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Gotta put in a word for John and Karen Stagliano since he is facing Federal persecution. Don't know 'em, but for the Feds to have picked him as their target shows that the GOP will try to stamp out porn if they get half a chance.

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wow lance that IS impressive!
ten years is impressive for any couple
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To answer your question Patty:

-Alana and Chris Evans (Alana was married to a black guy before this!)
-Brianna Love and ??? (He is an agent in the biz and is BLACK. They have a daughter together. What a beautiful story. Brianna is awesome!)
-Nicole Sheridan and Voodoo (both performers. She only works with him, but Voodoo can bone other chicks)
-Mark [Sher]wood and Francesca Le (both producers & performers)
-Sophie Dee and Lee G. (Both performers, agents, and Lee G. is a BROTHER too! YES!!!)
-Katja Kassin and Sledgehammer (another IR marraige, but they are divorced now. Both performers)
-Vanessa Blue and John "pornlaw" Fatriosi (she performs and directs, he is an industry legal advisor)

-ChristianXXX and Lexi Belle
-ChristianXXX and Lovette
-ChristianXXX and Lisa Lipps
-ChristianXXX and Demi Della

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To answer your question Patty:

-Alana and Chris Evans (Alana was married to a black guy before this!)
-Brianna Love and ??? (He is an agent in the biz and is BLACK. They have a daughter together. What a beautiful IR story. Brianna is awesome!)
-Nicole Sheridan and Voodoo (both performers. She only works with him, but Voodoo can bone other chicks)
-Mark [Sher]Wood and Francesca Le (both producers & performers)
-Sophie Dee and Lee G. (Both performers, agents, and Lee G. is a BROTHER too! YES!!!)
-Katja Kassin and Sledgehammer (another IR marraige, but they are divorced now. Both performers)
-Vanessa Blue and John "pornlaw" Fatriosi (she performs and directs, he is an industry legal advisor)

-ChristianXXX and Lexi Belle
-ChristianXXX and Lovette
-ChristianXXX and Lisa Lipps
-ChristianXXX and Demi Della

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After the gym, Phoenix Marie wanted to see Drillbit Taylor (just for the record, I did not want to see this movie one iota, I want to see movies with substance). So she drove over to my place to go check it out. I hadn't hung out with her in a week, so it was good to see her again. But then she went and ruined it. Actually, she didn't ruin it, she is such a nice and friendly person that she didn't understand me when I asked her to do something.

There is another male performer in this business that LOVES to fuck porn girls off camera. He myspaces them and texts them, and is overly nice and friendly. This dude doesn't care if they are dating someone, or are married, or whatever. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing and you can't trust him at all. Once he gets his hooks into a girl, it never stops. I asked him kindly about a week ago to stop texting and myspacing Phoenix and evidently I wasn't clear enough. Because as soon as Phoenix walks in the door, she gets a fucking text from this dude, and HE IS ANSWERING A PREVIOUS TEXT FROM PHOENIX. I don't fucking understand, what part of a wolf in sheep's clothing doesn't she understand? I hate stress, and I hate losing my cool, but I was getting close since I was so tired from my scene and workout. This dude is supposedly seriously dating someone in the business, but he is texting Phoenix all the time? Seriously? I already know his fucking M.O. because he fucks about 10 different girls in the business off camera. And I know he reads my fucking blog, so when he plays dumb like he doesn't know that Phoenix and I hang out, I just laughed.

I didn't want to deal with the situation anymore, so I told Phoenix that I was tired (which I was) and that I was going to bed. She got upset and left. I just don't get people sometimes. This is why it is so much better to not get emotionally involved with other performers, it just never leads anywhere, and it causes stress. Did I mention I fucking HATE stress? Arghhhh.

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Keiran Lee is the best, this is a dude who supposedly has a girlfriend, and yet was CONSTANTLY texting the girl I was having dinner with last week, and then had the fucking nerve to argue with me about it. Am I texting and myspacing his girlfriend? And then he sent an email to Crystal Storm, and when I confronted him about that, he claimed he was trying to email Krystal Summers. Oh yeah, because their names are REALLY close. What a douche! He acts like I don't know that he myspaces, texts, and calls just about every girl in the business. And then has the nerve to tell people how happy he is with his girlfriend. The dude is a fucking joke and can't take it when I call him out on his boorish behavior. I could care less what girls he is scamming on, I just don't want him to scam on the girls that I am friends with while I am with them. It's disrespectful and going to come back to bite him in the ass one day.

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-Nicole Sheridan and Voodoo (both performers. She only works with him, but Voodoo can bone other chicks)

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A few quick questions. If a gay white man slept with a gay black man, would you call that an IR relationship? What if the races were reversed? If the gay white guy wasn't sexually attracted to black men would that make him a racist like you believe white chicks with the same feelings are?

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I beg to differ. Nicole has done several threesomes/DP's and even a few IR scenes. Not sure about you, but I don't know any man who can properly DP a broad by his lonesome or morph into a savage on command. Next time this might save the embarassment

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Yeah, Nicole did work with other guys before hooking up with Voodoo, even some IR.
P.S. - OK, so she does do some DPs with other guys while Voodoo is involved. Minor correction then.

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spoken with the humility of a true gentleman. i've always dug nicole's scenes myself. she's got the energy and the attitude most porn whores completely lack. and talk about a bitch who knows how to take a facial. christ, it's like she's getting ready to take a shower after being stranded in the backwoods of pennsylvania for weeks on end. i know how you XPTers love having examples cited so here you go. that oughtta keep you out of the missus's hair for a few minutes

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Look. I want to answer your questions, but I feel I've already done enough "damage" in this thread and I have made a pledge to do better. Any answer that may be forthcoming will be in a PM.

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mr. tone, i don't see any reason for your "pledge to do better." this is xpt, and they can smell a racist just like they can smell a faggot. from miles away. if there's one thing that riles folks, it's ignorance and faggotry.

you do know that you aren't actually derailing any threads, right? it's that you're forcing them to derail threads, because your every post must be dealt with. no exceptions. it demeans us all. this campaign against reverse-racism will not end until every one of you niggers gets it straight.

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Tritone...I'm an odd mix of Filipino, Irish, French, Spanish, and Seminole. EVERY relationship I have is IR.

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Tritone...I'm an odd mix of Filipino, Irish, French, Spanish, and Seminole. EVERY relationship I have is IR.

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When you see a black guy with a white woman - especially an attractive, fit white woman that even white guys would want - it gives you hope that if you make something of yourself, you CAN have the best things in life regardless of your color. Now we know this doesn't always ring true, but you must have faith in the ideal to sustain your march forward.

Its even better if the brother is not a famous entertainer or athlete, but is instead just a decent looking, articulate fellow who supports himself with a legitimate occupation.

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Then porn has done its job: convinced you of an implausible scenario. Before gonzo pretty much killed the flimsy setup for sex -- student staying after school, man working late in the office, pizza delivery guy, etc -- I was convinced that every office or small shop I went into there would be big-titted, horny young things ready to pounce on me and fuck me silly.

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OK guys. Of course I understand that there are other types of Interracial relationships besides the black man / white woman.

Its just that my focus has been on the most controversial and "taboo" of the IR pairings --- black male with white/asian/hispanic/indian woman.

When you see a black guy with a white woman - especially an attractive, fit white woman that even white guys would want - it gives you hope that if you make something of yourself, you CAN have the best things in life regardless of your color. Now we know this doesn't always ring true, but you must have faith in the ideal to sustain your march forward.

Its even better if the brother is not a famous entertainer or athlete, but is instead just a decent looking, articulate fellow who supports himself with a legitimate occupation.

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Vanessa left the flock, but that's OK. She's always given the brothers a fair shake and was even married to Lex Steele. I wish her happiness in wherever love takes her.

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Wow, Tricia. I just sent you a nice pm about wishing you guys luck on your case and then I see this? Such a far cry from sticking up for me in this thread in shitlist





When I was talent and was offered IR scenes, there was never any price offered. No dollar amount was ever brought up. They asked if I wanted to do IR, I declined, and that was that.

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But if a black guy dates a white girl that isnt fat or disgusting to white guys, he has some how moved up in life.

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OK guys. Of course I understand that there are other types of Interracial relationships besides the black man / white woman.

Its just that my focus has been on the most controversial and "taboo" of the IR pairings --- black male with white/asian/hispanic/indian woman.

When you see a black guy with a white woman - especially an attractive, fit white woman that even white guys would want - it gives you hope that if you make something of yourself, you CAN have the best things in life regardless of your color. Now we know this doesn't always ring true, but you must have faith in the ideal to sustain your march forward.

Its even better if the brother is not a famous entertainer or athlete, but is instead just a decent looking, articulate fellow who supports himself with a legitimate occupation.

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...legitimate occupation.

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And pornlaw's name is Michael Fattorosi, not "John Fatriosi."

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At this rate, he could be Joe Satriani by the end of the week...

And, from a real lawyer to a fake psychoanalyst, I hereby announce to the world my new discovery in the realm of male psychosexual dysfunction: 'Negrophallocentricism' or 'Tritone syndrome'.

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Gia - I called out tritone in the ADT thread because, in my opinion, he was going way beyond what was necessary to make his point.

As I kind of did last night. I'm sorry I got so sarcastic - any of our mutual friends can tell you what a button pusher this subject is for me. You had every right to choose not to work with someone just because they're black. I also have the right to disagree with the idea of singling people out based on race.

With some porn girls... I just ignore this subject because I just chalk them up to being naive, or taking the advice of others. I've always thought of you as confident and intelligent, and so this subject bothers me more when it comes to you.
Read my PM back to you please.

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It recalls a time when Snowball of X to the minus-one used to battle/play with his late brother RedMan Clyde.





I miss RedMan.

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So glad i don't live in america, the victim mentality from the blacks is ridiculous.
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So glad i don't live in america, the victim mentality from the blacks is ridiculous.

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And, from a real lawyer to a fake psychoanalyst, I hereby announce to the world my new discovery in the realm of male psychosexual dysfunction: 'Negrophallocentricism' or 'Tritone syndrome'.

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I love that picture, thank u, Im steaing it.

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Wow, Tricia. I just sent you a nice pm about wishing you guys luck on your case and then I see this? Such a far cry from sticking up for me in this thread in shitlist





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Gia - I called out tritone in the ADT thread because, in my opinion, he was going way beyond what was necessary to make his point.

As I kind of did last night. I'm sorry I got so sarcastic - any of our mutual friends can tell you what a button pusher this subject is for me. You had every right to choose not to work with someone just because they're black. I also have the right to disagree with the idea of singling people out based on race.

With some porn girls... I just ignore this subject because I just chalk them up to being naive, or taking the advice of others. I've always thought of you as confident and intelligent, and so this subject bothers me more when it comes to you.
Read my PM back to you please.

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Trish do you ever sit around and thing "Boy, I sure am a fucking moron."

Are you seriously sitting around spinning your wheels and thinking about how it's unfortunate that Gia is close-minding and didn't wanna fuck black guys in porn??

I mean, are you so smallminded and uneducated that you can't realize the bigger question that you need to as is "Why did Gia fuck ANY people in porn?"

I mean seriously Trish, what does porn give these girls? Are you too stupid and self-important to realize it gives them absolutely nothing? Nothing other than STDs perhaps. I mean look at yourself for Christ's sake, you have AIDS you dumb bitch.

If you didn't have the foresight to attach your mouth to the cock of the industries richest and biggest tranny-addict where would you be? Seriously Trish, where?

What has Gia really benefited from porn? She has some photography jobs? Did it make her life a gravy train? Maybe she shoulda married Jules Jordan. Oh wait, he makes his GF fuck trains of black people so he can be a cuckold and jack off in the corner like the closet homo he probably is too.

Wake up trish and recognize that porn doesn't give these girls much if anything at all, and to argue the gray lines like "oh you didn't do interracial" is patently obsurd.

Gia, maybe you'd be president of the New York Stock Exchange or a fortune 500 CEO if you'd only eaten Brian Pumper's cum. Ah, missed opportunities.

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Gia - I called out tritone in the ADT thread because, in my opinion, he was going way beyond what was necessary to make his point.

As I kind of did last night. I'm sorry I got so sarcastic - any of our mutual friends can tell you what a button pusher this subject is for me. You had every right to choose not to work with someone just because they're black. I also have the right to disagree with the idea of singling people out based on race.

With some porn girls... I just ignore this subject because I just chalk them up to being naive, or taking the advice of others. I've always thought of you as confident and intelligent, and so this subject bothers me more when it comes to you.
Read my PM back to you please.

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Trish do you ever sit around and thing "Boy, I sure am a fucking moron."

Are you seriously sitting around spinning your wheels and thinking about how it's unfortunate that Gia is close-minding and didn't wanna fuck black guys in porn??

I mean, are you so smallminded and uneducated that you can't realize the bigger question that you need to as is "Why did Gia fuck ANY people in porn?"

I mean seriously Trish, what does porn give these girls? Are you too stupid and self-important to realize it gives them absolutely nothing? Nothing other than STDs perhaps. I mean look at yourself for Christ's sake, you have AIDS you dumb bitch.

If you didn't have the foresight to attach your mouth to the cock of the industries richest and biggest tranny-addict where would you be? Seriously Trish, where?

What has Gia really benefited from porn? She has some photography jobs? Did it make her life a gravy train? Maybe she shoulda married Jules Jordan. Oh wait, he makes his GF fuck trains of black people so he can be a cuckold and jack off in the corner like the closet homo he probably is too.

Wake up trish and recognize that porn doesn't give these girls much if anything at all, and to argue the gray lines like "oh you didn't do interracial" is patently obsurd.

Gia, maybe you'd be president of the New York Stock Exchange or a fortune 500 CEO if you'd only eaten Brian Pumper's cum. Ah, missed opportunities.

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Ive been pretty quiet about this IR stuff, because I dont want to be labled another tritione, but I cant fuckin take it anymore.

Jamesn is an obvious racist, calls black people niggers and inferior, posts links to hate sites, and no one cares...he gets a free pass, but tritone questions someone who wont do IR, and you call him a racist? Are you fucking kidding me?

I dont think anyone needs to be reminded of the fact they are hiv positive. Im sure she has not forgotten. That is just completely uncalled for.

Both comments about tricia and tritone are outrageous.
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right?
i like the posters here
even the dicks
they make me laugh
but yall got ADD about interacial
the op was about porn relationships that work
and then it just degenerated
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That's an interesting point, H2C.

On Saturday I'll be reciting the following line:

"Once we were slaves unto Pharoah in Egypt."

Somehow we Jews survived.


There's no need to forgot American slavery. In fact, I think we need to remember it. But, there's no need to dwell on it as much as is done.

It's been a long time since slavery and I'd guess that almost all of the posters on this board are too young to have been directly impacted by Jim Crow segregation [which I believe is the source of America's racial problems, NOT slavery, but anyway ...].

How many Americans even have a blood relative who had anything to do with American black slavery or Jim Crow anyway? So many are Central American natives or Asian. A great many whites are descended from immigrants who came after the Civil War and had to deal with discriminations against their own groups.

I'm more than willing to fully recall slavery and Jim Crow. I validate all of the needless horrors they inflicted on people solely because of the color of their skin. But, I will not allow that memory to be used to mask failings of people who did not directly suffer. It's time to be responsible for one's own actions.

The people who engaged in slavery are all gone.
The people who enacted the Jim Crow laws are all gone.
The people who enforced these laws are slowly dying off.

Who's left to blame who was actually responsible?

My great-great-grandfather whose name I carry was killed in front of my great-great-grandmother and my 13/14-year-old great-grandmother while they were being raped by some Ukrainian thugs during one of the countless pogroms of 1905.

I don't see how I could find Gunker or Gigi responsible for this.

So, I don't see why I or anyone in my family is responsible for the plight of blacks.

Grow the fuck up.




Sorry for this rambling rant. Recently to stiffle a rant I've posted bunny pics. I think I'm going to return to that strategy.

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On Saturday I'll be reciting the following line:

"Once we were slaves unto Pharoah in Egypt."

Somehow we Jews survived.


There's no need to forgot American slavery. In fact, I think we need to remember it. But, there's no need to dwell on it as much as is done.

It's been a long time since slavery and I'd guess that almost all of the posters on this board are too young to have been directly impacted by Jim Crow segregation [which I believe is the source of America's racial problems, NOT slavery, but anyway ...].

How many Americans even have a blood relative who had anything to do with American black slavery or Jim Crow anyway? So many are Central American natives or Asian. A great many whites are descended from immigrants who came after the Civil War and had to deal with discriminations against their own groups.

I'm more than willing to fully recall slavery and Jim Crow. I validate all of the needless horrors they inflicted on people solely because of the color of their skin. But, I will not allow that memory to be used to mask failings of people who did not directly suffer. It's time to be responsible for one's own actions.

The people who engaged in slavery are all gone.
The people who enacted the Jim Crow laws are all gone.
The people who enforced these laws are slowly dying off.

Who's left to blame who was actually responsible?

My great-great-grandfather whose name I carry was killed in front of my great-great-grandmother and my 13/14-year-old great-grandmother while they were being raped by some Ukrainian thugs during one of the countless pogroms of 1905.

I don't see how I could find Gunker or Gigi responsible for this.

So, I don't see why I or anyone in my family is responsible for the plight of blacks.

Grow the fuck up.




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everyone should stop expecting black people to contribute to society in a positive way just because his or her ancient ancestors once bought and sold them.

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That's an interesting point, H2C.

On Saturday I'll be reciting the following line:

"Once we were slaves unto Pharoah in Egypt."

Somehow we Jews survived.


There's no need to forgot American slavery. In fact, I think we need to remember it. But, there's no need to dwell on it as much as is done.

It's been a long time since slavery and I'd guess that almost all of the posters on this board are too young to have been directly impacted by Jim Crow segregation [which I believe is the source of America's racial problems, NOT slavery, but anyway ...].

How many Americans even have a blood relative who had anything to do with American black slavery or Jim Crow anyway? So many are Central American natives or Asian. A great many whites are descended from immigrants who came after the Civil War and had to deal with discriminations against their own groups.

I'm more than willing to fully recall slavery and Jim Crow. I validate all of the needless horrors they inflicted on people solely because of the color of their skin. But, I will not allow that memory to be used to mask failings of people who did not directly suffer. It's time to be responsible for one's own actions.

The people who engaged in slavery are all gone.
The people who enacted the Jim Crow laws are all gone.
The people who enforced these laws are slowly dying off.

Who's left to blame who was actually responsible?

My great-great-grandfather whose name I carry was killed in front of my great-great-grandmother and my 13/14-year-old great-grandmother while they were being raped by some Ukrainian thugs during one of the countless pogroms of 1905.

I don't see how I could find Gunker or Gigi responsible for this.

So, I don't see why I or anyone in my family is responsible for the plight of blacks.

Grow the fuck up.




Sorry for this rambling rant. Recently to stiffle a rant I've posted bunny pics. I think I'm going to return to that strategy.

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By your logic we shouldn't acknowledge the 4th of July. All those White men that founded this great nation are dead. White man logic is to acknowledge all the good things of the past that allow us to live in this country, but ignore the bad.

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WRONG. Read the BOLD. I said we should acknowledge slavery and Jim Crow. We should acknowledge everything our predecessors did incorrectly. I've felt for years that we should dump MLK day and make it a day that recognizes ALL of America's misteps.

We should acknowledge the genocide of the native americans. We should acknowledge the exclusion laws implemented against asians. etc etc etc The list is quite long.

We should not and MUST NOT forget our past - GOOD and BAD. We must learn from it.

Like when I celebrate July 4th, I recall what it achieved, and what it failed to achieve. I always read Frederick Douglass' Rochester speech, ""This Fourth of July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn."

But, we must not allow these unfortunate events to be used to excuse irresponsibility.



I CANNOT permit a person to blame the historic past misdeeds against groups for his/her current individual shortcomings.

If you aren't making it and want someone to blame - LOOK IN THE MIRROR. The culprit that's denying you your rightful place will magically appear.

I don't know how that trick works. Magic is fucking amazing!

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Both the donkey punch and the jackoff banana graemlins are still there.

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I CANNOT permit a person to blame the historic past misdeeds against groups for his/her current individual shortcomings.

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you're killing me here, fatman. your argument hinges on the assertion that racism is ended, that it's no longer a thing we need to worry about in our brave new world. race-based discrimination is not a thing that holds people back anymore, and on the off chance that a freakish anomaly does occur, that our collective sense of righteousness will correct the problem, if only it is brought to our attention. (who's attention do you mean, by the way? i have to assume you're talking about white people here. judge joe brown, maybe?)

ideology is not a conspiracy, which makes it even more insidious. there is no secret cabal of old white men sitting in a room manipulating things to keep the black man down. it would be so much easier if it was. society itself is set up to perpetuate these ideas. we all grow up in the same america, and we all receive the same messages. it's extremely difficult to break out of the roles we are assigned to play. it's scary and uncomfortable to leave these comfort zones. (if you've seen the episode of the wire where bunny takes namond and them to the fancy restaurant) it feels wrong, because everything we've learned our whole life tells us who we are. (this is why, i'm sure, hav2cit can't even begin to fathom my argument. it goes against common sense- think of the example he brought up about black men coming out of college or prison, or why 50 cent or akon could be defined as "real", when all their so-called "realness" probably only relates to some white record executive's idea of what black people are "really like") try to imagine being black and everything you see around you, every single day of your life, tells you that you are nothing. black people are necessarily defined as "other" in american society. as in, not the norm, not the ideal. nothing. why do you think clueless white kids latch onto black popular culture? because it's other. it's a game for them to play, to be "the other." you can participate in the "exotic" lifestyle of the american negro, with none of the baggage that goes along with actually being black. i would submit that living in a country where you are "other" at best, and invisible at worst, is some fairly crushing racism to have to contend with.

but this is just my knee-jerk reaction.

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AAAAAAAANYWAY... I wrote the above sarcastic quote earlier on in this thread with the donkey-punch/banana masturbating graemlins. They have now been removed. What gives? For the love of fuck PLEASE tell me someone wasn't offended by them.

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with as derailed as this thread is tatty
the donkey punch and banannas werent so bad

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with as derailed as this thread is tatty
the donkey punch and banannas werent so bad

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That's a rough order at an edgy ice cream parlor in a bad neighborhood...

...really hot fudge sauce might be involved...

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Any thread tritone posts in becomes racially charged, because he is always racially charged. Most of the time it isn't even discussed here. It takes a real professional race baiter like him to bring it on.

It's more complicated than just slavery, Jim Crow, and the destruction of the black family. Those are factors, but no one solution is going to work and they will accept no solutions offered by whites. It's up to them and them alone to fix what is wrong.

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Any thread tritone posts in becomes racially charged, because he is always racially charged. Most of the time it isn't even discussed here. It takes a real professional race baiter like him to bring it on.

It's more complicated than just slavery, Jim Crow, and the destruction of the black family. Those are factors, but no one solution is going to work and they will accept no solutions offered by whites. It's up to them and them alone to fix what is wrong.

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Can the admin create a new forum - IR and Racial Issues ? Let Tritone post there like mad.

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Good idea. And then we can separate forums for white people and colored people. Baby G. could get a honorary white status.

Seriously, I hope tritone's intelligent enough to realise his race baiting is tearing the XPT apart...

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^^He's truly ugly.

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^^He's truly ugly.

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1) Mistake cardboard cutout dog for real dog.
2) Mistake Simi's natural wonders for a boob job.
3) Mistake sculpture for real people.

Verdict: Time to lay off the drugs.

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I wouldn't say it's tearing XPT apart. I look forward to him derailing threads and then getting attacked by everyone. Sometimes it makes my entire week.

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It's a sculpture, but he's a pretty ugly one. The artist's name is Ron Mueck.

Sorry for derailing the derail.

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I wouldn't say it's tearing XPT apart. I look forward to him derailing threads and then getting attacked by everyone. Sometimes it makes my entire week.

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I admit it. I like pounding on Tritone, but not in IR Style.
We could add a forum section called - Sociological Phenomena. We can put the IR, racism, whore group behavior, etc, in that forum. Have a fix for rescividism among black youth! Bam! Post to that forum. Object to your favorite slut sucking on VDiesel's tater? Bam! You gotta forum! All separate and equal.

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My fiance (Alisandra) are both in the industry (marginally, we both have other means of support) & have a beautiful relationship despite how we choose to supplement our income. As we see it, it's just work... Performing is aloof & mechanical & we both remain detached & professional at "work"...

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