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#308217 - 03/18/08 04:12 PM From his cold dead hands
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Looks like it won't be coming to that.

This is good for gun-owners. It will take years for the wacko disarmament fringe to mount another case.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans have a right to own guns, Supreme Court justices declared Tuesday in a historic and lively debate that could lead to the most significant interpretation of the Second Amendment since its ratification two centuries ago.



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#308218 - 03/18/08 07:14 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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This is going to have the potential for some great empirical data in a few years, as D.C. has perennially been among the cities with the highest murder rates for years, as I'm sure you all know. Let's see if the gun = peacemaker concept bears it's fruit.

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#308219 - 03/18/08 07:27 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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This is good for gun-owners. It will take years for the wacko disarmament fringe to mount another case.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans have a right to own guns, Supreme Court justices declared Tuesday in a historic and lively debate that could lead to the most significant interpretation of the Second Amendment since its ratification two centuries ago.


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As a canuck, the 2nd amendment has always intrigued me. Do you think Americans should be able to own any kind (and as many ) of any kind of gun they want?
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#308220 - 03/18/08 07:33 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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This is going to have the potential for some great empirical data in a few years, as D.C. has perennially been among the cities with the highest murder rates for years, as I'm sure you all know. Let's see if the gun = peacemaker concept bears it's fruit.




God bless the founding fathers/nra...
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#308221 - 03/18/08 08:11 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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I enjoy shooting squirrels with my paintball gun. God Bless Ben Franklin and the founding perverts...

I once fired a Thompson with a Drum Magazine and the backlash sent me and my wheelchair backwards 20 feet...I forgot to lock my wheels.
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#308222 - 03/18/08 10:34 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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God bless the founding fathers/nra...
Black on black for the win. amirite




You're one hell of a Machiavelli, Lou.

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Do you think Americans should be able to own any kind (and as many ) of any kind of gun they want?




I don't think that the average American citizen needs to have an automatic assault rifle, or certain kinds of rounds that would be inherently lethal if used against fully armored police.
I've fired a lot of various guns in my day, and I'll have hell to pay at the gates for the many frogs & chipmunks & birds that met their maker at the end of my gunsights. That said, while I've attained the NRA expert ranking as a teen, I don't personally own a firearm and haven't even fired one in over a decade. That could change I suppose, but I stay out of trouble, don't bling, and don't look like an easy mark.


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#308223 - 03/18/08 10:45 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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This is good for gun-owners. It will take years for the wacko disarmament fringe to mount another case.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans have a right to own guns, Supreme Court justices declared Tuesday in a historic and lively debate that could lead to the most significant interpretation of the Second Amendment since its ratification two centuries ago.


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As a canuck, the 2nd amendment has always intrigued me. Do you think Americans should be able to own any kind (and as many ) of any kind of gun they want?




White people should be allowed to own as many guns as we want. Blacks, not so much. The vast majority of gun murders in this country are committed by blacks and most of the victims are black .... oh wait, maybe blacks should have all the guns they want. Hell, maybe the government should require all blacks to own guns. The government could require proof of gun ownership before sending them their welfare checks. I realize that smacks of social engineering. Maybe I'm turning into a liberal. Let's hear it for social engineering, yo.
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#308224 - 03/18/08 11:22 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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The problem with the whole guns debate is that both sides use only idiotic, unrealistic, extreme arguments. If the left would just say "yeah, most gun owners are responsible and deserve to have them" and the right would just say "yeah, there are some people that are just too stupid or too much of an asshole to own guns" maybe a fair compromise could be attained.
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#308225 - 03/19/08 12:45 AM Re: From his cold dead hands
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The problem with the whole guns debate is that both sides use only idiotic, unrealistic, extreme arguments. If the left would just say "yeah, most gun owners are responsible and deserve to have them" and the right would just say "yeah, there are some people that are just too stupid or too much of an asshole to own guns" maybe a fair compromise could be attained.




That's kinda what I was driving at. You see people that aren't fit to own a fucking goldfish or don't accept evolution as fact, yet they are trusted with a loaded weapon. Now I'm not thrilled with gun ownership disappearing, but you gotta wonder about a group of people that vilifies anyone with a different interpretation of the 2nd amendment, yet sits on its ass when a presidential frontrunner says he'd change the constitution to make it more in line with "god's" word.
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#308226 - 03/19/08 03:42 AM Re: From his cold dead hands
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I don't think that the average American citizen needs to have an automatic assault rifle, or certain kinds of rounds that would be inherently lethal if used against fully armored police.




See, I take the opposite view, since it's handguns that are predominately used to commit crimes, whereas assault weapons (which can't really be concealed) will be needed for the purpose envisioned by the founders in the 2nd amendment if the Government ever (?) gets too far out of line. After all, the very incident that sparked the Revolution, the British raids at Lexington and Concord, were simply an attempt to seize and destroy Colonial stockpiles of arms that General Gage feared would be used against his troops. The fact that he was correct in that assumption is irrelevant; the founders wanted to ensure that if the government ever got out of line, the people would have the means to remedy the situation.

Having said that, this all boils down to the old Legislation vs. Enforcement debate. Liberals seek more restrictions on weapons of all types while conservatives argue that we don't need new laws, simply seek stricter enforcement of the laws we already have. While I normally side with the liberals on domestic issues, I've gotta go with the conservatives on this one. New laws aren't going to mean shit unless DOJ has the will to enforce them.

In the instant case, DC enacted it's overreaching local law because the Feds have done NOTHING to shut down the Iron Pipeline along I-95. Zero. Zip. Zilch. That's just wrong. Might additional laws become necessary in the future? Perhaps, but we'll never know the truth until we have the balls to enforce the ones we have.

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#308227 - 03/19/08 02:34 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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I love gun debates, warms my heart.
It's interesting to read the different perspectives from around the country re: floof and jim b. I totally relate with floof but Jim b's initial point is spot on.

That being said, a trained rifleman is the very definition of mass murder. Concealment goes out the window when someone can reach out and touch you from over 100 yards.
Now add the component of automatic feed for close up spray and pray which modern technology now affords us, and its easy to realize why automatic weapons should never be legalised. Licensed.... maybe.
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#308228 - 03/19/08 03:50 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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I love gun debates, warms my heart.
It's interesting to read the different perspectives from around the country re: floof and jim b. I totally relate with floof but Jim b's initial point is spot on.

That being said, a trained rifleman is the very definition of mass murder. Concealment goes out the window when someone can reach out and touch you from over 100 yards.
Now add the component of automatic feed for close up spray and pray which modern technology now affords us, and its easy to realize why automatic weapons should never be legalised. Licensed.... maybe.




Yeah, but Lou, what you're talking about is a sniper, which is pretty fucking rare in our society. The Lee Boyd Malvos and Lee Harvey Oswalds of this world are going to get their hands on those weapons no matter what safeguards are in place. Snipers are determined, usually demented and more often than not well above average in intelligence. They will always find a way, and it's usually the person you least suspect.

What I'm talking about is cheap, readily available hardware that the average 15-year-old can pick up without that much time or effort. I'm talking about poorly made handguns that have been rejected by most of the armies and police forces in the world, no matter how poor the country. These are the people who have hijacked the once-proud NRA: manufacturers of shitty "Saturday Night Specials," who don't put nearly as much thought into the craftsmanship of their weapons as they do into finding new ways to line the pockets of various members of Congress.

Determined fucks are going to find themselves weapons no matter what we permit or allow. But if we can choke the supply of $50 Gats to teenagers, we can cut the number of firearm deaths in this country considerably. No one ever hears of a liquor store being robbed with a Kalashnikov...

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#308229 - 03/19/08 07:25 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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No one ever hears of a liquor store being robbed with a Kalashnikov...



But the clerk behind the counter might have one.

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#308230 - 03/19/08 07:44 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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Agreed Jim.. I acknowledged your city perspective and it's more than justified. But expecting the Constitution to account for socio-economic race issues in this day and age is ridiculous. Red and Blue son..
Re: your previous exemplification of the Brits at Concord/Lexington. That's war, what we have have now
is an educational/class struggle. The Constitution can only stretch so far. After that it's up to the electorate to decide what's just.

It's sad to say Jim, but I fully believe that any and all gun laws are now being based on the North Hollywood bank robberies circa Link.

The police were so badly outgunned by the AK'S the .40 cal pistol became prominent after this incident. You'll also note if you can obtain video footage that once the last remaining gunman's rifle jammed, he fired off a few pistol rounds and then took his own life.

Snipers do have their place, but assault rifles are where it's at in regards to gun laws.
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#308231 - 03/20/08 01:44 AM Re: From his cold dead hands
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I remember North Hollywood, Lou. But that's the exception, not the rule.

And I AM talking about socio-economic issues. Again, why are we allowing these cheap, piece of shit handguns (that no other country in the world would consider adopting) to be made en masse and shipped in trunks to inner cities where teenage thugs can buy them for less than a pair of sneakers and go out and kill a liquor store clerk, their fellow gangbangers, or, just as likely, innocent civilians? You want to address socio-economic issues? See Bornyo's black preacher clip in the Obama thread. That guy knows a thing or two about what's going on in the hood. Get money invested in that community. But in the meantime, maybe if we got rid of these piece of shit guns that the bangers can easily get their hands on (as opposed to, say, a Kalashnikov, which they'd never be able to afford)maybe we could stop some of the killing in the hood.

And as for the Revolution, it wasn't war until the then-Government decided it was going to take all of our weapons away. What did they think was going to happen?

@ Taint: So fucking what if the owner of the liquor store has a Kalashnikov? More power to him. Are you suggesting we keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Man's got a right to defend himself.

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#308232 - 03/20/08 01:25 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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Sorry I should have been more in depth, a liquor store owner or any law abiding citizen with no history of mental problems should be able to pack whatever kinda firepower they want.

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#308233 - 03/20/08 05:52 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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Sorry I should have been more in depth, a liquor store owner or any law abiding citizen with no history of mental problems should be able to pack whatever kinda firepower they want.




A-fucking-men. I have a carry and conceal permit myself. Someone tries to shoot me, I'm taking them with me.
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#308234 - 03/21/08 03:34 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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Who says the gun lobby lacks a sense of humor???


Gun paint company taunts Mayor Bloomberg with paints named after him


A Wisconsin company that disguises deadly firearms with bright paints and camouflage has a new target: Mayor Bloomberg.

Lauer Custom Weaponry, whose products were banned in the city in 2006 because they make dangerous guns look like innocent toys, is taunting the anti-gun mayor with a line of paints named "The Bloomberg Collection."

The company - which named its purple hue after Barney, the dinosaur beloved by toddlers - is peddling a rainbow of candy-colored paints for each of the five boroughs.

There's red for Manhattan, rose for the Bronx, blue for Brooklyn, green for Queens and orange for Staten Island.

And as an extra slap - a stencil of the mayor's face for the barrel of the gun.

Gun owners also can plunk down $129 for a "Bloomberg Collection EZ Camo Kit" to pimp out their semiautomatics and rifles with a brick wall and graffiti decoration.

It's no joke.

An outraged Bloomberg called gun-coloration kits "a tragedy in the making."

"Making a quick buck by coloring a handgun to look like a toy is craven and beneath any honest businessman," Bloomberg told the Daily News. "By coloring these guns, a real one looks like a toy, and a police officer won't be able to tell the difference."

"Imagine an officer who comes upon a teenager pointing a pink gun into a crowd. If the gun is a toy, an innocent teenager may be killed - and others, too.

"Our police officers have a hard enough job as it is, and that's why we passed a law to prevent these deadly tragedies from occurring."

It's just the latest time Bloomberg has come under fire from the weapons industry for his efforts to shut down New York's illegal gun trade.

Last year, a Virginia gun shop held a "Bloomberg raffle" - with the prize a brand-new gun - to protest the mayor's crackdown on stores he says are illegally peddling firearms that end up on New York streets.

Not to be left out, the National Rifle Association soon plastered a picture of Bloomberg as an octopus on the cover of its magazine.

This time, Bloomberg angered Steve Lauer, owner of Lauer Custom Weaponry, when he pushed through a law that punishes anyone who uses, buys or sells a gun-coloration kit in New York with a year in jail or a $1,000 fine.

"The mayor picked us out as being the pink-gun guys," said Toby Johnson, who described himself as Lauer's "right-hand man" at the Chippewa Falls company.

The bright paints were meant to help rescue workers and range masters locate guns more easily - not fool cops, Johnson said. They regularly sell the colors named after the boroughs and have even sold "five or six" Bloomberg camo kits, Johnson said.

Women also are big fans of the colors, he added.

"The ladies like it. They fashion their guns after their clothing," Johnson said.

But at least one woman was angered by the "shameful ploy" and "disgraceful marketing."

"In the hands of a child, a real gun made to look like a toy has deadly consequences," said City Council Speaker Christine Quinn (D-Manhattan).

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#308235 - 03/21/08 07:07 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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I remember North Hollywood, Lou. But that's the exception, not the rule.

And I AM talking about socio-economic issues. Again, why are we allowing these cheap, piece of shit handguns (that no other country in the world would consider adopting) to be made en masse and shipped in trunks to inner cities where teenage thugs can buy them for less than a pair of sneakers and go out and kill a liquor store clerk, their fellow gangbangers, or, just as likely, innocent civilians? You want to address socio-economic issues? See Bornyo's black preacher clip in the Obama thread. That guy knows a thing or two about what's going on in the hood. Get money invested in that community. But in the meantime, maybe if we got rid of these piece of shit guns that the bangers can easily get their hands on (as opposed to, say, a Kalashnikov, which they'd never be able to afford)maybe we could stop some of the killing in the hood.

And as for the Revolution, it wasn't war until the then-Government decided it was going to take all of our weapons away. What did they think was going to happen?

@ Taint: So fucking what if the owner of the liquor store has a Kalashnikov? More power to him. Are you suggesting we keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? Man's got a right to defend himself.




Heh..
So many sides to this.. gun coloring, the kid in my ava, affordable protection, Obama vs Osama. The perspectives are awesome and lmao at Canadians involving themselves.. Swallow something sharp wanna-be's.

Floof nailed it,
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I don't think that the average American citizen needs to have an automatic assault rifle, or certain kinds of rounds that would be inherently lethal if used against fully armored police.




Red or blue, thats how the constituency votes.

Socio-economics totaly play into the black on black scenario. Cheap piece of shit guns are like crack.

Whats fucked is the NRA's stance, all or nothing. How can you be for autoloading .50 cals and then publish stories of how a nog busted my cellar window and I sprayed all 7 of my .22 cartridges at him. Fucken unreal.

Btw Jim.. noone cares about killings in the hood, voters anyways, and at one time, ied's were not so affordable.
Ya can't legislate on based on the degenerate, you can quote me on that. lol
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#308236 - 03/21/08 07:18 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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Trust me, Lou, there are more degenerates inside the legislature than anywhere else.

I could care less about bangers killing each other. I do care about them killing innocent people, either during holdups or with the not-that-infrequent stray bullet these piece-of-shit guns (and half-assed shooters) discharge with alarming frequency. You'd think these "Law-and-Order" congressmen would care about that, too, but they care more about taking money and favors from the gun lobbyists and getting it on with their pages and interns.

You're right about the "all-or-nothing" policy. You'd think they'd focus more on the interests of legitimate gun owners.

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#308237 - 03/21/08 07:52 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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#308238 - 03/21/08 08:13 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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#308239 - 03/22/08 09:16 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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I will never understand this, they say we're allowed to bear arms but if caught with it you'll go to jail, makes no fucking sense to me. You need a permit, what if you can't get a permit in your name?, then does the Amendment still stand for you or is it like fuck you then, you dont have that right, you've been stripped of it?
Whatever, I sleep with mine.

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#308240 - 03/23/08 08:41 AM Re: From his cold dead hands
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...with no history of mental problems...




An important, yet largely overlooked distinction. After all, Luke owns a gun.

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#308241 - 04/05/08 09:41 PM Re: From his cold dead hands
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Well, now they can try...

Charlton Heston, Epic Film Star and N.R.A. Leader, Dies at 83

Charlton Heston, who appeared in some 100 films in his 60-year acting career but who is remembered chiefly for his monumental, jut-jawed portrayals of Moses, Ben-Hur and Michelangelo, died Saturday night at his home in Beverly Hills. He was 83.

His death was confirmed by a spokesman for the family, Bill Powers, who declined to discuss the cause.

In August 2002, Mr. Heston announced that he had been diagnosed with neurological symptoms “consistent with Alzheimer’s disease.”

“I’m neither giving up nor giving in,” he said.

Every actor dreams of a breakthrough role, the part that stamps him in the public memory, and Mr. Heston’s life changed forever when he caught the eye of the director Cecil B. De Mille. De Mille, who was planning his next biblical spectacular, “The Ten Commandments,” looked at the young, physically imposing Mr. Heston and saw his Moses.

When the film was released in 1956, more than three and a half hours long and the most expensive that De Mille had ever made, Mr. Heston became a marquee name. Whether leading the Israelites through the wilderness, parting the Red Sea or coming down from Mount Sinai with the tablets from God in hand, he was a Moses to remember.

Writing in The New York Times nearly 30 years afterward, when the film was re-released for a brief run, Vincent Canby called it “a gaudy, grandiloquent Hollywood classic” and suggested there was more than a touch of “the rugged American frontiersman of myth” in Mr. Heston’s Moses.

The same quality made Mr. Heston an effective spokesman, off-screen, for the causes he believed in. Late in life he became a staunch opponent of gun control. Elected president of the National Rifle Association in 1998, he proved to be a powerful campaigner against what he saw as the government’s attempt to infringe on a Constitutional guarantee — the right to bear arms.

In Mr. Heston, the N.R.A. found its embodiment of pioneer values — pride, independence and valor. In a speech at the N.R.A.’s annual convention in 2000, he brought the audience to its feet with a ringing attack on gun-control advocates. Paraphrasing an N.R.A. bumper sticker (“I’ll give you my gun when you take it from my cold, dead hands”) he waved a replica of a colonial musket above his head and shouted defiantly, “From my cold, dead hands!”

Mr. Heston’s screen presence was so commanding that he was never dominated by mammoth sets, spectacular effects or throngs of spear-waving extras. In his films, whether playing Buffalo Bill, an airline pilot, a naval captain or the commander of a spaceship, he essentially projected the same image — muscular, steely-eyed, courageous. If critics regularly used terms like “marble-monumental” or “granitic” to describe his acting style, they just as often praised his forthright, no-nonsense characterizations.

After his success in “The Ten Commandments,” Mr. Heston tried a change of pace. Another legendary Hollywood director, Orson Welles, cast him as a Mexican narcotics investigator in the thriller “Touch of Evil,” in which Welles himself played a murderous sheriff in a border town. Also starring Janet Leigh and Marlene Dietrich, the film, a modest success when it opened in 1958, came to be accepted as a noir classic.

But the following year Mr. Heston stepped back into the world of the biblical epic, this time under the director William Wyler. The movie was “Ben-Hur.” Cast as a prince of ancient Judea who rebels against the rule of Rome, Mr. Heston again dominated the screen. In the film’s most spectacular sequence, he and his co-star, Stephen Boyd, as his Roman rival, fight a thrilling duel with whips as their horse-drawn chariots careen wheel-to-wheel around an arena filled with roaring spectators.

“Ben-Hur” won 11 Academy Awards — a record at the time — including those for best picture, best director and, for Mr. Heston, best actor.

He went on to star opposite Sophia Loren in the 1961 release “El Cid,” battling the Moors in 11th-century Spain. As a Marine officer stationed in the Forbidden City in 1900, he helped put down the Boxer Rebellion in Nicholas Ray’s 1963 epic “55 Days at Peking.” In “Khartoum” (1966), he played Gen. Charles (Chinese) Gordon, who was killed in a desert uprising led in the film by Laurence Olivier’s Mahdi. When George Stevens produced and directed “The Greatest Story Ever Told” in 1965, there was Mr. Heston, back in ancient Judea, playing John the Baptist to Max von Sydow’s Jesus.

He portrayed Andrew Jackson twice, in “The President’s Lady” (1954) and “The Buccaneer” (1958). There were westerns (“Major Dundee,” “Will Penny,” “The Mountain Men”), costume dramas (“The Three Musketeers” and its sequel, “The Four Musketeers,” with Mr. Heston cast as the crafty Cardinal Richelieu in both) and action films aplenty. Whether playing a hard-bitten landowner in an adaptation of James Michener’s novel “The Hawaiians” (1970), or a daring pilot in “Airport 1975,” he could be relied on to give moviegoers their money’s worth.

In 1965 he was cast as Michelangelo in the film version of Irving Stone’s novel “The Agony and the Ecstasy.” Directed by Carol Reed, the film pitted Mr. Heston’s temperamental artist against Rex Harrison’s testy Pope Julius II, who commissioned Michelangelo to create frescoes on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Mr. Heston’s performance took a critical drubbing, but to audiences, the larger-than-life role seemed to be another perfect fit. Mr. Heston once joked: “I have played three presidents, three saints and two geniuses. If that doesn’t create an ego problem, nothing does.”

Mr. Heston was catapulted into the distant future in the 1968 science-fiction film “Planet of the Apes,” in which he played an astronaut marooned on a desolate planet and then enslaved by its rulers, a race of anthropomorphic apes. The film was a hit. He reprised the role two years later in the sequel, “Beneath the Planet of the Apes.”

Son of a Mill Owner

It was all a long way from Evanston, Ill., where Charlton Carter was born on Oct. 4, 1924, and from the small town of St. Helen, Mich., where his family moved when he was a small boy and where his father ran a lumber mill. He attended a one-room school and learned to fish and hunt and to savor the feeling of being self-reliant in the wild, where his shyness was no handicap.

When his parents divorced in the 1930s and his mother remarried — his stepfather’s surname was Heston — the family moved to the Chicago suburb of Winnetka. He joined the theater program at his new high school and went on to enroll at Northwestern University on a scholarship. By that time, he was convinced he had found his life’s work.

Mr. Heston also found a fellow drama student, Lydia Clarke, whom he married in 1944, just before enlisting in the Army Air Force. He became a radio-gunner and spent three years stationed in the Aleutian Islands. After his discharge, the Hestons moved to New York, failed to find work in the theater and, somewhat disenchanted but still determined, moved to North Carolina, where they spent several seasons working at the Thomas Wolfe Memorial Theater in Asheville.

When they returned to New York in 1947, Mr. Heston got his first big break, landing the role of Caesar’s lieutenant in a Broadway production of Shakespeare’s “Antony and Cleopatra” staged by Guthrie McClintick and starring Katharine Cornell. The production ran for seven months and proved to be the high point of Mr. Heston’s New York stage career. He appeared in a handful of other plays, most of them dismal failures, although his performance in the title role of a 1956 revival of “Mr. Roberts” won him praise.

If Broadway had little to offer him, television was another matter. He made frequent appearances in dramatic series like “Robert Montgomery Presents” and “Philco Playhouse.” The door to Hollywood opened when the film producer Hal B. Wallis saw Mr. Heston’s performance as Rochester in a “Studio One” production of “Jane Eyre.” Wallis offered him a contract.

Mr. Heston made his film debut in 1950 in Wallis’s “Dark City,” a low-grade thriller in which he played a small-time gambler. Two years later, he did his first work for De Mille as a hard-driving circus boss in “The Greatest Show on Earth.”

Throughout his career he studied long and hard for his roles. He prepared for the part of Moses by memorizing passages from the Old Testament. When filming began on the sun-baked slopes of Mount Sinai, he suggested to De Mille that he play the role barefoot — a decision that he felt lent an edge of truth to his performance.

Preparing for “The Agony and the Ecstasy,” he read hundreds of Michelangelo’s letters and practiced how to sculpt and paint convincingly. When filming “The Wreck of the Mary Deare” (1959), in which he played the pilot of a salvage boat, he learned deep-water diving. And he mostly rejected stunt doubles. In “Ben-Hur,” he said, he drove his own chariot for “about 80 percent of the race.”

“I worked six weeks learning how to manage the four white horses,” he said. “Nearly pulled my arms right out of their sockets.”

As the years wore on, the leading roles began to go to younger men, and by the 1980s, Mr. Heston’s appearances on screen were less frequent. He turned to stage work again, not on Broadway but in Los Angeles, at the Ahmanson Theater, where he played roles ranging from Macbeth to James Tyrone in “Long Day’s Journey into Night.” He also returned to television, appearing in 1983 as a paternalistic banker in the miniseries “Chiefs” and as an oil baron in the series “The Colbys.”

Rifles and a ‘Cultural War’

Mr. Heston was always able to channel some energies into the public arena. He was an active supporter of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., calling him “a 20th-century Moses for his people,” and participated in the historic march on Washington in 1963.

He served as president of the Screen Actors Guild from 1966 to 1971, following in the footsteps of his friend and role model Ronald Reagan. A registered Democrat for many years, he was nevertheless selective in the candidates he chose to support and often campaigned for conservatives.

In 1981, President Reagan appointed him co-chairman of the President’s Task Force on the Arts and Humanities, a group formed to devise ways to obtain financing for arts organizations. Although he had reservations about some projects supported by the National Endowment for the Arts, Mr. Heston wound up defending the agency against charges of elitism.

Again and again, he proved himself a cogent and effective speaker, but he rejected suggestions that he run for office, perhaps for a seat in the Senate. “I’d rather play a senator than be one,” he said.

He became a Republican after Democrats in the Senate blocked the confirmation of Judge Robert Bork, a conservative, to the Supreme Court in 1987. Mr. Heston had supported the nomination and was critical of the Reagan White House for misreading the depth of the liberal opposition.

Mr. Heston frequently spoke out against what he saw as evidence of the decline and debasement of American culture. In 1992, appalled by the lyrics on “Cop Killer,” a recording by the rap artist Ice T, he blasted the album at a Time Warner stockholders meeting and was a force in having it withdrawn from the marketplace.

In the 1996 elections, he campaigned on behalf of some 50 Republican candidates and began to speak out against gun control. In 1997, he was elected vice president of the N.R.A.

In December of that year, as the keynote speaker at the 20th anniversary gala of the Free Congress Foundation, Mr. Heston described “a cultural war” raging across America, “storming our values, assaulting our freedoms, killing our self-confidence in who we are and what we believe.”

The next year, at 73, he was elected president of the N.R.A. In his speech at the association’s convention before his election, he trained his oratorical artillery on President Bill Clinton’s White House: “Mr. Clinton, sir, America didn’t trust you with our health care system. America didn’t trust you with gays in the military. America doesn’t trust you with our 21-year-old daughters, and we sure, Lord, don’t trust you with our guns.”

He was in the news again after the shootings at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., in April 1999, when he declined to say that the N.R.A.’s annual membership meeting, scheduled to be held the following week in Denver, would be scaled back in light of the killings but not canceled.

In a memorable scene from “Bowling for Columbine,” his 2002 documentary about violence in America, the director, Michael Moore, visited Mr. Heston at his home and asked him how he could defend his pro-gun stance. Mr. Heston ended the interview without comment.

In May 2001, he was unanimously re-elected to an unprecedented fourth term by the association’s board of directors. The association had amended its bylaws in 2000 to allow Mr. Heston to serve a third one-year term as president. Two months after his celebrated speech at the 2000 convention, it was disclosed that Mr. Heston had checked himself into an alcohol rehabilitation program after the convention had ended.

Mr. Heston was proud of his collection of some 30 guns at his longtime home in the Coldwater Canyon area of Beverly Hills, where he and his wife raised their son, Fraser, and their adopted daughter, Holly Ann. They all survive him, along with three grandchildren.

Never much of a party animal, he spent his days either working, exercising, reading (he was fond of biographies) or sketching. An active diarist, he published several accounts of his career, including “The Actor’s Life: Journals 1956-1976” and “Beijing Diary: 1990,” about his trip to China to stage “The Caine Mutiny Court Martial.”

In 2003, Mr. Heston was among the recipients of the Presidential Medal of Freedom awarded that year by President George W. Bush. In 1997, he was also a recipient of the annual Kennedy Center honors.

Mr. Heston continued working through the 1990s, acting more frequently on television but also in occasional films. His most recent film appearance found him playing a cameo role, in simian makeup, in Tim Burton’s 2001 remake of “Planet of the Apes.”

He had announced in 1999 that he was receiving radiation treatments for prostate cancer.

He had always hated the thought of retirement and once explained his relentless drive as an actor. “You never get it right,” he said in a 1986 interview. “Never once was it the way I imagined it lying awake at 4 o’clock in the morning thinking about it the next day.” His goal remained, he said, “To get it right one time.”



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