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I think that the guilt and shame our puritan culture heaps upon pornstars caused her demise.

Kill the evangelists.





Unleaded gasoline killed Britney Madison.

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I think we will find out that she died because of the very same problems that led her to a career in porn, not as a result of the career itself.

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Porn consumers are no more or less culpable in the fact that many of these poor souls cannot escape from the cesspool than midwesterners who buy Nikes...

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Porn consumers are no more or less culpable in the fact that many of these poor souls cannot escape from the cesspool than midwesterners who buy Nikes...

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Umm, I said exactly that.

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Porn ...you might think of it as a petri dish for growing desperation

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that idiot Luke has posted this on his site.

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The bigger question:

Why do you read his stuff?

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In the main, the sex industry attracts women who are troubled and disenfranchised: emotionally, financially, educationally, etc.

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the number of true porn exhibitionists--women, in other words, who would do this sort of thing for the sort of pay they would receive at the other jobs they are qualified to do (usually Starbucks cashier work)--are few (and of those, probably most have psych problems, traumatic pasts, etc.).

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Porn work doesn't necessarily create the problems these women have, but it very often exacerbates them, and in almost no cases does it help to rectify them. You might think of it as a petri dish for growing desperation. You need the seeds, but the porn industry just provides a fertile environment that stimulates their growth.

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Most of the confusion and misinformation regarding this story can be blamed on you, Luke Ford. Once again, nice job Putz.

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Really? None of you are responsible?

Are habitual cocaine users, by driving the demand for coca leaf production, contributing to cartel violence in Columbia and Bolivia and environmental damage as virgin forests are clear cut to make way for coca? Uh-huh.

Are consumers who want cheap sneakers and plastic shit from Walmart supporting child labor in the process? You betcha.

If you drink Napa or Sonoma wine, did a Mexican die in the desert after paying a grand to a coyote for passage so he could work in vineyard for shit pay? Yup.

Do you, porn consumers of XPT, by consuming porn which continues to reach for new lows of violence, degradation, and gross-out cheap stunts, contribute to a cycle of traumatization of already fucked-up young people? Yes, you do.

Fuck Jesus and Shelley Lubben. This is a website that celebrates misanthropy in all its forms. If you're all the badasses that you make yourselves out to be daily basis, then put your money where your mouth is, and simply say:

"Yes, I help porn whores hit rock bottom with every purchase I make, and you know what? I don't care."

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If we, as porn consumers, are to blame for all the porn burnouts, suicides, over doses, etc. does it also work in reverse? Do we get credit for the ones that find success after the biz? Like the ones that have the foresight to use the money they earn from our porn purchases for good furthering their education, buying real estate, investing etc or whatever. I know the numbers aren't in our favor here but if we can lift up just one ex porn girl by buying "Double Anal Ass Felching Overload 17" it's all worth it.

I buy electricity. Should I feel guilty about prisoners that are executed in the electric chair because I prop up the electric company and enable their continuation? Should all employees of Steak Knife Company A be in jail for making such sharp knives accessible to murderers?

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Did I just miss it, or what has been confirmed that Maryam died from?

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the world problem is all y'all have that mcdonals responsible mentality. you know the mentality that bitches burning they coochie with hot cocoa or coffie is the responsiblity of the man who make the coffie too hot not the dumb cunt who spill it all over herself.

in this world coffie hot and bitches die.

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Shit does this mean baseball fans are responsible for Donnie Moore's suicide three years after he blew a game that would have put the California Angels into the World Series?

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Shelley Lubben is keeping everything in perspective. Porn caused all those deaths between 1914-1945.

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Similarly, Mephistopheles does not force Dr. Faust to sign away his soul to the Devil, but rather tempts him to give in to his own greed

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OK, this argument is a lot better, but there are still some isssues: it's not that black & white.

The first thought: what of Blackwater tempting their hires to become mercenaries?

But also, what of Wal-Mart? I'm sure there's some job there that most of the girls could do instead, but just how much better is it really? You can't live on minimum-wage money and go to school to ever improve - it's the minimum wage trap. By offering someone like Haley a minimum-wage alternative to porn they condemn them to never moving forward in life. Porn may have offered Haley a chance that no one else ever offered, and the fact she didn't take advantage of the chance doesn't mean it wasn't there.

The other problem with the argument is the idea that "porn is more dangerous or 'lower' than whatever they had before", and that's not necessarily the case. The hookers are probably a lot safer in porn - tested partners and not likely to be killed by a John - and some girls are finally able to dump loser boyfriends once they can make enough money on their own to live.

The biggest problem is that doing porn gives kids far more money than they're typically ready to deal with. This both allows bad choices and allows them to put off or avoid good choices.

Unfortunately there often wasn't good parenting when they were growing up - otherwise there would be good alternatives to porn instead of that being the only way out of minimum wage - and the kids just aren't equipped with that upbringing to steer them away from the bad things one can do when there's too much money available.

My belief is that by time the girls get to the point of doing porn their course in life has been long since set by their upbringing and only a few details remain to be filled in. If they fail miserably after leaving porn they're likely have failed just as miserably anyway. They're better with a chance forward - school money etc - than never getting that chance, even if few use it wisely. Porn may be the only chance many will ever have at making significant income.

PS. It's easy to say that doing porn is a bad choice. But it may tough to prove to someone making $50/day that porn is that bad at $1,200/day. The kids either need better upbringing to avoid the $50/day situation in the first place, or good enough discipline to take advantage of porn income and get more out of it than a few handbags.

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If we, as porn consumers, are to blame for all the porn burnouts, suicides, over doses, etc. does it also work in reverse? Do we get credit for the ones that find success after the biz? Like the ones that have the foresight to use the money they earn from our porn purchases for good furthering their education, buying real estate, investing etc or whatever. I know the numbers aren't in our favor here but if we can lift up just one ex porn girl by buying "Double Anal Ass Felching Overload 17" it's all worth it.

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I buy electricity. Should I feel guilty about prisoners that are executed in the electric chair because I prop up the electric company and enable their continuation? Should all employees of Steak Knife Company A be in jail for making such sharp knives accessible to murderers?

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I gather that the majority of XPTers are moral relativists, "all questions of ethical behavior are subjective, morality is meaningless, etc" when it comes to their own porn consumption, but are moral absolutists when it comes to the women and girls who choose to do porn: they are whores with no souls.

Isn't that just slightly hypocritical?

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It's women that wield the sexual power in this (civilized, western) world. Behind every girl like Maryam there are always the men she left in her wake, the nice guys who would have taken care of her, but that she showed no interest in.

It's because of girls like Maryam that half of us are such bitter, cynical fucks in the first place. So am I going to share in the blame? No fucking way.

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this is something else. it comes across, to me, like some tortured way of blaming her for her own death because she was a hot chick who probably wouldn't have fucked you. like one of these "nice guys" (moronboy, maybe? he seems a decent fellow) would have for sure changed things, if only she hadn't been such a silly whore. if women do indeed wield all sexual power in the western world, it is because the only thing they are valued for is their bodies, their sexuality. to position this reality as some kind of advantage seems very shallow, and makes it seem like you haven't really thought about it very much.

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Speaking as a porn consumer, and someone who despises moral relativism, I reject the comparison completely. I see nothing immoral about either consuming porn or appearing in it. I think being in porn is a harmful thing for all but the most emotionally numb/hardened people to do to themselves, but just because I buy the product does not mean I bear any responsibility for that. Yes, if no-one bought porn, there would be no money to temp these girls in, but likewise, if none of them were willing to do porn, there would be no product for me to buy. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I see it as morally neutral.

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My inability to see eye to eye with you may be simply because I'm female and you're male, but when I read the above, I want to Why? Because what you've said can be distilled down to this: I know that the women (and men) I'm spankin' it to are fucked up, but that doesn't interfere with my ability to type one-handed. I think dehumanization just comes much more easily to men than it does to women.

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I might also add that this is really puzzling coming from you. You've always played the contented former hooker, not the victim. If you're happy enough with your past sex-work decisions, how does this work? Is it that when a girl sells herself and feels fine about it, that was the decision of a strong, independent woman, but if she's miserable, then the customers are to blame? Who's the hypocrite here?

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What the Fuck...

Are you fucking people really that fucking stupid....Your trying to have a debate/discussion with this fucking piece of shit..

Look at his fucking avatar [unless he changed it again].
Its a fucking little girl that is naked and looks like she has been fucking tortured..

What a fucking moderator should do is forward his IP to the fucking FBI... ASAP..
Bottom feeding piece of fucking shit..

At least delete this fucker and ban his fucking IP..

And you fuckin people want to fuckin debate with this fucking retard...Fuck Me....!

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What the Fuck...

Are you fucking people really that fucking stupid....Your trying to have a debate/discussion with this fucking piece of shit..

Look at his fucking avatar [unless he changed it again].
Its a fucking little girl that is naked and looks like she has been fucking tortured..

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My inability to see eye to eye with you may be simply because I'm female and you're male, but when I read the above, I want to Why? Because what you've said can be distilled down to this: I know that the women (and men) I'm spankin' it to are fucked up, but that doesn't interfere with my ability to type one-handed. I think dehumanization just comes much more easily to men than it does to women.

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If I ever gave the impression that I was a strong, contented former hooker, either you weren't reading that carefully, or I am not immune to the denial that so common to sex workers across the board. Realistically, out of dozens, I know maybe three or four women who were cut out to be whores, and it suits them just fine. In terms of national or global percentages, I'd estimate that the happy hooker represents about 3% total. Of course, no active whore will admit that, because she needs to tell herself she likes the work in order to do it, and if she's a very public persona like a porn star, it's bad marketing to say that she's only in it for the money and she actually hates her work.

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I banned him last night.

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Dear Fatman,

Here is a true story, based on a friend:

Only 19, you're bursting with energy and impatience, full of lust for life, don't talk about your father who committed suicide last year in the garage and you found him hanging from the rope and you read his note, you dropped out of high school but your new boyfriend is hot, he has two flashy cars and money from his family, and now you're living with him since you moved to LA from Santa Barbara, you used to inject heroin until they sent you to a treatment facility out of the country but now you're just an alcoholic, at night while he sleeps you sneak to the fridge to get a sip. You're really, really hot looking and every guy wants to hit it off... you're so intelligent and sweet, but you don't want to finish high school, certainly not working at Walmart, the world is waiting for you, great things or maybe nothing, don't really know... don't want to know, partying through the nights, sleeping in late into empty afternoons, sex, drugs and rock and roll, fun, fun, fun because, what pain? Can't be a model, can't be a movie star, you wanna be a porn star? You're so horny. It's your world spinning, ever so slightly spinning out of control, faster and faster until it blurs and then burns... angel on fire, where are you now?

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My lord, that reads exactly like a Lou Reed song.
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Dear Fatman,

Here is a true story, based on a friend:

Only 19, you're bursting with energy and impatience, full of lust for life, don't talk about your father who committed suicide last year in the garage and you found him hanging from the rope and you read his note, you dropped out of high school but your new boyfriend is hot, he has two flashy cars and money from his family, and now you're living with him since you moved to LA from Santa Barbara, you used to inject heroin until they sent you to a treatment facility out of the country but now you're just an alcoholic, at night while he sleeps you sneak to the fridge to get a sip. You're really, really hot looking and every guy wants to hit it off... you're so intelligent and sweet, but you don't want to finish high school, certainly not working at Walmart, the world is waiting for you, great things or maybe nothing, don't really know... don't want to know, partying through the nights, sleeping in late into empty afternoons, sex, drugs and rock and roll, fun, fun, fun because, what pain? Can't be a model, can't be a movie star, you wanna be a porn star? You're so horny. It's your world spinning, ever so slightly spinning out of control, faster and faster until it blurs and then burns... angel on fire, where are you now?

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yeah ok.......this person obviously had the reasources to get treatment for her drug problem outside the country but not counseling or therpy for experiencing her fathers suicide?

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This is a girl I cared about, so I'd appreciate it if you just took it for what it is and not waste your time hurting my feelings by questioning the veracity of something personal I shared.

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Sir, a dude that tries to pass themselves off as a chick has no place lecturing others about questioning veracity.

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And yes, you can be intelligent and still fuck up your life. There are people with all the resources in the world who won't "get it together"... look around you, I bet you can find at least one person who fits that description, unless you're too cynical to even contemplate that possibility.

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cmon, who really believes that you can be intelligent and fuck up your life on drugs or other mental problems. what a cop out.

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i couldnt disagree with this statement. its a contradiction, and thats not cynicism, thats a fact. cmon, who really believes that you can be intelligent and fuck up your life on drugs or other mental problems. what a cop out.

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yeah ok.......this person obviously had the resources to get treatment for her drug problem outside the country but not counseling or therapy for experiencing her fathers suicide?

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It's a true story. This is a girl I cared about, so I'd appreciate it if you just took it for what it is and not waste your time hurting my feelings by questioning the veracity of something personal I shared. - Things in life don't always go in a simple linear way. And yes, you can be intelligent and still fuck up your life. There are people with all the resources in the world who won't "get it together"... look around you, I bet you can find at least one person who fits that description, unless you're too cynical to even contemplate that possibility.

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Can you be intelligent and at the same time fuck up your life doing gay, transvestite, straight porn and work as a gay escort/hooker. Spend hours a day on video games, and waist time waiting around for AIM results so you can continue performing in porn? Just wondering.....

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