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Meh. If they'd had a plan, one that worked, nobody would give a shit, Saddaam would be gone, Iran would be surrounded and Cheney would've had a shitload of cheap oil to play with. Everybody would've been happy. But they didn't listen: To Gen. Shinseki, to Iraqi ex-pats and opposition leaders, to Poppy Bush's people, to ANYONE. The only one who had any luck in his sector was Petraeus, when he commanded the 101st Airborne. He listened to his subordinates, listened to the local chieftains in his sector, and won the hearts and minds of most Iraqis in his sector. That's why I say give the guy a chance. He's the only one with a clue.



I hate to agree with Jim but he's dead right on this one. I fucking HATE that we're there and the numbnut, bullshit, lying, reasons for it, but if we don't clean up the mess that we made, we're fucked!
Meanwhile, Iran has enough centrifuges to build a dozen big bombs a year and they're ramping up production 100 fold by the end of the decade.
Does the fact that the 10,000 year old Mayan Calendar ends on December 21st, 2012 freak anyone else out?
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