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"she (Jenna) posed nude for Suze Randall only to discover that after being paid $300, her photos appeared in several men's magazines which prompted Jameson to call Randall “a shark” who took advantage of her."

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Well duuuuuhhh...what the fuck did she think Suze, or any other professional photographer, was going to do with the pics?

It's a product, and in the real world, producers sell product for more than it cost them to produce it, thus creating profit.

After all, doesn't Club Jenna do the same thing? You know,"she got DP'ed for Jenna Jameson's 'Club Jenna' only to discover that after being paid $1200, the scene appeared in several compilation DVDs, websites and pay per view services which prompted girl x to call Jenna “a shark” who took advantage of her."

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I feel this is very disturbing. It is without scrupples to bait some poor girl into posing nude for a modeling gig and then selling the photos. This is aweful and reprehensible.

There is this story about Belladonna strapping a girl to a chair and breaking this girl's jaw during a shoot... and then offering her some paltry sum. All this talk about Max and it seems some of the worst scumbags are women. Look at all that pee and anal feces juices Belladonna makes the girls drink in her trailer for Fetish #5. She thought she would get away with it because she is a woman, just like Suze Randall apparently did. One might wonder if Holly is like her mom as well. The apple doesn't fall far from the whore tree.

"she (Jenna) posed nude for Suze Randall only to discover that after being paid $300, her photos appeared in several men's magazines which prompted Jameson to call Randall “a shark” who took advantage of her."

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Holly is it to personal to ask what a pornstar gets on a photoshoot? Or does each girl get a different rate? If its none of my business, simply reply with that.

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Holly is it to personal to ask what a pornstar gets on a photoshoot? Or does each girl get a different rate? If its none of my business, simply reply with that.

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I think it depends on what lies Holly and her mom can make up to the whore. If they find a gullible bitch like Jenna, well then, $300 is the going rate for several magazine shoots. The common lie is that the photos are for a modeling "portfolio" but you still need the release due to legality. Once you have all that, you can sell them to the highest bidder. I am sure Suze "the shark" Randall has taught Holly all of her wicked tricks.

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Is your fuckin name Holly jerkoff? I didnt ask you and dont jump in my conversation, I loathe you.

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I feel this is very disturbing. It is without scrupples to bait some poor girl into posing nude for a modeling gig and then selling the photos. This is aweful and reprehensible.

There is this story about Belladonna strapping a girl to a chair and breaking this girl's jaw during a shoot... and then offering her some paltry sum. All this talk about Max and it seems some of the worst scumbags are women. Look at all that pee and anal feces juices Belladonna makes the girls drink in her trailer for Fetish #5. She thought she would get away with it because she is a woman, just like Suze Randall apparently did. One might wonder if Holly is like her mom as well. The apple doesn't fall far from the whore tree.

"she (Jenna) posed nude for Suze Randall only to discover that after being paid $300, her photos appeared in several men's magazines which prompted Jameson to call Randall “a shark” who took advantage of her."

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I think my mother and I run a very honest business and we are very fair to the girls. I do my best to be a good and decent person, and still run a profitable business.

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No doubt.

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I feel this is very disturbing. It is without scrupples to bait some poor girl into posing nude for a modeling gig and then selling the photos. This is aweful and reprehensible.

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What the fuck are "scrupples"? Or is that something only an "insider" is allowed to know?

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I think my mother and I run a very honest business and we are very fair to the girls. I do my best to be a good and decent person, and still run a profitable business.

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No doubt.

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Short,to the point and well said Fatman. I salute you

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Holly is it to personal to ask what a pornstar gets on a photoshoot? Or does each girl get a different rate? If its none of my business, simply reply with that.

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I think it depends on what lies Holly and her mom can make up to the whore. If they find a gullible bitch like Jenna, well then, $300 is the going rate for several magazine shoots. The common lie is that the photos are for a modeling "portfolio" but you still need the release due to legality. Once you have all that, you can sell them to the highest bidder. I am sure Suze "the shark" Randall has taught Holly all of her wicked tricks.

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag. Holly will look just like her soon. All I am saying is for the girls to LOOK OUT if Suze or Holly approach them. They will definitely take advantage in my opinion. If Jenna calls Suze a shark, and it walks like a shark, it is a shark. A shark patrols the waters, tells girls they could never make it in porn, then offer them $300 for a pity shoot. If you tell the girl she is going to be huge in porn, the shoot would cost much more. Break down the whore's self-esteem first. That is how the Randall's do it!

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I want to hear this story from a whore who isn't completely made of plastic first.

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no
thats wrong
a release just states your the model
youre ok with getting your pictures taken by such and such
blahblahblah
a usage agreement is what youre thinking of
once a model signs a usage agreement thats fine for holly
or anyone else those imagesa nd their usage are signed over to
to do whatever with them
thats whatt the model signed
thats not exploitation
the model is paid her rate and there her interest in the images ends
and the photographer can submit them to magazines, or publish them in a calendar or whatever after a usage agreememtn is signed

and portfolio shots are often paid for by the model
or shot on trade tfp/tfcd basis
not hte other way around

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag. Holly will look just like her soon. All I am saying is for the girls to LOOK OUT if Suze or Holly approach them. They will definitely take advantage in my opinion. If Jenna calls Suze a shark, and it walks like a shark, it is a shark. A shark patrols the waters, tells girls they could never make it in porn, then offer them $300 for a pity shoot. If you tell the girl she is going to be huge in porn, the shoot would cost much more. Break down the whore's self-esteem first. That is how the Randall's do it!

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag. Holly will look just like her soon. All I am saying is for the girls to LOOK OUT if Suze or Holly approach them. They will definitely take advantage in my opinion. If Jenna calls Suze a shark, and it walks like a shark, it is a shark. A shark patrols the waters, tells girls they could never make it in porn, then offer them $300 for a pity shoot. If you tell the girl she is going to be huge in porn, the shoot would cost much more. Break down the whore's self-esteem first. That is how the Randall's do it!

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You still didn't tell me what "scrupples" are. Well, what are they? Oh BTW $300 back in 1993/94 is equivalent to about $3000 today. Jenna was well compensated.

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Scrupples??? I'm stunned by the "walks like a shark" comment. "WALKS like a shark"...Haha. You and Donkey Long have to be two of the dumbest motherfuckers on here...

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag.

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If Jenna calls Suze a shark, and it walks like a shark, it is a shark.

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If you tell the girl she is going to be huge in porn, the shoot would cost much more. Break down the whore's self-esteem first. That is how the Randall's do it!

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Wow this is really old news... I even talked about this in a thread on XPT years ago-- actually I think it was a posting about exactly this-- what Jenna said in her book-- that prompted me to first come to XPT and post a response.

First of all, that was years ago, and $300 was probably the going rate for a solo girl set (I don't know for sure, since I was 13 or 14 back then and obviously not involved in the business). Nowadays it's $600 (and we pay more than some). And yes, of course Suze sold the set more than once-- do you have any idea how much it costs to produce these shoots? You've got to reap your profit somewhere, and this was before the internet, so that was the only way.

Jenna got all huffy because, as she claimed, my mom promised her a centerfold in Penthouse and she didn't get one. Of course my mom submitted Jenna to Penthouse as a centerfold, because being the shark that she supposedly is, Penthouse pays the most. But Guccionne didn't like Jenna-- specifically he didn't like her weak chin. Jenna has of course, since had her chin done. Though I'm not a big advocate of plastic surgery, I do think this operation did improve Jenna's looks, though she was very pretty beforehand.

Jenna said all kinds of crap about everybody so she could make her book juicy so that it would sell. And obviously, it worked. I was upset about what she'd said back when it first came out, but now I really couldn't care less. As far as I know, there is no war going on between Jenna and Suze. We do, and always have, wished Jenna the best.

I think my mother and I run a very honest business and we are very fair to the girls. I do my best to be a good and decent person, and still run a profitable business.

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Thank you Holly for being so honest and you and your mom are amazing.

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no
thats wrong
a release just states your the model
youre ok with getting your pictures taken by such and such
blahblahblah
a usage agreement is what youre thinking of
once a model signs a usage agreement thats fine for holly
or anyone else those imagesa nd their usage are signed over to
to do whatever with them
thats whatt the model signed
thats not exploitation
the model is paid her rate and there her interest in the images ends
and the photographer can submit them to magazines, or publish them in a calendar or whatever after a usage agreememtn is signed

and portfolio shots are often paid for by the model
or shot on trade tfp/tfcd basis
not hte other way around

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag. Holly will look just like her soon. All I am saying is for the girls to LOOK OUT if Suze or Holly approach them. They will definitely take advantage in my opinion. If Jenna calls Suze a shark, and it walks like a shark, it is a shark. A shark patrols the waters, tells girls they could never make it in porn, then offer them $300 for a pity shoot. If you tell the girl she is going to be huge in porn, the shoot would cost much more. Break down the whore's self-esteem first. That is how the Randall's do it!

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You still didn't tell me what "scrupples" are. Well, what are they? Oh BTW $300 back in 1993/94 is equivalent to about $3000 today. Jenna was well compensated.

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What the fuck are "scrupples"?

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i think they're similar to the "robster craws" that toshiro wanted for the initiation party at lambda lambda lambda

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag. Holly will look just like her soon. All I am saying is for the girls to LOOK OUT if Suze or Holly approach them. They will definitely take advantage in my opinion. If Jenna calls Suze a shark, and it walks like a shark, it is a shark. A shark patrols the waters, tells girls they could never make it in porn, then offer them $300 for a pity shoot. If you tell the girl she is going to be huge in porn, the shoot would cost much more. Break down the whore's self-esteem first. That is how the Randall's do it!

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You still didn't tell me what "scrupples" are. Well, what are they? Oh BTW $300 back in 1993/94 is equivalent to about $3000 today. Jenna was well compensated.

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Really, so in 1994, I could buy a brand new top of the line Mercedes for $12,000. You are very dumb in the ways of things. There hasn't been a 10 to 1 inflation in 14 years. You should tie your yellow ribbon around the old oak tree and dance to a merry tune.

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Really, so in 1994, I could buy a brand new top of the line Mercedes for $12,000. You are very dumb in the ways of things. There hasn't been a 10 to 1 inflation in 14 years. You should tie your yellow ribbon around the old oak tree and dance to a merry tune.

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Yes my mom is 62, but she is beautiful. Suze is beautiful because she's never had a nip/tuck of any kind, or injected botox or fillers into her face. Her hands are rough because she's used them to work her way up to where she is now. Her face is weathered from years of being outside in the sun, riding her horses and enjoying life. She was able to have a career based on her looks, and use it as a springboard to a position behind the camera where her career was based on her talent, toughness, and determination. She was able to age gracefully, and not fall prey to the unrealistic standards of beauty that keep so many of us hating ourselves. My mom is beautiful because she has better things to worry about than trying to hold onto a transient quality that leaves all of us, eventually. I would be lucky to ever end up as beautiful as my mother is.

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I second that Gia. Holly is beautiful as is her mom.

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag. Holly will look just like her soon.

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Yes my mom is 62, but she is beautiful. Suze is beautiful because she's never had a nip/tuck of any kind, or injected botox or fillers into her face. Her hands are rough because she's used them to work her way up to where she is now. Her face is weathered from years of being outside in the sun, riding her horses and enjoying life. She was able to have a career based on her looks, and use it as a springboard to a position behind the camera where her career was based on her talent, toughness, and determination. She was able to age gracefully, and not fall prey to the unrealistic standards of beauty that keep so many of us hating ourselves. My mom is beautiful because she has better things to worry about than trying to hold onto a transient quality that leaves all of us, eventually. I would be lucky to ever end up as beautiful as my mother is.

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Good response

Darth, you're a tool.

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Holly's mom is an ugly old bag. Holly will look just like her soon.

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Yes my mom is 62, but she is beautiful. Suze is beautiful because she's never had a nip/tuck of any kind, or injected botox or fillers into her face. Her hands are rough because she's used them to work her way up to where she is now. Her face is weathered from years of being outside in the sun, riding her horses and enjoying life. She was able to have a career based on her looks, and use it as a springboard to a position behind the camera where her career was based on her talent, toughness, and determination. She was able to age gracefully, and not fall prey to the unrealistic standards of beauty that keep so many of us hating ourselves. My mom is beautiful because she has better things to worry about than trying to hold onto a transient quality that leaves all of us, eventually. I would be lucky to ever end up as beautiful as my mother is.

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thats beautiful
every girl should feel that way about her mom

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Yes my mom is 62, but she is beautiful. Suze is beautiful because she's never had a nip/tuck of any kind, or injected botox or fillers into her face. Her hands are rough because she's used them to work her way up to where she is now. Her face is weathered from years of being outside in the sun, riding her horses and enjoying life. She was able to have a career based on her looks, and use it as a springboard to a position behind the camera where her career was based on her talent, toughness, and determination. She was able to age gracefully, and not fall prey to the unrealistic standards of beauty that keep so many of us hating ourselves. My mom is beautiful because she has better things to worry about than trying to hold onto a transient quality that leaves all of us, eventually. I would be lucky to ever end up as beautiful as my mother is.

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For 62 the lady's skin is immpeccable, I would only hope to look that way when Im 62 if I make it that long. Holly don't listen to this asshole. You, your sister, your brother, your father and your Mom are beautiful people. You got great genes. Not to mention the way you look in jeans.
All the haters jobs are to do is hate, so he really is only doing his job, just ignore his dumb ass.

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You guys both amuse and embarass me. To see men kissing so much ass while lying, is worse than knowing that some of you guys watch soap operas, and not the modern HBO kind. To say Suze is beautiful at 62 is borderline insanity. For Holly to respect her mother who has been labeled a shark by at least one porn whore, and has earned her living off of the backs, sweat, blood, and ass juice of whores is equally insane. She isn't some Mother Theresa. She is labeled a "shark" who takes advantage of these poor whores. She is bitter, old, and ugly. She is weathered, ravaged by the elements, and stained by the pussy squirt of innocents.

Holly should protect her mother. This is important. If she doesn't and the truth finally gets out about this shark business, it could affect her... perhaps agents will start telling girls to be wary of Holly and Suze Randall because if the "queen of porn" was taken advantage of, it is likely that others will and have followed. Come forth porn whores! Don't fear them. Tell the truth. I fear this may meet silence like my herpes challenge.

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Holly should protect her mother. This is important. If she doesn't and the truth finally gets out about this shark business, it could affect her

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She is labeled a "shark" who takes advantage of these poor whores.

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By whom? Jenna Jameson? Yeah, she's credible.





Your argument is empty. There is no evidence. I don't see a throng of victims agreeing with Jenna's position.

You've put this thread up, and no one else with a relationship to Suze has taken up the flag. There has been no grand rush to say, "Yes, me too!". You have kept this going for days. You now openly cry out for whores to grasp the dagger you stuck in Suze's back and twist.

Where are they?

I'm left to infer that they don't exist.

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Holly don't listen to this asshole. your brother, your father are beautiful people. You got great genes. Not to mention the way you look in jeans.

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Homo!

You are very gay and a tranny, like a Liger.