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#314343 - 04/13/08 06:30 PM
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Buttman in "Porn To Lose." CLICKYFunny shit.
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#314344 - 04/13/08 06:32 PM
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Buttman in "Porn To Lose." CLICKY
Funny shit.
I see now.
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#314345 - 04/13/08 10:49 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
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I can't recall who was saying it (it sounded like bitter sniping at the time, so I didn't make a note of the name), but I do recall someone saying that John Stagliano had taken a rather expensive bath on the Fashionistas live show in Las Vegas.
I can guarantee that financially, neither of actually noticed a difference. Sure, a fraction less money saved for a couple of years.
About what I actually said about a defense fund: We've had a bunch of fans ask where they could send money, so we needed to decide whether to set something up specifically for the case.
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#314346 - 04/14/08 04:39 AM
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About what I actually said about a defense fund: We've had a bunch of fans ask where they could send money, so we needed to decide whether to set something up specifically for the case.
That's a LOT different. My advice: Set up a fund, call it the "Stagliano Fund" if you like, but don't make it specifically for this case. Establish it primary as a resource for less fortunate porners targeted by the Gov't who can't afford quality representation.
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#314349 - 04/14/08 10:17 AM
Re: J Stagliano, Evil Angel Charged 8 Obscenity Co
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
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Jeff-
Thanks. I hope it's ok for me to post this, but I wanted to publicly thank you for your phone call last week. It was really appreciated.
John and I have talked a lot this last week about how we never did think that Evil Angel was above the possibility of being prosecuted.
The only difference I can think of was that that we attempted to fly slightly more under the radar than a company like Extreme or Max. I guess this now proves that doesn't matter anymore.
I've had dozens of people tell me that they're sure that it's John's dance number at the AVN Awards show that pissed off the government. The indictment was filed in December 2007, before anyone knew what the theme of John's dance number would be.
I've also had a few people such as yourself who have been through this before tell me how lonely it's going to feel. I'm not discounting that, but if I were to judge from the outpouring of support we've received from industry leaders this last week, it's going to be quite some time before we feel lonely or abandoned. On a personal level, everyone from our parents to our other family members, our close friends, to my daughter's teacher and principal have all told us how sorry they are for us and how indignant they feel that the government believes they can tell people what they can and can't watch in the privacy of their own homes. Some of our friends who've told me that pleasant surprised me - they were people who knew my political believes but who had never uttered a politically-inspired word to me in the past.
John never wanted this to happen, but now that it has, he's willing to do his best to show people how hypocritical and unconstitutional this really is.
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#314350 - 04/14/08 11:16 AM
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#314351 - 04/14/08 01:34 PM
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And it didn't take long for the fall out to start. I've already had three shoots canceled, and one of them had nothing to do with the type of content that JS and friends were indited for. Producers are scared and over-reacting. I guess the bullshit, bible-thumping government lackeys win without firing more than a warning shot. But I'm sure actions like this will get the economy back on it's feet, won't they?  
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#314354 - 04/15/08 09:36 AM
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As reported at xbiz.com Antiporn Groups: Feds Should Indict Softer Content Conservative groups argue that the government is doing nothing to stop the ‘mainstreaming of pornography’ By Q Boyer Tuesday, Apr 15, 2008 Text size: NEW YORK — Reacting to the Justice Department’s indictment of producer John Stagliano on obscenity charges, executives from socially conservative watchdog groups said their organizations are pleased by the indictment, but concerned about the type of material being prosecuted. “Early indications lead us to believe this material is once again the ‘worst of the worst,’” said Daniel Weiss, the senior analyst for media and sexuality at Focus on the Family. “The Justice Department does nothing to stop the mainstreaming of pornography by only prosecuting material at the extreme edge of society.” Robert Peters, president of Morality in Media, concurred with Weiss and called on the government to initiate far more obscenity prosecutions. “The case is an important obscenity case, but standing alone it isn’t going to stem the tide of obscenity,” Peters said. “They’ve just got to do more cases, or the pornographers are going to win.” Peters asserted that, despite the proliferation of pornography in American society and the “mainstreaming” of adult content, Americans are not accepting of pornography. “Just because there’s a lot of pornography around doesn’t mean the American people accept it,” Peters said. Diane Duke, the executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, told XBIZ that Peters’ comments simply demonstrate “how out of touch Morality in Media is with mainstream society.” “It’s difficult to win any obscenity case, and it will be difficult for them to convict Evil Angel, because most people really don’t want to tell their neighbors what they can or can’t watch,” Duke said. Duke added that if one looks at all the speech and expressive conduct that groups like Morality in Media lobby the government to restrict, it’s clear that their agenda goes well beyond targeting the adult entertainment industry. “Morality in Media will not stop at the ‘hardest of the hard,’ and they won’t stop with pornography,” Duke said. “This is [advocating] censorship of the worst sort.”
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#314356 - 04/15/08 11:27 AM
Re: J Stagliano, Evil Angel Charged 8 Obscenity Co
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
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As reported at xbiz.com
“Early indications lead us to believe this material is once again the ‘worst of the worst,’” said Daniel Weiss, the senior analyst for media and sexuality at Focus on the Family. “The Justice Department does nothing to stop the mainstreaming of pornography by only prosecuting material at the extreme edge of society.”
Hmmmm... so I'm guessing they're not fans of 2Girls1Cup?
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#314357 - 04/15/08 11:40 AM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 03/29/08
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focus on the family is based here in colorado springs
they are usually touting a "spare the rod spoil the child" rhetoric
they buy up local cable airtime
and billboards around here
they seemed to be concerned with convincng folks to beat their kids and decrying abortion
to know they are in on the war against porn
is pretty disconcerting
theyre media whores
and very influential
unfortunately
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#314358 - 04/15/08 12:21 PM
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They're also the reason why there's rampant Bible Thuming and Proselytizing at the Air Force Acadamy (about double the rate of the other service acadamies.) But then again, Danny Weiss thinks mamograms are obscene and immoral, so...
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#314359 - 04/15/08 12:32 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 03/29/08
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last night we got like, literally busloads of boys from ft carson in the dejavu thy said focus on the family like practically owns the base and propagandas all over the place poor guys just wanted to see some ass befroe headinf to iraq so theyre commanders or whatever cut them loose to come see us at the club  i like the commanders more than the bible thumpers hehe
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#314360 - 04/15/08 02:50 PM
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Peters asserted that, despite the proliferation of pornography in American society and the “mainstreaming” of adult content, Americans are not accepting of pornography.
“Just because there’s a lot of pornography around doesn’t mean the American people accept it,” Peters said.
Does he have any idea how stupid this sounds? 
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“They’ve just got to do more cases, or the pornographers are going to win.”
How can the pornographers win if the American people don't accept them? He's completely contradicted himself within the space of a few sentences.
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#314362 - 04/15/08 04:10 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
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OK. We have put up www.DefendOurPorn.org. Feel free to comment in the guestbook. I'm surely not going to censor what you guys post... but please, remember before saying infantile stuff just for kicks that this is a REAL federal prosecution. The maximum penalties that John is facing is 32 years in prison and $7 million in fines. That's only if he's convicted, but it's above and beyond the thousands and thousands of dollars that this case is going to cost in legal fees. To put it in perspective, we spent on legal fees just short of a million dollars on the copyright infringement case that we won last year. If we want people to take us at all seriously, we need to act like mature adults about this.
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#314364 - 04/15/08 09:46 PM
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Porn Jesus
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why you guys didn't open that site when JM and MAX was under the FEDs target ?
That's a valid question elG but it works both ways. Why didn't Max or JM open a similar site or fund?
EA is channeling their donations into a fund that can work for everyone. This is not something to be trivialized. I'm sure Jeff and Max agree.
edit: as I understand it, these are totally unsolicited donations at that. People want to help EA even if they don't want it, and they are using this goodwill to help others. This isn't a subject to draw swords over.
Edited by Bornyo (04/15/08 09:50 PM)
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#314365 - 04/16/08 05:17 AM
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EA is channeling their donations into a fund that can work for everyone. This is not something to be trivialized. I'm sure Jeff and Max agree.
edit: as I understand it, these are totally unsolicited donations at that. People want to help EA even if they don't want it, and they are using this goodwill to help others. This isn't a subject to draw swords over.
I agree. It's a much different scenario from what was first reported, which made it seem as though they were begging for contributions. It's completely the opposite, and a damn good idea.
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#314366 - 04/16/08 05:30 AM
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Porn Jesus
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The fund may not be enough, unless they could actually match the budget the gov has to throw at these cases. Maybe they need to go on the offensive and use the fund to start filing lawsuits against the gov for violation of their 1st amendment rights and harassment of the industry.
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#314367 - 04/16/08 02:43 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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why you guys didn't open that site when JM and MAX was under the FEDs target ?
That's a valid question elG but it works both ways. Why didn't Max or JM open a similar site or fund?
EA is channeling their donations into a fund that can work for everyone. This is not something to be trivialized. I'm sure Jeff and Max agree.
edit: as I understand it, these are totally unsolicited donations at that. People want to help EA even if they don't want it, and they are using this goodwill to help others. This isn't a subject to draw swords over.
Thanks for that.
We're going to use the website to get the word out as much as possible. We want as much press as possible in this election year. We want to make people aware that it's not just porn that is and will be under attack by the government.
The reason for the fund is because we don't want to intermingle any donations into John's personal bank accounts. If a person is donating money to a legal case for obscenity, we want to make sure that that's what their money goes towards... whether for the John / Evil Angel case, or the next one.
And the next step of getting non-profit status will work in that I want to set up a Board of Directors who will decide which future cases money gets allocated to, and in what amounts.
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#314369 - 04/17/08 01:17 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Tricia D. wrote: Quote:
The reason for the fund is because we don't want to intermingle any donations into John's personal bank accounts.
Very noble. How about a real discount on all Evil Angel products to boost sales?
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And the next step of getting non-profit status will work in that I want to set up a Board of Directors who will decide which future cases money gets allocated to, and in what amounts.
I would like to apply for a position on the Board of Directors. Where do I send my application?
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#314372 - 04/17/08 05:00 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
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I was wondering, was John, who is much richer than Max by the way, going to share his legal fund with Max? Does Max getting sent down the river mean any less than John? I realize John has blown a lot of money in Vegas, but certainly he is still richer than Hardcore in every way possible. Well... maybe not cars.
Anyway, I just find it amusing that John would spend all that money in Vegas, but then try to get a handout when it comes to legal bills to defend pooping out fecal water into girls mouths as normal sex. Seriously, I know lots of girls who poop out enemas into each other's mouths for a sexual thrill. Is that sanctioned as safe sex by AIM Healthcare?
Anyway, I am serious about wondering if you were going to share this legal fund with Max. He is a patriot - fighting this fight alone, without begging for free money. A scumbag, but a patriot for adult. Also, it would be nice if EA would give fucktard Jeff from this site 33% of their donations.
Why is it that we hear nothing about 2257 anymore from the adult Free Speech Coalition? Have they thrown in the towel? Too busy begging for money for the entitled in the industry while leaving the little guy out to dry? I thought that legal help was part of the reason we paid dues to FSC.
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#314374 - 04/17/08 12:23 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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Max what % of the legal fund for the entire industry did you get signed up for? I am very happy you are being taken care of.
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#314377 - 04/18/08 12:04 AM
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I can't read Portugese, but I think it says, Fabio Scorpion wishes you good luck from beyone the calf-implant surgery table of death.
The Buttman Family, say goodbye to a big friend and professional, with a single tribute.
the rest : blah blah blah
Fabio Scorpion dies the 23th in Sao Paulo, by complications in a medical procedure 
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#314378 - 04/18/08 04:37 AM
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A year and a half ago I had fun translating this with Gen Padova while I was in the midst of a wild manic episode. Click for the link!! I miss Gen. 
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#314381 - 04/18/08 12:16 PM
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From adultfyi.com Grand Vizier: Remember When Stagliano Told Movies By Mail There's Nothing We Can Do For You? --Gene Ross Porn Valley- His scimitar flashing wildly, the smoke from his Auchincloss cigarettes exhaling a dragon’s fury from his nostrils, The Grand Vizier calls me. It’s about John Stagliano. The Vizier is livid that Stagliano’s created a legal war chest and is soliciting funds for it. In fact Stagliano has launched a website called Defendourprogram.org which allows adult industry members and fans to donate to Stagliano's defense via PayPal. States the Vizier, “AVN’s Mark Kernes- and you got to love this- says Stagliano has taken ‘a bold step’ to encourage support of himself and his company in the face of a federal obscenity prosecution.” The bold step comments are what might have set The Vizier Off. “This is exactly the same thing Pinky Stolbach was doing,” points out The Vizier, taking note of an article I wrote over the past weekend about Stolbach and the Free Speech Legal Defense Fund. www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=27571 “Stagliano’s getting his own club like Pinky.” The Vizier’s also of the opinion that Stagliano, rather than exhort money from the little people, should be liquidating his lavish Malibu digs if his legal bills are that tight. The Vizier’s mad that Stagliano’s reaching out like this in a particularly crass manner. “Where were you when we couldn’t get your ass on a telephone?” asks the Vizier on behalf of some disgruntled porn distributors that have long standing issues with Stagliano and are now taking exception to his whiny tactics. “Stagliano would never give people a break on price,” states The Vizier. “Evil Angel made no deals for anyone. Stagliano ground you into submission with his pricing system. You wouldn’t lower the price? Now sell your home. Out of ego, he produced that Fashionistas show in Vegas which lost money. Now everyone else is being asked to kick in? Oh, can we help you? It’s the height of supreme arrogance. Absolute insanity.” “I’m sure that Cinderella still owes money on that case you talked about in the Pinky article,” continues The Vizier. “Nobody raised money for Charlie Brickman. Where were people to raise money when Jack Stephen’s wife was used to testify against him in Florida?” On the subject of wives, The Vizier points out, ironically at that, how Karen Stagliano/Trisha Devereaux almost married Rob Black. So, either way, Devereaux would have been facing federal indictment as the loyal spouse. Black, like Stagliano, agitated the Feds. Only Black got directly in John Ashcroft’s face on a PBS show urging the Feds to come get him. Whereas Stagliano, used a rendition of Fashionistas on stage at the AVN show to make prickly commentary about the government. The AVN show was aired on Showtime which gave the G-men a front row seat. “How about all the hundreds of thousands Stagliano put in AVN’s pocket?" The Vizier also asks. “Why doesn’t AVN kick back some of that loot? And why is AVN shilling and pimping this? Here’s a thought, John. Don’t advertise for a year and use that money towards your legal bills. That’ll put a hundred grand in your coffers.” The Grand Vizier also tactlessly reminds one and all that when the obscenity case involving Movies By Mail and Sami Harb first came up, it was Stagliano who told Harb, “There’s Nothing We Can Do For You” www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=23347 “The big boys are hiding,” Harb said at the time. One of those big boys was Stagliano. “I hear Josef is buying titles,” continues The Vizier. “Tell Stagliano to sell off his line. Josef will put some real value on that Stagliano product at 65 cents a disc. But he’ll hold the price instead of selling it for 55 cents.”
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