I find it hard to quarrel with the Chinese. People were starving, something had to be done. The solution respects the right to bring about another generation, but addresses the terrible overpopulation problem. No one likes rationing of anything, but there are only so many resources to go around.

This world can support a lot more folks if more were vegetarian. That would sure help.

I don't think I have ever advocated taking away rights, absent abuse or crime.

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As someone who comes from a family that is dedicated to protecting all rights through your service in the military (very applaudable) I find it very disheartening that you would find "no quarrel" with the chinese solution to overpoplulation.

You sates "SOMETHING' had to be done. What you fail to explain is exactly what that "SONMETHING" is. You say "their solution" doesnt take away rights. Lets examine what it is that you mean by "SOMETHING" and "THEIR SOLUTION"

1.If a woman has more than one baby, she is arrested, sentenced to up to five years in prison and is sterilized by a medical procedure, whether she wants it or not.

2. The father is imprisoned for up to five years, and for a second or third offense can be sentenced to life in prison.

3. A woman found to be pregnagnt with a second or third child also undergoes a MANDATORY abortion.

THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE NO QUARRELL WITH. Government sterilization, and forced abortion. Not so pretty as just describing it as "sonmething" and "their solution." Kind of like Hitlers solution to that nasty Jew problem.

Now lets say in 50 years, or sooner, someone in the united states decides that "SOMETHING' must be done to control the population. Will you have 'no quarrell' with our government doing the same thing? Oh wait, you sasy "stay out of my bedroom." And youre not a hypocrit? LMAO

And as far as saying catholics are a big part of the overpopulation problem, I dont see many catholics in China Or India (the largest populations). Who do you blame for the overpopulation isn these countries. It existed long befor GWB became president, so he's out, theres no catholics or christions there (actually a very minute % of the population), so their out. The answer is poverty. Poverty causes overpoplulation, not the other way around. I know that is probably a difficult concept for you to accept, but it is true.

For the record, since I have now been labeled a right wing extremeist; As I have stated numerous times in this post and others in the past:

I believe ALL sex work should be legal.
I beleive the U.S. should end all foriegn aid.
I believe GWB is one of the worst presidents in recent times.
I believe the oil companies have more control over GWB than the religious right could ever dream of.
I believe VOTING is the ultimate form of free speech.
I do not share the church's stance on birth control, or our governments use of GAG rules in sex ed.
I beleive all obscenity laws, are themselves obscene.
If that makes me a right wing loony then so be it.

And Charin, that photo of the place with alot of holes in the ground, as you describe it, maybe on your headstone their they will write, "Here lies Charin, He has no problem with the Chinese government solution to overpopulation."
When they plant you in that hole take a look around, those next to you will be turning over in their graves.

Their solution doesnt look so pretty when you look at the details. Lets hope their is never a "need" for our government to control our population. I'm sure Charin and his ilk will have no problem enforcing their solution, after all as Charin states, "Something had to be done."
It seems to me that Charin is one of those who believes "the end justifies the means."

But Charin does have the solution, eat more celery.

ALL VEGANS ARE DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Inmy poinion, your stance on this issue is OBSCENE.

And I'll ask again, how many cahtolics and christians are there in China and India? Kind of puts a little damper on that argument about catholics causing overpoplutation. But nice try.


And as far as your laughable statement about being TRICKED into watching violent and offensive commercial during your ballgame, what a load of hogwash. Just like you say about Max's material, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, THEN TURN IT OFF. You know full well those commercials are out there when you turn your t.v. on. Do you like the viagra commercials during baseball games. I think thy're hilarious, but it sure is unconmfortable when your ten year old daughter is watching isnt it? Kind of a cath 22 dont ya think? Or would you favor the governmetn doing "something" about it?


I WAS TRICKED INTO WATCHING OFFENSIVE COMMERCIALS ON TELEVISION.......NOW I HAVE HEARD IT ALL.



And this leads me to the final statement of yours quoted above...... "I do not believe I have advocated taking away rights, absent abuse or crime." And this is exactly what the Chinese do. Thety make it illegal to have more children, therfore when they punish you for it they are not abusing any rights, after all, by having those children you committed a criminal act.

Which correlates very well with the original topic here. By making obscenity illegal the government can punish its producers without violating any RIGHTS because it was a criminal act. I guess its ok for the chinese to do this , according to you, but not for our government to do it to us.(for the recored, i believe NEITHER govt. should have that right)

But then again, if you cant afford your rights, you have no right to them, or so the logic goes according to others posting here. Freedom and personal choice are a double edged sword. But the problems freedom, and freedom of choice bring upon us, are miniscule compared to the "solutions' you and you ILK would have thrust upon us.

And can anyone quote anything I have ever written which would lead somebody to believe I am a right wign christiam conservative. I am catholic but I only go to church about once or twice a year, depending totally on the number of friends of mine who have either died or are getting maried.
Putting such labels on someone ino order to minimize the value of their opinion is actually a propoganda technique called 'transference." And yes, I am very good at, like MNAY here, using subtle propoganda techniques ike this. But I admit it. Will you?

Kind of like saying, "Iwas in the military, and so was all of my family"..... its a way of 'transferring" the honorable aspects of military service to the "opinion" youre representing. You try to transfer the honor and respect of the military to your opinion. It just doesnt jive. WE ALL USE PROPOGANDA, WE JUST DONT ALL ADMIT IT. At least i do.