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#282058 - 10/18/07 01:53 AM Hey Ranathan...
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Better check out this Freakonomics Blog at The New York Times:


The Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal Blown Wide Open


A few weeks back I blogged about allegations of cheating at an online poker site called Absolute Poker. While things looked awfully suspicious, there wasn’t quite a smoking gun, and it was unclear exactly how the cheater might have cheated.

A combination of some incredible detective work by some poker players and an accidental (?) data leak by Absolute Poker have blown the scandal wide open.

You can read the first-hand account in the following thread at 2+2 Poker Forum, but here’s the short version:

Some opponents became suspicious of how a certain player was playing. He seemed to know what the opponents’ hole cards were. The suspicious players provided examples of these hands, which were so outrageous that virtually all serious poker players were convinced that cheating had occurred. One of the players who’d been cheated requested that Absolute Poker provide hand histories from the tournament (which is standard practice for online sites). In this case, Absolute Poker “accidentally” did not send the usual hand histories, but instead sent a file that contained all sorts of private information that the poker site would never release. The file contained every player’s hole cards, observations of the tables, and even the IP addresses of every person playing. (I put “accidentally” in quotes because the mistake seems like too great a coincidence when you learn what followed.) I suspect that someone at Absolute knew about the cheating and how it happened, and was acting as a whistleblower by sending these data. If that is the case, I hope whomever “accidentally” sent the file gets their proper hero’s welcome in the end.

Then the poker players went to work analyzing the data — not the hand histories themselves, but other, more subtle information contained in the file. What these players-turned-detectives noticed was that, starting with the third hand of the tournament, there was an observer who watched every subsequent hand played by the cheater. (For those of you who don’t know much about online poker, anyone who wants can observe a particular table, although, of course, the observers can’t see any of the players’ hole cards.) Interestingly, the cheater folded the first two hands before this observer showed up, then did not fold a single hand before the flop for the next 20 minutes, and then folded his hand pre-flop when another player had a pair of kings as hole cards! This sort of cheating went on throughout the tournament.

So the poker detectives turned their attention to this observer. They traced the observer’s IP address and account name to the same set of servers that host Absolute Poker, and also, apparently, to a particular individual named Scott Tom, who seems to be a part-owner of Absolute Poker! If all of this is correct, it shows exactly how the cheating would have transpired: an insider at the Web site had real-time access to all of the hole cards (it is not hard to believe that this capability would exist) and was relaying this information to an outside accomplice.

If this is all true, I presume that the two cheaters are looking at potential prison time. I would also guess that if Absolute Poker continues to argue that nothing out of the ordinary happened, they will take an enormous hit to their profits. Online poker is a game of trust — players send their money to a site believing that they will be playing a fair game, and trusting that the site will send them their winnings. If there is even a little bit of uncertainty about either one of those factors, there is no good reason for a player to choose that site over the many close substitutes that exist. If I ran Absolute Poker, I would take a lesson from past corporate attempts at cover ups, sacrifice the cheaters, and institute safeguards to prevent this ever happening again.

The real lesson of this all, however, is probably the following: guys who aren’t that smart will figure out ways to cheat. And, with a little luck and the right data, folks who are a lot smarter will catch them doing it.

(Hat tip: Dan Hirschberg and Dean Strachan, who have kept me up to date on this story.)

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#282059 - 10/19/07 01:47 AM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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Registered: 04/02/07
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the question jim, is can you guess my 2p2 name

(this story has been floating around for a while and i only play on tilt and stars, but thank you for your concern )

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#282060 - 10/20/07 01:22 PM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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i only play on tilt and stars, but thank you for your concern




We know you ain't playing fantasy football.

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#282061 - 10/21/07 10:07 PM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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Registered: 04/02/07
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did i start vick again?

was way to busy last week and totally forgot to fix the roster

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#282062 - 10/21/07 10:16 PM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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why is there always at least one douche in xpt ff that can't make at least a half hearted attempt at competing each week? it's one thing to be lazy/dumb it's another to go out of your way to lose.
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#282063 - 10/21/07 10:45 PM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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king i think we should fight about it

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#282064 - 10/21/07 10:59 PM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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I'd like to but you'd probably substitute some 3rd stringer on IR in your place, so that's no fun. But seriously, why did you join if you were going to sub half your team with players that either had a bye or were injured? pornbot cali33 could do better that that.
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#282065 - 10/21/07 11:08 PM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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king i was on the wagon the entire week, i had a ton of work with a test on fluid inclusion and hydrogeology midweek and i had a weekend full of drinking myself to death with my old friends to ever get organized enough to remember yahoo fantasy football, I'm sorry i forgot about the old girl but for god sakes, there isnt even a prize for the winner


i will now attempt to angle shoot all of you and win the league king, it has my full attention.

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#282066 - 10/22/07 04:21 AM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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C'mon, Online Poker you play with a different set of risks and parameters than Live Games.

You realize that it's pretty common, at the mid-level/slightly high tables (500 to $2000) for teams of 4 or 5 players to show up, all connected via phone or chat and immediately tell each other what they have in their Pocket, as well as coordinate betting??? And with the odds calculators available online or for your computer, It's so fucking obvious that I laugh when i see it. Shit happens online that NEVER occurs in a real casino, unless the whole fucking table is shitfaced.

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#282067 - 10/22/07 08:45 AM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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king i was on the wagon the entire week, i had a ton of work with a test on fluid inclusion and hydrogeology midweek and i had a weekend full of drinking myself to death with my old friends to ever get organized enough to remember yahoo fantasy football, I'm sorry i forgot about the old girl but for god sakes, there isnt even a prize for the winner


i will now attempt to angle shoot all of you and win the league king, it has my full attention.




That's bullshit. Like I said before, it's one thing to miss a week because you're busy or whatever it's totally another thing to sub in Michael Vick for P Manning and start Chris Henry when both have been out all season. I don't give a shit if you lose every game all year it's just that you had a chance to beat Cleetus. We can't let him be the '72 Dolphins of xpt ff.
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#282068 - 10/22/07 04:59 PM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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i subbed vick for manning last week with chris henry deal when i realized my entire team had a bi and i was completely fucked at the last minute, i just forgot this time.

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#282069 - 10/23/07 02:47 AM Re: Hey Ranathan...
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You have a trade offer on the table Ranathan.
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