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#278804 - 10/03/07 11:56 AM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 08/23/06
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It's women that wield the sexual power in this (civilized, western) world. Behind every girl like Maryam there are always the men she left in her wake, the nice guys who would have taken care of her, but that she showed no interest in.
It's because of girls like Maryam that half of us are such bitter, cynical fucks in the first place. So am I going to share in the blame? No fucking way.
this is something else. it comes across, to me, like some tortured way of blaming her for her own death because she was a hot chick who probably wouldn't have fucked you. like one of these "nice guys" (moronboy, maybe? he seems a decent fellow) would have for sure changed things, if only she hadn't been such a silly whore. if women do indeed wield all sexual power in the western world, it is because the only thing they are valued for is their bodies, their sexuality. to position this reality as some kind of advantage seems very shallow, and makes it seem like you haven't really thought about it very much.
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#278805 - 10/03/07 12:47 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 06/13/06
Posts: 611
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Speaking as a porn consumer, and someone who despises moral relativism, I reject the comparison completely. I see nothing immoral about either consuming porn or appearing in it. I think being in porn is a harmful thing for all but the most emotionally numb/hardened people to do to themselves, but just because I buy the product does not mean I bear any responsibility for that. Yes, if no-one bought porn, there would be no money to temp these girls in, but likewise, if none of them were willing to do porn, there would be no product for me to buy. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I see it as morally neutral.
My inability to see eye to eye with you may be simply because I'm female and you're male, but when I read the above, I want to  Why? Because what you've said can be distilled down to this: I know that the women (and men) I'm spankin' it to are fucked up, but that doesn't interfere with my ability to type one-handed. I think dehumanization just comes much more easily to men than it does to women.
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I might also add that this is really puzzling coming from you. You've always played the contented former hooker, not the victim. If you're happy enough with your past sex-work decisions, how does this work? Is it that when a girl sells herself and feels fine about it, that was the decision of a strong, independent woman, but if she's miserable, then the customers are to blame? Who's the hypocrite here?
If I ever gave the impression that I was a strong, contented former hooker, either you weren't reading that carefully, or I am not immune to the denial that so common to sex workers across the board. Realistically, out of dozens, I know maybe three or four women who were cut out to be whores, and it suits them just fine. In terms of national or global percentages, I'd estimate that the happy hooker represents about 3% total. Of course, no active whore will admit that, because she needs to tell herself she likes the work in order to do it, and if she's a very public persona like a porn star, it's bad marketing to say that she's only in it for the money and she actually hates her work.
Let me tell you something I learned along the way: the contented whores have customers who like contented whores and like women in general. The miserable whores get the misogynists who abuse them. You attract what you put out.
Oh, by the way, I never said I wasn't a hypocrite. I watch porn. I dislike the kind of porn that seems to be popular here -- I've got no patience for stupid 14 year old boy stuff like gaping and retarded skull fucking noises, and cum gargling, but I do like to watch anal and DPs and I get wet just by visualizing blowjobs. Obviously, I've watched porn with damaged people as participants. There's simply no way for me to know what their mental state is before I watch it. So yes, I'm to blame as well.
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#278806 - 10/03/07 02:37 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Poodle Killer
Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 812
Loc: Rubbing dicks with strange guy...
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What the Fuck...
Are you fucking people really that fucking stupid....Your trying to have a debate/discussion with this fucking piece of shit..
Look at his fucking avatar [unless he changed it again].
Its a fucking little girl that is naked and looks like she has been fucking tortured..
What a fucking moderator should do is forward his IP to the fucking FBI... ASAP..
Bottom feeding piece of fucking shit..
At least delete this fucker and ban his fucking IP..
And you fuckin people want to fuckin debate with this fucking retard...Fuck Me....! 
Edited by Richard Hungwell (10/03/07 02:38 PM)
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#278808 - 10/03/07 03:23 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 08/13/04
Posts: 153
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Porn is about exploitation. That's a big part of the turn-on. I have absolutely no qualms about enjoying it. The performers have their own demons to contend with, as do I. That's just life.
In the meantime, I plan to continue to party like it's 2012 (final year of the Mayan calendar; also the year that many soothsayers predict for the start of Armageddon. Yeehaaaaaaaaaa!).
"Party on, Garth!" "Party on, Wayne!"
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#278810 - 10/03/07 05:14 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 1176
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My inability to see eye to eye with you may be simply because I'm female and you're male, but when I read the above, I want to Why? Because what you've said can be distilled down to this: I know that the women (and men) I'm spankin' it to are fucked up, but that doesn't interfere with my ability to type one-handed. I think dehumanization just comes much more easily to men than it does to women.
Excuse me? Dehumanization? I object to that. Like a lot of other people, when the rumor about Haley first surfaced, I had a sinking feeling and looked everywhere I could to hopefully find some proof that it wasn't true. I'll probably never spank to a Haley scene again, (not that I did much anyway, I've been uncomfortable with that since the Del Toro thing made her genuine vulnerability apparent.)
I just don't see how you make the connection between recognizing that sex work can be harmful and feeling some sort of personal responsibility as a viewer. I'd rather porn was just made by the the 3% of happy sex workers you talk about, it'd certainly be better quality, but there is nothing I can do to stop girls like Haley from doing this to themselves. If someone I knew and cared for was contemplating it, I'd do everything in my power to dissuade them.
Reading back, I think our disagreement comes down to your earlier statement that the notion of "free will" is complicated, which is the biggest load of horseshit I've ever seen you write. Free will is simple. As an adult, unless coerced, you are responsible for the choices you make. Admittedly, coercion can take many forms, but wanting more than the Wal-Mart lifestyle isn't one of them. Your point about extended childhoods is well taken, but the responsibility for that lies 100% with the parents that fail to equip their kids for adult life.
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If I ever gave the impression that I was a strong, contented former hooker, either you weren't reading that carefully, or I am not immune to the denial that so common to sex workers across the board. Realistically, out of dozens, I know maybe three or four women who were cut out to be whores, and it suits them just fine. In terms of national or global percentages, I'd estimate that the happy hooker represents about 3% total. Of course, no active whore will admit that, because she needs to tell herself she likes the work in order to do it, and if she's a very public persona like a porn star, it's bad marketing to say that she's only in it for the money and she actually hates her work.
Well, consider this an apology for my apparent misreading of you. But now we've established that you weren't happy with your previous choices, answer me this: Disregarding any that mistreated you, do you feel your former customers should share the blame?
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#278811 - 10/03/07 06:24 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 08/13/04
Posts: 153
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I banned him last night.
AWESOME! Thanks Gia!
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#278812 - 10/03/07 09:21 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 786
Loc: on the dark side of the moon
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Dear Fatman,
Here is a true story, based on a friend:
Only 19, you're bursting with energy and impatience, full of lust for life, don't talk about your father who committed suicide last year in the garage and you found him hanging from the rope and you read his note, you dropped out of high school but your new boyfriend is hot, he has two flashy cars and money from his family, and now you're living with him since you moved to LA from Santa Barbara, you used to inject heroin until they sent you to a treatment facility out of the country but now you're just an alcoholic, at night while he sleeps you sneak to the fridge to get a sip. You're really, really hot looking and every guy wants to hit it off... you're so intelligent and sweet, but you don't want to finish high school, certainly not working at Walmart, the world is waiting for you, great things or maybe nothing, don't really know... don't want to know, partying through the nights, sleeping in late into empty afternoons, sex, drugs and rock and roll, fun, fun, fun because, what pain? Can't be a model, can't be a movie star, you wanna be a porn star? You're so horny. It's your world spinning, ever so slightly spinning out of control, faster and faster until it blurs and then burns... angel on fire, where are you now?
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#278814 - 10/03/07 09:35 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Sex Slave Trader
Registered: 01/10/06
Posts: 1487
Loc: NYC
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Dear Fatman,
Here is a true story, based on a friend:
Only 19, you're bursting with energy and impatience, full of lust for life, don't talk about your father who committed suicide last year in the garage and you found him hanging from the rope and you read his note, you dropped out of high school but your new boyfriend is hot, he has two flashy cars and money from his family, and now you're living with him since you moved to LA from Santa Barbara, you used to inject heroin until they sent you to a treatment facility out of the country but now you're just an alcoholic, at night while he sleeps you sneak to the fridge to get a sip. You're really, really hot looking and every guy wants to hit it off... you're so intelligent and sweet, but you don't want to finish high school, certainly not working at Walmart, the world is waiting for you, great things or maybe nothing, don't really know... don't want to know, partying through the nights, sleeping in late into empty afternoons, sex, drugs and rock and roll, fun, fun, fun because, what pain? Can't be a model, can't be a movie star, you wanna be a porn star? You're so horny. It's your world spinning, ever so slightly spinning out of control, faster and faster until it blurs and then burns... angel on fire, where are you now?
My lord, that reads exactly like a Lou Reed song.
Lou?
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#278817 - 10/03/07 10:45 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 01/16/07
Posts: 1166
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i had a friend who dropped out of high school and became a heroin addict.... he never ran off and did porn though, he just died.
Talk about a walk on the wild side...
and the coloured girls go doo do doo do do do doo do doo....
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#278818 - 10/04/07 04:00 AM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/12/07
Posts: 367
Loc: WI
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Dear Fatman,
Here is a true story, based on a friend:
Only 19, you're bursting with energy and impatience, full of lust for life, don't talk about your father who committed suicide last year in the garage and you found him hanging from the rope and you read his note, you dropped out of high school but your new boyfriend is hot, he has two flashy cars and money from his family, and now you're living with him since you moved to LA from Santa Barbara, you used to inject heroin until they sent you to a treatment facility out of the country but now you're just an alcoholic, at night while he sleeps you sneak to the fridge to get a sip. You're really, really hot looking and every guy wants to hit it off... you're so intelligent and sweet, but you don't want to finish high school, certainly not working at Walmart, the world is waiting for you, great things or maybe nothing, don't really know... don't want to know, partying through the nights, sleeping in late into empty afternoons, sex, drugs and rock and roll, fun, fun, fun because, what pain? Can't be a model, can't be a movie star, you wanna be a porn star? You're so horny. It's your world spinning, ever so slightly spinning out of control, faster and faster until it blurs and then burns... angel on fire, where are you now?
yeah ok.......this person obviously had the reasources to get treatment for her drug problem outside the country but not counseling or therpy for experiencing her fathers suicide?
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#278819 - 10/04/07 06:42 AM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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ADT regular
Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 19
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Oh well...she was getting fat anyway. Kidding of course...it's a shame and I for one will really miss watching her fuck 
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#278820 - 10/04/07 07:41 AM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 786
Loc: on the dark side of the moon
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yeah ok.......this person obviously had the reasources to get treatment for her drug problem outside the country but not counseling or therpy for experiencing her fathers suicide?
It's a true story. This is a girl I cared about, so I'd appreciate it if you just took it for what it is and not waste your time hurting my feelings by questioning the veracity of something personal I shared. - Things in life don't always go in a simple linear way. And yes, you can be intelligent and still fuck up your life. There are people with all the resources in the world who won't "get it together"... look around you, I bet you can find at least one person who fits that description, unless you're too cynical to even contemplate that possibility.
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#278821 - 10/04/07 09:23 AM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
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This is a girl I cared about, so I'd appreciate it if you just took it for what it is and not waste your time hurting my feelings by questioning the veracity of something personal I shared.
Sir, a dude that tries to pass themselves off as a chick has no place lecturing others about questioning veracity. 
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#278822 - 10/04/07 10:08 AM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Pervert
Registered: 07/05/05
Posts: 2134
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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And yes, you can be intelligent and still fuck up your life. There are people with all the resources in the world who won't "get it together"... look around you, I bet you can find at least one person who fits that description, unless you're too cynical to even contemplate that possibility.
i couldnt disagree with this statement. its a contradiction, and thats not cynicism, thats a fact. cmon, who really believes that you can be intelligent and fuck up your life on drugs or other mental problems. what a cop out.
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#278826 - 10/04/07 03:45 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/12/07
Posts: 367
Loc: WI
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gnaw....I think I am just hardened by watching young people fuck up opportunities everyday
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#278827 - 10/04/07 03:48 PM
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Registered: 08/15/06
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Can you be intelligent and at the same time fuck up your life doing gay, transvestite, straight porn and work as a gay escort/hooker. Spend hours a day on video games, and waist time waiting around for AIM results so you can continue performing in porn? Just wondering.....
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#278828 - 10/04/07 04:04 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 52
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i think it is true that yes some smart people can fuck up but this is pretty rare because if you are smart then you can try to understand the future and make better decisions to avoid doing stuff can would fuck your life up remember everything is not black and white sometimes some things are gray i feel that this is one of those things because humans are humans right
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#278829 - 10/04/07 04:30 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 1681
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get a new keyboard one with a functional shift key would be nice and while youre at it if youd take the time to include some punctuation so I can pause and reflect on what youre posting that would be great thank you
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#278830 - 10/04/07 05:25 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 52
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lol sorry i am not a pulitzer writer
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#278831 - 10/04/07 06:29 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Hale
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Pervert
Registered: 07/05/05
Posts: 2134
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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Can you be intelligent and at the same time fuck up your life doing gay, transvestite, straight porn and work as a gay escort/hooker. Spend hours a day on video games, and waist time waiting around for AIM results so you can continue performing in porn? Just wondering.....
where in this did i say anything about me being intelligent? just wondering......stay in the closet with your lame alt id.
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#278832 - 10/05/07 08:51 AM
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ADT regular
Registered: 08/15/06
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The question was posed for rhetorical effect....However, your assertion that you can't possibly be intelligent and still fuck up your life with drugs begged the question....And because you Christian are obviously very intelligent, and because a reasonable person would equate performing in porn and prostitution (sexual addiction and the associated risks) equally with abusing drugs contradicts your assumption to the contrary...
What's an Alt.id?
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#278836 - 10/08/07 02:11 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 4468
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#278837 - 10/11/07 12:57 PM
Re: Porn and Suffering: Reflections on Maryam Haley
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ADT regular
Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 5
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Why not consult with the good Doctor about it, I am sure he would be happy to provide you plenty of empirical data on the subject, but then again it wouldn't support your theory.
And thank you for the alt.id info...but from my generation, "smack" is something a parent might feel compelled to do to a son when his behavior embarrasses and disturbs them beyond belief.
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