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#314111 - 04/08/08 05:53 PM
Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Internet Tough Guy
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Why is it that AIM tests for HIV but not Hepatitis C? My guess is at least 50% of porn people have terminal hep. It is a slow disease so they will live past the time they are burned out and washed out in porn.
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#314113 - 04/08/08 06:38 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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I'm not Powder.
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#314114 - 04/08/08 06:45 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#314115 - 04/08/08 07:56 PM
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...and Tritone doesn't like White Women.
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#314117 - 04/09/08 09:59 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/15/08
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I've contemplated this and it seems like our government is actually at fault. Don't expect anything that could positively benefit our country to ever happen again. If our government wanted awaken industry in our country, save the environment, and save our economy, we would legalize hemp for industrial use. If the government wanted to get a message of adults engaging in safe sex, they would mandate condom use in the industry.
Adult performers are disposable products and nothing more. It saddens me, because some of them are great people.
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#314119 - 04/09/08 10:44 AM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Why is it that AIM tests for HIV but not Hepatitis C? My guess is at least 50% of porn people have terminal hep. It is a slow disease so they will live past the time they are burned out and washed out in porn.
AIM does offer HEPATITIS tests, as well as herpes, syphillis, HPV, and ANY other test that you can get from any clinic or doctor. It is the TALENT who decide which tests to have done, NOT AIM.
Your question should be....Why do PERFORMERS test for HIV but not hepatitis?
The waiver you sign at AIM only allows them to release the HIV/gonn/chlamydia results. All other testing is confidential. Should there be more testing for other diseases? That is NOT up to AIM, it is up to the talent.
This is a voluntary program, and there is no legal requirement for any testing at all. AIM can only do the tests that the talent request. Legally they cannot do anything that the PATIENT(talent) does not request.
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#314120 - 04/09/08 11:08 AM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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If AIM cared, hep and herpes would be tested for as part of the cheap $120 screening. All these new girls come in not knowing what a cesspool of disease porn is and they leave with terminal hep??? AIM of course doesn't have any accountability. They just created the generic screening that pretty much all performers could pass. Yes... Ghonoreah is uncomfortable and you test for that, but skip terminal Hep C as part of the default screening? This is a travesty of human rights! I wonder if the health department knows just how bad porn has become for disease and filth.
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#314122 - 04/09/08 11:32 AM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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I think Tritone would take Donny Long's place in the proposed reverse Bukkake if it brought him into any sort of contact with white women. The specific act is a lot less relevant.
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#314123 - 04/09/08 12:47 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Zip Coon
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I think Tritone would take Donny Long's place in the proposed reverse Bukkake if it brought him into any sort of contact with white women. The specific act is a lot less relevant.
I ain't hurtin' for it that bad, bro. 
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#314124 - 04/09/08 01:18 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#314125 - 04/09/08 01:28 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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If AIM cared, hep and herpes would be tested for as part of the cheap $120 screening. All these new girls come in not knowing what a cesspool of disease porn is and they leave with terminal hep??? AIM of course doesn't have any accountability. They just created the generic screening that pretty much all performers could pass. Yes... Ghonoreah is uncomfortable and you test for that, but skip terminal Hep C as part of the default screening? This is a travesty of human rights! I wonder if the health department knows just how bad porn has become for disease and filth.
AIM, like any other clinicc in california must report any positive std to the county health department. L.A. county health is FULLY aware of all of the tesdting that AIM does. I will repeat again, AIM does not decide which test get done, the TALENT does. ANd AIM does test for all the things youmentioned, but those results are confidential. Most(not all) perfomers do get tested for hep AB@&C, herpes, syph8illis etc. They also get vaccinated for hep a&b.
p.s. your 50% estimate leads me to the informed conclusion that you havent a clue as to what youre talking about. On what do you base this absurdly inflated claim? What type of education are you basing your 'educated estimate"
And what do you meant they have no accountability? They follow the EXACT SAME LAWS as every other clinic in the state of california. Please explain your ridiculous statements.
And every newbie that comes to AIM also gets copies of PORN 101 and now Porn 102 which goes into GREAT DETAIL the types of health issues faced by porn performers. Also, EVERY AIM employee is a certified HIV/STD counselor. Certified by the state of california.
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#314126 - 04/09/08 01:36 PM
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Hey, Sharon, how's it goin? 
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#314127 - 04/09/08 01:48 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Hey, Sharon, how's it goin?
I'm not Mitch, as you know Mitch doesnt respond on these boards, although Ernswt Green, AIM Foundation board member often does. p.s. im not ernest either, just a very well informed "insider". You can check out my other posts on adultdvdtalk under the name lookyhere. I know EXACTLY what i'm talking about when it comes to health and safety in the adult biz. EVERYTHING i say is accurate.
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#314128 - 04/09/08 01:53 PM
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p.s. im not ernest either, just a very well informed "insider".
So now we've got two "insiders" battling it out for the basement? At least Powdarth can spell and use punctuation/capitalization, ADTBoi. But welcome, anyway.
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#314129 - 04/09/08 02:39 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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p.s. im not ernest either, just a very well informed "insider".
So now we've got two "insiders" battling it out for the basement? At least Powdarth can spell and use punctuation/capitalization, ADTBoi. But welcome, anyway.
I realize this is fantasyland, where the truth is less accepted than gossip, and outright b.s. The statement by darth that 50% of performers have HEPC was just too STUPID to leave without comment.(His "educated' guess). And as ususal, when you cant argue with the substane of a post you make personal attacks about spelling and punctuation, as if that somehow makes a difference.(they do the same thing on ADT) Im sorry if the facts arent entertaianing enough for you, and I apologize for ruining what could have been another great AIM amd MItch bashing thread
And it is obvious, at least to me, that Darth is not an 'insider' with any specific knowledge about the health issue in porn. If he had any real insight into the issue he would not have made himself like like an idiot with the 50% comment.
"IT IS BETTER TO REMAIN SILENT AND BE THOUGHT A FOOL THAN TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT."
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#314130 - 04/09/08 03:07 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Darth is not an 'insider' with any specific knowledge about the health issue in porn. If he had any real insight into the issue he would not have made himself like like an idiot with the 50% comment.
"IT IS BETTER TO REMAIN SILENT AND BE THOUGHT A FOOL THAN TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT."
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#314131 - 04/09/08 03:47 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Darth, for your information has brought such postings as:
99% of Porn Whores Have Genital Herpes and
Staph is the new Herpes
Do you wish to refute my statistics? Then you should do so. If a performer tests positive for Hep C, you don't report it to anyone. You keep it confidential. Has this never happened? If it has happened, has the performer always stopped working? If they didn't you have no recourse. Furthermore you do nothing to talk to talent they have worked with in the past 3 months. Hep C is very sexually contageous with all the unprotected butt sex. You are putting thousands of performers on their death beds. This is irresponsible from a medical and humanitarian perspective.
My education is more substantial than Sharon's $199 Internet doctorate even if it has nothing to do with health. I just want everyone to be aware that staph is running rampant in porn with dozens of girls contracting it AS AN STD, and Hep C, also not tested for, is very likely running rampant as well. The most widely contracted disease is Herpes - it never goes away and from my point of view all new girls who have done more than 15 scenes will have it. Male talent will fuck with herpes and lick staph pussy for a paycheck.
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#314132 - 04/09/08 03:50 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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ps - does the health department know how much herpes, staph, and hep c is spread around in porn? If you are such an expert, what % of people, active in porn, would you say have herpes or hep c. To any true insider, you best watch your response carefully.
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#314133 - 04/09/08 04:48 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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ps - does the health department know how much herpes, staph, and hep c is spread around in porn? If you are such an expert, what % of people, active in porn, would you say have herpes or hep c. To any true insider, you best watch your response carefully.
YES!!!!!!!!!! The health dept. if FULLY aware of the std rates in the porn buissness. Call DR. kerner at the l.a.county health dept sexually transmitted disease dept, he will verify that.
The ONLY reason the county or state has not taken over the porn testing is because they are fully aware of what AIM does and fully aware that they are capapble of handling it. The referring physicians at AIM meet reualrly with county health.
HERPES type one Bout 85%
HERPES type two about 70%
AIM does LOTS of things that nobody outside of the buissness ever hear about.
Edited by misterz (04/09/08 05:06 PM)
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#314134 - 04/09/08 05:17 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Darth, I agree completely that these are issues that need to be addressed and AIM does that. They offer the tests, counseling and vaccinations. We agree that this is important but it think our disagreement is with who should be responsible.
AIM can only do tests that are requested by the patient. Mitch would be the first to agree that all these other things should be routine, but try to get the talent and the agents to go along with that..AIM's hands are tied by the law, they cant just run tests on people unless the people ask for it. Or would you prefer for the STATE to step in and pass laws regarding your personal health? That is the only other option.
Staph and hepc are not news to porn performers. And you didnt even mention HPV. Talk about running rampant.
Thanks for your posts, but lets put the blame where it belongs, THE TALENT, AGENTS, AND PRODUCERS
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#314135 - 04/09/08 05:24 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Everything I've read out there is pretty clear about the unlikelihood of HepC being transmitted sexually. Is the info just out of date? CAn anyone cite any cases of Hep C being spread? Just curious...
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#314136 - 04/09/08 05:32 PM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Darth, for your information has brought such postings as:
99% of Porn Whores Have Genital Herpes and
Staph is the new Herpes
Do you wish to refute my statistics? Then you should do so. If a performer tests positive for Hep C, you don't report it to anyone. You keep it confidential. Has this never happened? If it has happened, has the performer always stopped working? If they didn't you have no recourse. Furthermore you do nothing to talk to talent they have worked with in the past 3 months. Hep C is very sexually contageous with all the unprotected butt sex. You are putting thousands of performers on their death beds. This is irresponsible from a medical and humanitarian perspective.
My education is more substantial than Sharon's $199 Internet doctorate even if it has nothing to do with health. I just want everyone to be aware that staph is running rampant in porn with dozens of girls contracting it AS AN STD, and Hep C, also not tested for, is very likely running rampant as well. The most widely contracted disease is Herpes - it never goes away and from my point of view all new girls who have done more than 15 scenes will have it. Male talent will fuck with herpes and lick staph pussy for a paycheck.
I'll say it one more time AIM DOES test for hep and staph and hpv and everything else, they just dont make it public. And where do you get this "dozens of girl are getting staph", and hep c is likely to be running rampant. Both statements are simply not true. What is true is that these things do occur, and when they do they are delt with. Just becasue ADULTFYI, and LUKE FORD and AVN dont write about it doesnt mean it doesnt get done.
p.s. AIM does a TON of herpes tests every month, along with pap smears(HPV),throat cultures, etc etc
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#314138 - 04/09/08 06:45 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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I have no idea. A big misunderstanding.
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#314140 - 04/14/08 09:47 AM
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Isn't that how Brandon Iron became infamous on this board for posting under multiple aliases? And got caught?
I call bullshit on that but can let the joke go on as long as you want it to. Between trolling for whores, shooting them, editing, etc. I just do not have the time to goof around. That is the truth.
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#314141 - 04/16/08 04:50 AM
Re: Hepatitis - Not tested by AIM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 11/03/06
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Darth, for your information has brought such postings as:
99% of Porn Whores Have Genital Herpes and
Staph is the new Herpes
Do you wish to refute my statistics? Then you should do so. If a performer tests positive for Hep C, you don't report it to anyone. You keep it confidential. Has this never happened? If it has happened, has the performer always stopped working? If they didn't you have no recourse. Furthermore you do nothing to talk to talent they have worked with in the past 3 months. Hep C is very sexually contageous with all the unprotected butt sex. You are putting thousands of performers on their death beds. This is irresponsible from a medical and humanitarian perspective.
My education is more substantial than Sharon's $199 Internet doctorate even if it has nothing to do with health. I just want everyone to be aware that staph is running rampant in porn with dozens of girls contracting it AS AN STD, and Hep C, also not tested for, is very likely running rampant as well. The most widely contracted disease is Herpes - it never goes away and from my point of view all new girls who have done more than 15 scenes will have it. Male talent will fuck with herpes and lick staph pussy for a paycheck.
I'll say it one more time AIM DOES test for hep and staph and hpv and everything else, they just dont make it public. And where do you get this "dozens of girl are getting staph", and hep c is likely to be running rampant. Both statements are simply not true. What is true is that these things do occur, and when they do they are delt with. Just becasue ADULTFYI, and LUKE FORD and AVN dont write about it doesnt mean it doesnt get done.
p.s. AIM does a TON of herpes tests every month, along with pap smears(HPV),throat cultures, etc etc
Ok misterz, but you still haven't answered the question of what % of porn performers DO have Hep C - the whole reason you got riled up at Darth in the first place was because his guesstimate of 50% was way too high in your opinion. Ok, so what IS the realistic %? Also, you wrote that it is true that Hep C and other STD's do occur, and "when they do they are delt with."
How are they dealt with? When someone gets Hep C and Aim finds out, how do they deal with it?
Finally, what is AIMs official opinion, is Hep C spread sexually or not?
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#314142 - 04/16/08 05:28 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Ok misterz, but you still haven't answered the question of what % of porn performers DO have Hep C - the whole reason you got riled up at Darth in the first place was because his guesstimate of 50% was way too high in your opinion. Ok, so what IS the realistic %? Also, you wrote that it is true that Hep C and other STD's do occur, and "when they do they are delt with."
How are they dealt with? When someone gets Hep C and Aim finds out, how do they deal with it?
Finally, what is AIMs official opinion, is Hep C spread sexually or not?
AIM will run a HEP c antibody test. That is merely a screening test to see if other folow up tests are needed to 'diagnose' someone as HEP C positive. Those tests can include PCR viral load, or HEP C "riba' test, and even a liver biopsy. AIM is NOT a "primary care" facility. A person who tests positve for the hepc antibody will be reffered to a primary care facility for the follow up testing.
Is HEP C considered an STD? Good question. You could ask 10 different HEP specialist and get 10 different answwers. There is very low risk of transmittng HEP C through sexual contact but it can happen.
You can log onto aim-med .org and put hepatitis in the search box and see several articles. One relates to an incident in the industry about 3 or 4 years ago where a girl got a positive antibody result and the gossip mongers here and trhoughout the industry hung her out to dry.(HER AGENT TOLD OTHER PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY) Turns out she had been exposed to HEPC years ago, but as often happens, her body fought off the infection, leaving her with the antibodies. Her follow up test revealed she no longer carried the virus, but the damage to her performing carrer was already done.
When someone is diagnosed with something that is not on the release form from AIM, they CANNOT and WILL NOT release that information. That is just the LAW. The patients are medicated, reffered for follow up treatment and counseled on how their particular 'disesase" is relevant to their performing carreer. AIM DOES NOT MAKE THE RULES FOR THE INDUSTRY. IN FACT NOBODY DOES, EXCEPT THE TALENT THEMSELVES.
What % of performers have active HEP C? I beleibve AIM has not had a positive hepc "diagnosed"(full followup testing included) for over four years. I would estimate that less than 1/2 of 1%.
Most performers do test for hep and get vaccinated for hep a&b.
The San Fernando porn industry is well aware of the risks involved. There are about 1000 working performers a monthe in tne valley. EVERYBODY knows that if you are having unprotected sex with multiple partners, who in turn are having unprotected sex with multipe partners and so on and so on, then there is risk for many,many ,many diseases.(You should see how many performers get the flu each year)
IT IS SIMPLY THE INDIVIDUAL PERFORMERS RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS,AND TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
AIM EXISTS TO ASSIST THE PERFORMERS IN MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS, NOT TO MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR THEM.
SHOULD MORE TESTS BE ADDED TO THE MONTHLY SCREENING AND RELEASE FORM? THAT IS UP TO THE TALENT, NOT, I REPEAT NOT, UP TO AIM.
Why do you think the gay industry doesnt test at all? Because if they did there would be a record of the std and hiv rate in that industry, and that is something that nobody in the gay industry wants to have verified.
It would be very interesting to get some feedback from the performers who share this board. Gia, Brnadon, what do you think about the hepc in porn? Perhaps they would like to share their personal standards regarding this issue, and any annecdotes they might have regarding personal experience with this issue.
My guess is that no performers will respond to this question, just like nobody in the buissness will ever answer the question......"What did the industry ever do for any performers who got HIV?"
Of course everyone rallies around the producers when the obscenity charges are filed, but what type of SUPPORT is given the the hiv infected performers? So, on behalf of the entire industry i will answer this question for them one final time. THE 'INDUSTRY' HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING,ZERO,ZIP,ZILCH,NADA. and nobody in the industry will come on here to dispute that. Nobody on ADT disputed it either.
Edited by misterz (04/16/08 05:49 PM)
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#314144 - 04/16/08 06:33 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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If you want numbers or % maybe this link will be useful. Take a look, specially, in the paragraph number 30. http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=52430HIV testing The extent of infection among those performers is unknown because no government or regulatory medical agency has ever tracked the industry consistently. The limited data that does exist is alarming. The Adult Industry Medical HealthCare Foundation (AIM), an industry-backed clinic in Sherman Oaks, administered voluntary tests to a group consisting primarily of adult film workers. Of 483 people tested between October 2001 and March 2002, about 40% had at least one disease. Nearly 17% tested positive for chlamydia, 13% for gonorrhea and 10% for hepatitis B and C, according to Sharon Mitchell, a former adult actress who founded AIM. None of the tests came up positive for HIV, Mitchell said. The testing was funded in part by the Los Angeles County Health Department. By comparison, 23,277 cases of gonorrhea were reported statewide in 2001, less than one-tenth of 1% of the state's population, according to the Department of Health Service's division of communicable disease control. For chlamydia, 101,871 cases were reported for the year, or about three-tenths of 1%--a rate health officials consider epidemic. The chlamydia rates in the porn world are about 57 times higher than those epidemic proportions. But that and other statistics can also be explained by the small size of the population and its abnormally high rate of sexual activity. ...I don´t know for sure but it seems to me a trustworthy reading.
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#314145 - 04/16/08 09:44 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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If you want numbers or % maybe this link will be useful. Take a look, specially, in the paragraph number 30.
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=52430
HIV testing
The extent of infection among those performers is unknown because no government or regulatory medical agency has ever tracked the industry consistently. The limited data that does exist is alarming. The Adult Industry Medical HealthCare Foundation (AIM), an industry-backed clinic in Sherman Oaks, administered voluntary tests to a group consisting primarily of adult film workers. Of 483 people tested between October 2001 and March 2002, about 40% had at least one disease. Nearly 17% tested positive for chlamydia, 13% for gonorrhea and 10% for hepatitis B and C, according to Sharon Mitchell, a former adult actress who founded AIM. None of the tests came up positive for HIV, Mitchell said. The testing was funded in part by the Los Angeles County Health Department.
By comparison, 23,277 cases of gonorrhea were reported statewide in 2001, less than one-tenth of 1% of the state's population, according to the Department of Health Service's division of communicable disease control. For chlamydia, 101,871 cases were reported for the year, or about three-tenths of 1%--a rate health officials consider epidemic. The chlamydia rates in the porn world are about 57 times higher than those epidemic proportions. But that and other statistics can also be explained by the small size of the population and its abnormally high rate of sexual activity.
...I don´t know for sure but it seems to me a trustworthy reading.
So 10% of the industry has Hep B and C, but it isn't an STD? You are such a tool Mister. If you did a validation against the general population, you would clearly not even be a fraction of 1% of the total population... The FACTS are, that AIM is neglecting a very critical disease from it's testing. If a girl or guy tests with you for HEP, you do not let anyone know about it. It is their decision to keep working or not with the incurable disease.
This sickens me. To hear you come in here and say, "It's not AIM who sets the standards for testing, it is the talent is ridiculous. The talent have very little power 99% of the time. If AIM escalates to the government about Hep getting out of control (along with staph and other nasty bugs) perhaps something will be done about it. However, Sharon can't bite the hand that feeds her can she?
As sad as it is, porn needs to be regulated more. The girls never know when that load of cum is going to be a death sentence or give them a lifetime of medical issues. Guys never know what to expect or what disgusting rot is in that nasty vagina he's about to fuck. You know that super, anti-biotic resistent bugs are being created because pornstars pop anti-biotics like vitamins. The male talent is injecting shit into their dicks and taking Cealis or Viagra on a daily program. It's fucking up the health of the nation.
Yes these performers need the money and have very little skills to fall back on, but lets be realistic here. AIM doesn't care about the talent. If they did they would never let a HEP C + person back into the talent pool unchecked. Sure check for HIV, but let them die of some other incurable disease... and then pat yourselves on the back and blame the industry as a whole for not demanding more.
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#314146 - 04/16/08 10:01 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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The above article first appeared in the Los Angeles Times. The statistics are completely incorrect and when sharon mitchell notified the times of their errors, they refused to run a correction. The author of the article included all of the "contacts" as positive, thereby increasing the percentages by over 500%. When sharon mithcell notified the times of their errors they refused to print a correction. She even wrote a 'letter to the editor" which they refused to print. They used to have a link to that letter on the AIM website, but I dont see it there anymore.
Regarding the hep b&c rates reffered to in the article, Mitch always wondered where that number came from because she did not discuss that at all with the "reporter' from the times, who later claimed that the 'editors" made some 'changes' to her article. Yes, ther were some positive hep b antibody results but that was because those individuals had been vaccinated and therfore had the protective antibodies in their system. They did not have active hep b, actually, they were immune to it.
These statistics from this article have been used many times over the years, despite the fact that they are completely inaccurate. And typical of the L.a. Times, well they never let the facts get in the way of a good story, kind of like this site here. I will try to get a copy of Mitch's letter to the editor and print it here.
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#314147 - 04/16/08 10:16 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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And another one of the major mistakes in that article are the number of people tested. It was actuall 738,not 438, therefore throwing their statistics even farther from the truth.
But I got to give you credit for a good try Darth, but by using this article to prove your point youve actually done the exact opposite. Thank you
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#314148 - 04/16/08 10:27 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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To hear you come in here and say, "It's not AIM who sets the standards for testing, it is the talent is ridiculous. The talent have very little power 99% of the time.
I apologize for getting into a piss match with this guy, but his statements are just to far out there to go unanswered. I always strive to be accure and informative.
Now youre just being ridiculous. The talent has all the power, they can choose to be there or not. Nobody makes that decision for them.
And perhaps you can tell us then, Who sets the standards in the industry? It certainly isnt AIM. AIM is a charity, non profit organizastion that offers disount prices and counseling for adult performers.
Some performers have even stricter standards than the rountine hiv/gonn/chalm. They set their own standards,plain and simple, as does ev ery performer.
And DARTH, regarding yopur above statement about "letting them die....." please give us one name,just one.
And your statistical comparison to the entire polulation af california(lol), which includes infants,children,senior citizens, etc. is laughable. Try making a statistical comparison of the adult industry to ""sexually active adult betwween the ages of 18 and 30."
Can you believe this guy wants to compare std rates of infants and children, senoir citens etc, with porn stars. Youre reaching pretty far out there now, and in the process making yourself look like a complete idiot.
And i wont say that you sicken me, but i was laughing so hard reading your drivel that i fell off my chair and hurt myself. And I know i'm just feeding this guy here, but some poeple do like to get accurate info. regarding these very important issues. I hope to provide that.
And regarding your statement "if AIM cared....." if Mitch didnt care she would shut the doors and walk away. She takes less than 3000 a month in salary, and puts more money out of her own pocket into the place than the rest of the industry combined.
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#314149 - 04/17/08 04:44 AM
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Wow what a humanitarian she is.
But you are the one who is wrong here. You are skirting the issues. The LA times reports viable statistics, and refused to print a retraction from a fake doctor. Shocking.
You have already admitted knowing that Hep C + performers are in the talent pool. As a direct representative from AIM, you are failing the talent by allowing this to happen.
I am not in the business of naming positive performers. That is your job. My ex-gf got herpes from a shoot. It was terrible. Huge puss filled sores all over her vagina and asshole. How do you explain, "Oh that's just the business". The worst is, she got it from a G/G shoot sharing toys.
You have the nerve to tell us that only 70% of performers have Herpes 2? You dirty liar. 70% of a population fucking 30% with no condoms would make that 100% in a month the way our industry works. No... I would say the % is closer to 100%. How many girls have I had to refer to Dr. Rigg for Valtrex? It it inevitable. Without insurance the cost? $400 a month? Hey guess what! Come to porn! You'll make $100k a year but have to take Valtrex for the rest of your life!
Again, THANKS AIM HEALTHCARE!!! The straight industry is like the gay industry in regards to Herpes. You don't test, because everyone has it and who needs those statistics getting out to mainstream. Before her retraction and denial, we even had Belladonna stating that Herpes was just a part of what happens to everyone in the business. Herpes is a life-long gift given to every adult performer with a respectable number of scenes under their belt... and yet you test for the easily curable clap and ghonoreah. A Hep C epidemic is coming. Some poor young newcomer is going to get it, find out, and smartly sue the industry. I'd like to see AIM get ripped along with these other jokers for ruining all these lives.
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#314150 - 04/17/08 10:26 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Wow what a humanitarian she is.
But you are the one who is wrong here. You are skirting the issues. The LA times reports viable statistics, and refused to print a retraction from a fake doctor. Shocking.
You have already admitted knowing that Hep C + performers are in the talent pool. As a direct representative from AIM, you are failing the talent by allowing this to happen.
I am not in the business of naming positive performers. That is your job. My ex-gf got herpes from a shoot. It was terrible. Huge puss filled sores all over her vagina and asshole. How do you explain, "Oh that's just the business". The worst is, she got it from a G/G shoot sharing toys.
You have the nerve to tell us that only 70% of performers have Herpes 2? You dirty liar. 70% of a population fucking 30% with no condoms would make that 100% in a month the way our industry works. No... I would say the % is closer to 100%. How many girls have I had to refer to Dr. Rigg for Valtrex? It it inevitable. Without insurance the cost? $400 a month? Hey guess what! Come to porn! You'll make $100k a year but have to take Valtrex for the rest of your life!
Again, THANKS AIM HEALTHCARE!!! The straight industry is like the gay industry in regards to Herpes. You don't test, because everyone has it and who needs those statistics getting out to mainstream. Before her retraction and denial, we even had Belladonna stating that Herpes was just a part of what happens to everyone in the business. Herpes is a life-long gift given to every adult performer with a respectable number of scenes under their belt... and yet you test for the easily curable clap and ghonoreah. A Hep C epidemic is coming. Some poor young newcomer is going to get it, find out, and smartly sue the industry. I'd like to see AIM get ripped along with these other jokers for ruining all these lives.
The 'viable' statistics that the Times printed were supposedly from AIM. They were completely inaccurate, regarless of the type of degree that mitch has.
Sorry about your girlfriend but....
Did she ask for her partners to be tested for herpes before the shoot? Why not?
She chose to have unprotected sex with someone that she knew was having lots of unprotected sex with alot of people.
Did your girlfirein watch the copy of porn 101 she recieved when she first came to AIM?
Did your girlfriend know that there is always risk involved when having unprotected sex?
Did she get tested for hep c before her first shoot, or hep b, etc etc etc.? Why not?
Whi is it not her own fault for getting herpes? She is an adult who decided to have unprotected sex. Nobody forced her to do it. Why did she get into porn in the first place. After she got herpes did she continue to work? How many people did SHE infect before she got tested and found out she had herpes?
In an above post you use the term "smelly rotten vagina,"Was that a refernece to your girlfriend?
I do NOT work for AIM and I do NOT work in the adult buissness in any way shape or form. So, how do I know all this? Lots of folks in the industry would love to know the answer to that.
And DARTH, believe it or not i completely AGREE with you that much more should be done. AND it is the TALENT that needs to do it. DONT blame the charity for 'not doing enough'
Without AIM there would be NOTHING at all.
Like I said I agree with the overall message youre sending, I just disagree with who should be resposnsibe. I believe it is the TALENT who should be responsible to make their own ADULT choices.
If someone goes to DR. Rigg and tests positive, does West Coast Urgent Care notify anybody other than the patient? NO
Heres a tip...if you dont want to get burned,. dont play with fire. If you dont want to catch std's, dont have unprotected sex with multiple partners, who in turn are having sex with multiple partners and so on and so on.
There is a section in Porn 101 that talks directly about using toys in a scene and how they are very good carriers of gonn/herpes, hpv ect.The same information is availble in pamphlets that are right on the fromt desk of both AIM locations. I'm very sorry your girlfriend did not take the time to educate herself. She was probably(i dont know for sure) looking for a quick buck, like most girls in porn.
p.s. Belladonna is one of those performers who has a personal standard that is more strict than the regular industry testing. If you work with her and ask for those test restults she will gladly share them with you, and she will expect the same in return. Thats being a responsible performer.If you dont have the tests that she requires you to have in order to work with her, SHE will pay to have them done.
Your assumptions are based on what? YOU stated tha I am a "direct representitive of AIM? Where did you get that information. It is completely incorrect.
Again, sorry about your girlfriend, she made some very bad choices, and now shes paying the price. Unfortunately she is not alone. Hopefully you will support her in her time of need, even if she has a smelly rotten vagina.
Could you possibly tell us how to produce "no condom' porn without the risk of std's? If you can do that then all these problems would be solved.
I'll ask this one more time, how many people did your girlfriend infect before she got tested and found out she had herpes? Did she then notify the people she had worked with that she had herpes? If not, why? I think i've answered every direct question youve posed to me. Please answer mine.
Where did you get the incorrect info. that I work for AIM?
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#314152 - 04/17/08 03:19 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
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Can someone please make a short summary of this thread (around 800 words)? I don't want to wrestle through Darth's and this 'Doctor' Mitchell fanboi's epic text battle.
Thanks in advance.
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#314153 - 04/17/08 03:55 PM
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Can someone please make a short summary of this thread (around 800 words)? I don't want to wrestle through Darth's and this 'Doctor' Mitchell fanboi's epic text battle.
Thanks in advance.
Sharon Mitchell Fanboi gets bounced from ADT, comes here, starts an arguement about STDs and loses...
To Darth, of all people.
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#314155 - 04/17/08 03:57 PM
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I believe the above post contained 265 words.
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#314156 - 04/17/08 03:57 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Can someone please make a short summary of this thread (around 800 words)? I don't want to wrestle through Darth's and this 'Doctor' Mitchell fanboi's epic text battle.
I'll be brief,
Darth is bitter because his imaginary porn star girlfriend was so dumb she didnt realize you can get herpes by having unprotected sex with multiple partners. And when somebody (me) pointed out that it was her own decisions that put her in that place he couldnt handle it.
In a nutshell,,,,,You are responsible to educate yourself about the risks in anything you do, not a "charity organization". Porn is ugly and dirty and risky, yet his imaginary girlfriend chose to participate, and is now suffering the consequences deep inside darths' mind.
And yes, i'm a big mitchie fan.
Thanks in advance.
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#314157 - 04/17/08 04:00 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
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Thank you, gentlemen!
I´m still confused, but at a much higher level....
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#314159 - 04/17/08 04:10 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Thanks fatman, and i wasnt booted from adt. At least not yet. As we all know, the TRUTH is the one thing that scares the porn industry more than anything. As you will see, not a single performer or 'real' industry insider has ever contradicted a single thing i've ever posted. And those in the industry who do know who I am know that Ive barely touched the surface of these issues. I'm saving the good stuff for my book which will probably be out in OCT or NOV. of this year. I promise to send every xxxporntalk subscriber on this thread a free copy. And yes, my editor gets just as mad with my spelling and puncuation as everyone on these boards do. He is earning his money on this one.
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#314160 - 04/17/08 04:32 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Actually Darth and I agree alot more than we disagree. For reasons far to complicated to be intellligently discussed here, there is no legal oversight for health and safety in the porn biz, unlike any other industry in the U.S. Because of that, PERSONAL resposibility is the only "system" available.
Should there be some type of govt. oversight like any other industry. I believe both Darth and myself would say yes. Util then I hold the performers responsible for their actions, and Darth wants to put the blame on a charity organization. Neither of us will ever convince the ohter that they are wrong. Darth cant convince me I'm wrong because I'm not. And Darth will never admit to being wrong because, well, I think he has probably always blamed others for his imaginary porn star girlfriends problems.
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