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#341705 - 07/07/08 07:32 AM
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I'm fairly certain that at least five of those states (and 66 electoral votes) are wrong. How often is this map updated?
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#341706 - 07/07/08 07:34 AM
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Registered: 08/09/06
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goddammit, i'm from such a right wing state 
yet they've elected a Dem for governor for the last 2 terms.
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#341707 - 07/07/08 07:35 AM
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Registered: 01/02/05
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Two words: Ross Perot
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#341708 - 07/07/08 07:36 AM
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At this point, I'd even vote for that crackpot.
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#341709 - 07/07/08 07:45 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 05/18/06
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it sickens me that my peeps are going democrat, even just "barely." 
Edited by Gigi Zane (07/07/08 07:46 AM)
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#341710 - 07/07/08 08:24 AM
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Ohio is one of the five I think are wrong, along with Virginia, Indiana, Montana and Colorado.
Pennsylvania could go either way. There's a lot of people to embitter between now and November.
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#341711 - 07/07/08 08:27 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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These numbers seem off from what CNN has up. I wonder if this was done before or after Barry back pedaled on Iraq?
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#341712 - 07/07/08 08:42 AM
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These numbers seem off from what CNN has up.
LINK with detailed rollovers.
That's a MUCH different picture, and a bit more realistic. Especially when it comes to Indiana. Per Wiki:
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Indiana has long been considered to be a Republican stronghold. It has only supported a Democrat for president four times since 1900 - in 1912, 1932, 1936 and 1964...
Historically, Republicans have been strongest in the eastern and central portions of the state, as well as the suburbs of the state's major cities. Democrats have been strongest in the northwestern and southern parts of the state along with the major cities. However, outside of Indianapolis, the Chicago suburbs, and Bloomington, the state's Democrats tend to be somewhat more conservative than their counterparts in the rest of the country, especially on social issues. LINK
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I wonder if this was done before or after Barry back pedaled on Iraq?
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"I am surprised at how … the press … I'm not trying to dump on you guys, but I'm surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured," Obama said.
Waaahhh... stop quoting me 
ALSO: Triumph des Schwartzenmensch
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#341713 - 07/07/08 11:20 AM
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BTW: Did anyone happen to catch Jughead's short lived "seal" a couple of weeks back? Here it is again:
I love how quickly this one got yanked. First of all, he looks like a little kid playing at his old man's desk. Beyond that, though, how many people are going to see the motto and assume it means "Playin' Possum?"
There's also the fact that it's a direct rip-off of The West Wing (Bartlett For America.)
If he was going for a Kennedy-esque moment, he picked the wrong one:
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#341714 - 07/07/08 02:22 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/30/08
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yet they've elected a Dem for governor for the last 2 terms.
It was a shock that they nominated Henry but I was glad...especially after dealing with Keating, who was our Giuliani 
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#341715 - 07/07/08 02:36 PM
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I lived under that asshole's regime for eight years. There is no "other" Giuliani.
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#341716 - 07/07/08 06:54 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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BTW: Did anyone happen to catch Jughead's short lived "seal" a couple of weeks back? Here it is again:
I love how quickly this one got yanked. First of all, he looks like a little kid playing at his old man's desk. Beyond that, though, how many people are going to see the motto and assume it means "Playin' Possum?"
There's also the fact that it's a direct rip-off of The West Wing (Bartlett For America.)
If he was going for a Kennedy-esque moment, he picked the wrong one:
if you are part of the demographic that could possibly construe that or associate it with Playin' Possum, you're already a McCain voter already and just looking for shit to nitpick.
As far as CNN coverage, they've been lowballing Obama since last year and backing Hilary relentlessly, onceshe "suspended" her bid for nomination, the venom continues to pulsate through CNN.
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#341717 - 07/07/08 07:00 PM
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See, that's the kind of dumbass either/or logic that's ruining America. I don't like either of them. The fact remains, though, that Obama is a child playing a grown up's game.
In a Whiskey world, Obama has all the gravitas of a Shirley Temple.
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#341719 - 07/07/08 07:40 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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See, that's the kind of dumbass either/or logic that's ruining America. I don't like either of them. The fact remains, though, that Obama is a child playing a grown up's game.
In a Whiskey world, Obama has all the gravitas of a Shirley Temple.
then vote for who you like. what's the problem?
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#341720 - 07/07/08 07:47 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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The problem is that there is no one worth a damn running. Thank you two party system.
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#341721 - 07/07/08 07:58 PM
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I usually vote (D) as the lesser of two evils. This time around, I really can't decide who's worse. The third-party guys are just as douchey as the other two.
I'm still strongly considering writing in a Steward/Little protest ballot.
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#341722 - 07/07/08 08:02 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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The problem is that there is no one worth a damn running. Thank you two party system.
so what would be your ideal candidate?
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#341723 - 07/07/08 08:06 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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Social moderate, fiscal conservative. I think I'm just going vote libertarian.
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#341724 - 07/07/08 08:18 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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there hasn't been a fiscal conservative in 50 years and probably will never be again.
as far as social moderate i don't think you even believe that yourself if your alternate choice is a libertarian who are anything but socially moderate.
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#341725 - 07/07/08 08:25 PM
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Well, this year's "libertarian" candidate is a fucking Nazi who's flip-flopped just as badly as the other two. And don't get me started on the commie the Greens are running.
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#341726 - 07/07/08 08:27 PM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
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Mister, we could use a man like Barry Goldwater again. Even as an ex-Repub and now Libertarian, I wouldn't mind a guy with the political and economic views of JFK, only with more executive experience and foreign policy competence. Candidates who don't understand or minimize the threat posed by radical Islam have no business in the Oval Office.
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#341727 - 07/07/08 08:29 PM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
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Loc: St. Louis
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Well, this year's "libertarian" candidate is a fucking Nazi who's flip-flopped just as badly as the other two. And don't get me started on the commie the Greens are running.
I always thought Barr got a bad rap. He wasn't media-friendly, so the media tried successfully to portray him as a right-wing nutjob. I will be voting for Barr this year.
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#341728 - 07/07/08 08:32 PM
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Candidates who don't understand or minimize the threat posed by radical Islam have no business in the Oval Office.
I guarantee you that, if he wins, all the kool-aid chuggers who think Obama's the second coming of Bobby Kennedy are going to be kicking themselves six months later when they realize he's the second coming of Jimmy Carter.
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#341729 - 07/07/08 08:44 PM
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I always thought Barr got a bad rap. He wasn't media-friendly, so the media tried successfully to portray him as a right-wing nutjob. I will be voting for Barr this year.
As a leader of the impeachment effort I could never vote for the guy even if he hadn't flip-flopped on most of his life-long positions just to get the Lib nod.
But beyond that, his fellow Republicans repudiated him 2:1 in a primary. For them to do that, after leading the charge against Bubba with a cum-stained dress as a banner, you know something's gotta be wrong with the guy.
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#341730 - 07/07/08 09:51 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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Mister, we could use a man like Barry Goldwater again. Even as an ex-Repub and now Libertarian, I wouldn't mind a guy with the political and economic views of JFK, only with more executive experience and foreign policy competence. Candidates who don't understand or minimize the threat posed by radical Islam have no business in the Oval Office.
ah yes, "radical islam" - the boogeyman of the 21st century.
keep drinking the koolaid.
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#341732 - 07/07/08 10:07 PM
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ah yes, "radical islam" - the boogeyman of the 21st century.
keep drinking the koolaid.
Come on up here to NYC sometime. There's a big hole in the ground I'd like to toss your myopic ass into.
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#341733 - 07/07/08 10:19 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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hmm.. Quote:
my·o·pi·a (m-p-)
n.
1. A visual defect in which distant objects appear blurred because their images are focused in front of the retina rather than on it; nearsightedness. Also called short sight.
2. Lack of discernment or long-range perspective in thinking or planning:
As in... "It is myopic to develop an entire foreign policy around a single major terrorist incident and demand it as a sole qualifiable quality in a president of the United States"
Funny how terrorism wasn't a big priority after 1993 when World Trade Center was attacked, or in 1998 when the 2 US embassies were blown up in Africa. But as soon as the specter of communism was finally dead and buried, a new boogeyman arose!
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#341734 - 07/07/08 10:25 PM
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The terrorists and I go way back. One of my best friends was blown up over Lockerbee well before the first WTC bombing.
So tell me: Which Douchey Euro country do you hail from?
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#341735 - 07/07/08 11:02 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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Ah, so is it just terrorists, or radical islamic terrorists?
Because in the Lockerbie case, 1 of the 2 men was acquitted, 2nd one has been convicted but granted another appeal in 2007 due to a possible miscarriage of justice.
It's also worth pointing out that the convicted man Megrahi has no particular ties to radical Islam and was a former intelligence officer for Libya which in the 80s pretty much meant that the bombing was probably carried out for political reasons rather than religious reasons - that is if he is in fact the guilty party which the Scottish court will decide during his 2nd appeal.
Sorry about your friend.
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#341736 - 07/07/08 11:06 PM
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Anonymous
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Sorry you've got your head up your ass. But hey, that's politics. Say hi to your pal Osama for me, will ya? 
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#341737 - 07/07/08 11:14 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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A brilliant retort from a future voter.
And the same people complain about not having anyone to vote for because they can't find a simpleton candidate with a single issue platform.
Oh wait, try writing in Giuliani - he ran on a 9/11 platform.
p.s. 9/11.
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#341738 - 07/08/08 04:33 AM
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Another Douchebag Euro who presumes to lecture us "simpleton" Americans about issues he not only fails to comprehend but grossly underestimates.
But I'd expect nothing less from a guy who named himself after the gayest, most pretentious channel on cable.
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#341739 - 07/08/08 05:39 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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there hasn't been a fiscal conservative in 50 years and probably will never be again.
as far as social moderate i don't think you even believe that yourself if your alternate choice is a libertarian who are anything but socially moderate.
Meet US Senator Tom Coburn, a fiscal conservative. he hates pork so much you would think he's muslim. You sure don't find fiscal conservatives on the other side of the aisle.
I believe in some of their social policies but what it comes to is my list against the libertarians, is far shorter than my list against the other two parties and they're fiscally conservative. I happen to believe that is much more important.
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#341741 - 07/08/08 01:03 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/19/04
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Ply them with cartoons, pork rings and small fluffy dogs and apparently that religion will collapse. Like other things political- neither side will do what is necessary to put an end to all this. I have no children and could care less anymore so Obama will probably do an equal job to the republican candidate. Besides I am aching to see what shows like the Daily Show will do for material after the election. Carry over Bush jokes will only cover a few months then will grow stale.
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#341742 - 07/08/08 01:06 PM
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Are we going to jump back on this tired horse again, your Lordship? If you insist on doing so, try and remember that PIRA actually hit legitimate targets at one point or tried to, like at Brighton.
How's those sweatshops of yours, anyway?
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#341744 - 07/08/08 01:16 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Don't worry Cleetus at this rate Obummer might win election but with only a 9% approval rating I think Congress might swing back the other way.
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#341745 - 07/08/08 01:26 PM
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Legitimate targets like two of my local pubs?
Legitimate targets like Maggie Thatcher and your fellow sweatshop owning Tories. When the wrong targets started getting hit, I stopped giving them money. More than a decade before Good Friday, actually.
Good Friday itself was a decade ago. Ulster evolves. The muslims are still plotting. Apples and oranges, my Orange friend.
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#341747 - 07/08/08 02:36 PM
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So they came in the wake of Bloody Sunday, then? Just what part of "I stopped giving them money" are you having trouble comprehending, Your Grace? And just how much ammunition do you honestly think the pocket change I gave them before I was seventeen years old actually bought? I came to see that the cycle of violence was causing more problems than it solved and the British weren't going to be chased out thereby. The muslims haven't seen that light yet. Besides, I don't recall Adams or McGuinness issuing a Fatwa against Sinead O'Connor for offending the Pope. But just draw one little cartoon...
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#341748 - 07/08/08 02:52 PM
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#341750 - 07/08/08 04:17 PM
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What is it that leads you to make so many baseless assumptions about me?
Baseless? How about your support for a pistol whipping thug,? Or the way you metaphorically turned three shades of purple when a whore dared to vent on her blog? Or your air of smug superiority and utter lack of humor every time you post. You want to talk about horseshit emanating from a keyboard let's start with that.
Or how about your utter intractability and determination to keep fighting a war that even its principals have abandoned? Do you suppose that Paisley's hands are any less bloody than McGuinness'? Yet, until the former's recent retirement, they both eventually sat down and worked together in Stormont. The war is over, Ivor. The weapons are decommissioned. Yet here you are, still fighting it on a fucking porn board. In that regard, you're just as thin skinned and grudge carrying as the muslims.
Ulster has evolved. You and the muslims haven't.
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#341751 - 07/08/08 08:26 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/10/08
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Another Douchebag Euro who presumes to lecture us "simpleton" Americans about issues he not only fails to comprehend but grossly underestimates.
But I'd expect nothing less from a guy who named himself after the gayest, most pretentious channel on cable.
Oh those silly Europeans underestimating that terrible Muslim threat.
1. Europe has been fending off Muslims all the way since the 8th century at the Battle of Tours and at the Siege if Vienna in the 16th and 17th century, Battle of Kosovo in the 14th century and dozens of other smaller wars in skirmishes from the expansion of Ottomans into Europe in the Renaissance and post-Renaissance era and before that.
Had it been overrun at any of those times, those proud Eurotrash ancestors of yours who eventually became such patriotic Americans would be dropping to their knees 5 times a day.
2. Europe has a minority population of Muslims in Western Europe that eclipses anything America could ever imagine. The largest single group of non-German descent in Germany is Muslim Turks. The population of France is close to being 20% Muslim and middle-eastern.
So if anyone understands the implications of radical Islam, it is those "Douchebag Euros who fail to understand those issues".
You had 1 attack that you're getting all bent out of shape, Europe has been fighting terrorism for centuries, and modern terrorism since the 1950s.
So I wouldn't be so quick to presume to lecture those "douchebag euros" from your insulated American reality.
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#341752 - 07/08/08 08:27 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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there hasn't been a fiscal conservative in 50 years and probably will never be again.
as far as social moderate i don't think you even believe that yourself if your alternate choice is a libertarian who are anything but socially moderate.
Meet US Senator Tom Coburn, a fiscal conservative. he hates pork so much you would think he's muslim. You sure don't find fiscal conservatives on the other side of the aisle.
I believe in some of their social policies but what it comes to is my list against the libertarians, is far shorter than my list against the other two parties and they're fiscally conservative. I happen to believe that is much more important.
And how electable is Coburn?
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#341753 - 07/08/08 08:32 PM
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Anonymous
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Hey, John Thomas, how's it going?
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#341754 - 07/08/08 08:37 PM
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Porn Jesus
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He won re-election in 06 no problem at all. He *gasp* does exactly what he says he's going to do. Pretty novel concept, in a politician, isn't it?
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#341755 - 07/08/08 08:40 PM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
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I'd say the Europeans who fought off the Muslims in Spain, France, Austria, Italy, etc. are a different breed than the current multi-culti Europeans. If Europe is so cognizant of the Muslim threat, why has it allowed so many to enter Europe? The demographics are simply not on the side of Europe. Muslims are immigrating to Europe at record levels and breeding at much higher rates than Europeans. Muslims will control Europe by the end of the century without firing a shot, although they will likely fire shots and detonate bombs just for the fun of it. Europeans think they can appease and assimilate Muslims, but those efforts are futile. Europe is finished and you Europeans won't even realize it until you are answering the call to prayer five times daily and sticking your asses in the air more often than Kelly Wells.
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#341756 - 07/08/08 08:41 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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He won re-election in 06 no problem at all. He *gasp* does exactly what he says he's going to do. Pretty novel concept, in a politician, isn't it?
I didn't ask if he was electable for student council. How electable is he as a president? Obama won in IL with something around 70+% in his Senate run, but he had a tough time against Hilary and even a fossil like McCain who changes his stance on issues every 3 days either due to senility or just general lack of principle.
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#341757 - 07/08/08 08:43 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I'd say the Europeans who fought off the Muslims in Spain, France, Austria, Italy, etc. are a different breed than the current multi-culti Europeans. If Europe is so cognizant of the Muslim threat, why has it allowed so many to enter Europe? The demographics are simply not on the side of Europe. Muslims are immigrating to Europe at record levels and breeding at much higher rates than Europeans. Muslims will control Europe by the end of the century without firing a shot, although they will likely fire shots and detonate bombs just for the fun of it. Europeans think they can appease and assimilate Muslims, but those efforts are futile. Europe is finished and you Europeans won't even realize it until you are answering the call to prayer five times daily and sticking your asses in the air more often than Kelly Wells.
Probably because Europeans aren't a bunch of paranoid, xenophobic, easily suckered schmucks.
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#341758 - 07/08/08 08:49 PM
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Porn Jesus
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You didn't specify dipshit. Last time I checked the US Senate wasn't a student council, and he will be elected as long as he wants it.
Last time I checked it was Obummer that was back pedaling on Iraq. Didn't he even flip flop on the wire tap bill? Didn't he tell his liberal cohorts he was against NAFTA then tell the Canadian government he wasn't?
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#341759 - 07/08/08 09:19 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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You didn't specify dipshit. Last time I checked the US Senate wasn't a student council, and he will be elected as long as he wants it.
I didn't have to. The conversation was about US presidents, not senators and the remark was made in that context.
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Last time I checked it was Obummer that was back pedaling on Iraq.
Don't recall him ever backpedalling on Iraq
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Didn't he even flip flop on the wire tap bill?
Why ask me when Obama already has the answer for you?
I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.
This was not an easy call for me. I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush Administration's program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That's why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.
But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year. The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any President or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court. In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people. But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I've said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility
The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The recent investigation uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.
The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe -- particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention -- once I'm sworn in as President -- to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.
Now, I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I'm happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere. For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples' attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true -- not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.
I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I'm not exempt from that. I'm certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States -- a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples' business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country's destiny.
Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.
So I appreciate the feedback through my.barackobama.com, and I look forward to continuing the conversation in the months and years to come. Together, we have a lot of work to do.
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Didn't he tell his liberal cohorts he was against NAFTA then tell the Canadian government he wasn't?
I believe what he actually said was that he wanted to renegotiate NAFTA which is quite a bit different than the "flip-flopping" that he was accused of.
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#341760 - 07/09/08 05:45 AM
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I didn't have to. The conversation was about US presidents, not senators and the remark was made in that context.
The conversation was about fiscally conservative politicians. You fail.
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Don't recall him ever backpedalling on Iraq
From saying he wanted a complete withdraw to start as soon as he takes office to saying he needed to consider the circumstances on the ground first is flip flop. You fail again.
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Why ask me when Obama already has the answer for you?
So he passed it any way even though he voted against it before without any significant changes to it? Another flip flop, stike three, Failure must be your middle name.
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I believe what he actually said was that he wanted to renegotiate NAFTA which is quite a bit different than the "flip-flopping" that he was accused of.
Maybe you should do some reading.
Welcome to Failure, population you.
Face it Obama is just the same old politician presenting only the appearance of change. He's pumping out his little balls of political bullshit and you're eating it up like truffles. LOL, it must be terrible to be as stupid as you.
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#341761 - 07/09/08 12:18 PM
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Bravo, I am astonished that you are able to readily list incidents of Muslim armed aggression against Europe over the centuries, yet fail to recognize Islam as a contemporary threat. Exactly when did Islam lose it's propensity for jihad and expansion? Islam certainly suffered a setback with the demise of the Ottoman Empire, but that hardly was the impetus for a change in the fundamental nature of Islam (expansion by jihad) or Islam's view of its proper place in the world (domination).
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#341762 - 07/09/08 12:36 PM
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#341763 - 07/09/08 04:47 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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Islam as a threat to world peace? Definitely.
Islam as an existential threat on the scale of the old Soviet Union? Not a chance.
We are frightening ourselves with ghosts and boogymen. Even worse, we are distracting ourselves from the real problems at hand, problems that really do threaten to destroy us.
There are a lot of chickens coming home to roost in the next few years; peak oil, emigration, the federal deficit, and the hollowing out of our manufacturing base just to name a few.
Jesus, why would anyone want to be president?
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#341764 - 07/09/08 05:25 PM
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The last thing the Soviets wanted was a nuclear war. The freaking muzzies can't wait to pop a nuke in an American city. They think a global war between Islam and the infidels fulfills their prophecies. It often amazes me that so many people don't understand how batshit crazy these radical mullahs and their followers are.
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#341765 - 07/09/08 05:30 PM
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And they'll try to provoke one by hitting Tel Aviv first.
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#341766 - 07/09/08 05:56 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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Consider what you're saying. A global war?
How many aircraft carriers do they control?
How many submarines? How many satellites?
How many long range bombers? Laser/GPS guided munitions?
How much do they spend on defense research? On electronic countermeasures? On electronic intelligence gathering?
The United States spends more on defense than the next three biggest nations combined.
We have the best-trained,most capable, and most lethal military the world has ever seen.
I agree, someday, some crazed terrorist group might very well succeed in blowing up an american city. And I assure you, after it happened, every islamic nation on earth would be falling all over themselves denying responsibility and pointing fingers for fear of our response.
Please, please, don't fall for this scare-mongering.
While you worry about an Islamic world war, our currency is being inflated to worthlessness, our infrastructure is falling apart, and our middle class is being destroyed.
Yes, radical islam will be a festering problem for years to come, and yes they might actually kill a few of us.
But we are in far greater danger of destroying ourselves.
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#341767 - 07/09/08 06:02 PM
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Consider what you're saying. A global war?
How many aircraft carriers do they control?
How many submarines? How many satellites?
How many long range bombers? Laser/GPS guided munitions?
All they need to start one is one nuke on a missile. Iran already has the missiles. They've got the centrifuges in place. Do you really believe them when they say they're for peaceful purposes? Their President has gone on record saying he wants to wipe Israel off the map. Do you really think they're not planning a second Holocaust while they hold conferences denying the first one?
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#341768 - 07/09/08 06:40 PM
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I think Iran is playing a very smart game. They're not being irrational at all, in fact, it seems to me that they're angling to control the entire middle east.
But they're persians and everybody else over there is an arab so it's anyone's guess whether or not they'll succeed.
They're betting that they can exhaust us and drive us out of the area.
It's a game of intimidation.
As for Israel, the israelis are a lot more ruthless than we are and you can bet the iranian government knows it.
Again, it's true that some crazy might succeed in blowing up Tel Aviv, but the israelis would have missles and bombers in the air before the dust settled.
Once again, my main concern is the distraction.
We get told that:
The dirty liberals want to raise your taxes.
The dirty arabs want to take over the country.
The dirty bible thumpers want to take away your porn.
The dirty catholics want to take away your abortions.
The dirty blacks want to fuck your daughters.
Meanwhile, GM has lost 70% of its value.
Wake Up!
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#341769 - 07/09/08 06:46 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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I apologize for preaching.
This is a porn board after all.
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#341770 - 07/09/08 06:53 PM
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As for Israel, the israelis are a lot more ruthless than we are and you can bet the iranian government knows it.
Again, it's true that some crazy might succeed in blowing up Tel Aviv, but the israelis would have missles and bombers in the air before the dust settled...
Wake Up!
This might hold some water if the Iranians were rational, as the Soviets were. They are not. At the end of the day, they're apocalyptic theocrats looking to provoke a final showdown with the infidel. All the Israeli (or American) missiles and bombers in the world wouldn't stop the mullahs from launching a nuke if/when they get one in their possession.
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#341771 - 07/09/08 07:14 PM
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The conversation was about fiscally conservative politicians. You fail.
Son, when people are talking about the electoral college, they are talking about POTUS. Because they are the only ones who can be elected by the electoral college. Didn't you pay attention in civics class?
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From saying he wanted a complete withdraw to start as soon as he takes office to saying he needed to consider the circumstances on the ground first is flip flop. You fail again.
There's nothing contradictory about those statements. A complete withdrawal yes, and he needs to consider the circumstances as to how to make that complete withdrawal as orderly as possible.
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So he passed it any way even though he voted against it before without any significant changes to it? Another flip flop, stike three, Failure must be your middle name.
Try reading it again, you seem to be consistently having difficulty with reading comprehension.
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Maybe you should do some reading.
Welcome to Failure, population you.[]
From the article: CTV, the well-regarded Canadian news network, reported this week that a top Obama adviser contacted the Canadian government to calm fears that the senator was serious about rewriting pro-corporate deals such as the North American Free Trade Agreement to benefit workers, farmers and the environment.
Sure sounds like renegotiating to me and even if it isn't - so what?
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Face it Obama is just the same old politician presenting only the appearance of change. He's pumping out his little balls of political bullshit and you're eating it up like truffles. LOL, it must be terrible to be as stupid as you.
To be honest I don't even know why I am defending Obama to you, since I am not voting for him. I guess its just a reflex to see tunnel vision stupidity ramble on through with nothing but a handful of talking points to support its position.
As you were.
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Bravo, I am astonished that you are able to readily list incidents of Muslim armed aggression against Europe over the centuries, yet fail to recognize Islam as a contemporary threat. Exactly when did Islam lose it's propensity for jihad and expansion? Islam certainly suffered a setback with the demise of the Ottoman Empire, but that hardly was the impetus for a change in the fundamental nature of Islam (expansion by jihad) or Islam's view of its proper place in the world (domination).
I suppose it is because people who are actually familiar with the history of Islam and have a general understanding of it that happens to go farther back than 2001 can make a more objective assessment.
I'm not saying Islam is 100% benign, but there are extremists in every religion and some of them just as dangerous that champion Christianity.
What I am saying the panicked frenzy that almost every American works himself over Islam is genuinely comical and the politicians exploit to the maximum extent. Seriously, a guy (Jim B.) won't vote for a president because he doesn't think the President understands Islam but he probably supports McCain who can't even tell the difference between Sunnis and Shiites? Of course Obama can have a Ph. D. in Islamic Studies and that's still won't be enough for Jim because to him the extent of "understanding of Islam" comes down to having a guy who wants to destroy it. It's just prejudice masquerading as intellectualism.
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There are a lot of chickens coming home to roost in the next few years; peak oil, emigration, the federal deficit, and the hollowing out of our manufacturing base just to name a few.
Seriously, what's the bill for the Iraq war up to now? 2 trillion? Another 300 billion package coming up around the corner to bail out the idiot homeowners after the housing crisis? Bailing out the financial industry after the credit crunch fiasco? And probably having to bail out the airlines at the end of this year because they can't stay solvent due to rising fuel prices? Stimulus checks for everybody that don't stimulate a damn thing? And that's just in 2008 (with exception of Iraq War).
Who's footing the bill for all of this? Ah. who cares CAUSE JIHADIS ARE AFTER US!!!
What a joke. This country will run itself into the ground long before any Muslims will mostly due to guys like Jim B.
As far as Iran goes, it's just more fear mongering. If anyone is intimidating anyone its the 2 carrier groups in the Persian Gulf with all their guns pointed at Iran while the US President keeps threatening them with war. Seriously, what do you expect them to do - bend over because you're publicly threatening them without a way to save face?
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#341772 - 07/09/08 07:28 PM
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Seriously, a guy (Jim B.) won't vote for a president because he doesn't think the President understands Islam but he probably supports McCain who can't even tell the difference between Sunnis and Shiites? Of course Obama can have a Ph. D. in Islamic Studies and that's still won't be enough for Jim because to him the extent of "understanding of Islam" comes down to having a guy who wants to destroy it.
Wow. You really DO have your head up your ass. Where have I ever said I support McCain? Nowhere, that's where. I've consistently said I don't like either of them. One is a crazy old man and the other is a hopeless naif. The only question is which one is going to put us in a worse predicament. I merely tire of the folks who think Obama can walk on water.
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#341773 - 07/09/08 07:30 PM
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As far as Iran goes, it's just more fear mongering. If anyone is intimidating anyone its the 2 carrier groups in the Persian Gulf with all their guns pointed at Iran while the US President keeps threatening them with war. Seriously, what do you expect them to do - bend over because you're publicly threatening them without a way to save face?
So those missiles and centrifuges are there for peaceful purposes, right?
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#341774 - 07/09/08 07:34 PM
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Seriously, a guy (Jim B.) won't vote for a president because he doesn't think the President understands Islam but he probably supports McCain who can't even tell the difference between Sunnis and Shiites? Of course Obama can have a Ph. D. in Islamic Studies and that's still won't be enough for Jim because to him the extent of "understanding of Islam" comes down to having a guy who wants to destroy it.
Wow. You really DO have your head up your ass. Where have I ever said I support McCain? Nowhere, that's where. I've consistently said I don't like either of them. One is a crazy old man and the other is a hopeless naif. The only question is which one is going to put us in a worse predicament. I merely tire of the folks who think Obama can walk on water.
I apologize. Please replace "McCain" with "candidate" then and edit your reply as needed. Your issue with me seems to be that I unfairly pegged you as a McCain supporter but you don't seem to have a problem with the fact that you just want a candidate who will annihilate Islam.
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#341775 - 07/09/08 07:39 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 07/12/07
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Um, one last point.
If islam is a threat, it is solely because muslims are sitting on top of very large, and rapidly dwindling, supply of oil.
When the oil runs out, the middle east will go back to being a cultural and economic backwater.
Rest assured, the future does not belong to islam.
As to the rest, is fiscal conservatism enough to save us?
Right now it seems we're at each others throats, egged on by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the Daily Show.
I have no fucking idea how Obama has gotten this far. 2 years in the senate and now he's the democratic candidate for president?
And I don't think McCain expected to get this far either. The man seems totally unprepared for his own presidential campaign, let alone leading this country.
Honestly, I don't see anyone on the horizon who seems up to the task.
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#341776 - 07/09/08 07:44 PM
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My issue with you, beyond your inability to read, your smarmy tone and your penchant for presumptively putting words in peoples mouths, is that you seem to have no concept of the danger Islam poses.
Annihilation (or vernichtung, if you like) is a horrible word for an even more horrible act. Why would I advocate annihilating Islam if I oppose Ahmadinijad's plan to annihilate Israel?
I suspect that your biggest problem is that you're still quite young and incapable of thinking in any terms but either/or. Some people never outgrow it. I hope you do, because the universe is made up of nuance and you seem to be missing out on it.
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#341777 - 07/09/08 07:45 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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As far as Iran goes, it's just more fear mongering. If anyone is intimidating anyone its the 2 carrier groups in the Persian Gulf with all their guns pointed at Iran while the US President keeps threatening them with war. Seriously, what do you expect them to do - bend over because you're publicly threatening them without a way to save face?
So those missiles and centrifuges are there for peaceful purposes, right?
Is Iran wrong to defend itself against constant threats of attacks?
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#341778 - 07/09/08 07:50 PM
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Um, one last point.
If islam is a threat, it is solely because muslims are sitting on top of very large, and rapidly dwindling, supply of oil.
When the oil runs out, the middle east will go back to being a cultural and economic backwater.
Rest assured, the future does not belong to islam.
Not necessarily. The Princes, Emirs, Sultans and others (not the least of which the rest of the binladen family) have more money than God right now and the smart ones are diversifying like mad. They'll always have a few mil to plop down on the next loon who's got a bug up his ass about a cartoon or a pic of a puppy dog.
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As to the rest, is fiscal conservatism enough to save us?
Right now it seems we're at each others throats, egged on by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the Daily Show.
I have no fucking idea how Obama has gotten this far. 2 years in the senate and now he's the democratic candidate for president?
And I don't think McCain expected to get this far either. The man seems totally unprepared for his own presidential campaign, let alone leading this country.
Honestly, I don't see anyone on the horizon who seems up to the task.
I agree with the rest of this, though.
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#341779 - 07/09/08 07:54 PM
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Is Iran wrong to defend itself against constant threats of attacks?
You can't possibly be serious. Would they be threatened if not for the nukes and the missiles? If they didn't bankroll Hezbollah and other organizations? You're putting the cart before the horse.
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#341780 - 07/09/08 07:58 PM
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My issue with you, beyond your inability to read, your smarmy tone and your penchant for presumptively putting words in peoples mouths, is that you seem to have no concept of the danger Islam poses.
I have been nothing but cordial to you here where you have started directly insulting me from the get go. The danger is nothing more than a fanciful manufacture by folks like you. How do you exactly see Islam as a threat to US?
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Annihilation (or vernichtung, if you like) is a horrible word for an even more horrible act. Why would I advocate annihilating Islam if I oppose Ahmadinijad's plan to annihilate Israel?
Oh that's quaint, how do you intend to resolve the issue of radical Islam then?
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I suspect that your biggest problem is that you're still quite young and incapable of thinking in any terms but either/or. Some people never outgrow it. I hope you do, because the universe is made up of nuance and you seem to be missing out on it.
Right, because the nuance is in.. "RECOGNIZING WHAT A THREAT ISLAM IS!!!"
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#341781 - 07/09/08 08:05 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Is Iran wrong to defend itself against constant threats of attacks?
You can't possibly be serious. Would they be threatened if not for the nukes and the missiles? If they didn't bankroll Hezbollah and other organizations? You're putting the cart before the horse.
You mean like when US overthrew their elected government in 1953 and replaced it with an American puppet?
I'd say there's a good precedent not to trust America to avoid getting a royal screwjob again.
The real threat is not the nuclear program, I don't begrudge them developing one after seeing that a wasteland like North Korea was immediately treated differently after attaining one. But it's not just nukes - it's supporting Shiite militants in Iraq, Iranian oil bourse, Hezbollah, etc.
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#341782 - 07/09/08 08:19 PM
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The real threat is not the nuclear program...
All right. Good Troll. Nicely done. You really had me there for a while. But not even Kn*x is this out of touch with reality.
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#341783 - 07/09/08 08:23 PM
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The real threat is not the nuclear program...
All right. Good Troll. Nicely done. You really had me there for a while. But not even Kn*x is this out of touch with reality.
Fair enough 
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#341784 - 07/10/08 07:27 AM
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I'm not quite to the point of making an accusation yet but I am wondering.
Bravo=Dither over at ADT ?
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#341785 - 07/10/08 08:14 AM
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Bravo's English is a bit better, I think. That's why I went with JT.
But, like I said, it's not real, it's a troll. A damn good one, but a troll nonetheless.
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#341786 - 07/10/08 06:12 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Not a troll and I never posted on any porn boards before. Regardless, this conversation seems to have run its course.
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#341787 - 07/10/08 06:53 PM
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Where the discourse is intelligent, cogent and civilized?
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#341790 - 08/10/08 11:54 AM
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fifty bucks gunker's jerking it right now watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4
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#341793 - 08/10/08 06:32 PM
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I don't really like either candidate.... But I'll be voting for McCain.
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#341795 - 08/11/08 11:33 AM
Re: 2008 Election Projections
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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I kind of like the swastika on Jesus' forehead.
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#341796 - 08/11/08 11:34 AM
Re: 2008 Election Projections
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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its not jesus... its obviously charlie.
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#341798 - 08/11/08 12:03 PM
Re: 2008 Election Projections
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That's what they said on his last trip abroad:
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