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#30586 - 06/08/04 09:16 PM Interracial porn: career killer?
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Now i don't mind interracial porn, when a white woman is with a black guy. So don't get my wrong by this post, but i have noticed that once a white female performer who starts out in the biz doing white guys only and then turns to doing some interracial stuff with black guys their career usually takes a tailspin into the gutter after. I mean if i was a white female performer i wouldn't do black guys. A) because most are very disrespectful during the scene and 2) it never helps a career and can only hurt it. My question is why do you think this is?. Does the vast majority of porn get sold in the south, do certain comanies and directors find themselves giving parts to white only performers. It isn't with just fringe porn stars either, im talking contract girls here (alexa rae, dasha, taylor hayes, jewel de nyle). I appluad anyone with the backbone to share their thoughts on this matter. Love always monkey
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#30587 - 06/08/04 09:24 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Personally I dont think that IR kills anyones career. I think that the girls personality kills their carreers. Once a girl turns into a turd no one wants to hire her. When they flake, no matter how hot they are, people dont want to waste their time. It has nothing to do with the fact they have done IR or not. Almost all the big stars have done IR that i can think of...

It doesnt make a difference...One of the hottest new up and commers is Gia Paloma...and she has a negro problem.
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#30588 - 06/08/04 09:28 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Personally I dont think that IR kills anyones career. I think that the girls personality kills their carreers. Once a girl turns into a turd no one wants to hire her. When they flake no matter how hot they are people dont want to waste their time. It has nothing to do with the fact they have done IR or not. Almost all the big stars have done IR that i can think of...

It doesnt make a difference...One of the hottest new up and commers is Gia Paloma...and she has a negro problem.




the biggest haven't and they are still regarded as the biggest, don't be naive. jenna jameson, chasey lain, ginger lynn, tori welles, krystal steal, the list goes on.
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#30589 - 06/08/04 09:35 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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jenna was the only girl i saw on that list that was anywhere close to someone big...and i personally have never bought anything of hers. She is plain and boring. If i wanted plain i would stroke to playboy. Something i havent done since i was 12.
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#30590 - 06/08/04 09:49 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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our idea of who is a star and who isnt are very different.

My idea of stars are:
Arianna Jollee
Katja Kassin
Nautica Thorn
Crystal Ray
Bridgette Kerkove
Monica Sweetheart
Cytheria
Jennifer Luv
Luci Thai
Gia Paloma
Lauren Phoenix
Roxy Giselle
Chloe Dior and many many others.
Im not a fan of vivid or other companies like that. Its not my thing. So basically my stars are doing fine with doing IR and it doesnt affect the way i think about them or about thinking of hiring them.
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#30591 - 06/08/04 11:08 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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our idea of who is a star and who isnt are very different.

My idea of stars are:
Arianna Jollee
Katja Kassin
Nautica Thorn
Crystal Ray
Bridgette Kerkove
Monica Sweetheart
Cytheria
Jennifer Luv
Luci Thai
Gia Paloma
Lauren Phoenix
Roxy Giselle
Chloe Dior and many many others.
Im not a fan of vivid or other companies like that. Its not my thing. So basically my stars are doing fine with doing IR and it doesnt affect the way i think about them or about thinking of hiring them.





Hey man when i say star i mean someone who moves units. Porn industry is a buisness and like in life the people who are the best at something aren't always given the same respect in movie sales or fees per scene. Jenna will out sell everyone on that list ten fold, britney spears will outsell most credible rock acts ten fold, etc,etc,etc. When i say stars it doesn't mean who i think the best performers are it means pornstars that sell the most movies staring them.
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#30592 - 06/09/04 02:21 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Tammi Lynn S. Offline
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Well, I know that the best fucks I've ever had were from black guys and most girls know that. (lol)

Seriously, I've had this told to me a couple times by guys involved in the business warning me that if I came into the industry to avoid doing interracial scenes. If I ever get over my fear of being the next Jessica Dee I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to not do IR since I like black guys.

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#30593 - 06/09/04 06:14 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Monkey, are you saying Ariana Jollee doesn't move units? My unit moves every time I see her.

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#30594 - 06/09/04 06:50 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Interracial Porn is probably the fastest growing segment of the industry. It moves off the shelves real quick. If it is getting more popular, I can only see interracial porn helping a womans career.
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#30595 - 06/09/04 07:06 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Well, I know that the best fucks I've ever had were from black guys and most girls know that. (lol)

Seriously, I've had this told to me a couple times by guys involved in the business warning me that if I came into the industry to avoid doing interracial scenes. If I ever get over my fear of being the next Jessica Dee I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to not do IR since I like black guys.




Don't worry Tami, if you did interracial porn, I would buy it I am white & don't have a problem with it.
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#30596 - 06/09/04 07:29 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Personally I dont think that IR kills anyones career. I think that the girls personality kills their carreers. Once a girl turns into a turd no one wants to hire her. When they flake no matter how hot they are people dont want to waste their time. It has nothing to do with the fact they have done IR or not. Almost all the big stars have done IR that i can think of...

It doesnt make a difference...One of the hottest new up and commers is Gia Paloma...and she has a negro problem.




the biggest haven't and they are still regarded as the biggest, don't be naive. jenna jameson, chasey lain, ginger lynn, tori welles, krystal steal, the list goes on.




Hey monkey I think you are wrong including Ginger Lynn on your list, she has done IR, with Tony Elay I think early in her career.
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#30597 - 06/09/04 08:07 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Lurid1 Offline
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Well, I know that the best fucks I've ever had were from black guys and most girls know that. (lol)





Don't say that to my blue-eyed blonde haired babe with a swastika on her ass!
btw, wtf is this about interracial porn being a career killer? It's rare to find a vid w/o a brother boinkin' some white bitches.

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#30598 - 06/09/04 08:13 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Does IR sell as well down south as it does elsewhere?
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#30599 - 06/09/04 11:01 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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btw, wtf is this about interracial porn being a career killer? It's rare to find a vid w/o a brother boinkin' some white bitches.



Does Vivid ever hire black guys?

I know they have Taya as a contract girl but maybe she's not too black for them.
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#30600 - 06/09/04 01:30 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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Does IR sell as well down south as it does elsewhere?





I doubt it sells at all, i know women who have done black guys and also strip on the side really don't like going down there. On ginger lynn doing a ir scene i was unawares, and on the vivid hiring blacks i can name ONE only heather hunter was a contract girl for them, but she was very lightskined and a female to boot and also came out when attractive pornstars were few and far between.
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#30601 - 06/09/04 01:47 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Very interesting post, as a pure consumer of porn I was only made aware of the large number of female who won't do IR when I started reading up on certain performers. I often wondered what is that all about.

Is it marketing, strictly preferences, fear, or simply people creating certain niches within the industry? Is it old fashion sterotypes? (all black me secretly want to fuck white women and when they do the women tend to go crazy)

Is there truth to the notion that it kills careers? I don't think we can use Jenna as a gauge because by most if not all standards she has excelled past any old preconceived notion of porn stardom. I think maybe that question can best be answered by some of the porn girls who post reguarly to have an honest discussion of the following points
1) was it ever recommended that you not do IR and if so what was the rationale used. and further more did you challenge that theory or simply take it to heart
2) did you start out not doing IR and now you do, why did you decide to? what were the real reasons you didn't?
3)what was the actual status of your career before you started IR? What was it after you did it? Has it effected the roles you have been offered?

I really think that this can best be answered by those who went through that. the rest is simply and will remain speculation.
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#30602 - 06/09/04 02:25 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Registered: 06/04/04
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I think the Monkey is a flaming turd that has infested this website and made everyone dumber with his inane post.

First off Jenna Jameson is like Hulk Hogan. She was pushed to stardom by a mega corporation (Wicked and Joy King). But look at all the big name stars right now
Carmen Luvana, ginger Lynn, Kylie Ireland, Jewel DeNyle, Aurora Snow, Gauge, Arianna Jolle, Taylor Rain, Miko Lee, Monica Sweetheart, Devon, Alexis Amore, etc
Working interracial is not a career killer. Vivid is softcore so nobody really care about them in terms of the average fan

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#30603 - 06/09/04 03:05 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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I think the Monkey is a flaming turd that has infested this website and made everyone dumber with his inane post.





Translation: your insults about porn radio and myself have really struck home and i realized how sad it was calling you smelly gay monkey so i have taken a few days to come back with this in the hope it hits home the same way your comment did with me.


and no it didn't. Here have an apple.
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#30604 - 06/09/04 03:06 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Now i don't mind interracial porn, when a white woman is with a black guy. So don't get my wrong by this post, but i have noticed that once a white female performer who starts out in the biz doing white guys only and then turns to doing some interracial stuff with black guys their career usually takes a tailspin into the gutter after.





You've got the cause and effect wrong, monkey. Their career goes into a tailspin--they're older, played out, and getting that hard look that women get after about five years in the business--and they need to do something to get a few more bucks for their boyfriend's recording career. They get paid bigtime by someone to do their "first interracial scene ever!" which will sell to their hardcore fans and some who remember when they were a prissy Vivid bitch. And after that bump, the downward spiral continues.
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#30605 - 06/09/04 03:14 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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You've got the cause and effect wrong, monkey. Their career goes into a tailspin--they're older, played out, and getting that hard look that women get after about five years in the business--and they need to do something to get a few more bucks for their boyfriend's recording career. They get paid bigtime by someone to do their "first interracial scene ever!" which will sell to their hardcore fans and some who remember when they were a prissy Vivid bitch. And after that bump, the downward spiral continues.





So you are saying that all of these women are on their last legs and to get the last final big pay day they do IR?. Like when a cop retires after 20-30 years in the force they get a gold watch, former contract girls get a black dick before they are shown the door?. It would be nice to believe that but i still think a lot of companies frown upon their performers doing IR, i think alexa rare has gotten hotter throughout her time in porn and her popularity has taken a huge dip since she has done a few IR scenes, taylor hayes same thing.
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#30606 - 06/09/04 04:54 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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The male "talent" pool is not as large as the womens. I think from a directors point of view they can only shoot the meat puppet and "whore" together only so many different times and ways. And I agree with Guido the smilingarab with the female eventually being out-shot.

I personally could care less what color the dude is as long as the director shows the pussy getting worked over, the asshole being gaped or the throat being gagged. Then I'm a happy man
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#30607 - 06/09/04 05:14 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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I personally could care less what color the dude is as long as the director shows the pussy getting worked over, the asshole being gaped or the throat being gagged. Then I'm a happy man





You must not be familar with the work of wesley pipes, lex steele and jake steed then. Male performers can make or break a scene and those people are scene breakers.
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#30608 - 06/09/04 05:19 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
smutspov Offline
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I personally could care less what color the dude is as long as the director shows the pussy getting worked over, the asshole being gaped or the throat being gagged. Then I'm a happy man





You must not be familar with the work of wesley pipes, lex steele and jake steed then. Male performers can make or break a scene and those people are scene breakers.




scene breakers? there, that proves it. you ARE
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#30609 - 06/09/04 05:27 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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I personally could care less what color the dude is as long as the director shows the pussy getting worked over, the asshole being gaped or the throat being gagged. Then I'm a happy man


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You must not be familar with the work of wesley pipes, lex steele and jake steed then. Male performers can make or break a scene and those people are scene breakers.


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scene breakers? there, that proves it. you ARE





LOL. I love how i have given personal, graphic details from my relationship with fayner and nothing is said, yet i say something like male talent can make or break a scene and thats what everyone calls me a homosexual on?. Smuthut guy haven't you go the video reviews board to moderate on?. I think you need to monitor all 3 threads posted there in the past week, it could get out of control.
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#30610 - 06/09/04 07:26 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Mikey Ropucha Offline
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I don't give a rat's ass whether the guy is white, black, green, or from Mars. If he can deliver a half-way decent cumshot to a non-CUM DODGING chick, I will pay to see it.

I am the Fred (and I am a customer) and that's my opinion.
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#30611 - 06/09/04 08:17 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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I don't give a rat's ass whether the guy is white, black, green, or from Mars. If he can deliver a half-way decent cumshot to a non-CUM DODGING chick, I will pay to see it.

I am the Fred (and I am a customer) and that's my opinion.





Watch wesley pipes ghetto up a scene or lex steele howl like a cat caught under a car tire when blowing his load and i but that opinion will change real quick.
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#30612 - 06/10/04 03:11 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
have2cit Offline
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I like IR porn, got no problem with it at all. I don't think it's a career killer though. What was that blonde whores name who did that Playboy TV call in show? It didn't hurt her career any.


I however would like to see more black females (not sammura) with white guys just don't think there is near enough of that going on.

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#30613 - 06/10/04 03:45 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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I like IR porn, got no problem with it at all. I don't think it's a career killer though. What was that blonde whores name who did that Playboy TV call in show? It didn't hurt her career any.






Which blonde that hosts a playboy show?. I just think that the majority of the higher scale companies subscribe to the whites only pies theory.
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#30614 - 06/10/04 04:43 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
have2cit Offline
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Which blonde that hosts a playboy show?. I just think that the majority of the higher scale companies subscribe to the whites only pies theory.





I remeber now it was Juli Ashton (hadn't had any coffee yet). I think she also only did movies for VCA and Wicked. She did some interacial stuff and got a gig on Playboy TV. She also did some softcore cable stuff.

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#30615 - 06/10/04 06:24 AM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Posts: 9489



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I personally could care less what color the dude is as long as the director shows the pussy getting worked over, the asshole being gaped or the throat being gagged. Then I'm a happy man


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You must not be familar with the work of wesley pipes, lex steele and jake steed then. Male performers can make or break a scene and those people are scene breakers.


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LOL. I love how i have given personal, graphic details from my relationship with fayner and nothing is said, yet i say something like male talent can make or break a scene and thats what everyone calls me a homosexual on?. Smuthut guy haven't you go the video reviews board to moderate on?. I think you need to monitor all 3 threads posted there in the past week, it could get out of control.




dude, they certainly can break a scene, but just keep your wesley pipes fantasies to yourself....
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#30616 - 06/10/04 01:02 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
Smelly Monkey Offline
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I remeber now it was Juli Ashton (hadn't had any coffee yet). I think she also only did movies for VCA and Wicked. She did some interacial stuff and got a gig on Playboy TV. She also did some softcore cable stuff.




Oh she doesn't count. She made it to where she is but being the first to cash in on porn on the internet. I never knew she did black dudes though, there you go. You learn something new everyday.
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#30617 - 06/10/04 04:35 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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It would be nice to believe that but i still think a lot of companies frown upon their performers doing IR, i think alexa rare has gotten hotter throughout her time in porn and her popularity has taken a huge dip since she has done a few IR scenes, taylor hayes same thing.





Taylor Hayes is a good example, at least for me. There was a point where I would have bought anything with her face on the box, even though it was that horrible, suck-your-soul-through-your-eyesockets Vivid crap, just because I couldn't believe such a beautiful girl was doing porn. Eventually, the novelty wore off. She could fuck so hard that spontaneous fires broke out on the set and I wouldn't buy it, not because she did interracial but she's just played out as far as this clergyman's eyes are concerned.

Once they get to that level, they could shoot 100 scenes a month and I wouldn't notice them, even if they did a whole platoon of Wesley Pipes mini-mes. It's a cruel world...
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#30618 - 06/10/04 04:40 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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yep, sluts get played out quick that's why after a year you gotta move onto the next bewitching nookie. For me, it's about 3 months & another one comes around to steal the spunk.
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#30619 - 06/10/04 04:42 PM Re: Interracial porn: career killer?
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Taylor Hayes is a good example, at least for me. There was a point where I would have bought anything with her face on the box, even though it was that horrible, suck-your-soul-through-your-eyesockets Vivid crap, just because I couldn't believe such a beautiful girl was doing porn. Eventually, the novelty wore off. She could fuck so hard that spontaneous fires broke out on the set and I wouldn't buy it, not because she did interracial but she's just played out as far as this clergyman's eyes are concerned.

Once they get to that level, they could shoot 100 scenes a month and I wouldn't notice them, even if they did a whole platoon of Wesley Pipes mini-mes. It's a cruel world...





See i am from the school of the 70's elvis. You know, the people who would go and see fat elvis in vegas singing on his back because he has taken 4 bottles of pain killers and not only has no idea where he is but can't even stand up on his own power, YET there are screaming girls in the crowd who don't see a 400 pound drugged elvis, they see the 1950's elvis on stage, same goes with me and porn stars, taylor hayes is my favorite pornstar of all time and my favorite scene is with her and rocco, at the time of the scene she had just had her kid, her skin was sagging off the bone due to her finger down the throat diet to get back in porn quick, she had the scar accross the belly and i didn't see that, i see the hotter then fuck taylor hayes. We see, what we want to see.
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