I've lurked too long and had to post on this, I couldn't resist any longer. I know of neither of these guys outside of doing some research from this board. Donny Long taking on anyone who may be "unclean" is like Shit telling vomit it stinks. He looks like the maitre de at a meth lab...when is the last time he looked in the mirror. By the look of the girls on his site, he must "recruit" from the fast food rejects pile. End rant.