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#314243 - 04/08/08 10:25 PM
J Stagliano, Evil Angel Charged 8 Obscenity Counts
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
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Loc: Malibu
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XBiz story AVN story Federal Grand Jury Charges Two Companies and Owner John Stagliano With Obscenity Violations WASHINGTON, April 8, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A producer of allegedly obscene movies and two companies owned by him have been charged by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., with operating an obscenity distribution business and related offenses, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division announced today. In an indictment filed by the grand jury today, Malibu, Calif. resident John Stagliano and two of his companies, Evil Angel Productions, Inc. and John Stagliano, Inc., both located in Van Nuys, Calif., were charged with three counts of using a facility of interstate commerce to sell and distribute DVDs containing obscene films together with a movie trailer in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1465; two counts of using a common carrier for the conveyance or delivery of DVDs containing obscene films in interstate commerce in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1462; one count of engaging in the business of selling or transferring an obscene film and a movie trailer in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1466; one count of using an interactive computer service to display an obscene movie trailer in a manner available to a person under 18 years of age, in violation of 47 U.S.C. SS 223 (d); and one count seeking forfeiture of certain assets of the defendants under 18 U.S.C. SS 1467. According to the indictment, the defendants, producers of the films charged in the indictment, distributed the films to the public by means of common carrier and the Internet. If convicted, Stagliano faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison on each of the obscenity counts charged under Title 18, United States Code, and two years on the count charged under Title 47, United States Code. The corporations face a maximum penalty of $500,000 in fines per count. An indictment is merely an accusation. All defendants are presumed innocent of the charges and it is the government's burden to prove a defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial. The case is being prosecuted by Trial Attorney Pamela Satterfield of the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force of the U.S. Department of Justice, with support from the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia. Investigation was done by the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Adult Obscenity Squad based in the Washington, D.C. field office. The Los Angeles Police Department also assisted in the investigation.
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#314245 - 04/08/08 11:02 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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It's shitty to release the indictment before informing the defendants what the materials were or when the offense occurred.
Gain momentum with the indictment while the defendants struggle just to find out where the water is leaking in.
These are bitch moves you expect on American Gladiator not from the US Government. I bet Gen. U.S. Grant would be ashamed, pack up the Army of the Potomac and head home if he knew things would come to this.
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#314246 - 04/08/08 11:15 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
Posts: 202
Loc: Malibu
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Holly - thanks. Rob was just an asshole, I don't know Max as a person, and I'm sure a lot of people here saw that Jeff and I had our differences, but through all of their cases, I always supported their right to make their movies, which they never forced a single person to HAVE to watch against their will. Our lawyer is Allan Gelbard. He also represents JM, and he's amazing. Hopefully tomorrow we'll know which movies. The NewsWire item went out from the government before John was served or received any notification. We actually found out because the editor of XBiz saw the NewsWire feed and asked me how we were doing. Bornyo- thanks. See, THIS is why I'm such a wacky libertarian. It's not just all that California free-love. 
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#314247 - 04/08/08 11:26 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 775
Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Hopefully he doesn't plead guilty. You should fight this not just accept the punishment that is handed.
If I were to guess, I would think that the movies that were obscene were something to do with Belladonna. It would be obscene to have someone get a broken jaw while tied up to a chair in a scene. Poor Kelly.
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#314248 - 04/08/08 11:31 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 14160
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I never thought this would happen to Evil Angel. This goes to show that obscenity charges will start to trickle down to the 'tamer' companies soon. I wish you strength through this.
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#314250 - 04/08/08 11:56 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#314253 - 04/09/08 03:33 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 4856
Loc: The 4th International
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I strongly agree with Bornyo. This is not the way it should be done.
Good luck to Mr. Stagliano.
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#314254 - 04/09/08 04:51 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 10/30/06
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Damn, that sucks. It's completely ridiculous that they didn't even list the titles in question. Best of luck to you and John.
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#314255 - 04/09/08 05:16 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 11/19/06
Posts: 310
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Now all you people cheering about Max being prosecuted, this hits a little closer to home, maybe now you see this is an agenda of the religious right, and your personal view of Max is a mute point.
The Federal Govt would like nothing more then to separate what little cohesive nature there may be in the Adult industry, to divide us by "who I like and dislike" all the while we lose contact on what the big picture really is.
Fans of Adult pornography need to be more vocal, that this is unacceptable; otherwise, you can just wait as they chip away at our rights by mere apathy!
It's hardly just the religious right. The left wing will see Max's porn as degrading to women. Remember it was Tipper Gore that got behind the parental advisory stickers.
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#314257 - 04/09/08 06:40 AM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/06/05
Posts: 1135
Loc: Temple Of Doom
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This is just fucking ridiculous. I'm curious to find out what videos the government is going to call obscene.
However it is heartwarming to see that there are no drugs being trafficked into the country, no terrorist sleeper cells lying in wait, or corrupt business practices going on in this country that the DOJ has time to drum up bogus shit like this.
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#314259 - 04/09/08 07:24 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 775
Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Darth - I forget, are you the pretend lawyer, the pretend insider, the has-been, or the actual nobody?
And no, there will be no guilty pleas.
My point here is that even if you are guilty of what they are trying to bring you to justice for, you should plea, "NOT GUILTY". What this will do is create a court case in which you and John can win. This is your best option. They may offer you much lesser charges if you take the plea bargain, but if I were you, I would not take these deals even though you will be tempted. 4 years in prison sounds much better than 40 doesn't it?
I have to ask, has the thought crossed your mind that if John does go to prison, that you will have full access to all of his money while he is away? You can buy designer gowns and diamond tennis bracelets. Maybe you can do that big addition you have been wanting. Do not fall prey to these feelings. If you turn on John in court, nobody in porn will respect you and the evil empire will crumble.
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#314260 - 04/09/08 07:25 AM
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It's called "pacifying the base." As far as I know, McCain has never taken a stand on Porn, so the admin has to do it for him in order to keep the bible-thumpers happy this election season.
I am surprised there's only eight counts charged, out of the whole Evil Angel catalogue. Either the Feds learned their lesson after Jeff's persecution or this really is just a half-hearted attempt to make the nuts happy. Either way, good luck to you both.
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#314261 - 04/09/08 07:27 AM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 1991
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damn
that sucks
they make some good flicks
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#314262 - 04/09/08 07:37 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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I hate when the government wastes my tax money on nonsense like this. I hope you guys beat this early and as cheaply as possible and I hope the porn industry will rally around you the way you rallied around Max and JM.
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#314264 - 04/09/08 09:47 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/15/08
Posts: 190
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First comes the moral cleansing, and next, the ethnic cleansing. I really need to move to Amsterdam.
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#314265 - 04/09/08 09:54 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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Don't let the 747 hit you in the ass on the way out.
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#314267 - 04/09/08 10:17 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/15/08
Posts: 190
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Well I'll still have the internet there you cocksucker.
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#314268 - 04/09/08 10:25 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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True but there will be a great lessening of stench on this side of the pond.
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#314269 - 04/09/08 10:40 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
Posts: 202
Loc: Malibu
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It is no longer "we", it is now "John and Evil Angel". Good move.
I'll work at Evil Angel forever and stand behind Evil Angel movies forever.
I'm not a co-owner of the company, which is the reason I'm not also named in the indictment. Otherwise, I would have worded that post as 'we'.
For clarification, I will stand by John and the company 100% through this. I believe in the movies that I have a part of getting out to the public, and will do whatever it takes to help defend them, my husband and Evil Angel in court.
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#314270 - 04/09/08 10:52 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 3812
Loc: Neither here, nor there.
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Storm Squirters 2 - All Blew Shirts (Silvera)
Milk Nymphos - Jay Sin
Fetish Fanatic 5 - Belladonna
SOURCE
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#314271 - 04/09/08 11:04 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 459
Loc: California
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Good luck Tricia, John and all of Evil. This one is going to be big. Obviously, the election year for the Republicans has begun. Alan is a great attorney. Good luck to him as well. Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com
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#314272 - 04/09/08 11:15 AM
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The choice of Washington, D.C. as a venue is puzzling, since the "community standards" of the District are a lot different from, say, Arizona (where Jeff's case was held) or the Northern District of Florida (where Max's case is being tried.) Hell, they're arguably more "advanced" (for lack of a better term) than the standards of Pittsburgh, where Rob Black's case is still winding its way through the Courts.
And what about the titles cited? I'm not familiar with the works in question, but they sound pretty tame by E.A. standards. And the Belladona title is just an on-line trailer? Isn't there anything in the entire Bella canon that they could have picked that would have offended community standards more than a trailer?
To me, it seems that the Gov't isn't really serious about prosecuting this case at all, and that this is just for show. It reminds me of the ongoing trial of the three cops in the Sean Bell shooting in Queens, the prosecution of whom is quarter-hearted at best.
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#314273 - 04/09/08 11:25 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 775
Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Oh this is bad. They will bring in M.D.'s to finally show that squirting is fake. Cytheria peed on a lot of motha' fucka's and the industry, AVN, gave her an award for peeing. This has done much in our culture to make girls feel sexually inadequate because they can't squirt. However, I will side with EA that it is not obscene. In reviewing the Fetish trailer, one of the girl poops out a clearish brown liquid (not chocolate milk) and I think another is lapping it up. Nobody that I know would put a coffee enema in a movie, so this is likely feces.
http://www.evilangel.com/page.php?node=item&item_id=1849
Isn't it kind of a stretch to say the girls enjoy sucking butt juice from another girls asshole and drinking their pee? I know a lot of real lesbians and I kind of doubt they would suck the enemas out of each other's asses for fun. Ask any porn girl in private and they will admit they are peeing.
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#314275 - 04/09/08 11:35 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
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All of my best hopes go to John Stagliano and Evil Angel.
Be strong. Fight the good fight.
You're soldiers in the fight against free speech whether you wanted to be or not. And, I support the troops.
Good luck!
You be strong, too, Tricia.
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#314277 - 04/09/08 11:59 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 01/23/06
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Wow-- I'm crossing my fingers for you guys! It didn't bother me so much when Max and Rob were hit with this, but you and John are such nice people... 
This is exactly what I am talking about. I'm not here to give you a bunch of shit Holly. You and your mother are very talented and have done some great work for us.
But you make the type of adult entertainment the religious nuts are specifically after. We are just easier targets for the government right now....
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#314279 - 04/09/08 12:05 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
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I wish all of the best to the Stagliano family in defending their case against Dubya's Federal persecutors. Makes me glad to have voted for Gore and Kerry, because I believe that this would not have happened were either of them President.
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#314280 - 04/09/08 12:13 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 07/14/06
Posts: 775
Loc: Hollywood, CA
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Fuckin government, I cant believe we lasted this long with idiots like these at the helm. 
I know this is asking too much, but I think EVERY pornographer or fan should post this on their web site, start a grass roots ribbon campaign!
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#314281 - 04/09/08 12:42 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 459
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Michael-
Yes, we love Allan. Because there are effectively 3 defendents, there will need to be 3 attorneys, so there will be 2 attorneys in addition to Allan.
I am sure he will assemble the best team possible. I envy the First Amendment guys. I am very interested in following this case though. I think they are doing this because of the political ramifications. Again, good luck!!!
Michael
www.AdultBizLaw.com
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#314282 - 04/09/08 01:21 PM
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Porn Jesus
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The choice of Washington, D.C. as a venue is puzzling, since the "community standards" of the District are a lot different from, say, Arizona (where Jeff's case was held) or the Northern District of Florida (where Max's case is being tried.) Hell, they're arguably more "advanced" (for lack of a better term) than the standards of Pittsburgh, where Rob Black's case is still winding its way through the Courts.
And what about the titles cited? I'm not familiar with the works in question, but they sound pretty tame by E.A. standards. And the Belladona title is just an on-line trailer? Isn't there anything in the entire Bella canon that they could have picked that would have offended community standards more than a trailer?
To me, it seems that the Gov't isn't really serious about prosecuting this case at all, and that this is just for show. It reminds me of the ongoing trial of the three cops in the Sean Bell shooting in Queens, the prosecution of whom is quarter-hearted at best.
Is it a federal court in DC or a court in Virginia? There's a court that encompasses the VA burbs of DC which is pretty conservative. The government likes to set cases there (especially national security cases) because the judge is pretty conservative and there are lots of ex-military people to draw from for juries. Sort or like a simi valley, but for a federal court.
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#314284 - 04/09/08 01:32 PM
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Is it a federal court in DC or a court in Virginia? There's a court that encompasses the VA burbs of DC which is pretty conservative. The government likes to set cases there (especially national security cases) because the judge is pretty conservative and there are lots of ex-military people to draw from for juries. Sort or like a simi valley, but for a federal court.
It's the US District Court for the District of Columbia. Although the court you're thinking of, Eastern District of Virginia, is also in the 4th Circuit along with D.C. The 4th is a pretty conservative Appellate Circuit; it might be that DOJ wanted a circuit that would avoid an ugly (and potentially unfavorable) showdown in the Supreme Court over the Lawrence issue, so they went there to keep it from ever reaching the Supremes. But even then, if they can't get a jury to agree that the titles in question violate community standards in the District, what fucking good is it?
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#314286 - 04/09/08 01:39 PM
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I hope they don't drain you dry before they drop the charges.
I think the Staglianos have enough money to tide them over until January 20th. 
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#314287 - 04/09/08 02:09 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Is it a federal court in DC or a court in Virginia? There's a court that encompasses the VA burbs of DC which is pretty conservative. The government likes to set cases there (especially national security cases) because the judge is pretty conservative and there are lots of ex-military people to draw from for juries. Sort or like a simi valley, but for a federal court.
It's the US District Court for the District of Columbia. Although the court you're thinking of, Eastern District of Virginia, is also in the 4th Circuit along with D.C. The 4th is a pretty conservative Appellate Circuit; it might be that DOJ wanted a circuit that would avoid an ugly (and potentially unfavorable) showdown in the Supreme Court over the Lawrence issue, so they went there to keep it from ever reaching the Supremes. But even then, if they can't get a jury to agree that the titles in question violate community standards in the District, what fucking good is it?
They both sound like the 5th circuit ct of appeals in New Orleans, which covers TX. If you are up for murder, mayhem, obscenity, inter alia, you may want to have appeals heard elsewhere (not that you can choose).
I'd like to read the indictment to see whose community standards "Fetish Fanatic 5" violated. Can't be DC. I used to work near 14th and Mass Avenue, Near Thomas Circle - full of working girls and even "adult book stores."
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#314288 - 04/09/08 02:59 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
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DE-Evolution wrote: Quote:
I really need to move to Amsterdam.
Please don't! Thanks in advance.
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#314289 - 04/09/08 03:08 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
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Tricia D. wrote: Quote:
I'll work at Evil Angel forever ...
Yeah, where else? It's not like you're high on the average headhunters' lists.
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I believe in the movies that I have a part of getting out to the public,...
Do you have an exact figure (not to mention titles)? Can't imagine an astute businessman like Mr. Stagliano having a whore messing with his product.
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#314290 - 04/09/08 04:01 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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Yes... and did you have a part in getting Fetish Fantastic 5 and those other movies out to the public? In your opinion, do you think Jay Sin was a plant by the government to get you indicted? It seems convenient that he starts directing there and a few months later he already has 4A reviews and a 5 star indictment. He has been in porn for years and has never had an indictment before.
Just watch your backs if he comes off as a friend during this entire thing. Also, don't be surprised if the government contacts Kelly Wells to cry on the stand about Belladonna's abuse tactics or jaw breaking. A young lady with a permanent medical disability would be strong in the case against you.
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