The problem with the whole guns debate is that both sides use only idiotic, unrealistic, extreme arguments. If the left would just say "yeah, most gun owners are responsible and deserve to have them" and the right would just say "yeah, there are some people that are just too stupid or too much of an asshole to own guns" maybe a fair compromise could be attained.
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It was a wonderful community with some very enjoyable members. But the vast majority were like German housewives circa 1943 prenteding that horrib;le smell wafting through their open windowsd was just the neighbors having a cookout..--Windsock