07/02/04 10:30 AM Re: F 9-11
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I'm talking about the entire family and their dealings with the Saudi's.




If you're in the oil business in Texas you probably do business with the Saudis. It would be tough to find someone who doesn't unless they just do local drilling.

Triumph of the Will was a Nazi glorification film. Much more powerful than anything Moore is capable of. The director, Leni Riefenstahl, died last year still insisting she was not a Nazi collaborator. Both Hitler and Goebbels thought she was great.
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#34275 - 07/02/04 10:30 AM Re: F 9-11
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"War is a messy business. There is a good reason why it's nice to have a president with combat experience."

not many have since JFK... and Kerry? who cares what he did in Nam, it's the anti-war shit he did that disqualifies him as a leader we can trust. The U.S. needs a president who'll send a strong message not to fuck with us. Not some liberal "war is not the answer" wimp because any weakness will be exploited. We can't let terrorists influence OUR elections to get what THEY want; like what happened in Spain for example. The holy war is already underway & there's no retreat and they want to kill all the infidels. That's you and I whether you like it or not, so united we stand or divided we'll fall. They've already divided us, so be prepared to fight

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#34276 - 07/02/04 10:34 AM Re: F 9-11
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#34277 - 07/02/04 01:05 PM Re: F 9-11
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my money goes to ENTERTAINMENT . . .




Basically all it was. It was well done, but too tranparent to be that effective in the long run.

It doesn't matter, really, anyway.


Bush and Kerry have much more in common than not. The idea of real choice in our system is fiction.

And yeah, jrv, the Saudi's are big players in the oil business. But the Bush's did business with the bin Ladens(Saudi's), who invested great amounts of money in the Bush's companies. Then they flew them out of the country right after 9/11. I know why they did it. I'm just not sure I agree with the decision.

Those are the facts that are not in dispute: The Bush's did business with the bin Laden's, and members of the bin Laden family were flown out of the country right after 9/11, for their safety.

What is in dispute is what it means regarding Bush as a president.

I'm not saying anything is out of order, but it certainly warrants more attention than his contention that saddam collaborated with al qaeda.
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#34278 - 07/02/04 01:13 PM Re: F 9-11
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Naw, by entertainment in the way i was refering to it I meant something to take my mind off how fucked up this world is....something like Riddick or Spiderman 2 ( although I haven't seen it yet- the game rocks though)
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#34279 - 07/02/04 01:21 PM Re: F 9-11
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I want to see Riddick. Was it good?
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#34280 - 07/02/04 01:51 PM Re: F 9-11
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Yeah, normally I buy DVDs and don't go to the movies but i got a free ticket for riddick that came in the Pitch Black DVD so I went and Iu really liked it, it was action packed and Vin as Riddick is such a badass like Clint in those ol Spagettiwesterns. This is more of an action adventure than Pitch Black(horror) but it advances the mythology in the story just the same. If you dig action flicks or light summer fare then check it out because it rocks. It's too bad that free ticket giveaway is expired because you could have gotten a pitch black dvd and seen Riddick for 14.99.
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#34281 - 07/02/04 06:26 PM Re: F 9-11
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not many have since JFK...




Sure, if you don't count Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Bush Sr.

To my mind, Moore makes an important point on one count, and that's that war shouldn't be something that "other people" fight. One congressman (Tim Johnson of South Dakota) has a kid that's an enlisted man. That's fucked up. Check out the war records not of Eisenhower but his kids, his sons-in-law, etc., to see how much this country has changed from what it used to be. That's not just Bush, but Clinton too (Maddy Albright once yelled at Colin Powell saying "What good is this awesome military if we never use it?")
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#34282 - 07/03/04 03:59 AM Re: F 9-11
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Bush does have many things to answer for with regards to his business dealings with the Saudi's and the bin Ladens. These facts are not in dispute.





All the presidents have had the same relationship with the Saudi Royal family even Clinton and Carter it's not a Texas oil man or Republican thing it's just sound economic policy. The Bin Ladens are almost royalty in Saudi themselves and are extremely close to the Prince. How do you keep on the princes good side if you arrest his friends? I am not condoning the gov'ts. policy but as long as the world needs oil they will need the saudi's.

Here is a picture I took when I was over there at the beginning of the year I saw the sign and had to take the picture. They probably thought I was a spy or something.



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#34283 - 07/03/04 08:28 AM Re: F 9-11
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not many have since JFK...




Sure, if you don't count Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Bush Sr.

To my mind, Moore makes an important point on one count, and that's that war shouldn't be something that "other people" fight. One congressman (Tim Johnson of South Dakota) has a kid that's an enlisted man. That's fucked up. Check out the war records not of Eisenhower but his kids, his sons-in-law, etc., to see how much this country has changed from what it used to be. That's not just Bush, but Clinton too (Maddy Albright once yelled at Colin Powell saying "What good is this awesome military if we never use it?")




Arab, your arguement makes sense if it was a draft but these people signed up to be in the armed services, If you join the armed services I think it is reasonable to expect that you might have to fight, not only that but you might have to fight in some fucked up war that should or should not be occuring. Cops have to arrest people, fireman have to enter burning buildings and soldiers might have to fight. Now with a draft my arguement is not true but presently there is no draft.
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#34284 - 07/03/04 11:46 AM Re: F 9-11
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All the presidents have had the same relationship with the Saudi Royal family even Clinton and Carter it's not a Texas oil man or Republican thing it's just sound economic policy. The Bin Ladens are almost royalty in Saudi themselves and are extremely close to the Prince. How do you keep on the princes good side if you arrest his friends? I am not condoning the gov'ts. policy but as long as the world needs oil they will need the saudi's.

Here is a picture I took when I was over there at the beginning of the year I saw the sign and had to take the picture. They probably thought I was a spy or something.






Hmm. thanks. I guess I just didn't realize the connection between the bin ladens and the oil economy.

Just seems off. Call me silly(not you, Kami, lol).
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#34285 - 07/03/04 12:04 PM Re: F 9-11
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You are right toelicker I wish the US could divest itself of any connection to the Middle East but as the economy is presently worked out we cannot, but I would like to see the President ( whoever it is) start the process of moving in that direction- start drilling elsewhere in the meantime but look to the future with some experimentation in fusion or other possible alternatives to fossil fuels- we have to start looking for these alternatives at some point and it might as well be now.
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#34286 - 07/03/04 01:37 PM Re: F 9-11
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I don't disagree. My cousin and I come from the same economic background (grew up on the same street, no less). He joined the army to "see the world" and pay for college, I got a normal job. He's in Fort Campbell right now shitting his pants, I'm just a shade over draft-eligible age.

But what I was taking issue with was that few families of people in power (it's not like Democrats are signing their kids up in their patriotic zeal either) have any connection at all with the military aside from their grandpa. That's not a healthy situation for a country to be in.
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#34287 - 07/03/04 02:18 PM Re: F 9-11
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I see your point and believe it is like that now just because it is another tradition that is lost over time, Years ago 40's and 50's and even the 60's I think the military was looked at with more respect than it was until 9/11. It was the thing to do, to follow in the family's footsteps and join a service and this tradition was passed down but like many other traditions in this day and age it has faltered. Perhaps the renewed interest and support in our military after 9/11 will bring it back. I hope so, anything that would benifit and make the US stronger is all right with me.Happy July 4th to all the troops out there. You guys (and gals) rock
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#34288 - 07/05/04 07:29 AM Re: F 9-11
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As Americans are becoming more affluent they no longer see the advantages of service. My father grew up on a farm and a military career was just an escape from that life.

This is just an observation but our Countries military is diversifying like the rest of our society. They offer immigration help to any alien resident who signs up for service. Anyone who knows their history know that Rome had to do the same thing to keep it's army ranks to a full level. Does anyone else see these similarities?

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#34289 - 07/05/04 07:34 AM Re: F 9-11
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And look what it did for the Romans LOL.
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#34290 - 07/05/04 08:03 AM Re: F 9-11
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When I was watching the fireworks yesterday I had to wonder how many of these people around me actually thought once about the soldiers over there putting their lives on the line. I love America, but too many Americans seem to be selfish assholes.
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#34291 - 07/06/04 06:53 AM Re: F 9-11
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A lowdown on the facts behind the allegations in `Fahrenheit 9/11'

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9069433.htm
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#34292 - 07/08/04 10:58 AM Do Michael Moore admirers all like Trannys?
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http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=107612

HONOLULU - The folks behind shemale Websites SheMaleYum.com and Ladyboy-Ladyboy.com are taking their anti-George Bush, pro-Michael Moore stance to the streets by encouraging their members to see Moore's controversial documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. Members who send their ticket stubs in will receive a free month's access to GiaDarlingXXX, Black Tgirls, Brazilian-Transsexuals, or Franks-Tgirlworld.

"The goal is to get people to see this movie which, while flawed, makes some excellent points that the public may not otherwise be aware of through the conventional media," said Steven Gallon, CEO of parent company Grooby Productions, a leading producer of online transgender Websites/content and the folks responsible for the SheMale Yum video series.

"It doesn't matter where an individual's political ideals lie, they should see it to promote discussion on the subjects that 9/11 suggests," he told AVNOnline.com. "My girlfriend and I went to the movie on a quiet Tuesday night and we couldn't believe that a political documentary was almost full of people who actually got it and paid for this. It was a wide range of people too, aged 18 to 70, students, business people, people on dates, groups of younger people, and so on."

"I'd like to encourage other Websites or industry people to do similar sorts of things," Gallon said. "If Bush gets back in office, it hurts us all. If my promotion on can create some further discussion on this, get people to become more politically aware and even get a few more people to vote who otherwise may have not, I'll be happy."
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#34293 - 07/08/04 12:03 PM Re: Do Michael Moore admirers all like Trannys?
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Gee, this presents a quandry for those inclined to see the flick- because Kylie Ireland is offering an autographed picture for a ticket stub from fatso moore's movie too, which should they choose....hmmmmmmmm
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#34294 - 07/09/04 05:35 AM Re: Do Michael Moore admirers all like Trannys?
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I'm sending mine to Kylie.
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#34295 - 07/09/04 07:10 AM Re: Do Michael Moore admirers all like Trannys?
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I'm sending mine to Kylie.




Good choice
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