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#277807 - 09/28/07 04:04 PM
Re: Haley Page is dead?
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Porn Jesus
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Any post containing "lol" which pleads for decency and respect for the dead gets tossed in the same sausage grinder as the rest of this drivel.
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#277808 - 09/28/07 04:06 PM
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Porn Jesus
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This is complete bullshit.
If she died of an illness the info might not be in the paper. But, if she died by OD or suicide or murder, there would be a coroner's inquest/report to verify. And, those are public info and would be reported on some level somewhere.
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#277810 - 09/28/07 04:30 PM
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The first link also includes these posts: Kensabe Haley Paige passed from this life on August 21, 2007. In the company of Chico Wang. Who ya gonna blame? Sunday, September 16, 2007 at 4:48 pm jj Kensabe? Are you certain of this? How do you know? I can’t find anything about that anwhere on the ‘net… Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1:02 am Kensabe So very certain. I’m her father. I buried her in Brentwood, California on August 30. There seems to be no word on her or Chico in the blogs. Anyone who knew her, I’d love to hear good stories of her; bad ones, too, I want to know more about her life in the last 3 years or so. Her mother and I (we’re divorced) did not know she was in the business until just a few weeks before her passing. We did not judge her nor condemn her for her chosen path. We love her deeply, and she knows we do, even in death. And to set the record straight: she was NOT molested by her uncle. There was an incident with him, and it ended right there. Her parents did NOT give her up to a nasty uncle for rent. She was very young at the time. We lived in Mexico, the uncle lived in California. After the one incident, we never left her alone with him, and we seldom saw him until he died of a liver disease. My daughter is indeed as sweet and loving as many of you say she is. If you would like to see photos that I took of her funeral ceremony, go to this link: http://www.cometphotos.net/MaryamsCeremony.Sunday, September 23, 2007 at 3:06 am jj kEN, I imagine this is odd for you talking about this with a stranger. The reason I started posting on this site was that I was back into a porn addiction that I have struggled with for years. I’m ashamed and sorry to say that I came across a clip of her at 19, probably one of the first she had involvement with, and it stopped me in my tracks. Something about her face was so pure and sweet, I couldn’t continue. I looked up her name and came across stories about her life. I haven’t been back into the addiction since. She really brought home the fact that she and the other girls are humans and deserve so much better. I tried looking for ways to contact her and tell her this. Especially after hearing how she was trying to follow her dreams and get out of porn. I hope you aren’t offended by this but I’m taking your whole story with a grain of salt. For one, that link is inactive. Not that I think I have any right as a stranger to see her funeral, but it would be nice to see her in a picture other than what I’ve seen. All I could find anywhere regarding her passing was that shortly before the date you give, she was involved in an assault where this ‘Chico’ guy was arrested. Also, I found a Myspace site that she apparently set up with her last login date at 8/21. For the most part I believe you and don’t think you should have to convince me. I’m incredibly sorry for your loss. I hope it helps to know that she helped me. That time I saw her that I told you about, was right around the date you say was her death. I believe she has been an angel to me. J Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 6:56 pm
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#277811 - 09/28/07 04:33 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
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The Ken Haley mentioned above has this photo page: http://www.shutterpoint.com/Photos-BrowseUser.cfm?user_id=COMETPHOTOSThe memorial service photos purportedly on the dead "photosite" link are not inluded in the galleries on this page, at least on first inspection.
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#277819 - 09/28/07 05:17 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 08/30/07
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Zen, take a look at the newer Comet Photos link. The "Photosite" page could conceivably have been doctored. Either the source of the hoax has been found, or the worst is possibly very true.
On second thought, would a mourning father have posted this:
"Haley Paige passed from this life on August 21, 2007. In the company of Chico Wang. Who ya gonna blame?"
Any person looking at the picture of the allege father and Haley can see they are at the very least RELATED.
Shit, My father died two years ago and my mother has many photos of him up. Why WOULDN'T a father do everything he could to memorialize his downtrodden "lost" child. I may have a black heart but at least I have a heart.
Tits up is the Verdict.
Bahai Funeral Services
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#277820 - 09/28/07 05:23 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
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Loc: 2004 - the glory days
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shut up you fucking troll
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#277821 - 09/28/07 05:25 PM
Re: Haley Page is dead?
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Sex Slave Trader
Registered: 01/10/06
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Any person looking at the picture of the allege father and Haley can see they are at the very least RELATED.
I agree. BUT, my point is that the hoaxer could have obtained legit photos and used them to masquerade as Dad. And YES, a determined hoaxer has that much time on his/her hands.
I too have nothing better to do tonight than wrack my brain over this. Sad.  I was just thinking that Haley's actual surname is Hispanic, based on ID I'd seen previously. But maybe I've confused myself. Can anyone help? Please PM if so...
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#277824 - 09/28/07 05:33 PM
Re: Haley Page is dead?
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Registered: 05/06/04
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Call Kevin at LA Firect and ask if he confirmed her death.
Why would a girl from San Diego be burried in Brentwood? I live in Brentwood and can't even think of a cemetary around here.
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#277826 - 09/28/07 05:35 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
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In this post he refers to her father in the 3rd person as "Ken" ... NOT THE 1ST AS I OR ME:
The third-person reference is odd, but plausible, no? These are exactly the pics that look bundled as a hoax prop.
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#277827 - 09/28/07 05:36 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 08/30/07
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shut up you fucking troll
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#277830 - 09/28/07 05:57 PM
Re: Haley Page is dead?
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Gay For Pay
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Call Kevin at LA Firect and ask if he confirmed her death.
Why would a girl from San Diego be burried in Brentwood? I live in Brentwood and can't even think of a cemetary around here.
Since you didn't click on the link I provided about Bahai funeral practices.
Certain Baha’i laws, including some burial laws, are implemented in parts of the world as Baha’i communities evolve. Baha’is are universally required to observe the following burial laws:
∙ The body is not to be embalmed unless required by law (and then only to preserve the body for a short period of time);
∙ Calcination or other means of speeding the process of natural decomposition should not be used;
∙ Cremation is forbidden;
∙ Interment must take place within one hour's travel time from the city or town where death occurs;
∙ Baha’is may donate their bodies or organs to medical science, but provisions must be made to treat the remains with dignity and bury the remains within one hour's travel from the place of death.
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#277831 - 09/28/07 06:00 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 05/16/07
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Loc: Sun Diego
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I mentioned that above. She claims it's fact, but only has the redacted Wiki entry as info, of course. I'm trying to find a source other than idle gossip right now.
I saw that, but you'd miss this awesome response from Scott there unless you checked it:
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Scott:
This is a real sad thing. The industry death rate seems to be high, even when compared to the most dangerous kinds of occuptions. Porn is not the glamourous life that today's younger generation believes it to be. With smoke and mirrors the porn industry (and the Great Deceiver Satan) deceives people into believing that porn is the "hot" thing, the cool and trendy thing for "adults" to enjoy, all the while it does nothing but destroy the minds of adults and children alike while degrading the beauty of love and the virtue and dignity of women.
The actresses especially suffer in a different way as well. Sex may seem meaningless to many people, but so often the heart light comes on and in the heart a person can come to the understanding that it's not "just sex" - but that sex is meant to be a loving, private moment. I think when this awakening happens to the actors and actresses in the industry, and they see the light of truth, see how they are just being used (or rather abused for money) and are not respected by the porn viewers and purveyors for being "someone special" outside of the sex world, but are exaulted only because of the sex world they live in, I think it's then that a depression and even sense of shame can sink in and cause intense inner pain and turmoil.
We need to remember these people in this industry when we pray. They need prayer not only because of the fact that they are being used in a degrading way, for the pleasure of people who are really deceived themselves, but also because these sex industry working people may realize what is happening to them and then be hit with a troubled heart, sadness and depression - wanting something to turn to (drugs, alcohol, more sex even . . .) but not knowing what - when we born-again Christians know it's simply the love of Jesus our Lord and Savior who can heal all troubled hearts.
They need prayer while in the business, but let's not forget them after they have seen the light, because it can be a terribly depressing thing to deal with once the truth is understood.
That type of depressing talk and despair is what turns on 90% of this board, eh?
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#277833 - 09/28/07 06:03 PM
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"Hailey had guns under her name."
Bullshit. She's not a citizen. How is she going to get a permit and get guns (plural) "under her name?"
I have a few resources I can check. Will be back soon.
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#277834 - 09/28/07 06:06 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
Registered: 01/10/06
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that funeral pic is a obvious photoshop fake
It's obviously shopped, but he's a photographer.
The photo itself is shopped, which is no problem. It's the way it looks in the frame that's the problem. No consideration for the presence of light on glass, etc. It's just flat. Then again, someone could have sincerely created that too, I'm just not biting yet.
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#277836 - 09/28/07 06:12 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
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"Hailey had guns under her name."
Bullshit. She's not a citizen. How is she going to get a permit and get guns (plural) "under her name?"
I have a few resources I can check. Will be back soon.
Jim, I'm quite sure she's a citizen. (Born to at least one American parent in Mexico.) I no longer have Lexis-Nexis, so I'm going crazy over here!
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#277837 - 09/28/07 06:14 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 08/30/07
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"Hailey had guns under her name."
Bullshit. She's not a citizen. How is she going to get a permit and get guns (plural) "under her name?"
I have a few resources I can check. Will be back soon.
Jim, why would an alleged videographer go to great lengths to marry her to obtain a green card if she wasn't a U.S. citizen? How could she have a PASSPORT if she wasn't a U.S. Citizen?
passport
You have to concede the fact that Luke Ford "broke" a story that turned out to be factual. Heck, when you're shooting with sawed shotgun loaded with bird shot your going to hit SOMETHING eventually.
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#277838 - 09/28/07 06:26 PM
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I have a few resources I can check. Will be back soon.
Calling the info into 1-800-NRA-JESUS doesn't count.
Stevie, get off the Shelley/Jesus kick already. It's played.
I have a few Governmental resources I'm checking. Assuming that her real name is "Maryam Haley" as reported on Luke, Wiki and the Passport Zenman found.
BTW: Does anyone know if she actually obtained citizenship when she married Del Toro?. 'Cause if not, then that passport's a fake. You have to be a citizen to obtain a passport.
EDIT: Charlie and Karma responded while I was posting:
Charlie: I DO have Lexis-Nexis and will hit that in a minute. Have some other resources as well.
Karma: Yes, my point exactly. I've come across quite a few bogus passports in my time a few of which were so good they looked better than the real thing. For now, I'm proceeding under the assumption that she is a citizen.
Although, if one of her parents was a citizen, she wouldn't need to marry Del Toro. On her 21st Birthday, she would simply declre her intention to remain a US citizen and renounce her Mexican citizenship. Same as my buddy who was born in Britain did.
Edited by Jim B. (09/28/07 06:34 PM)
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#277839 - 09/28/07 06:32 PM
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Gay For Pay
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Stevie, get off the Shelley/Jesus kick already. It's played.
I have a few Governmental resources I'm checking. Assuming that her real name is "Maryam Haley" as reported on Luke, Wiki and the Passport Zenman found.
BTW: Does anyone know if she actually obtained citizenship when she married Del Toro?. 'Cause if not, then that passport's a fake. You have to be a citizen to obtain a passport.
How could the Departments of Homeland security and Immigration set a hearing for her ex-husband if she WASN'T a citizen. She gave an affidavit. If one is true so must the other. Simple logic.
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#277840 - 09/28/07 06:35 PM
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Porn Jesus
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jim, del toro was the one marrying for citizenship not haley
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#277841 - 09/28/07 06:39 PM
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How could the Departments of Homeland security and Immigration set a hearing for her ex-husband if she WASN'T a citizen. She gave an affidavit. If one is true so must the other. Simple logic.
Not in the least. What does the one have to do with the other? She needn't be a citizen to give a deposition. Thats Post hoc, ergo propter hoc at work.
Anyway, like I said, I'm going to proceed under the assumpion that she was a citizen.
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#277842 - 09/28/07 06:39 PM
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jim, del toro was the one marrying for citizenship not haley
OOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!! My Bad. 
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#277843 - 09/28/07 06:44 PM
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Porn Jesus
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What does being a citizen have to do with whether she's dead? Proving whether or not she had guns in her name is meaningless.  If on Monday, Charlie finds that Maryam Haley is her real name and that her dad's name is Kenneth Haley it doesn't prove she's alive or dead. This is information some stalker gathered. If the info doesn't match, it proves at least that the poster Kensabe is a fake. But, in all likelihood, it's valid.
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#277844 - 09/28/07 06:55 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
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What does being a citizen have to do with whether she's dead?
We're just trying to verify the biographical facts. Gun records could provide info. Why not?
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If on Monday, Charlie finds that Maryam Haley is her real name and that her dad's name is Kenneth Haley it doesn't prove she's alive or dead. This is information some stalker gathered.
Indubitably, but if we can find out now that her pappy's name is Zoilo Versalles, we'll get somewhere.
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If the info doesn't match, it proves at least that the poster Kensabe is a fake. But, in all likelihood, it's valid.
If her father's name is Ken Haley, yes. But if it's Bob Haley...
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#277845 - 09/28/07 07:57 PM
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More from "Kensabe":
Kensabe
Hi Mike! Hola Jorge! I know you both, don’t I? Yes, Haley lived in Chihuahua as a child. She’s a true bicultural product, and I hope she’s proud of it. And I entrusted her to Mike on her year-long journey down under. Then had to pay for her to come home when she needed to escape. Thanks for taking such good care of my baby, Mike! How’s it going, senorita Haley? (I’m the most important man in Haley’s life, and I hope she reads this.) Except for the bad story about your uncle, in which you said your parents looked the other way, you’ve managed to project your true sweet nature and loving heart. It’s a hell of a shock to see where you’ve gone, and though I don’t like it, I don’t condemn you for it. I do believe that you could have chosen a more wholesome outlet for your beauty and talents. I don’t think it’s too late to redirect your course. If you need any help or encouragement, you know where to find me.
Wednesday, July 4, 2007 at 1:57 am
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#277847 - 09/28/07 08:10 PM
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Porn Jesus
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What do you make out of this? Quote:
"I’m the most important man in Haley’s life, and I hope she reads this."
"Except for the bad story about your uncle, in which you said your parents looked the other way,"
"I don’t think it’s too late to redirect your course. If you need any help or encouragement,"
Could it be some guy helping her fake her death?
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#277848 - 09/28/07 08:15 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
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Why would a girl from San Diego be burried in Brentwood? I live in Brentwood and can't even think of a cemetary around here.
Excellent point. This is because (according to the archived, defunct Photosite page) she was allegedly buried in Union Cemetery:
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Maryam was laid to rest in Union Cemetery, Brentwood, California, on August 31, 2007. Present were her parents, all of her aunts and uncles, most of her cousins, and a number of friends. Her uncle Paul Viramontes and his son Pablo, along with two ...
Well, Union Cemetery in Brentwood is not in Contra-Costa but ALAMEDA County, near Oakland.
There are also no published obituaries in that county. The investigation just moved way up the coast. 
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#277850 - 09/28/07 08:17 PM
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#277851 - 09/28/07 08:20 PM
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What do you make out of this?
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"I’m the most important man in Haley’s life, and I hope she reads this."
"Except for the bad story about your uncle, in which you said your parents looked the other way,"
"I don’t think it’s too late to redirect your course. If you need any help or encouragement,"
Could it be some guy helping her fake her death?
This stuff I find to be just creepy. If the post were more recent it would fit the hoax theory. But...
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#277855 - 09/28/07 08:29 PM
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Well, there is no obtaining birth records from the state of Chihuahua over the net.
Zen, I'm using similar tools to People finder before I do the Lexis Search.
The info on "Mike's" page does not necessarily confirm "Ken's" bona fides. "ken" could simply be someone who knows Haley well enough to have that info.
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