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#335690 - 06/05/08 03:40 PM
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at about 1:12 in that video where the reporter asks the guy why some people find the flag offensive and the hick says "ignorance," I had to rewind it to double check because I thought he said "they're n*****s"
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#335691 - 06/05/08 11:30 PM
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I love how the idiots that rally around this piece-of-shit rag are the ones telling the negroes to 'get over it', yet they can't fucking let go of a war in which their inbred ancestors got their asses handed to them.
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#335694 - 06/06/08 01:24 AM
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Slavery was well down the list of beefs Southerns had with Lincoln except amongst the very rich.
Except that the very rich ran the South. The whole Missouri Compromise and Kansas/Nebraska tensions were over slavery. So, while it was not the only issue, it was a crucial part of the secession and thus the war.
In my opinion, he South wasn't looking for a war. They were just looking to leave the Union. The North wouldn't let the South go.
Most of the North wasn't fighting over slavery at the time of secession, but Union. Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation well into the war and against much of his cabinet's advice. Many of the "copperheads" cited the change in the war's goals as their reason for opposing Lincoln and the war.
"My paramount object, is to save the Union, and not either destroy or save slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing the slaves, I would do it. If I could save the Union by freeing some and leaving others in slavery, I would do it. If I could save it by freeing all, I would do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because it helps save the Union" - a letter from Pres. Lincoln to Horace Greeley about a month before the proclamation.
Let us permit the statesmen of South Carolina to speak for themselves and reference their own justifications for seceding. A brief extract from the "Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union".
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The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: . "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due." . This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River. . The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States. . The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.
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#335695 - 06/06/08 05:07 AM
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Porn Jesus
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I love how the idiots that rally around this piece-of-shit rag are the ones telling the negroes to 'get over it', yet they can't fucking let go of a war in which their inbred ancestors got their asses handed to them.
Yet it's OK to prop up a German piece of shit racist and murderer. One who got his ass handed to him so badly, he had to cowardly take his own life? Oh hypocrite thy name is Tatty.
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#335696 - 06/06/08 06:09 AM
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Bush looks like a genius as commander-in-chief compared to Lincoln.
I'm not so sure about this one. While it's true that both Lincoln and Bush relied heavily upon advisers and commanders who were less-than-stellar until finally settling upon a General who seemed to know what they were doing (Grant for Lincoln, Petraeus for Bush,) there's a significant difference. In 1861, there was no true, professional army as we know it today. Most of the troops were undisciplined militia. And amongst the tiny Officer Corps, the cream of the crop fought for the Confederacy. Bush doesn't have that excuse. He has the best army in the world and still let a bunch of hacks fuck things up for years.
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#335698 - 06/06/08 09:10 AM
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I blame the politicians and Generals who ran things into the ground the first several years, not the troops themselves. I do believe that under Petraeus (and, to as lesser extent, Gates) things have gotten a lot better.
Even Carl Levin, perhaps the Iraq War's biggest critic in the Senate, acknowledges the job Petraeus has done in turning things around over there. Bush seems to have found his "Grant," but it's too late for him to save his reputation.
Edited to add: Even the best armies in the world can suffer due to the incompetence of their leadership: In World War I, the Schlieffen Plan woulda, coulda, shoulda worked (and almost did) but for its ham-handed implementation under von Moltke the Younger.
Edited by Jim B. (06/06/08 09:17 AM)
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#335699 - 06/06/08 05:08 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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Gotta also give credit to the poilu for their stout defense of Paris.
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#335700 - 06/06/08 05:32 PM
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Meh. I'd give more credit to the Parisian cabbies who drove them to the Marne.
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#335703 - 06/06/08 09:43 PM
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Everything I know about the South comes from reading Faulkner.
It's complicated...
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#335704 - 06/06/08 11:06 PM
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Can I get a Yeeeeee Hawwwww, y'all?
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#335705 - 06/06/08 11:40 PM
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I love how the idiots that rally around this piece-of-shit rag are the ones telling the negroes to 'get over it', yet they can't fucking let go of a war in which their inbred ancestors got their asses handed to them.
Yet it's OK to prop up a German piece of shit racist and murderer. One who got his ass handed to him so badly, he had to cowardly take his own life? Oh hypocrite thy name is Tatty.
JRV: I am no way trying to diminish what happened in the Civil War, but you must admit that many people who cling to it are often the same people that think black need to 'let it go' and that that flag has a very different meaning to many Americans on both sides of the race issue....
You're such a fucking dope, cit. Do you think I actually dig Hitler, you chump? Do you wanna know why the whole Adolph avatar came around? Because the first post I ever saw on this board was Zenman, clown. El Duce, Hitler, get it? Plus it's easy to change my avatar and keep it thematic. Are you a fan of Obama's pastor, knuclkehead? And you're making my point: A) like the south Germany LOST, thereby losing the right to wave their flag and B) You get moron apologists who wear both swastikas and rebel flags arguing that 'people misinterpret what it really means'. Oh yeah? is that why so many people ran it up the pole when King got shot?
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#335706 - 06/06/08 11:51 PM
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Tatty, ya nigger, argue that if Adolf would have won the gas that my s-4 inhales would not only be cheaper but the holocaust/9-11 costs would nullify this years stimulus burden. I'm leaving out the fucken delivery charge but don't think for a fucken minute I've forgotten about it.
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#335707 - 06/06/08 11:57 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Thanks for putting everything in perspective, Lou. It is appreciated...
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#335708 - 06/07/08 12:07 AM
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No problem petal.. It's who I am, It's what I do.
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#335709 - 06/07/08 12:41 AM
Re: Massive Battle Flag in Tampa
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Porn Jesus
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I'm referring to why the soldiers and such were willing to fight. They had no slaves and never would, but they knew a meddling damnyankee when they saw one.
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The flag is a little different since it so often waved by racists now: nobody in the South has negative views of the flag but it's used so much in negative ways, and bothers even reasonable blacks enough, that it's often not worth it.
Yeah. The battle flag was hijacked by racists and the segregation movement, and thus has racial connotations. The ancient symbol of the sun, the swastika, was ruined by the Nazis.
It's especially sad since the leader of the army who flew it, Robert E. Lee, had an admirable post-war racial record, and it's greatest hero [my opinion], Stonewall Jackson, had an unusually good racial record for his time before the war.
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#335710 - 06/07/08 07:56 AM
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Porn Jesus
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cit. Do you think I actually dig Hitler, you chump? Do you wanna know why the whole Adolph avatar came around? Because the first post I ever saw on this board was Zenman, clown. El Duce, Hitler, get it? Plus it's easy to change my avatar and keep it thematic. Are you a fan of Obama's pastor, knuclkehead? And you're making my point: A) like the south Germany LOST, thereby losing the right to wave their flag and B) You get moron apologists who wear both swastikas and rebel flags arguing that 'people misinterpret what it really means'. Oh yeah? is that why so many people ran it up the pole when King got shot?
The fact is they do have the right, see we have something down here called the first amendment to the constitution, which guarantees them that right, just like it guarantees that kid in Boston the right run his hard line islamic web page praising al queda, from his parents basement.
See just like someone being over pierced or overly tattted up, it's a good thing they wave these flags because you can spot right away those people aren't right in the head without even having to talk to them first.
It's good you also recognized the Rev though and put him in right company. Back at the hotel by 11:40, you party animal.
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