I had quite an extensive chat correspondence with XPT poster old man river.

Extensive: Chats of several hours in one sitting.

Some interesting, some boring exchanges about almost anything.

At the end, old man river wanted to have sex with me.

At least. Fucking had been the lesser option.

The transcripts are stored, unused.


I thought about posting the material for some time now, but never was bored enough to do it. Furthermore, I did not know whether there would be any entertainment value in it for enough of an audience to justify scanning the stuff for the better parts.


So now I would like to propose te following to you:

Post in this thread to signal, pretend to have, or show a lack of interest in what is described above.

It could help if you describe your motivation and interest regarding a specific topic, as it might have been covered.

Not posting here, with interest or lack thereof, will probably let the stuff stay on some hard disk to be forgotten.

It is up to you, people.

I'd say: bring it on.

I suspected a lack of interest.

The following private message may encourage some to signal curiosity:

"Subject: Reply

From: old man river

Any particular reason behind this?
Other than boredom?
As you can imagine, I would prefer that our chats remain private ..."

I would not care to filter hundreds of lines of chat transcripts just for freestylah and would rather mail them to him, should he want them.

how low do you have to be to post private chats?

Indifferent.

desperate

Indifferent.

um, let me guess, you're going to reply "indifferent" again. whatevs.

Post ours, Gigi. I lost them.

Not really.

Welcome to The Cage on XPT, where people care and try to make a difference.

You seem more concerned than usual, which could mean that you actually care about what you typed up - privacy is to be kept - or that your general mode of operation around here is an act. Or both.

i don't save any of that stuff in case mr. gigi starts wondering what i do on the computer all day. once he found a picture of kurt lockwood with a penis in his mouth in my double-secret picture file, and i had a LOT of explaining to do!

Did you tell your hubby you were trying to photoshop his head onto Kurt's body?

old man river is one of those names i see with enough frequency to remember, but i couldn't tell you the first fucking thing about anything he's ever said. indifference-inspiring and generic, but why the hell not drag him around troy a few times and leave him carrion if you've got the goods. it's a slow day.

:sigh:

Just how did you get to chat with a guy who, IIRC, has posted maybe twice in the past year?

FWIW, I'm with Gigi and H2C, especially if he asked you to keep them to yourself.

Fuck all this hypocritical blah blah blah. I'm with freestylah and jamesn: Spill the beans!

Hypocrisy is really entertaining.

I will edit something and report back soon.

Up to a certain point in time he - or whatever "his" gender - believed it, though that was not why I chatted with old man river, as the topic became more relevant later and surprised me somewhat.

So, Jim B., what does it tell about me, exactly?

That was not new to me.

I did not really intentd to change the minds of the stubborn after some time passed.

oh
so you pretend to be a girl online
?
wow
i suddenly dont feel so bad about you trolling me
what do you call yourself?
an internetshemale?
a cyber femaleimpersonator?
batshit crazy ass troll?

hey, everyone's liable to being blown-up if they choose to extend more than a minutiae of themselves to another poster and gossip happens. risk taken by the guy, and it turned out to be truly shitty judgement. anything personal can get around and become fodder, even if you weren't guilty of choosing really bad audiences to reveal it to. i mean willie and burg went to avn and they got shit for being photographed not looking or behaving creepy or comical for fuck's sake. chickenmaster got thrown under the same bus he once drove and it was terminal for his career as a poster.

this guy's potentially going to provide us with some creepiness and hilarity and depending on how stupid and embarassing he was either learns a life-lesson or becomes a running joke here.
i like the posters i know anything oersonal about these days and i just shut the fuck up, but if someone random starts talking dirty to me they're lionfood.

cage's gotta eat,
i demand entertainment at another's expense and i'm anticipating the cringe you get watching someone get sexuslly-charged towards a stranger on the internet.

jamesn, I do not know who you mean when you write about stupidity and embarrassment, but rest assured I am the one revealing nothing about my true self while extracting information from old man river - or what was expressed by the person.

Regardless if it is true or false. it is potentially entertaining.

it's pretty clear i was referring to old man river. source: my first post.

i assume he was the one doing the heavy breathing behind the glow of an lcd, correct? that's got potential, get the fucking torpedo out of the tube and let's use his shame to bring us closer together as a community-these moments are preciously-scarce.

Keep fighting the good fight, Jimbo.

I am still editing.

Good stuff will come soon.

Raoul flip-flopping, sucking up to jamesn, ahh, some things never change.

That would take this far too seriously.

Relax a bit, Jimbo.

It can help.

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Well, I already said back in March that I was really busting his/her/its stones with the Sasha thing. The indignation with which Sashamutt protested was amusing. I also said that there were "other, equally plausible candidates, including Warped_Seed and (Queerbait,) the guy with the pedo avatars."

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Duh. I know that. I meant that maybe O.M.R fell for that he was Sasha. Care Less? O.M.G? What are these pm's about? Someone spill it. D^^^y L was no Kurt 2.0, and he was GFY's left-over lunchmeat anyway. The herd is hungry and Panzer doesn't count. He has nothing to offer to pick apart and I just want Steph to reclaim him to adt.

gia jordan, the chats are about almost anything, making them potentially boring.

Their entertainment value is not necessarily immediate, rather compatible with a soap on television.

I will try to hurry with the material.

It will be the exact text entered without any corrections, time stamps will have been removed and the names of the two participants altered for better, more immediate understanding.

The first chat will be unabridged and rather long.

Several private messages were exchanged prior to it.

Some might actually read it.

Some miight dislike it.

Some might consider it readable.

Some might find it entertaining.

Maybe O.M.R. is an alright guy. Care Less is pretty dull despite his self-important tone and occassional insight, so it probably isn't much to get riled up about. I really hate posts like "hey everyone, I've got dirt" then no evidence of said dirt.

Lame thread by a lame poster. Alt ID much?

I like a good cage fight as much as anybody (no, not the gay-ass mma kind), but I would never trick someone into confiding in me via pm's just to read it aloud to the whole class to get kudos from the popular kids. That's some chump chicken shit, Care Less. Man up and start shit on the board out in the open like everyone else.

Who's O.M.G.? Old Man Give'r?
http://seattlest.com/2005/06/02/canada_land_of_giver.php

I meant O.M.R. Old Man River. I need a nap.

I figured. I was attempting to be witty and urbane. Say, didn't you post on the crazy black preacher thread? It's gone. And if I can just chime in on this thread without getting too 'out there', although I personally would never post a friendly pm from somebody , I also wouldn't write anything on the internets that I would be uncomfortable with becoming public knowledge. Just sayin'...

Care less is the queen of lame and OMR was under the delusion he was a she rather than just a shemale. I’ll reach in to the future with my psychic powers and give you the best quote from this, bound to be lame, piece of crap.

OMR: your super hot sasha, I would pay to fuck you in the ass, if you first shaved off the anal warts.

CL: I do enjoy taking it in the ass. How much?

^^^^Dammit! you're stealing my opening line to her....

As I already stated, it is nothing special necessarily.

I couid not care less what the mob here thinks.

It is far from my goal to be commended by the "cool kids" of this board.

Shred it, me or old man river to pieces, have fun, be bored, it is of no real interest to me.

Get over it.

Now Care Less is backpeddling faster than Lance Armstrong passing Matthew McCauhnagay's bedroom window.

If you still are not sleeping, look for my earlier posts in this thread, if you like.

Not backing up stuff is so not what this is about.

It is lenghty and a lot to edit.

It wil be pissed on.

That is why I will post it here.

Whatever.

it's actually pretty funny that whoever care less endured hours of chatting with someone that bored them and then bored them while telling them how hard his penis was over i'm assuming a period of weeks, if not more. on one hand, that's fucking fiendish and commendable in outcome, but kind of weird to suffer that long being bored then having a man sexualize you to pull it off.

here's what i know-i want that much free time right now. care less posts read like gary snyder poems which drive me bananas stylistically so i've missed whatever combat history and with who i'll try to catch up on.

and i know i want to read the fucking thing now that i've lobbied for it's availability before i go to bed tonight.

Here it is.

Trash it.

And remember to make comments which call it gay, lame, a waste of life and all the rest.


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Wed, Jan 30, 2008


old man river: hello

Care Less: Test, test, 1,2,3?

old man river: It does seem to be working, that is good.

Care Less: That sounds all right.

old man river: Hope the day finds you in good spirits

Care Less: More more than less.

old man river: good, sorry to hear about the banishment.

Care Less: Being banned is not that difficult to deal with. They are a strange bunch over there, that is all.

old man river: yes, they are

Not sure if your ban is temporary or permanent

If you want, I can find out

Care Less: Permanent, I would say. I will live on.

old man river: I am guessing so as well. Usually if it is temporary, the avatar appears in a jail with the release date listed

Care Less: What an image.

old man river: yep, though it shouldn't surprise given the overall tone of the place

I am just surprised that it is not something of a sexual nature

Care Less: Sure.

old man river: I know you said that eleventh moon was just a throwaway name but it still intrigues me nonetheless

Care Less: It does?

old man river: idiosyncratic

Care Less: How so?

old man river: if you peruse the list of users at xpt (and you still can I believe), you will see that most are trite

Big Dick 69

Pussylover

Faggot H8ter

Care Less: All the good important matters.

old man river: Of course, so people immediately know who you are, what you stand for and what you want your world to look like

Care Less: A telling name indeed.

old man river: there is something to be said for clarity, I guess. Yours, on the other hand, suggests a certain ambiguity

In that it suggests mythology or something potentially mythical

religious or spiritual

and also a concept present in a variety of religions and cultures

Needless to say, the porn denizens do not appreciate such concepts

What are you composing?

Care Less: I someow doiubt that. Pornography is just a burdened form of entertainment, a good. Many people get entertained by it - those having a life beyond what they consume included. [Interruption: If you have any ability to enjoy various forms of electronically generated music, head ove to somafm.com. "Groove Salad" sounds good to me right now.]

old man river: I checked it out previously. I saw the link you posted in the Music thread. Did not have enough time to explore but will when I have time later tonight.

Care Less: They play good stuff there. No commercial breaks.

old man river: ok will click on the link, hope this does not disconnect the chat

Having some delay and difficulty getting it to play

For some reason, I thought you would enjoy the Sisters of Mercy

Care Less: I enjoy a lot, but that formation is unknown to me.

old man river: That formation?

um okay

Care Less: That. group, if you prefer.

old man river: I have no preferences, just curious at your choice of words

Care Less: Why exactly?

old man river: Well it is not common

The connotation is discordant

formation, to me, suggests structure or regimentation

rock and roll suggests otherwise

Care Less: Understood abstractly, it makes sense to me.

old man river: it makes sense to me as well

it just requires a modulation of frequency

Care Less: That, on the other hand...

old man river: yes?

Care Less: ...lets me picture technological equipment.

old man river: ahh, of course and i use it to suggest an active listening process

or "Prick up your ears" as jthe english would say

Care Less: The English, they are a funny people?

old man river: It depends on who you ask. The Irish would probably say no. Irish catholics, that is

Care Less: That topic bored me in school already.

old man river: most topics in school are boring

Care Less: Definitely.

old man river: this is not helped by the manner in which they are taught

Care Less: Scholastic knowledge is mediated strangely.

old man river: a melange of politics, religion and everything else that doesn't belong in the stew

Care Less: The stew is foul, rotten even.

old man river: I've always thought of prototypical cafeteria food as appropriately symbolic

food for the body, food for the mind

soylent green

Care Less: A classic.

old man river: I wonder if Heston consumed any of the stuff, hence his degeneration into NRA firebrand

Care Less: Maybe it just was the money.

old man river: maybe it was the disappearance of decent roles

or the allocation to other older performers

Care Less: Possibly.

old man river: he needed a stage and an audience

many actors do

Care Less: I do not blame them.

old man river: why is that

Care Less: They might feel underachieving otherwise.

old man river: Maybe

then again, he appears to actually believe what he says

However, given his age, he might not know or remember what he says

Care Less: Or he indeed is a fervant believer. For the cause.

old man river: they are strangely quiet this year

at least on the various campaign trails

Care Less: Elections are funny matters.

old man river: I find it difficult to believe that no one on the far Right has suggested that arming oneself is the most effective defense against terrorism

Instead of Willie Horton, you could use clips from 24

to demonstrate the usefulness of torture

the need for personal firearms

Care Less: Primetime television has its amusing moments, when government policy finds its way into the scripts.

old man river: and it sometimes isn't an accident

Care Less: Probably not.

old man river: Then again, I often find that Fox news (cable) is among the more amusing comedies

Care Less: Due to their famed impartial spirit?

old man river: ha ha ha

fair and balanced

attempting to be serious is occasionally more humorous than attempting to be funny

Care Less: In case of their lost cause at least.

old man river: And just like xpt expressed a longing for you to be Sasha Grey, they are longing for Hillary Clinton to be the next president

Care Less: Do you think the motives differ?

old man river: not significantly

Care Less: PILF?

old man river: ha ha ha

Now would the P stand for president or performer?

Care Less: According to what you wrote that would be an insignificant detail.

old man river: well they seem to inhabit similar places in the male mind

I am unsure given my lack of insider status LOL

I am not affiliated with the business in any way

Nor am I an avid consumer

But both seem to strike a chord amongst the same demographic

and it isn't a good chord it would appear

Care Less: Wanting to have sex, if that is what is meant, with Sasha Grey or Hillary Clinton is somehow understandable. It gets strange where it is desired at the same time, thus simultaneously, I think.

old man river: Umm no but that is an interesting take on the subject

I was referring to men reacting similarly to women with intellectual aspirations

BTW, it is difficult to detect your inferences at times so please pardon me if I misconstrue your point

Care Less: How is that?

old man river: Well, you can be mildly obtuse. And I often discern sarcasm but as I don't know you at all nor am I accustomed to your individual sense of humor, I may interpret your statements differently than how you intended them to be understood

Care Less: Do you care to elaborate on the obtuse parts?

old man river: Not if it offends you

just kidding

Maybe tangential would be more accurate

Care Less: I see.

old man river: uh oh

Care Less: "Uh oh"?

old man river: I would prefer not to anger if that doesn't sound too weak and spineless, though it probably does

by tangential, I meant that your responses can sometimes diverge in nature and tone from what I have said just before

by obtuse, I meant that your responses can be cryptic, maybe unintentionally so, and that various meanings can be delineated

Care Less: I understand.

old man river: it also doesn't help that I am typing very quickly while you may not be so prolific. Then again, that may be due to the fact that you are concise and economical with your comments while I splatter the room

Care Less: I try to get my spelling right.

old man river: and for that you are to be commended. more people should do so in my opinion LOL

If I may be so bold as to drastically change subjects ...

Care Less: Do so.

old man river: Could you please tell me what is so inflammatory about Sasha Grey? Is it just some perceived intellectualism

I must confess that other than the link you sent, I am not familiar with her work

Care Less: Confessional intentions? I will do so in kind: She does a lot of the allegedly kinky stuff, has a - as I wrote several times on XPT - contrivedly vocal performance and went to some panel and The Tyra Banks Show. Not fitting into the cliché of dumb fuck meat entirely might evoke anger in the audience.

old man river: Confessional Intentions? That sounds like some late night cable movie starring Shannon Tweed.

I have seen pictures on the internet

but not her movies

Care Less: Of Shannon Tweed, whoever that is, or of Sashy Grey?

old man river: shannon tweed, sorry about that

obscure cultural reference I guess

anyway, what I meant earlier is that she seems to have evoked a particularly strong response from the xpt crowd

I clicked on the link for attention whore and that was equally vitriolic

Dumb fuck meat sounds like a porno title, please tell me it is not

Care Less: I doubt it. MaxHardcore called one of his part-time-co-workers so, if I am correct.

old man river: And because of your posts, people think it is you. Okay. I repeated the sentiment based on your responses to the allegations, if that is the right term

Care Less: Delusional trolling of tormented minds maybe.

old man river: Versus premeditated trolling of curious minds ...

Care Less: Exactly.

old man river: and what conclusions, if any, did you come to?

Care Less: So far it just seems that Sasha Grey has a solid fanbase.

old man river: and that is a good thing I presume

Care Less: For her, yes.

old man river: even if this fanbase consists of anti-intellectual trogolodytes ...

Care Less: She is probably in it for the money. Money is good.

old man river: or so they say

this is where the term whore becomes commonplace

though some would embrace this term

rather than consider it pejorative

Where do you fit in all of this?

Care Less: Nowhere, really. But that an online presence of a forum can work as a screen is interesting to me.

old man river: a screen for what? and for whom?

Care Less: A screen for the troll projecting what is most close at hand in his/her/its mind.

old man river: oh my

Care Less: Keep going.

old man river: unsure how to proceed in all honesty

Care Less: Write about it.

old man river: an impulse, quickly suppressed

or repressed, never can remember the difference

would it be possible to change the subject?

Care Less: That is what I would have suggested next.

old man river: i am uncomfortable with my thoughts at the moment

Care Less: Why? Are they too private to mention?

old man river: not necessarily

Care Less: Then go ahead.

old man river: but they place me with those i disassociate from

i am wondering about your true nature

and your identity

I would rather not

Care Less: Why?

old man river: it places me in a categorizable position

and you in clear power

Care Less: How would that work?

old man river: you have what I want

and I have no way of taking it from you

Care Less: What is it you want?

old man river: good question

the simple and superficial answer is your identity

but that is not exactly the truth

in that my interest is predicated on the possibility that you could be sasha grey

if you are someone else, someone obscure, or even a 77 yo man, your identity is meaningless to me

or at least carries much less significance

and that makes me a fanboy or is it fanboi or whatever the term may be

more importantly, it makes me one of them

one who is possibly subject to your trolling

and thus in a position of weakness

Care Less: Strange. What would you think if I in fact were Sasha Grey?

old man river: i would not think, that is the problem

Care Less: Do you desire her? Is that too personal a question to ask?

old man river: i am afraid that my answer would be yes, I am afraid of my answer actually

Care Less: Why?

old man river: i prefer to be in control of myself, of my feelings to a large extent

i prefer not to cede this to others as I have to you somewhat

Care Less: While I do not know the validity of the following, I will make an assumption: You seem to have some affection towards Sasha Grey, as she is sexually desirable for you and you seem to be uncomfortable with this. Trust your drive.

old man river: your assumption is valid

Care Less: So when asking yourself why you are afraid that this is he case, what comes to mind besides the topic of control?

old man river: control in two areas. the first being me relative to you. the second being within myself. That is, maintaining some semblance of control over my impulses/urges

it is the latter that frightens me more

you are somewhere else, communicating via wires. I am here with myself, there is no possiblity of avoidance

Care Less: Understandable. If you desire a young woman, then this seems all right to me. What about you?

old man river: i concur

Care Less: Then you should not be afraid of anything.

old man river: You are right, I should not. But I am ...

Care Less: Strange obscurity?

old man river: I don't know if your message was truncated or not

strange obscurity is all I see

Care Less: That is all I wrote.

old man river: what do you mean by that

Care Less: The paradox of your being confident and afraid simultaneously, not knowing the cause and trying to motivate you to clarify in order to understand better.

old man river: i am confident?

just noticing that I am not using upper case as much

Care Less: Confident with desiring a young woman sexually.

old man river: Christ you cut to the bone

There are several factors behind this

I would rather not get into them at this time

Care Less: Understandable. I did not intend to be too curious and wanted to be concise and specific.

old man river: No need to apologize for curiousity, I am more than happy to discuss it when my nerves settle

Care Less: You are still nervous then?

old man river: yes

I would like to know

Care Less: What would you like to know?

old man river: Your earlier implication was that you are Sasha Grey...

Care Less: You would like to know whether I am her?

old man river: yes

Care Less: What do you think?

old man river: I believe so

Care Less: Why?

old man river: You implied this earlier

Care Less: You wrote that that would put you into the same corner as the denying XPT fanbase.

old man river: that is correct, which is why I stated that i was uncomfortable with my thoughts at the moment

but they are there

and in acknowledging them, recognized a painful truth about myself

Care Less: Further above, you stated your lack of insider status regarding the male mind. Does that painful truth might have anything to do with that or even derive from ther? Curious and nosy I am.

old man river: I'm sorry, I meant lack of insider status regarding the industry. The male mind I am familiar with. Curious and nosy you are

Care Less: Indeed.

old man river: I am curious and nosy myself

and awaiting an answer

Care Less: What is it you would ask Sasha Grey if I was her?

old man river: I would ask why she is so evasive when asked questions about her identity

Care Less: Maybe she would point out your being curious and nosy.

old man river: but that has already been acknowledged ...

Care Less: And you would like to know for sure now, once and for all, I presume. But what would it change in this chat, considering if I was her I possibly would just make something up, maintaining a personal life that is private and apart from the screen name, the industry?

old man river: I am aware of that possibility.

Care Less: And still awaiting an answer?

old man river: yes

Care Less: I am not her.

old man river: I will take you at your word

Care Less: You should.

old man river: so then who are you? LOL

Care Less: Mind Ltd., eleventh_moon, did you forget?

old man river: touche

Care Less: Touché?

old man river: clever response

Care Less: I actually did not know what you meant writing touché.

old man river: i know

I shall reciprocate and go even further

I am a psychiatrist. As I type this, I am sitting in my office overlooking Los Angeles. There are no more clients and my staff have long since returned home

I hope this clarifies some of my earlier statements or puts them into perspective

Care Less: Not exactly, as I do not see any correlation between what you wrote and what you say your profession is.

old man river: Ok, I hope you have time since this will be lengthy

Care Less: Sure.

old man river: If I use clinical terms which require definition, feel free to ask

Care Less: I will.

old man river: In this profession, inhibition of personal desire is paramount. One could argue that psychiatrists are naturally predisposed to this behavior which is then cultivated through training

The dominance of the Superego and Ego over the ID

Care Less: The ID?

old man river: The Id is one's subconcious urges and impulses. Freud postulated that this took the form of the twin drives of sex and aggression and interpreted dreams along those lines

Well he interpreted many things along those lines.

The ego is the defense mechanism which allows us to cope with inner anxiety which results from the clash between the id and the superego

Superego is the conscience to put it in layman's terms

It dictates what is right and moral and suppressed the ID.

Needless to say, the ID and the Superego are in constant conflict on a daily basis.

So much of what we want, we cannot have or even pursue for a variety of reasons, be they legal, financial, social, religious or moral

I want this candy bar but I know it is bad for me

I want to steal this money but that is a sin

I want to drive faster than the speed limit but that is illegal

How those conflicts are resolved is up to the ego

Those with Mature or Advanced defense mechanisms, which is the majority of people, do so with minimal disruption to their lives.

Those without, end up seeing me

Well, that is not entirely accurate as I have chosen a different career parth so I no longer practice therapy or analysis

Examples of people without adequate defense mechanisms are sociopaths

Go to any jail and you will find someone who was unable to adequately reconcile the two. Or they simply lacked a superego.

Or their defense mechanisms were primitive.

Still there?

Care Less: Yes.

old man river: good

Examples of Primitive mechanisms include acting out.

In the case of a sociopath, for example, feeling anger towards someone else leads to an act of violence

If someone cuts me off in traffic, I may be upset, may swear but that is usually it.

I am angry. My urge is to reciprocate the behavior or worse

My superego says it is wrong to do so

Or that it is illegal

Or that it could lead to more violence and me getting shot

Basically it says no

Now there is conflict because I am angry and there is inner conflict between these two parts.

The ego then regulates this to discharge the inner anxiety

and hopefully in a way that is acceptable

So in my case, I may swear.

A more primitive defense, as stated before, is acting out. Road rage in many cases.

And by doing so, you have successfully discharged the that same anxiety.

I hope this made sense

Care Less: More more than less.

old man river: I like that phrase, by the way

Care Less: A creation of my own.

old man river: We should all create phrases of our own

Anyway, another example would be the borderling

Oops, make that borderline

The Porn industry, and the entertainment industry overall, is inundated with them

Care Less: A slip and an icon? And do you tend to look around XPT for professional reasons as well?

old man river: A slip and an icon? Not exactly. It has been a long day. I have gotten 15 hours of sleep total over the past three days. I had to visit a patient who wanted to kill me and I am typing in the dark in my office.

type faster

seriously

Care Less: That explains it adequately. So, does filtering XPT stimulate you professionally? And why the rush?

old man river: This is how I normally type sorry

Yes, xpt serves that purpose to a certain extent. I appreciate some of the humor. Fatman is cool in my book.

As far as I am concerned, I am chatting with Sasha Grey

hahaha

well not her exactly

that is an artistic persona

but there is a real person behind the creation

her name has been bandied about the Net to her consternation

and if you are her, fine

if not, fine

Care Less: The latter.

old man river: of course

Like I said earlier, I take you at your word

I do believe you are female

and that you are young

Care Less: Where does this assumption stem from?

old man river: clinical experience

I do this for a living

I also do this for my own intellectual stimulation, edification and entertainment

I never stop

It can be a problem for those around me

Care Less: How so?

old man river: It is how I process the world

Care Less: Exclusively?

old man river: They would rather not think all the time

if at all

no

not exclusively

alcohol and pot change the equation

as does sex

or at least an orgasm

Which is where you come in, no pun intended

Care Less: Please elaborate.

old man river: My ego is highly developed. That is often the case for psychiatrists.

So when my defenses are breached, that is disconcerting to say the least

I am fine now and I do not anticipate it happening again

Care Less: You do not anticipate what happening again?

old man river: My defenses being breached

Being in a vulnerable or weak position

Care Less: Were your defenses breached, you in a vulnerable position during this chat?

old man river: It appears that you are asking this question with a straight face ...

so I will answer it truthfully

yes, of coure

I stated so specifically

Care Less: Where you considered the possibility of me being a young desirable woman.

old man river: No, Sasha Grey, there is a difference, apparently

Care Less: Where you considered the possibility of me being the young desirable woman acting as the persona Sasha Grey then?

old man river: no, sasha grey

Care Less: Please explain.

old man river: I am not sure what the confusion is over

I will say this

I work with young desirable woman

less now than before

they have hit on me

OOOPS that sounds like Borat

Care Less: You work with a desirable woman or with several desirable women. I guess the letter. Spelling is crucial here.

old man river: it varies

right now, just a few

some are colleagues

some are clients

Care Less: As it is in my last entry, but whatever.

old man river: So I work with them, great.

They hit on me, great

I do not reciprocate

My superego says no to my id and the ego discharges the anxiety

easy enough

In your case, however, I was not quite prepared and had my guard down

To be more specific, I enjoyed our banter on the boards.

There was also the sophomoric thrill of flirting you in an odd way in front of everyone.

I did not really consider the thought of your identity until later.

But even then, I could easily compartmentalize and think of you as this persona

The difference now is that I suddenly felt that I was talking to Marina Ann Hantzis

Care Less: Who would be who?

old man river: Apparently that is her real name

I am not sure of the spelling, I just googled it

Care Less: But you do not think so now?

old man river: I am not going to allow myself to pursue that idea.

But nice try anyway

Care Less: I did not try anything. I wanted to know if your drive wanted to get your attention again.

old man river: It ALWAYS wants to get my attention.

Your Id does not take a vacation

This is a constant process

Care Less: I wanted to know if it succeeded.

old man river: please don't

Care Less: All right. I will stop.

old man river: I may not be as strong as I would like to be ...

Care Less: Your I being your regulative element.

old man river: no my ego does that

and there is such a thing as projection

in that what I want to be

I think actually is

I have no proof that you could have been sasha grey

but since I wanted it to be true, I thought it to be true

Think WMDs in Iraq

Care Less: Perception-based definitions of reality are not mediated propaganda, I guess.

old man river: To answer your earlier question, if you were Sasha Grey, I would ask if I could speak to you as Marina. And I say that for professional as much as for personal reasons ...

Care Less: Would you consider the possibility of Sasha Grey being more than a screen persona, thus some form of added seperate entity in her mind completely off course or would that rather feed your professional and personal interest?

old man river: I consider Sasha Grey to be more than a screen persona, that should be abundantly clear with half a brain. Artistic personas as such are not crafted from nothing. They are expressions of someone's vision and thus say something about the creator. I think this is what you were asking.

oops that did not come out right, sorry

by added separate entity, are you referring to multiple personality disorder

Care Less: But is it not even more interestin if it "did not come out right", less filtered? And yes, that is what I alluded to.

old man river: I am sorry but which one are you alluding to

feel free to answer that question LOL

Ok then

I will use this opportunity to get my jacket on and clean up around here.

I do need to go home eventually. I have a dog and a cat to feed and provide with a modicum of attention

And i need to shower.

If you want, we can resume this conversation in an hour or so.

or tomorrow night

Care Less: In an hour sounds good. Meanwhile, water the cat and dog, then pet the plants.

old man river: hahaha

ok will do

talk to you later umm trying to think of a name for you

mindltd? mp

no

Eleventh moon?

No

for lack of alternatives, I should call you ...

Care Less: What about your personal Sasha Grey of mind?

Or in mind.

old man river: Ok, talk to you later Sasha Grey in mind

type faster dammit, I want to go home and eat dinner LOL

Care Less: Until then. But how does this work with logging off and such?

old man river: just hit the x in the right hand corner

yeesh and I thought I was a Luddite when it came to technology

Care Less: That is no way to treat a lady.

old man river: so you acknowledge that you are female, ok this is progress ...

Care Less: Progress in what? Is this some form of online interrogation?

old man river: I believe it is, but who is really questioning and who is really answering ...

Care Less: And who wants to know?

old man river: I think we both do ...

Care Less: Let us think about this further after the plants got some haptic attention.

old man river: ha ha ha

but my pets are not getting a tantric component from me

Care Less: Ask them from time to time. As long as it is consensual...

old man river: it is never consensual, at least according to Dan Savage

Care Less: I will look him up.

old man river: And would this be some of the "kinky" things that Sasha Grey did?

Look up Savage Love, I can't believe you haven't heard of him ..

Care Less: I actually did not. Bestiality, as they call it, is not part of Sasha Grey´s kink, according to her on-screen time on The Tyra Banks Show.

At least I think so.

old man river: as long as you are typing, I cannot bring myself to leave this computer

as Englebert Humperdinck would say "Release Me and let Me go" Yeah I am quoting englebert humperdinck

at least i think so

love it

are you at a computer or are you typing this out on a Blackberry

Care Less: Should I stop in order to let your drive not rendering you anti-social, I mean, your pets are at stake here.

old man river: yes, that would be kind and considerate of you Sasha Grey in my mind

Care Less: I will do that now. Be gentle with the consensuality though.

old man river: i shall use plenty of lube ...

Care Less: Good boy.

old man river: Shall I hit the x or would like the honor

Care Less: That formulated strangely and thus really inappropriate as a potential last sentence.

"is" is missing


[Here is a pause of about an hour.]


old man river: Ok I am back and ready for round two

Care Less: You realize this no boxing match?

old man river: yes I do

I am not a fighter by nature

even when someone is trying to kill me

Care Less: Like that one patient.

old man river: several actually

it is an occupational hazard

just this afternoon, I drove out to Lawndale to inject a patient who had been threatening to kill me for the past week

(I am presuming you know about Lawndale)

Care Less: You presume incorrectly. With what did you inject him?

old man river: Haloperidol Decanoate

Care Less: What does it do?

old man river: It is an long-lasting antipsychotic

Care Less: Fun for a whole week?

old man river: a month

it is suspended in a sesame oil based solution which is stored in fat and then slowly released into the bloodstream

over the course of a month

Care Less: I see. Although your positions on pharmaceuticals and Scientology might be really interesting, honestly, do you have anything else to write about?

old man river: anything else?

Care Less: A topic besides the two complexes.

old man river: of course, I will follow your lead

Care Less: Do you think Sasha Grey likes to dominate her sex partners privately?

old man river: hahaha

I think it depends on the partner

and it depends on the sex

Care Less: Would you like to be dominated by her that way?

old man river: I think I already have ...

Care Less: Syntax?

old man river: I believe that i have been dominated by her sexually ...

Care Less: I mean the haptic component.

old man river: Well I have perused some of her pictures and on film, she seems to be dominated

In her private life, I can imagine the opposite

I can be submissive

yes, I would like to explore that with her

Care Less: You can imagine the opposite due to your being able to be submissive?

old man river: No, I can imagine her private life is the opposite of her public persona.

As much as her performances are just that, I can also see them as an expression or presentation of an artistic persona

and that could also reflect certain fantasies

Care Less: Regarding my last question: No correlation?

old man river: oh, interesting

quite possible

i did not think of it as a projection on my part but you are probably correct

Care Less: Not everything is a projection.

You can see it differently as well.

old man river: true

Care Less: Cause and effect might be interchangeable.

old man river: yes, but when I said I can be submissive, i meant to say that i usually am

But now that i am indulging myself, yes I would definitely like to be dominated by her

But my definition of domination is quite tame

Care Less: No Gag Factor in your bedroom then.

old man river: Gag Factor? Probably not LOL

Care Less: Throating, much saliva.

old man river: Oh I am not opposed to that

Does Sasha practice Gag Factoring?

Care Less: Look her up on iafd.com for all your future needs.

old man river: do you practice gag factoring?

or do I need to look at iafd.com for that as well

Care Less: I do not. I do not even know whether I was right in describing it.

old man river: do you like to dominate

Care Less: Not really.

old man river: do you like to be dominated

Care Less: Not especially.

old man river: closer to my tastes i see

Care Less: Why would that be of importance?

old man river: I am nosy and curious ...

Care Less: Definitely.

old man river: as are you

Care Less: So, pet or plant love?

old man river: Fed both the dog and cat and they are busy munching away

maybe i should get a rabbit LOL

Care Less: They come indifferent sizes for a tight fit, I hear.

The space bar failed me miserably.

old man river: yeah, completely screwed up your joke

I am a fur man anyway

cute fuzzy wabbit fur

Care Less: Bunny rabbit, Bobby Peru, Wild At Heart?

What is a wabbit?

old man river: Elmer Fudd

Care Less: Elmer Fudd?

old man river: Bugs Bunny - Kill da wabbit! Kill da wabbit!

Care Less: I see.

old man river: Sorry, another obscure reference

I will confine them to porn in the future

Care Less: You do not have to.

But who or what is Elmer Fudd?

old man river: He is the man who was always after Bugs Bunny. He spoke with a funny accent and was unable to pronounce the letter r

he used w instead

Care Less: Cartoons can be really awful.

old man river: yes they can

but not when rabbits are involved. Bugs always beat Elmer. He wore flannel

itchy flannel it seemed

predated grunge by decades

So if you were to meet sasha grey, what would you say to her

or ceara lynch for that matter

Care Less: Ceara Lynch looks quite attractive body-wise. Her face, too, but on some photo on XPT she looked not that good.

Saying anything was not my plan.

old man river: I haven't seen a bad photos of her

and what was your plan?

Care Less: One stood out.

old man river: you should tell her that

Care Less: I did not have one.

old man river: I hope I am not talking to some undercover cop working with Dateline Investigative Reports

Care Less: I am Chris Hansen´s secretary.

old man river: well as long as you are not Chris Hansen, that is cool

creepy fucker

Care Less: Oh, would you like me to join in and call you names now? After all, you said you tend be rather submissive by default.

old man river: sure

but i meant creepy fucker to be hansen not you

Care Less: I see. Or: Good ejection.

old man river: that sounds like a porn term

current slang for a money shot

Care Less: Jets.

old man river: oh that makes complete sense

Care Less: More more than less?

old man river: exactly

so if you are jets, can I be sharks

reference to West Side Story - Leonard Bernstein

sorry

Care Less: Let it out.

old man river: i am trying, believe me, i am trying

Care Less: The drive again?

old man river: i am officially lost now

Do you know Holly Randall?

Care Less: I never had sex with her.

old man river: Well, you should and then pass along all the details so I can live vicariously through you

I want to know what it is like to be Luke Ford

Care Less: Levitra and honey in the fridge next to the bed?

old man river: Oh I am a Cialis man all the way. The use a football in their ads you know. Now that is a product that i am going to buy

I prefer Mayo to honey

Care Less: Cialis?

old man river: same thing as levitra and viagra

but with an ad where a guy throws a football through a hanging tire

they run it during football games

Care Less: Not exactly, chemically almost. Patents, I assume.

old man river: of course

but the important thing is that there is a football thrown through a hanging tire in their ads

Care Less: Meeting, going home, homerun?

old man river: now that is obtuse. I know it is late and I am sleepy but that is obtuse. Like mid-90's Godard obtuse

And I have no idea Cialis

In all honesty, I have never used them

Not that I am opposed to them

but I am not anywhere near that age

and stay in good shape

Care Less: Sure. Noone buys the kinky stuff.

old man river: they do all the time, I peruse the stores from time to time

If i need it, trust me I will use it

Care Less: The advertisement seems obtuse indeed. I just tried to visualize what you described.

old man river: Oh the ad is anything but obtuse. It features this middle aged guy throwing a football through a tire. The symbolism is difficult to miss.

Care Less: Geniuses at work in the concept phase?

old man river: I would say so. Probably the same people who thought that having blondes in bikinis would sell beer

Care Less: They do not have to, they are blonde anyway.

old man river: do not have to what

i presume wear bikinis

Care Less: Sell or promote to buy. Bikinis are obsolete for sure.

old man river: to be replaced by_______________

Care Less: Who signs the not so dotted line?

old man river: it is a fill in the blank but i can see how easy it is to mistake the two

next time i will try multiple choice

Care Less: So. To be replaced by nothingness.

old man river: well they are blondes right? This is just the next step i guess

remove everything except the breasts

and you can take those out too and replace them with unadorned silicone sacs

Care Less: Really?

old man river: i think that is what sasha grey would suggest

Brechtian theater brought to the Advertising World

Care Less: Well. Blondes like to suck and fuck and swallow.

old man river: Bertolt Brecht reference, sorry

Are you blonde?

don't answer that

Care Less: To keep the fantasy alive? Why that?

old man river: it was a crude comment on my part

but i can't go back and edit or erase once posted

oh wait, you're the one who said suck fuck and swallow



[There seems to be something missing here.]



all i said was blondes

Care Less: It is common knowledge that blondes like to suck and fuck and swallow, that is all.

old man river: as compared to other hair colors? I never knew that.

Okay then, feel free to answer my question then

Can you tell that I am getting a little sleepy?

Care Less: Horny I would have assumed.

old man river: much hornier before

Care Less: You were much hornier before or are much hornier than before?

old man river: much hornier before

I was also more articulate

we have been chatting for over 5 hours

Care Less: Matters occur.

old man river: Is that the new David Sedaris novel?

Care Less: I am at no liberty to disclose specific information at this time.

old man river: what are you at liberty to disclose?

Care Less: Nothing. He would sue me pennyless.

old man river: AHA! So you are saying that you have pennies! Interesting, the plot thickens ...

Care Less: It could also be an allusion to a possible relationship with Penny Flame.

old man river: Penny Flame? Oh great, now my head is hurting

Is this a famous performer?

Care Less: Breasts from far out there.

old man river: Far out there? Like space? Cool. So she does the sci-fi porn,does she?

Care Less: No. She is a pot head. Check her out at pornstarbook.com/main.shtml, scrolling down to the alphabetic list.

old man river: will do later. Is that a niche as well, pot porn? I can't imagine a male perfomer being able to take care of business while high

I presume it is safe to say the you are not Penny Flame

Care Less: Congratulations.

old man river: 1 down, 999,999 to go

sorry for being so trite

and focused

I should playing the game

but damn a 5 1/2 hour chat

and I am posting at higher clip, no pun intended

and I do need to get up early tomorrow

Care Less: Poetry coming up?

old man river: Giving a lecture on obstructive sleep apnea, then drive out across so cal to give two more injections, check out a new referral who's in an inpatient psych ward, then a family meeting, and if there is time left over, search Long Beach skid row for a missing client who just came out of a comablah blah blah

the guy was near brain death, all of a sudden he regains consciousness and then is discharged soon after

but not psychiatrically stable,

great fucking job there

Care Less: The envy imbues me.

old man river: i do love what i do but sometimes burns me out

oh and while i am at the hospital, i have to check in on another client who tried to kill me

while i am still young if you don't mind

Care Less: But what do you do exactly? Altering minds chemically and psychologically? Your fanbase, as opposed to Sasha Grey´s, seems to be spread thin is some instances.

old man river: good question, what do I do.

save lives supposedly

Care Less: Sure.

old man river: spread thin is more accurate than you imagine

Care Less: How so?

old man river: I would rather talk about you than me

Care Less: How predictable.

old man river: go figure

Care Less: Figure what?

old man river: before i say anything rude, I should probably retire for the night

Care Less: Bad idea. What would it be that could be rude?

old man river: the same old questions about you

but phrased in a more vulgar fashion

Care Less: Make an example, please.

old man river: i would rather not offend you

Care Less: I will not be offended, I assure you that. Go ahead.

old man river: Please tell me your name LOL

Care Less: I am still suspicious.

old man river: of what

Care Less: What type of questions you would pose and why thea might be offensive.

old man river: I just posed a question!

It is offensive simply because it lacks all tact and courtesy

If you were thinking sexually offensive, I don't think I am capable of that

Care Less: I thought your asking my name was meant as a joke and the good suff is still waiting to be freed on your end.

old man river: no, the question was serious but I don't expect you to answer it though I hope you will

in fact, my hope is the joke

Care Less: I see. I will not answer that question. What would be another potentially offensive question?

old man river: More personal questions

Gender

Age

things of that nature

Care Less: You already seem confident in assuming I am female and young due to your deductive capabilities.

old man river: how have you managed to retain your faculties

and how have you managed to regain your previous tone

or did the nature of my questions push you back

it is almost 2 am

do you not sleep or eat

vocation of some sort

if you so desire, we can flip the script and you may ask me questions

I will either answer truthfully or decline to respond, but I will not lie

Care Less: Elaborate on the forst two questions for now, then go into further detail about the rest of them.

old man river: Do you mean my questions to you or your questions to me

Care Less: The ones you posed.

old man river: OK, well your tone has returned to a more inquisitive, almost detached tone that you had adopted earlier. After a while, especially near the end of our first chat and the beginning of this one, it became more playful and suggestive.

Care Less: Which would lead you to believe what?

old man river: Well you are doing it right now

You are offended

scared

not sure

Care Less: Being inquisitive?

old man river: and you are probing me

in a non-sexual manner, of course

Care Less: At least.

old man river: Please remember that these are questions posed to you

Care Less: The first question could use some more shape.

old man river: And I am in no condition to provide it. My though process is slowed. I appreciate chatting with you but I have to check out now.

Care Less: I see.

old man river: I would love to resume tomorrow evening, at your discretion of course

Care Less: That might be entertaining. Shape some.

old man river: good night Sasha Grey in my mind

Care Less: Bye.

That's OK, Moose. But there are a few differences. For one, Malice didn't pretend to be someone he wasn't. Also, the whore in question doesn't seem to have asked that the convo be kept private, which OMR did. The differences between implied and explicit privacy and between civilians and PWs can be debated. But one thing's clear: Whatever Sashamutt/Queerbait ends up posting will almost certainly turn out to be as lame as, well, the rest of its posts.

EDIT: Hard to believe, but it was actually lamer.

Pretty Pleads pwns him IMO.

Feel like I just got pwned wasting ten minutes of my life reading that transcript. OTOH I feel good that I wasn't one of the participants.

The more interesting stuff is a bit further down.

Excerpts could be helpful.

Let me see...

Good lord. I didn't even read that shit, but where was that shit when I said I needed a nap?

Let's put it this way, Gia: ADT would find it lame.

I'll admit I read the transcript stem to stern.

Old Man River likes Fatman- that's a good thing.

I want to read more, if there is any more, because this has to be headed somewhere. Right now it reads like David Bowie flirting with Mick Jagger, but with no talent and less humor.

If there's more, post it Care Less.

I felt like I was reading a Swedish melodrama, but with one guy practicing his lines for both characters.

I couldn't get far but what I did read was pretentiously retarded. Is there a point to it? Can someone copypasta the parts that are supposedly good? It just seems like two lonely dudes IMing each other with one pretending to be a chick.

Looking forward to reading jamesn's take ...


Careless Hype

Hype, yeah. Definitely.

And no pretense was needed, as it all went along, slowly, by itself.



For the hasty tweakers, here is a topic-specific excerpt about the Sasha Grey fan in old man river:


"old man river: oh my

Care Less: Keep going.

old man river: unsure how to proceed in all honesty

Care Less: Write about it.

old man river: an impulse, quickly suppressed

or repressed, never can remember the difference

would it be possible to change the subject?

Care Less: That is what I would have suggested next.

old man river: i am uncomfortable with my thoughts at the moment

Care Less: Why? Are they too private to mention?

old man river: not necessarily

Care Less: Then go ahead.

old man river: but they place me with those i disassociate from

i am wondering about your true nature

and your identity

I would rather not

Care Less: Why?

old man river: it places me in a categorizable position

and you in clear power

Care Less: How would that work?

old man river: you have what I want

and I have no way of taking it from you

Care Less: What is it you want?

old man river: good question

the simple and superficial answer is your identity

but that is not exactly the truth

in that my interest is predicated on the possibility that you could be sasha grey

if you are someone else, someone obscure, or even a 77 yo man, your identity is meaningless to me

or at least carries much less significance

and that makes me a fanboy or is it fanboi or whatever the term may be

more importantly, it makes me one of them

one who is possibly subject to your trolling

and thus in a position of weakness

Care Less: Strange. What would you think if I in fact were Sasha Grey?

old man river: i would not think, that is the problem

Care Less: Do you desire her? Is that too personal a question to ask?

old man river: i am afraid that my answer would be yes, I am afraid of my answer actually

Care Less: Why?

old man river: i prefer to be in control of myself, of my feelings to a large extent

i prefer not to cede this to others as I have to you somewhat

Care Less: While I do not know the validity of the following, I will make an assumption: You seem to have some affection towards Sasha Grey, as she is sexually desirable for you and you seem to be uncomfortable with this. Trust your drive.

old man river: your assumption is valid

Care Less: So when asking yourself why you are afraid that this is he case, what comes to mind besides the topic of control?

old man river: control in two areas. the first being me relative to you. the second being within myself. That is, maintaining some semblance of control over my impulses/urges

it is the latter that frightens me more

you are somewhere else, communicating via wires. I am here with myself, there is no possiblity of avoidance

Care Less: Understandable. If you desire a young woman, then this seems all right to me. What about you?

old man river: i concur

Care Less: Then you should not be afraid of anything.

old man river: You are right, I should not. But I am ...

Care Less: Strange obscurity?

old man river: I don't know if your message was truncated or not

strange obscurity is all I see

Care Less: That is all I wrote.

old man river: what do you mean by that

Care Less: The paradox of your being confident and afraid simultaneously, not knowing the cause and trying to motivate you to clarify in order to understand better.

old man river: i am confident?

just noticing that I am not using upper case as much

Care Less: Confident with desiring a young woman sexually.

old man river: Christ you cut to the bone

There are several factors behind this

I would rather not get into them at this time

Care Less: Understandable. I did not intend to be too curious and wanted to be concise and specific.

old man river: No need to apologize for curiousity, I am more than happy to discuss it when my nerves settle

Care Less: You are still nervous then?

old man river: yes

I would like to know

Care Less: What would you like to know?

old man river: Your earlier implication was that you are Sasha Grey...

Care Less: You would like to know whether I am her?

old man river: yes

Care Less: What do you think?

old man river: I believe so

Care Less: Why?

old man river: You implied this earlier

Care Less: You wrote that that would put you into the same corner as the denying XPT fanbase.

old man river: that is correct, which is why I stated that i was uncomfortable with my thoughts at the moment

but they are there

and in acknowledging them, recognized a painful truth about myself

Care Less: Further above, you stated your lack of insider status regarding the male mind. Does that painful truth might have anything to do with that or even derive from ther? Curious and nosy I am.

old man river: I'm sorry, I meant lack of insider status regarding the industry. The male mind I am familiar with. Curious and nosy you are

Care Less: Indeed.

old man river: I am curious and nosy myself

and awaiting an answer

Care Less: What is it you would ask Sasha Grey if I was her?

old man river: I would ask why she is so evasive when asked questions about her identity

Care Less: Maybe she would point out your being curious and nosy.

old man river: but that has already been acknowledged ...

Care Less: And you would like to know for sure now, once and for all, I presume. But what would it change in this chat, considering if I was her I possibly would just make something up, maintaining a personal life that is private and apart from the screen name, the industry?

old man river: I am aware of that possibility.

Care Less: And still awaiting an answer?

old man river: yes

Care Less: I am not her.

old man river: I will take you at your word

Care Less: You should."

When did Malice approve Ingmar Bergman?

I don't think that excerpt from what you already posted helped anyone at all. Let me try:

• Old Man River (hereafter OMR) thinks Care Less is Sasha Grey
• OMR is a psychiatrist, and justifies to himself his fanboy interest in Sasha using clinical pretenses
• Care Less, liking the attention, posts ambiguous responses to OMR's inquiries
• OMR parses these responses in the Sasha-script he is running in his head - they fit

Now. What's next?

To indirectly name me an attention whore does not really cut it, but go ahead.



Next up is the first of several sexual opinions voiced by old man river in several chats:



"Care Less: Do you think Sasha Grey likes to dominate her sex partners privately?

old man river: hahaha

I think it depends on the partner

and it depends on the sex

Care Less: Would you like to be dominated by her that way?

old man river: I think I already have ...

Care Less: Syntax?

old man river: I believe that i have been dominated by her sexually ...

Care Less: I mean the haptic component.

old man river: Well I have perused some of her pictures and on film, she seems to be dominated

In her private life, I can imagine the opposite

I can be submissive

yes, I would like to explore that with her

Care Less: You can imagine the opposite due to your being able to be submissive?

old man river: No, I can imagine her private life is the opposite of her public persona.

As much as her performances are just that, I can also see them as an expression or presentation of an artistic persona

and that could also reflect certain fantasies

Care Less: Regarding my last question: No correlation?

old man river: oh, interesting

quite possible

i did not think of it as a projection on my part but you are probably correct

Care Less: Not everything is a projection.

You can see it differently as well.

old man river: true

Care Less: Cause and effect might be interchangeable.

old man river: yes, but when I said I can be submissive, i meant to say that i usually am

But now that i am indulging myself, yes I would definitely like to be dominated by her

But my definition of domination is quite tame

Care Less: No Gag Factor in your bedroom then.

old man river: Gag Factor? Probably not LOL

Care Less: Throating, much saliva.

old man river: Oh I am not opposed to that

Does Sasha practice Gag Factoring?

Care Less: Look her up on iafd.com for all your future needs.

old man river: do you practice gag factoring?

or do I need to look at iafd.com for that as well

Care Less: I do not. I do not even know whether I was right in describing it.

old man river: do you like to dominate

Care Less: Not really.

old man river: do you like to be dominated

Care Less: Not especially.

old man river: closer to my tastes i see

Care Less: Why would that be of importance?

old man river: I am nosy and curious ...

Care Less: Definitely."



Bornyo, feel free to condense it down for the meth users.

Where's Firewall when we need him?

No tits were flashed during the chats.

But, since the first chat is posted and the second one does not really look that Cage-compatible, what is it you guys are interested in, if that is the case at all?

Intersted in? You made the thread.

Ohh ffs enough..screencaps of the chat or stfu.
And then...maybe.. it's for real.

I can't believe you fucken knobs are buying into this.
I'll forgive Gia..cause well she's hot and has a dirty mouth.
The rest of you are a testament to the degeneration of mankind and your lucky that I don't take the time to kick the braces off of your spindly legs.

Text only.

So you do not care. Get ass-fucked while waiting in line.

Consiracy everywhere.

Just look at the length, bitches.

I did not make this shit up.


So. If someone has any interest in specific parts, post them.

Otherwise I will not waste my time editing the stuff.

On demand in detail, so to type.

old man river should retire seeing as he's everything wrong with psychiatry-heavy into bullshit psychoanalysis AND HE'S ABUSING HIS PATIENTS.

first of all, that drug DOES NOT last a full month.


second-you travelled to inject him(i hope to god i didn't interpret that as IV rather than IM) which means you're the personification of a 1960's-barbaric asylum doc. your involvement in his sedation as the target of what made him a threat was idiotic given it was you he initially flipped at.

third-your choice of drug and administration is consistent with the practice of abusing first-gen anti's-YOU PRESCRIBED FOR SIDE-EFFECTS OF A DRUG NOT IT'S INTENDED USE. you just stuck him against his will with a drug with a very serious set of side-effects basically to knock him the fuck out.

if he wasn't rampaging through the hospital attacking everyone in sight, just threatening you, you're straight out of >one flew over" almost punatively overmedicating your patients while spewing 100-year old shit about the id.

classic case of someone who can spew frued for hours for the sheer philosophical pride of having synthesized a few texts THEN JUST USING DATED AND DANGEROUS DRUGS ON A MONTHLY-REGIMEN TO MAKE THEM INTO VEGATABLES.

retire, md's were easier to come by in your day and you're burned-out and shitting the bed in crisis situations like it's 1973 in regards to what's current in both the direction of your patient's human rights and pharmocological evidence(they find out something about your crutch in a needle every 2 years as serious and irreversible as dementia, cardiac risks and now FUCKING CANCER)

douchebag. loner. barbaric. creepy. unfit to practice in 2008 whether you can give a lecture or not. you're job should be turned over to someone from the era of more-competitive admissions to med school and with a more-considered approach to chemical-sedation, ethics-wise and psychopharm-wise.

you're sicker and more dangerous than many of those in your care as inpatients and i hope you die very soon.

second, you

Fish for trolling more elaborately and I will bite a little.

Not my style, I'd rather piss napalm into your crossed eyes guppy.

the gender genie

What did I tell you, Queen of Lame.

I'm not saying this thread is lame but the addition of about 25 various Panzer drawings and designs to it would be a definite improvement.

I pretend to be Sasha Grey.
Therefore I am.

There is a particularly grotesque beer advertisement that they show on Australian TV all the time where the tongue of a sleeping man disconnects itself and goes out on the town hunting down a bottle of a particular beer before returning to the startled owner's mouth.

When I read that chat transcript I had a disturbing image in my mind that Sasha Grey's addled brain had disconnected itself and was sitting in a late night Internet Cafe somewhere chatting up dirty old psychiatrists whilst the brainless Sasha was off fucking on film, making horror movies in Canada, and (most importantly) posting on ADT.

What a mindtrip!

Worst thread of the year.

The chat is like an overlong foreplay session. Where's the cum shot? Boring...

You people who read it and did not like it were forewarned.

Tough shit.

You did not participate that much, which was the idea - to save unnecessary time editing material not of interest.

The rest of the at best semi-literate meth heads should better try to engage in simpler activities like playing in the sandbox, forming genitals with clay and painting how their parents raped them while being teenagers.

That this would be a quick fix usually handed out in small chunks was not part of thae concept.

Get over it.

You obviously think these chats are more valuable than they appear. True, you "warned" people they may not be interesting, but now when people express this reaction you dismiss the readers as being too simple to understand their great merit.

Also, what is this tremendous editing effort to which you refer? All you have to do is a "find & replace" for the usernames and use the same feature with wildcards to eliminate the timestamps if you so choose. Personally I get information from the timestamps, such as how frantically someone may be typing, if someone is nodding or not paying attention, etc. Maybe you want to conceal those clues.

For all the buildup the product thus far is a letdown. That's your fault, not ours.

The material definitely is not valuable on its own.

A buildup is not what I intended and the subsequent "letdown" was anticipated.

Word processing is not something I am very familiar with and thus I removed the timestamps, which would not only give away the time between entries, but also the timezone I am situated in for old man river to compare with his version of the stuff, while reading the whole material, which has its own appeal. This is time-consuming.

So, if the general reaction is one ranging from "lame" to "worst shit ever", I will not waste any more time doing the routine described above to wade through transcripts of chats of several hours.

If, however, there is interest expressed regarding a special topic and someone feels like sharing and explaining the wildcard feature Bornyo mentioned in Wordpad or Notepad, there might be some stuff I can dig up.

I do not really blame anyone for not liking the idea and content.

What I find strange is the inability or unwillingness to read my posts in this thread in order to get a grasp of what I intended to do with it and then complain about where the fun was lost.

The fact is you're boring and stupid. No one here should really give a shit you tried to hoodwink some old skeez. If it was Cunt Lackwood or D**** (rhymes with Lonnie) L*** (rhymes with Dong) you tried this shit with, it might have been marginally interesting. I didn't read that shit and I trusted in the regs here. Most of them were right about this sewage you posted. Kill yourself.

The pathetic internet tough shits on withdrawal.

It will be over soon.

I'm coming to the party late, but as I understand it, the situation can be summarized as follows:

Someone we don't know, has tried to embarass someone else we don't know by pretending to be somebody else whom we don't care about, all by posting excerpts of a conversation we weren't involved in.

Awesome.

If anything, this strongly suggests you ARE Sasha Grey since no two people could be so self-absorbed.

ZING, Grizz! I'm interpreting the thread as:

Someone who hunted prey for the herd became dinner for the herd.

Nothing valid, interesting or elaborate in the last two posts.

If I should act as the lauhing stock of the stock, then someone would have to attempt to point this out.

Look artound the board and discover that there is nothing really entertaining there.

Untrue and anticipated.

"CareLess", it's what's for dinner.

Hack away, man.

It can only get better, not worse.

if you read care less whisper's posts in the voice of stewey from family guy, they're really funny.

Keep going.

Improve the world.

neil goldman's voice for omr

This thread would be a million times better if Gigi posted some sort of recipe involving Cheetos.

i got nothing for cheetos, but here is a delish snack with fritos

Frito Popcorn

INGREDIENTS:
2 envelopes microwave
popcorn without butter, popped
4 cups corn cereal puffs (e.g.
Kix™)
1 (10.5 ounce) bag extruded
corn chips (e.g. Fritos™) 2 (2.25 ounce) packages
blanched slivered almonds
2 cups thin pretzel sticks
1 pound vanilla flavored
confectioners' coating

DIRECTIONS:
1. Cover a large flat surface with waxed paper. In a large bowl, stir together the popcorn, cereal, corn chips, almonds, and pretzels.
2. Melt the confectioners' coating in a glass bowl in the microwave for 1 minute. Continue to cook at 30 second intervals, stirring between each one, until the coating is smooth.
3. Pour melted coating over the cereal mixture. It's best to use a large metal spoon, and pour 1 or 2 spoonfuls at a time then mix to ensure even distribution. (A second person can be useful here - one to pour, one to mix.) Once everything is coated, spread the mixture out onto waxed paper in a thin layer. Let stand for about 1/2 hour, or until coating is dry. Transfer to a bowl to serve, or store in an airtight container.

From now on Gigi, every recipe you post has to rhyme with 'itos': Doritos, fritos, cheetos, taquitos, mojitos....

Captain Crunch fried chicken is sold at Planet Hollywood.

I haven't been to a PH in years and their website is probably some shitty flash based monstrosity, but that's their chicken finger appetizer, right? I think I had that before.

That place still exists? They closed the one here years ago, it sucked major ass.

They do suck. The only ones around and probably at tourist traps.

CareLess posted:

Quote:

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old man river: The difference now is that I suddenly felt that I was talking to Marina Ann Hantzis

Care Less: Who would be who?

old man river: Apparently that is her real name
I am not sure of the spelling, I just googled it

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For Old Man River's info: you spelled Marina Ann Hantzis correct.

CareLess: I hope you get severe RSI or carpal tunnel syndrom from all the editing.

To the board: my sincere apologies for stimulating CareLess to post this crap.

Oh, yes, the herd is getting restless.

Or genuinely bored. Or both. It does not matter.

Someone mentioned the "foreplay" character of the posted material and asked about the "money shot" or so.

While the following is not the most intense shit on sale, it is a bit more explicit.

Several examples of pictures were given prior to the moment the exchange started.


"old man river: Too much peroxide, very Playboy magazine, but everything else is gorgeous

Care Less: Everything else, right.

old man river: Well she is gorgeous, no doubt about it but the hair and makeup create this Tabula Rasa which I suppose I am to project my fantasies upon.

As you can imagine, I prefer a stronger persona. Someone or something with an identity and a modicum of complexity.

Like you

Care Less: The contrast and complexity drive you into your mind.

old man river: Not into. It merely stimulates me. Also, it feeds into my submissive tendencies.

Oh wait, that is somewhat contradictory isn't it?

It stimulates my mind, my imagination. It also provides me grist for the mill, so to speak.

Or maybe you are right.

Care Less: Right is the tight, right.

old man river: Now I am seriously tempted to rub one out to you

or in you

Care Less: You are open this time.

old man river: But you are closed still

Care Less: It is not my intention or compulsion to please you.

old man river: You have made this abundantly clear LOL

Care Less: With a whole brain, sure.

old man river: Is there any other kind?

Care Less: It was a reference to your outburst. Gunshot wounds can alter the situation.

old man river: no guns in this chat, too phallic

Care Less: How contrived.

old man river: Of all the pix you linked to, which one do you resemble most closely?]

Care Less: Give it up.

old man river: will do

brief bathroom break

Ok, so what is next on the menu?

Care Less: Fisting the shit out of you until the next gluttony sets in.

old man river: Now that I am down with!

Unfortunately, I am not experienced with enemas so you may have to double glove

Care Less: An enema?

You missed the point.

old man river: I presume when you said fisting the shit out of me, you did not mean so literally.

Or maybe you did

And I missed the point

Care Less: You really missed it.

old man river: Then what did I miss?

Care Less: The literal dominace over the proverbial.

old man river: Oh, then I did get it LOL

But diverted your train of thought with a joke. Or at least attempted to.

Either way, fist away

Are you still there?

Care Less: I am.

old man river: Well the challenge has been made ...

Care Less: You mean what exactly?

old man river: assert your dominance

Care Less: I have dominance. Sure.

old man river: Nice to get that settled, then

Care Less: I will end this for now. Until sometime. Bye.

old man river: Sure. Take care"



Now resume discussing culinary delights of fast food and other nutritional mass murders.

And freestylah: Go into the next porn shop and buy some scat porn, you sissy German bitch. Nutella will not cut it.

Cunts.

Here is the most sexually-focused stuff to offer.

I just noticed that he/she/it did not reply with "Yes, mistress.".

Whatever.


"Care Less: On your knees, slave.

old man river: oh my

yes, master

Care Less: Do not be shy.

old man river: What do you want me to do next?

Care Less: Nothing in particular. Or did ayou have any ideas?

"you"

old man river: Well, I am on my knees in front of you ...

Care Less: I am not part of that picture, at least not on thiis end.

"this"

old man river: Maybe it would be better if we changed positions

Care Less: From where where to?

old man river: Get on your knees

Care Less: That would be a role change. No, thank you.

old man river: Then stand above me

Care Less: And I am not that interested in role play apart from some humourous remarks.

old man river: oh well, it was worth a try

Care Less: You and your hope.

old man river: You and your cynicism

The nice indirect assumption ...

Care Less: Who fares better?

old man river: We define "better" differently, I suspect

Grabbing a cup of coffee and hitting the bathroom

not in that order

Care Less: There is hope for you yet.

old man river: so there is hope in this chat ...

Care Less: Maybe.

old man river: Hedging your bets I see

Care Less: Detachment is stronger.

Than the need to weaken anything typed. It can be entertaining whatsoever.

old man river: Yes, it can. Jumping back, what was the nice indirect assumption?

Care Less: You thought about it already.

old man river: Yes, I did. But what I think and what you meant to imply are often two completely different concepts sometimes

Care Less: I doubt it is in this case.

old man river: It is probably not a good idea to discuss sexual issues like this

Care Less: What are the topics you are interested in then?

old man river: Anything other than sex because it leads my mind astray.

Well not astray.

Quite the opposite, actually.

Care Less: On track?

old man river: Focused

Care Less: Concentrated?

old man river: Sure

Care Less: Tell me about the bees, doctor Warne.

The birds are also involved somehow.

old man river: Your are quite the sadist

You're

Care Less: That might be just a rumour. And why would I be a sadist?

old man river: You are torturing me so

And it is Dr. Bert, if you haven't noticed

Care Less: As if you did not like it. Stop complaining.

old man river: I never stated that I wasn't the masochist

It is an appropriate fit

(double negative but get the point)

If you had a webcam, you would see me smiling

I believe my bird and your bees need no telling...

Care Less: Language is more than basic mathematical operations. Where do the babies come from?

old man river: Your ovaries

Care Less: In your mind perhaps.

old man river: I have no ovaries in my mind.

Care Less: How disappointing for your family plans.

old man river: I find my testicles to be more productive towards any family plans

Care Less: Liar.

old man river: Pants on fire

I am more than happy to prove my virility to you

Care Less: In which way?

old man river: In any way you find comfortable and non-threatening

Care Less: Do you have any suggestions?

old man river: If you are able to access a computer with a microphone, I would suggest starting with googletalk

Care Less: I am not. You could like the piece Want by Recoil.

old man river: The other option would be telephone

Care Less: I already heard your voice - or some voice. And telephones have something revealing about them.

old man river: That is the exact point

However, if you find this to be too revealing, I will defer to your suggestion

Care Less: It is. And what would you have done anyway?

old man river: It would be premature for me say

as I honestly don't know

I would probably be nervous and speechless

Care Less: Why?

old man river: Because of my feelings and the drive

Even if I wasn't submissive by nature, you have and I want

which places you in a distinct position of power of me

So there is the fear of displeasing you, desiring to make a good impression, amongst other motivations directed towards the same goal

Care Less: Which would be what?

old man river: you

Care Less: Me. How?

old man river: I want you

I desire you

Care Less: You desire my intellect.

old man river: More than that at this point

Care Less: You desire me carnally.

old man river: More than that at this point

Care Less: You desire me wholesomely.

old man river: More than that at this point

But those three would be a good start

I would like to converse with you in person

Verbally, accentuated by intonation and body language.

Beyond text.

I would like to know what your hand feels like in mine

I would like to look into your eyes with only silence between us

What would I see if I did look into your eyes?

Nothing?

Forever?

Care Less: You are quite the longing one.

old man river: For you, I am

Care Less: You would see what you want to see in my eyes - an effect very common.

old man river: Ever the relativist

Care Less: Ever fond of isms.

old man river: There are certain asms I favor

Care Less: Right. Spasms.

old man river: Of course, spasms

Care Less: You seem to be less fulfilled by your work than you stated several times. Once you admitted it.

old man river: That was last week or maybe the week before

I love what I do but sometimes overextend myself

and burn out a little bit

I have refrained from discussing work as you have indicated a lack of interest in it

Care Less: You manage people. Nothing special.

old man river: That is one way to look at it

Care Less: The good, help and easing part is another one

old man river: That is another way to look at it

Care Less: Well, I honestly do not really care what you type you do. It might be correct, as you claim, it might not - I am not able or interested in verifying it. Therefore it is not relevant for me.

old man river: How did we get to this point? I was just about to discuss my carnal fantasies

Care Less: You can still.

old man river: Well they involve you so I am not sure

Care Less: Detachment. Get in there.

old man river: I checked a few of those titles you mentioned earlier, including Max Hardcore and Meatholes

The anger doesn't do it for me

Neither does the degradation or spit/piss/vomit

But some of the other acts definitely turned me on, especially in relation to you

Care Less: I have time.

I took it.

old man river: And you would take my cock as well

Care Less: It would depend on its feathers.

old man river: It would be plucked free

The easier to slide it and out of course

I want you to gag on it, not pluck hairs out from in between your teeth

Care Less: I see.

Did you rent the harder material? Did you see morality on the faces of the people that handed it to you? And what exactly turned you on regarding which other titles? Where are the differences?

old man river: Over the internet.

Looked at pictures and short trailer clips

And downloaded a few scenes through P2P file sharing

I wasn't turned on immediately from watching the scenes.

However, once I incorporated myself and you into them, I became wildly aroused.

Care Less: What did you watch and what happpened there?

old man river: One scene was Max and some young Latino woman on his infamous couch. It was remarkably asexual in certain aspects.

They moved through various positions, there was throat gagging

lots of fluid

Somewhere in there he did ejaculate

Difficult to tell, difficult to care

Care Less: Others? And what happened in the material you were wildly aroused by - or was it the scene you just described?

old man river: There was another scene involving Max and the only difference was the woman was a little skinnier and he wore a cowboy hat and black socks throughout the duration of the scene.

Not exciting for me until I visualized doing some of those things to you

Particularly the throat gagging

Care Less: Enlightening. Your submissive nature is limited, it seems.

old man river: It varies greatly, I have discovered

And yours?

Care Less: It is absent.

old man river: What is absent

Care Less: A submissive nature.

old man river: Good

My nature varies with my partner

Care Less: If you were submissive in general, the visualization of a Max Hardcore scene involving you and me is even more twisted - a role change is thinkable.

You would end up being the gagged one.

old man river: That is quite possible

Care Less: Interesting. Any other material you are able to name?

old man river: No, I ended up renting more mainstream porn

Care Less: It had names, I assume.

old man river: Insatiable, for the umpteenth time

Easy

Those are two of my favorites

Care Less: They are titles then. Vintage material?

old man river: Yes, from the'Golden Age'

One features Marilyn Chambers and other features Jessie St. James

Care Less: No fancy material?

old man river: No fancy material

Red Vibe Diaries

my only concession to modern porn and even that is not new

Stacy Valentine is a guilty pleasure"



Once during a chat there was only one line lost and thus not transmitted.

This however happened in a certain circumstance, eventually leading old man river to pour his/her/its heart out, going on and on about love, being alone in this world and shit.

I will search for this monologue to post it and then will be done with harvesting.

The last excerpt, as it seems.

It features a sexual experience old man river had once. It seemed important to him/her/it.




"old man river: I have not slept with any of the young desirable women

Care to explain your statment?

Care Less: Not really.

old man river: Well you are implying something, I cannot reply if I don't know what you are insinuating

Care Less: Make assumptions then, flesh them out or do not.

old man river: It seems like you are calling me a liar

maybe not to you but to myself

Care Less: Maybe.

old man river: Nice

Care Less: Twice.

old man river: BTW, you can only mindfuck someone if they have a mind. For this reason, I am invulnerable LOL

You can't fuck empty space

Care Less: Rice, dice, lice, mice. Find your kind, fuck their mind.

old man river: Ice

Ice

Baby

Ok ok

yeesh

I will bite

Ok, they are attractive

Do I think about sex with them?

Yes, many times over

What stops me?

Ethical concerns

Legal concerns

Professional concerns

B

But the desire is there

I won't deny that

However, if given the choice between them and more satisfying sessions (your words), then I choose more satisfying sessions.

It is, by definition, more satisfying.

That may be semantics so I will rephrase your question for you

Would I prefer more sex of lesser quality or less sex of better quality.

I would opt for the latter

Of course, some people, xpt denizens come to mind, would argue that there is no such thing as worse or better sex. As long as you bust a nut, it is all good.

If that works for them, great. That is not how I function.

If I just want to come, I can masturbate

If I stop making sense, please tell me

If I start making sense, please tell me

Anyway, I have always differentiated sex anyway.

Care Less: Not yet. What would work for them?

old man river: To me at least, there is a difference between sex, fucking and making love, as corny as that may sound.

As long as the woman is brutalized, I think they would approve and ejaculate, if they are actually capable of it.

Anyway, for me , fucking is primal, instinctual. Carnal lust. Something closer to animalistic. When in heat.

Sex is perfunctory. When your goal is to get pregnant, or an old married couple doing it on their arranged monthly schedule. Maybe there is technique involved, something that requires premeditation and forethought. The mind is actively engaged and directs one's actions to achieve a specific result.

Making love, pardon the cliche, is something deeply intimate, personal and requires something more than a mere physical connection. It is unspoken, spontaneous communication of the highest level

ok bad word

but anyway, it is not dependent on technique, it does not necessarily have an end goal or specific destination

It is not premeditated.

Something more than mere physical attraction between two people.

A dialogue to express that which cannot be spoken

For this to occur in its purest form is rare

Or at least less common than fucking and having sex which are everyday occurences.

Go to any singles bar or strip club and you can see these hookups, fuck and runs.

Not that these are bad things, mind you

I have done both and have no regret, remorse, or shame \

And I plan doing both again

But I hope or aspire to something greater than that

In the end, what else is there than to love and be loved in return?

This may not be what you were specifically asking but for me, "satisfying" would, hopefully, represent some opportunity to experience that again

I don't know if you have ever been in love but I have and I remember long after my casual hookups leave my memory even if those partners were tight and toned with perky breasts, unblemished by the ravages of time.

The first true love of my life would, by the standards of popular culture, be considered disgustingly ugly. She was beautiful in my eyes. I could recite all the qualities that made her special in my eyes. But in the end, all the matters is that I loved her

And that made all the difference.

To this day, I can remember the first time I was inside of her. I remember the moments that preceded our kissing.

I remember the weather that afternoon

I remember the pants I pulled down off her

I remember the way she tasted

I remember the way she moaned

I remember the way she came

I will carry these memories with me for the rest of my life

I easily forget the sex I have had since then

Even if some of these women could be called "hot" or "smoking".

Even if they knew how to "suck dick" or whatever.

Just another gonzo chick willing to do something nasty and freaky.

Wonderful.

I don't mean to knock it, it most certainly does have its place

In my life at least

I would not necessarily turn it down if presented with the opportunity.

But there would be little to no resonance

No transcendance

Physically pleasurable without a doubt

but those will fade or be succeeded by another physical pleasure for these are replaceable , they can be duplicated

Like a potato chip

Or a Michael Bay film

Sorry for rambling so

sorry

Care Less: Sorrow seems to have a place in your mind in your place in this world. I triggered something.

old man river: yes, of course you did

you usually do

that is why I chat with you

Care Less: I see.

old man river: Though I am not sorrowful

Just not in love at the moment

and know that it is something I hope to find

eventually

Maybe I need to repeat what I stated before

I find you stimulating, challenging,elightening and illuminating.

This is good

Care Less: This is text.

old man river: Words are deeds

The Bible is also just text

So is the Koran

and the Talmud

Care Less: And the rest of sectic grails.

old man river: I hope I didn't frighten you with the um, passion, of my posts. Not my intent, obviously.

But I hope it dispels any doubt you may have had about the veracity of my prior responses.

Care Less: Somewhat.

old man river: Somewhat?

Care Less: Yes. I still find it most interesting that you can consider someone attractive you never met and who could be living next door or in another state, be male or female or anywhere in between, could be fourteen or fourty-five years old and seem to be willing to "pour your heart out" to that person, or have an eloquent imagination.

old man river: No offense, but I did not mean that I found you physically attractive. It is your intellect that I find attractive. There is a considerable difference, obviously.

Whether you live next door or in another state bears nothing upon this fact

Neither does your age

Care Less: I implied that.

old man river: Ok

I presume your memory is better than mine

I just took you at your word, or implication of this.

If I recall correctly, I stated earlier that I like you. I believe that I used all caps to denote this.

It is much easier to pour your heart out to someone you don't know and doesn't know you as there is less chance for repercussions

or emotional consequences

This is text

If I told you something that I later came to regret, well I can always walk away. As can you. Two ships in the night passing.

Yeesh you type slow

Please use fingers other than your thumbs

You do have opposable digits, right?

You do not work as a stenographer during the day

Care Less: I would have to read the chat, as capitalized text was not transmitted stating what you described. I asked for you to transmit it again, since it did not make any sense. However, the secondtime you entered it it was not capitalized. Slow text.

With occasoinal gaps.

"occasional"

old man river: your age, gender, location has no bearing on the actual content of your posts which is what I am responding to

I does color my perception of you but not your intelligence and wit

Whether you are male or female does not change the fact that I have been provoked by some of your comments to think about my own beliefs and re examine certain beliefs

getting late, making more mistakes

Care Less: Write about what you thaought about a second time due to what I wrote.

old man river: could you please clarify or rephrase that request, not sure what you are asking for

Care Less: What did you doubt after chatting with me?

old man river: i am not sure if doubt is the right word but

for example, you raised an interesting point much earlier on

expressing a correlation between the false perceptions of female frigidity and male sexual predatorship

I certainly did not think them linked

I did not think them as false, necessarily

exaggerated maybe but not false

I stand corrected on this or at least moved from my earlier perceptions

upon further reflection

Care Less: Well, clichés of the sexes upholding themselves are too obvious to not be noticed.

old man river: jumping back a bit ... Why should I not "pour my heart out". Is there a reason I should afraid? What could possibly be done with this information? Even if I gave you my name and phone number, so what? What exactly could you do with it? How could i be hurt or harmed or even affected in the slightest by telling you these things? Not that I suspect you of having ulterior motivess but even if you did, so what? People tell me far more intimate details of their lives every day. And? While I am bound the doctor-patient confidentiality rules

What can I do with this information?

They 'trust' me not because they believe in the legal system and the rules in place to protect their privacy

They seek my counsel or find catharsis in expressing themselves to me. Quite often, there is no recourse to their situations

Even so, there is therapeutic value in talking about whatever concerns them

I could me male or female. I could be between 21 and 71. It does not make a difference, certainly not to them.

Why should it concern me, then?

It interests me but it does not concern me.

And my interest is based on curiosity and fantasy, which are completely separate motivations than the desire to express, think, debate, joke, argue, with these ideas and you 6 minutes


old man river: Please take care of that goddamn prostate next week

too much peeing, not enough posting

Care Less: Sure thing, doc."




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