Here it is.

Trash it.

And remember to make comments which call it gay, lame, a waste of life and all the rest.


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Wed, Jan 30, 2008


old man river: hello

Care Less: Test, test, 1,2,3?

old man river: It does seem to be working, that is good.

Care Less: That sounds all right.

old man river: Hope the day finds you in good spirits

Care Less: More more than less.

old man river: good, sorry to hear about the banishment.

Care Less: Being banned is not that difficult to deal with. They are a strange bunch over there, that is all.

old man river: yes, they are

Not sure if your ban is temporary or permanent

If you want, I can find out

Care Less: Permanent, I would say. I will live on.

old man river: I am guessing so as well. Usually if it is temporary, the avatar appears in a jail with the release date listed

Care Less: What an image.

old man river: yep, though it shouldn't surprise given the overall tone of the place

I am just surprised that it is not something of a sexual nature

Care Less: Sure.

old man river: I know you said that eleventh moon was just a throwaway name but it still intrigues me nonetheless

Care Less: It does?

old man river: idiosyncratic

Care Less: How so?

old man river: if you peruse the list of users at xpt (and you still can I believe), you will see that most are trite

Big Dick 69

Pussylover

Faggot H8ter

Care Less: All the good important matters.

old man river: Of course, so people immediately know who you are, what you stand for and what you want your world to look like

Care Less: A telling name indeed.

old man river: there is something to be said for clarity, I guess. Yours, on the other hand, suggests a certain ambiguity

In that it suggests mythology or something potentially mythical

religious or spiritual

and also a concept present in a variety of religions and cultures

Needless to say, the porn denizens do not appreciate such concepts

What are you composing?

Care Less: I someow doiubt that. Pornography is just a burdened form of entertainment, a good. Many people get entertained by it - those having a life beyond what they consume included. [Interruption: If you have any ability to enjoy various forms of electronically generated music, head ove to somafm.com. "Groove Salad" sounds good to me right now.]

old man river: I checked it out previously. I saw the link you posted in the Music thread. Did not have enough time to explore but will when I have time later tonight.

Care Less: They play good stuff there. No commercial breaks.

old man river: ok will click on the link, hope this does not disconnect the chat

Having some delay and difficulty getting it to play

For some reason, I thought you would enjoy the Sisters of Mercy

Care Less: I enjoy a lot, but that formation is unknown to me.

old man river: That formation?

um okay

Care Less: That. group, if you prefer.

old man river: I have no preferences, just curious at your choice of words

Care Less: Why exactly?

old man river: Well it is not common

The connotation is discordant

formation, to me, suggests structure or regimentation

rock and roll suggests otherwise

Care Less: Understood abstractly, it makes sense to me.

old man river: it makes sense to me as well

it just requires a modulation of frequency

Care Less: That, on the other hand...

old man river: yes?

Care Less: ...lets me picture technological equipment.

old man river: ahh, of course and i use it to suggest an active listening process

or "Prick up your ears" as jthe english would say

Care Less: The English, they are a funny people?

old man river: It depends on who you ask. The Irish would probably say no. Irish catholics, that is

Care Less: That topic bored me in school already.

old man river: most topics in school are boring

Care Less: Definitely.

old man river: this is not helped by the manner in which they are taught

Care Less: Scholastic knowledge is mediated strangely.

old man river: a melange of politics, religion and everything else that doesn't belong in the stew

Care Less: The stew is foul, rotten even.

old man river: I've always thought of prototypical cafeteria food as appropriately symbolic

food for the body, food for the mind

soylent green

Care Less: A classic.

old man river: I wonder if Heston consumed any of the stuff, hence his degeneration into NRA firebrand

Care Less: Maybe it just was the money.

old man river: maybe it was the disappearance of decent roles

or the allocation to other older performers

Care Less: Possibly.

old man river: he needed a stage and an audience

many actors do

Care Less: I do not blame them.

old man river: why is that

Care Less: They might feel underachieving otherwise.

old man river: Maybe

then again, he appears to actually believe what he says

However, given his age, he might not know or remember what he says

Care Less: Or he indeed is a fervant believer. For the cause.

old man river: they are strangely quiet this year

at least on the various campaign trails

Care Less: Elections are funny matters.

old man river: I find it difficult to believe that no one on the far Right has suggested that arming oneself is the most effective defense against terrorism

Instead of Willie Horton, you could use clips from 24

to demonstrate the usefulness of torture

the need for personal firearms

Care Less: Primetime television has its amusing moments, when government policy finds its way into the scripts.

old man river: and it sometimes isn't an accident

Care Less: Probably not.

old man river: Then again, I often find that Fox news (cable) is among the more amusing comedies

Care Less: Due to their famed impartial spirit?

old man river: ha ha ha

fair and balanced

attempting to be serious is occasionally more humorous than attempting to be funny

Care Less: In case of their lost cause at least.

old man river: And just like xpt expressed a longing for you to be Sasha Grey, they are longing for Hillary Clinton to be the next president

Care Less: Do you think the motives differ?

old man river: not significantly

Care Less: PILF?

old man river: ha ha ha

Now would the P stand for president or performer?

Care Less: According to what you wrote that would be an insignificant detail.

old man river: well they seem to inhabit similar places in the male mind

I am unsure given my lack of insider status LOL

I am not affiliated with the business in any way

Nor am I an avid consumer

But both seem to strike a chord amongst the same demographic

and it isn't a good chord it would appear

Care Less: Wanting to have sex, if that is what is meant, with Sasha Grey or Hillary Clinton is somehow understandable. It gets strange where it is desired at the same time, thus simultaneously, I think.

old man river: Umm no but that is an interesting take on the subject

I was referring to men reacting similarly to women with intellectual aspirations

BTW, it is difficult to detect your inferences at times so please pardon me if I misconstrue your point

Care Less: How is that?

old man river: Well, you can be mildly obtuse. And I often discern sarcasm but as I don't know you at all nor am I accustomed to your individual sense of humor, I may interpret your statements differently than how you intended them to be understood

Care Less: Do you care to elaborate on the obtuse parts?

old man river: Not if it offends you

just kidding

Maybe tangential would be more accurate

Care Less: I see.

old man river: uh oh

Care Less: "Uh oh"?

old man river: I would prefer not to anger if that doesn't sound too weak and spineless, though it probably does

by tangential, I meant that your responses can sometimes diverge in nature and tone from what I have said just before

by obtuse, I meant that your responses can be cryptic, maybe unintentionally so, and that various meanings can be delineated

Care Less: I understand.

old man river: it also doesn't help that I am typing very quickly while you may not be so prolific. Then again, that may be due to the fact that you are concise and economical with your comments while I splatter the room

Care Less: I try to get my spelling right.

old man river: and for that you are to be commended. more people should do so in my opinion LOL

If I may be so bold as to drastically change subjects ...

Care Less: Do so.

old man river: Could you please tell me what is so inflammatory about Sasha Grey? Is it just some perceived intellectualism

I must confess that other than the link you sent, I am not familiar with her work

Care Less: Confessional intentions? I will do so in kind: She does a lot of the allegedly kinky stuff, has a - as I wrote several times on XPT - contrivedly vocal performance and went to some panel and The Tyra Banks Show. Not fitting into the cliché of dumb fuck meat entirely might evoke anger in the audience.

old man river: Confessional Intentions? That sounds like some late night cable movie starring Shannon Tweed.

I have seen pictures on the internet

but not her movies

Care Less: Of Shannon Tweed, whoever that is, or of Sashy Grey?

old man river: shannon tweed, sorry about that

obscure cultural reference I guess

anyway, what I meant earlier is that she seems to have evoked a particularly strong response from the xpt crowd

I clicked on the link for attention whore and that was equally vitriolic

Dumb fuck meat sounds like a porno title, please tell me it is not

Care Less: I doubt it. MaxHardcore called one of his part-time-co-workers so, if I am correct.

old man river: And because of your posts, people think it is you. Okay. I repeated the sentiment based on your responses to the allegations, if that is the right term

Care Less: Delusional trolling of tormented minds maybe.

old man river: Versus premeditated trolling of curious minds ...

Care Less: Exactly.

old man river: and what conclusions, if any, did you come to?

Care Less: So far it just seems that Sasha Grey has a solid fanbase.

old man river: and that is a good thing I presume

Care Less: For her, yes.

old man river: even if this fanbase consists of anti-intellectual trogolodytes ...

Care Less: She is probably in it for the money. Money is good.

old man river: or so they say

this is where the term whore becomes commonplace

though some would embrace this term

rather than consider it pejorative

Where do you fit in all of this?

Care Less: Nowhere, really. But that an online presence of a forum can work as a screen is interesting to me.

old man river: a screen for what? and for whom?

Care Less: A screen for the troll projecting what is most close at hand in his/her/its mind.

old man river: oh my

Care Less: Keep going.

old man river: unsure how to proceed in all honesty

Care Less: Write about it.

old man river: an impulse, quickly suppressed

or repressed, never can remember the difference

would it be possible to change the subject?

Care Less: That is what I would have suggested next.

old man river: i am uncomfortable with my thoughts at the moment

Care Less: Why? Are they too private to mention?

old man river: not necessarily

Care Less: Then go ahead.

old man river: but they place me with those i disassociate from

i am wondering about your true nature

and your identity

I would rather not

Care Less: Why?

old man river: it places me in a categorizable position

and you in clear power

Care Less: How would that work?

old man river: you have what I want

and I have no way of taking it from you

Care Less: What is it you want?

old man river: good question

the simple and superficial answer is your identity

but that is not exactly the truth

in that my interest is predicated on the possibility that you could be sasha grey

if you are someone else, someone obscure, or even a 77 yo man, your identity is meaningless to me

or at least carries much less significance

and that makes me a fanboy or is it fanboi or whatever the term may be

more importantly, it makes me one of them

one who is possibly subject to your trolling

and thus in a position of weakness

Care Less: Strange. What would you think if I in fact were Sasha Grey?

old man river: i would not think, that is the problem

Care Less: Do you desire her? Is that too personal a question to ask?

old man river: i am afraid that my answer would be yes, I am afraid of my answer actually

Care Less: Why?

old man river: i prefer to be in control of myself, of my feelings to a large extent

i prefer not to cede this to others as I have to you somewhat

Care Less: While I do not know the validity of the following, I will make an assumption: You seem to have some affection towards Sasha Grey, as she is sexually desirable for you and you seem to be uncomfortable with this. Trust your drive.

old man river: your assumption is valid

Care Less: So when asking yourself why you are afraid that this is he case, what comes to mind besides the topic of control?

old man river: control in two areas. the first being me relative to you. the second being within myself. That is, maintaining some semblance of control over my impulses/urges

it is the latter that frightens me more

you are somewhere else, communicating via wires. I am here with myself, there is no possiblity of avoidance

Care Less: Understandable. If you desire a young woman, then this seems all right to me. What about you?

old man river: i concur

Care Less: Then you should not be afraid of anything.

old man river: You are right, I should not. But I am ...

Care Less: Strange obscurity?

old man river: I don't know if your message was truncated or not

strange obscurity is all I see

Care Less: That is all I wrote.

old man river: what do you mean by that

Care Less: The paradox of your being confident and afraid simultaneously, not knowing the cause and trying to motivate you to clarify in order to understand better.

old man river: i am confident?

just noticing that I am not using upper case as much

Care Less: Confident with desiring a young woman sexually.

old man river: Christ you cut to the bone

There are several factors behind this

I would rather not get into them at this time

Care Less: Understandable. I did not intend to be too curious and wanted to be concise and specific.

old man river: No need to apologize for curiousity, I am more than happy to discuss it when my nerves settle

Care Less: You are still nervous then?

old man river: yes

I would like to know

Care Less: What would you like to know?

old man river: Your earlier implication was that you are Sasha Grey...

Care Less: You would like to know whether I am her?

old man river: yes

Care Less: What do you think?

old man river: I believe so

Care Less: Why?

old man river: You implied this earlier

Care Less: You wrote that that would put you into the same corner as the denying XPT fanbase.

old man river: that is correct, which is why I stated that i was uncomfortable with my thoughts at the moment

but they are there

and in acknowledging them, recognized a painful truth about myself

Care Less: Further above, you stated your lack of insider status regarding the male mind. Does that painful truth might have anything to do with that or even derive from ther? Curious and nosy I am.

old man river: I'm sorry, I meant lack of insider status regarding the industry. The male mind I am familiar with. Curious and nosy you are

Care Less: Indeed.

old man river: I am curious and nosy myself

and awaiting an answer

Care Less: What is it you would ask Sasha Grey if I was her?

old man river: I would ask why she is so evasive when asked questions about her identity

Care Less: Maybe she would point out your being curious and nosy.

old man river: but that has already been acknowledged ...

Care Less: And you would like to know for sure now, once and for all, I presume. But what would it change in this chat, considering if I was her I possibly would just make something up, maintaining a personal life that is private and apart from the screen name, the industry?

old man river: I am aware of that possibility.

Care Less: And still awaiting an answer?

old man river: yes

Care Less: I am not her.

old man river: I will take you at your word

Care Less: You should.

old man river: so then who are you? LOL

Care Less: Mind Ltd., eleventh_moon, did you forget?

old man river: touche

Care Less: Touché?

old man river: clever response

Care Less: I actually did not know what you meant writing touché.

old man river: i know

I shall reciprocate and go even further

I am a psychiatrist. As I type this, I am sitting in my office overlooking Los Angeles. There are no more clients and my staff have long since returned home

I hope this clarifies some of my earlier statements or puts them into perspective

Care Less: Not exactly, as I do not see any correlation between what you wrote and what you say your profession is.

old man river: Ok, I hope you have time since this will be lengthy

Care Less: Sure.

old man river: If I use clinical terms which require definition, feel free to ask

Care Less: I will.

old man river: In this profession, inhibition of personal desire is paramount. One could argue that psychiatrists are naturally predisposed to this behavior which is then cultivated through training

The dominance of the Superego and Ego over the ID

Care Less: The ID?

old man river: The Id is one's subconcious urges and impulses. Freud postulated that this took the form of the twin drives of sex and aggression and interpreted dreams along those lines

Well he interpreted many things along those lines.

The ego is the defense mechanism which allows us to cope with inner anxiety which results from the clash between the id and the superego

Superego is the conscience to put it in layman's terms

It dictates what is right and moral and suppressed the ID.

Needless to say, the ID and the Superego are in constant conflict on a daily basis.

So much of what we want, we cannot have or even pursue for a variety of reasons, be they legal, financial, social, religious or moral

I want this candy bar but I know it is bad for me

I want to steal this money but that is a sin

I want to drive faster than the speed limit but that is illegal

How those conflicts are resolved is up to the ego

Those with Mature or Advanced defense mechanisms, which is the majority of people, do so with minimal disruption to their lives.

Those without, end up seeing me

Well, that is not entirely accurate as I have chosen a different career parth so I no longer practice therapy or analysis

Examples of people without adequate defense mechanisms are sociopaths

Go to any jail and you will find someone who was unable to adequately reconcile the two. Or they simply lacked a superego.

Or their defense mechanisms were primitive.

Still there?

Care Less: Yes.

old man river: good

Examples of Primitive mechanisms include acting out.

In the case of a sociopath, for example, feeling anger towards someone else leads to an act of violence

If someone cuts me off in traffic, I may be upset, may swear but that is usually it.

I am angry. My urge is to reciprocate the behavior or worse

My superego says it is wrong to do so

Or that it is illegal

Or that it could lead to more violence and me getting shot

Basically it says no

Now there is conflict because I am angry and there is inner conflict between these two parts.

The ego then regulates this to discharge the inner anxiety

and hopefully in a way that is acceptable

So in my case, I may swear.

A more primitive defense, as stated before, is acting out. Road rage in many cases.

And by doing so, you have successfully discharged the that same anxiety.

I hope this made sense

Care Less: More more than less.

old man river: I like that phrase, by the way

Care Less: A creation of my own.

old man river: We should all create phrases of our own

Anyway, another example would be the borderling

Oops, make that borderline

The Porn industry, and the entertainment industry overall, is inundated with them

Care Less: A slip and an icon? And do you tend to look around XPT for professional reasons as well?

old man river: A slip and an icon? Not exactly. It has been a long day. I have gotten 15 hours of sleep total over the past three days. I had to visit a patient who wanted to kill me and I am typing in the dark in my office.

type faster

seriously

Care Less: That explains it adequately. So, does filtering XPT stimulate you professionally? And why the rush?

old man river: This is how I normally type sorry

Yes, xpt serves that purpose to a certain extent. I appreciate some of the humor. Fatman is cool in my book.

As far as I am concerned, I am chatting with Sasha Grey

hahaha

well not her exactly

that is an artistic persona

but there is a real person behind the creation

her name has been bandied about the Net to her consternation

and if you are her, fine

if not, fine

Care Less: The latter.

old man river: of course

Like I said earlier, I take you at your word

I do believe you are female

and that you are young

Care Less: Where does this assumption stem from?

old man river: clinical experience

I do this for a living

I also do this for my own intellectual stimulation, edification and entertainment

I never stop

It can be a problem for those around me

Care Less: How so?

old man river: It is how I process the world

Care Less: Exclusively?

old man river: They would rather not think all the time

if at all

no

not exclusively

alcohol and pot change the equation

as does sex

or at least an orgasm

Which is where you come in, no pun intended

Care Less: Please elaborate.

old man river: My ego is highly developed. That is often the case for psychiatrists.

So when my defenses are breached, that is disconcerting to say the least

I am fine now and I do not anticipate it happening again

Care Less: You do not anticipate what happening again?

old man river: My defenses being breached

Being in a vulnerable or weak position

Care Less: Were your defenses breached, you in a vulnerable position during this chat?

old man river: It appears that you are asking this question with a straight face ...

so I will answer it truthfully

yes, of coure

I stated so specifically

Care Less: Where you considered the possibility of me being a young desirable woman.

old man river: No, Sasha Grey, there is a difference, apparently

Care Less: Where you considered the possibility of me being the young desirable woman acting as the persona Sasha Grey then?

old man river: no, sasha grey

Care Less: Please explain.

old man river: I am not sure what the confusion is over

I will say this

I work with young desirable woman

less now than before

they have hit on me

OOOPS that sounds like Borat

Care Less: You work with a desirable woman or with several desirable women. I guess the letter. Spelling is crucial here.

old man river: it varies

right now, just a few

some are colleagues

some are clients

Care Less: As it is in my last entry, but whatever.

old man river: So I work with them, great.

They hit on me, great

I do not reciprocate

My superego says no to my id and the ego discharges the anxiety

easy enough

In your case, however, I was not quite prepared and had my guard down

To be more specific, I enjoyed our banter on the boards.

There was also the sophomoric thrill of flirting you in an odd way in front of everyone.

I did not really consider the thought of your identity until later.

But even then, I could easily compartmentalize and think of you as this persona

The difference now is that I suddenly felt that I was talking to Marina Ann Hantzis

Care Less: Who would be who?

old man river: Apparently that is her real name

I am not sure of the spelling, I just googled it

Care Less: But you do not think so now?

old man river: I am not going to allow myself to pursue that idea.

But nice try anyway

Care Less: I did not try anything. I wanted to know if your drive wanted to get your attention again.

old man river: It ALWAYS wants to get my attention.

Your Id does not take a vacation

This is a constant process

Care Less: I wanted to know if it succeeded.

old man river: please don't

Care Less: All right. I will stop.

old man river: I may not be as strong as I would like to be ...

Care Less: Your I being your regulative element.

old man river: no my ego does that

and there is such a thing as projection

in that what I want to be

I think actually is

I have no proof that you could have been sasha grey

but since I wanted it to be true, I thought it to be true

Think WMDs in Iraq

Care Less: Perception-based definitions of reality are not mediated propaganda, I guess.

old man river: To answer your earlier question, if you were Sasha Grey, I would ask if I could speak to you as Marina. And I say that for professional as much as for personal reasons ...

Care Less: Would you consider the possibility of Sasha Grey being more than a screen persona, thus some form of added seperate entity in her mind completely off course or would that rather feed your professional and personal interest?

old man river: I consider Sasha Grey to be more than a screen persona, that should be abundantly clear with half a brain. Artistic personas as such are not crafted from nothing. They are expressions of someone's vision and thus say something about the creator. I think this is what you were asking.

oops that did not come out right, sorry

by added separate entity, are you referring to multiple personality disorder

Care Less: But is it not even more interestin if it "did not come out right", less filtered? And yes, that is what I alluded to.

old man river: I am sorry but which one are you alluding to

feel free to answer that question LOL

Ok then

I will use this opportunity to get my jacket on and clean up around here.

I do need to go home eventually. I have a dog and a cat to feed and provide with a modicum of attention

And i need to shower.

If you want, we can resume this conversation in an hour or so.

or tomorrow night

Care Less: In an hour sounds good. Meanwhile, water the cat and dog, then pet the plants.

old man river: hahaha

ok will do

talk to you later umm trying to think of a name for you

mindltd? mp

no

Eleventh moon?

No

for lack of alternatives, I should call you ...

Care Less: What about your personal Sasha Grey of mind?

Or in mind.

old man river: Ok, talk to you later Sasha Grey in mind

type faster dammit, I want to go home and eat dinner LOL

Care Less: Until then. But how does this work with logging off and such?

old man river: just hit the x in the right hand corner

yeesh and I thought I was a Luddite when it came to technology

Care Less: That is no way to treat a lady.

old man river: so you acknowledge that you are female, ok this is progress ...

Care Less: Progress in what? Is this some form of online interrogation?

old man river: I believe it is, but who is really questioning and who is really answering ...

Care Less: And who wants to know?

old man river: I think we both do ...

Care Less: Let us think about this further after the plants got some haptic attention.

old man river: ha ha ha

but my pets are not getting a tantric component from me

Care Less: Ask them from time to time. As long as it is consensual...

old man river: it is never consensual, at least according to Dan Savage

Care Less: I will look him up.

old man river: And would this be some of the "kinky" things that Sasha Grey did?

Look up Savage Love, I can't believe you haven't heard of him ..

Care Less: I actually did not. Bestiality, as they call it, is not part of Sasha Grey´s kink, according to her on-screen time on The Tyra Banks Show.

At least I think so.

old man river: as long as you are typing, I cannot bring myself to leave this computer

as Englebert Humperdinck would say "Release Me and let Me go" Yeah I am quoting englebert humperdinck

at least i think so

love it

are you at a computer or are you typing this out on a Blackberry

Care Less: Should I stop in order to let your drive not rendering you anti-social, I mean, your pets are at stake here.

old man river: yes, that would be kind and considerate of you Sasha Grey in my mind

Care Less: I will do that now. Be gentle with the consensuality though.

old man river: i shall use plenty of lube ...

Care Less: Good boy.

old man river: Shall I hit the x or would like the honor

Care Less: That formulated strangely and thus really inappropriate as a potential last sentence.

"is" is missing


[Here is a pause of about an hour.]


old man river: Ok I am back and ready for round two

Care Less: You realize this no boxing match?

old man river: yes I do

I am not a fighter by nature

even when someone is trying to kill me

Care Less: Like that one patient.

old man river: several actually

it is an occupational hazard

just this afternoon, I drove out to Lawndale to inject a patient who had been threatening to kill me for the past week

(I am presuming you know about Lawndale)

Care Less: You presume incorrectly. With what did you inject him?

old man river: Haloperidol Decanoate

Care Less: What does it do?

old man river: It is an long-lasting antipsychotic

Care Less: Fun for a whole week?

old man river: a month

it is suspended in a sesame oil based solution which is stored in fat and then slowly released into the bloodstream

over the course of a month

Care Less: I see. Although your positions on pharmaceuticals and Scientology might be really interesting, honestly, do you have anything else to write about?

old man river: anything else?

Care Less: A topic besides the two complexes.

old man river: of course, I will follow your lead

Care Less: Do you think Sasha Grey likes to dominate her sex partners privately?

old man river: hahaha

I think it depends on the partner

and it depends on the sex

Care Less: Would you like to be dominated by her that way?

old man river: I think I already have ...

Care Less: Syntax?

old man river: I believe that i have been dominated by her sexually ...

Care Less: I mean the haptic component.

old man river: Well I have perused some of her pictures and on film, she seems to be dominated

In her private life, I can imagine the opposite

I can be submissive

yes, I would like to explore that with her

Care Less: You can imagine the opposite due to your being able to be submissive?

old man river: No, I can imagine her private life is the opposite of her public persona.

As much as her performances are just that, I can also see them as an expression or presentation of an artistic persona

and that could also reflect certain fantasies

Care Less: Regarding my last question: No correlation?

old man river: oh, interesting

quite possible

i did not think of it as a projection on my part but you are probably correct

Care Less: Not everything is a projection.

You can see it differently as well.

old man river: true

Care Less: Cause and effect might be interchangeable.

old man river: yes, but when I said I can be submissive, i meant to say that i usually am

But now that i am indulging myself, yes I would definitely like to be dominated by her

But my definition of domination is quite tame

Care Less: No Gag Factor in your bedroom then.

old man river: Gag Factor? Probably not LOL

Care Less: Throating, much saliva.

old man river: Oh I am not opposed to that

Does Sasha practice Gag Factoring?

Care Less: Look her up on iafd.com for all your future needs.

old man river: do you practice gag factoring?

or do I need to look at iafd.com for that as well

Care Less: I do not. I do not even know whether I was right in describing it.

old man river: do you like to dominate

Care Less: Not really.

old man river: do you like to be dominated

Care Less: Not especially.

old man river: closer to my tastes i see

Care Less: Why would that be of importance?

old man river: I am nosy and curious ...

Care Less: Definitely.

old man river: as are you

Care Less: So, pet or plant love?

old man river: Fed both the dog and cat and they are busy munching away

maybe i should get a rabbit LOL

Care Less: They come indifferent sizes for a tight fit, I hear.

The space bar failed me miserably.

old man river: yeah, completely screwed up your joke

I am a fur man anyway

cute fuzzy wabbit fur

Care Less: Bunny rabbit, Bobby Peru, Wild At Heart?

What is a wabbit?

old man river: Elmer Fudd

Care Less: Elmer Fudd?

old man river: Bugs Bunny - Kill da wabbit! Kill da wabbit!

Care Less: I see.

old man river: Sorry, another obscure reference

I will confine them to porn in the future

Care Less: You do not have to.

But who or what is Elmer Fudd?

old man river: He is the man who was always after Bugs Bunny. He spoke with a funny accent and was unable to pronounce the letter r

he used w instead

Care Less: Cartoons can be really awful.

old man river: yes they can

but not when rabbits are involved. Bugs always beat Elmer. He wore flannel

itchy flannel it seemed

predated grunge by decades

So if you were to meet sasha grey, what would you say to her

or ceara lynch for that matter

Care Less: Ceara Lynch looks quite attractive body-wise. Her face, too, but on some photo on XPT she looked not that good.

Saying anything was not my plan.

old man river: I haven't seen a bad photos of her

and what was your plan?

Care Less: One stood out.

old man river: you should tell her that

Care Less: I did not have one.

old man river: I hope I am not talking to some undercover cop working with Dateline Investigative Reports

Care Less: I am Chris Hansen´s secretary.

old man river: well as long as you are not Chris Hansen, that is cool

creepy fucker

Care Less: Oh, would you like me to join in and call you names now? After all, you said you tend be rather submissive by default.

old man river: sure

but i meant creepy fucker to be hansen not you

Care Less: I see. Or: Good ejection.

old man river: that sounds like a porn term

current slang for a money shot

Care Less: Jets.

old man river: oh that makes complete sense

Care Less: More more than less?

old man river: exactly

so if you are jets, can I be sharks

reference to West Side Story - Leonard Bernstein

sorry

Care Less: Let it out.

old man river: i am trying, believe me, i am trying

Care Less: The drive again?

old man river: i am officially lost now

Do you know Holly Randall?

Care Less: I never had sex with her.

old man river: Well, you should and then pass along all the details so I can live vicariously through you

I want to know what it is like to be Luke Ford

Care Less: Levitra and honey in the fridge next to the bed?

old man river: Oh I am a Cialis man all the way. The use a football in their ads you know. Now that is a product that i am going to buy

I prefer Mayo to honey

Care Less: Cialis?

old man river: same thing as levitra and viagra

but with an ad where a guy throws a football through a hanging tire

they run it during football games

Care Less: Not exactly, chemically almost. Patents, I assume.

old man river: of course

but the important thing is that there is a football thrown through a hanging tire in their ads

Care Less: Meeting, going home, homerun?

old man river: now that is obtuse. I know it is late and I am sleepy but that is obtuse. Like mid-90's Godard obtuse

And I have no idea Cialis

In all honesty, I have never used them

Not that I am opposed to them

but I am not anywhere near that age

and stay in good shape

Care Less: Sure. Noone buys the kinky stuff.

old man river: they do all the time, I peruse the stores from time to time

If i need it, trust me I will use it

Care Less: The advertisement seems obtuse indeed. I just tried to visualize what you described.

old man river: Oh the ad is anything but obtuse. It features this middle aged guy throwing a football through a tire. The symbolism is difficult to miss.

Care Less: Geniuses at work in the concept phase?

old man river: I would say so. Probably the same people who thought that having blondes in bikinis would sell beer

Care Less: They do not have to, they are blonde anyway.

old man river: do not have to what

i presume wear bikinis

Care Less: Sell or promote to buy. Bikinis are obsolete for sure.

old man river: to be replaced by_______________

Care Less: Who signs the not so dotted line?

old man river: it is a fill in the blank but i can see how easy it is to mistake the two

next time i will try multiple choice

Care Less: So. To be replaced by nothingness.

old man river: well they are blondes right? This is just the next step i guess

remove everything except the breasts

and you can take those out too and replace them with unadorned silicone sacs

Care Less: Really?

old man river: i think that is what sasha grey would suggest

Brechtian theater brought to the Advertising World

Care Less: Well. Blondes like to suck and fuck and swallow.

old man river: Bertolt Brecht reference, sorry

Are you blonde?

don't answer that

Care Less: To keep the fantasy alive? Why that?

old man river: it was a crude comment on my part

but i can't go back and edit or erase once posted

oh wait, you're the one who said suck fuck and swallow



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all i said was blondes

Care Less: It is common knowledge that blondes like to suck and fuck and swallow, that is all.

old man river: as compared to other hair colors? I never knew that.

Okay then, feel free to answer my question then

Can you tell that I am getting a little sleepy?

Care Less: Horny I would have assumed.

old man river: much hornier before

Care Less: You were much hornier before or are much hornier than before?

old man river: much hornier before

I was also more articulate

we have been chatting for over 5 hours

Care Less: Matters occur.

old man river: Is that the new David Sedaris novel?

Care Less: I am at no liberty to disclose specific information at this time.

old man river: what are you at liberty to disclose?

Care Less: Nothing. He would sue me pennyless.

old man river: AHA! So you are saying that you have pennies! Interesting, the plot thickens ...

Care Less: It could also be an allusion to a possible relationship with Penny Flame.

old man river: Penny Flame? Oh great, now my head is hurting

Is this a famous performer?

Care Less: Breasts from far out there.

old man river: Far out there? Like space? Cool. So she does the sci-fi porn,does she?

Care Less: No. She is a pot head. Check her out at pornstarbook.com/main.shtml, scrolling down to the alphabetic list.

old man river: will do later. Is that a niche as well, pot porn? I can't imagine a male perfomer being able to take care of business while high

I presume it is safe to say the you are not Penny Flame

Care Less: Congratulations.

old man river: 1 down, 999,999 to go

sorry for being so trite

and focused

I should playing the game

but damn a 5 1/2 hour chat

and I am posting at higher clip, no pun intended

and I do need to get up early tomorrow

Care Less: Poetry coming up?

old man river: Giving a lecture on obstructive sleep apnea, then drive out across so cal to give two more injections, check out a new referral who's in an inpatient psych ward, then a family meeting, and if there is time left over, search Long Beach skid row for a missing client who just came out of a comablah blah blah

the guy was near brain death, all of a sudden he regains consciousness and then is discharged soon after

but not psychiatrically stable,

great fucking job there

Care Less: The envy imbues me.

old man river: i do love what i do but sometimes burns me out

oh and while i am at the hospital, i have to check in on another client who tried to kill me

while i am still young if you don't mind

Care Less: But what do you do exactly? Altering minds chemically and psychologically? Your fanbase, as opposed to Sasha Grey´s, seems to be spread thin is some instances.

old man river: good question, what do I do.

save lives supposedly

Care Less: Sure.

old man river: spread thin is more accurate than you imagine

Care Less: How so?

old man river: I would rather talk about you than me

Care Less: How predictable.

old man river: go figure

Care Less: Figure what?

old man river: before i say anything rude, I should probably retire for the night

Care Less: Bad idea. What would it be that could be rude?

old man river: the same old questions about you

but phrased in a more vulgar fashion

Care Less: Make an example, please.

old man river: i would rather not offend you

Care Less: I will not be offended, I assure you that. Go ahead.

old man river: Please tell me your name LOL

Care Less: I am still suspicious.

old man river: of what

Care Less: What type of questions you would pose and why thea might be offensive.

old man river: I just posed a question!

It is offensive simply because it lacks all tact and courtesy

If you were thinking sexually offensive, I don't think I am capable of that

Care Less: I thought your asking my name was meant as a joke and the good suff is still waiting to be freed on your end.

old man river: no, the question was serious but I don't expect you to answer it though I hope you will

in fact, my hope is the joke

Care Less: I see. I will not answer that question. What would be another potentially offensive question?

old man river: More personal questions

Gender

Age

things of that nature

Care Less: You already seem confident in assuming I am female and young due to your deductive capabilities.

old man river: how have you managed to retain your faculties

and how have you managed to regain your previous tone

or did the nature of my questions push you back

it is almost 2 am

do you not sleep or eat

vocation of some sort

if you so desire, we can flip the script and you may ask me questions

I will either answer truthfully or decline to respond, but I will not lie

Care Less: Elaborate on the forst two questions for now, then go into further detail about the rest of them.

old man river: Do you mean my questions to you or your questions to me

Care Less: The ones you posed.

old man river: OK, well your tone has returned to a more inquisitive, almost detached tone that you had adopted earlier. After a while, especially near the end of our first chat and the beginning of this one, it became more playful and suggestive.

Care Less: Which would lead you to believe what?

old man river: Well you are doing it right now

You are offended

scared

not sure

Care Less: Being inquisitive?

old man river: and you are probing me

in a non-sexual manner, of course

Care Less: At least.

old man river: Please remember that these are questions posed to you

Care Less: The first question could use some more shape.

old man river: And I am in no condition to provide it. My though process is slowed. I appreciate chatting with you but I have to check out now.

Care Less: I see.

old man river: I would love to resume tomorrow evening, at your discretion of course

Care Less: That might be entertaining. Shape some.

old man river: good night Sasha Grey in my mind

Care Less: Bye.