I just had a nice verbal joust with a friend over which is more degrading...forced anal or forced oral.

He said forced anal is more degrading because women tend to protect that opening and for a guy to just take it is the more degrading.

I said an ass is an ass...when a girl is bent over all a guy really sees is two holes. It could be any woman. When it's oral, he's penetrating her face...the part of the body that really makes her unique compared to everyone else and is the most identifiable thing about her. Her face is special compared to everyone else and to force her to take a cock in the mouth is more degrading because you're specifically degrading that one girl and you can't think about someone else when you're looking at her.

What do you guys think? Especially those of you who enjoy these kinds of films?

The perfect degradation movie is when you pick a girl on the street (not a pro), beat & rape the hell outta her, left her for death in some street corner totally naked & unpaid, and release it on DVD without any signed release paper.

I just learned today that women are garbage, so why care? Fuck em all and throw then aside. That´s all.

its not degrading... niether one is degrading. now making her scrub my floors and using her as a beer rest... THATS degrading.

Well Tammi, I like your explanation of why the mouth is more degrading. I think that makes logical sense. But my favorite act of degradation in a porn movie was in Girlvert 2 when Trent Tesoro is taking Julie Night's asshole. I didn't get a huge sense of force in it, but it was strong coercion, lol. I blew fast.

I think to combine the act is the ultimate in degradation as there is nothing more degrading then the look of, oh my God that was in my Asshole and Now he is about to fuck my throat!

Just My 2 Loads

Tammi, you are absolutely right. I wouldn't be nearly as upset or aroused if I saw a butt turned upsidedown and piston pumped. Our faces are what we present to the world at large as our primary source of communication and expression. It is us. Only a very small percentage of people use their butt in this way and few of us can relate and they are too contemptible too care about anyway. But a face is something else. A face is on a head, a head contains the brain with which we think and feel, which we then express through the mouth on the face, which, again, is on the head. The head is literally ground zero of our identity. Then, for whatever reason, some women choose to turn their head UPSIDEDOWN!! and volunteer for Gag Factor. Then awful, heartless men fuck their upsidedown faces. The specific reason JM insisst on the upsidedown position is that whatever the woman coughs up as a result of the oral assault flows into her eyes (the windows of the soul), up her nose (so as to further restrict life giving oxygen intake), and into her hair (an important part of female vanity) where it cakes. Were she rightside up, the phlegm, snot, saliva, & vomit would just dribble off her chin and onto the carpet. So you see, UPSIDEDOWN exponentionally increases the degrading assault on an individual Gag Factor girl's humanity and dignity. But also, and this might be unintentional on JM's part, the UPSIDEDOWN closeup of a woman is a perfect inversion of stardom in that nearly every closeup of every movie star/celebrity is rightside up. It is a mockery of fame, you see. These girls of Gag Factor turn their heads UPSIDEDOWN and get facefucked presumably because they believe it is a step in a career built on fame.
To make a long story short, I have never encountered a piece of art or media as moving as Gag Factor. It is erotic, sad, and horrifying all at the same time. I want to look away, but I can't. I won't. Their heads! Their heads are UPSIDEDOWNN!!! UPSIDEDOWN!!! OH MY GOD!!!

The definition of degrading has many ways of defining it but one of them is "to bring to low esteem" which means it would take a girl to not enjoy a certain sexual act in order for it to be logically degrading.

Therefore I find nothing in a sexual manner I'm willing to participate in as degrading but an opinion of another person may be different and seen as degrading in their own eyes.

So really there's no real answer to whats actually degrading. It's just a personal opinion that would basically reflect upon how a person may feel if they were involved in that act that may cause lowering the self esteem.

Why do you people hate women so much?. Is this also the reason you hate brandon irons?, because he likes women?. If one woman in your life fucked you over it doesn't make all women like that, so you shouldn't judge all women based on how 1 woman treated you. SM2004.

I like women. I like Brandon Iron. I like watching Trent Tesoro fuck Julie Night in the ass while she acts like she is not happy. i like Smelly Monkeys. I even like Gen Padova. Gen is a cutie.

Oh, and that submissive blowjob done by Maggie Star in Skeeter's Ass Stretchers 3 was one outstanding mutha'! She does for the dick what Mazzy Starr does for guitar. Not a lot. But it makes you feel guhd.

Me? I love all women.

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Is this also the reason you hate Brandon Irons, because he likes women?

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So true, so true. Brandon Irons has a deep love of womanhood. Witness here the cuddly results of his loving attitude:

Brandon Irons: Womanlover

To me to degrade a woman is to do something she can't justify. Having my 10 friends fuck her in every hole she has
by some filthy dumpster, then cum all over her face, then piss all over her face, and then shit all over her face.
I'd say that's a little degrading, and kind of hard to justify to her boyfriend.

What a great post by Tammi, it kinda sucks we got such a good topic and good points made by a woman then it went so off subject about beating a girl senseless or whatever... but I have to 100% agree with Tammi after she spilled out her argument! i never thought of it that way but very convincing! great topic

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I would totally have sex with brandon irons in a really mature straight way. if you know what i mean.

Tammi's post about the mouth/face degradation is good, but whores shouldn't feel degraded by this. We men think sluts should feel honored the moment we are spilling cum in their throats. After all, part of us get swallowed by them.

See..Tammi the reason I suspect the reason your friend answered the question like he did was b/c he is a male.Faces and brains and heads(well outside of the hard one between a man's legs)cease to exist to a man.It is all about the tits and ass...or just tits or just ass..if a woman is not blessed with both , then the better of the two ....I saw that the lovely Gen also seemed to agree that it would be forced oral..that is b/c she is also a woman!!!! Now in my opinion degradation to me would be being called a whore...by a man who really meant it....eventhough, I am in adult...I consider myself to be a professional adult actress and not a whore...there is a big difference...my mom is a whore...she sleeps around on my dad... and when they argue...he calls her a whore and means it ...and she cries b/c she knows she is one.. and she feels like a degraded piece of shit ..like I will call her a whore when we get into a fight b/c I know it will make her cry....and when a family argument arises ..my dad knows better than to call me a whore...b/c I would not bow down and cry like my mom ..I would knock his false teeth down his throat LMAO...the word "whore"is a very a degrading term when thrown in a woman's face

I am gonna correct myself....it was not gen...it was Simp...who agreed on the oral face degradation

Your revelation makes me want to beat off, Taylor.

Taylorhvn did I just see you in "Cum Drippers 6"? That was a great ass cream pie scene!

Zen...I am glad that I was able to have that effect on you LOL!!!Yes..that is me in Cum Drippers 6.. and thankx.. I'm taking cock up my ass for the first time ever...and I really mean ever lmao!!

OHHH!!! Corina Taylor! I couldn't tell by the small pic, and I was trying to think of who Taylor was.

Yeah, your scene in CD 6 was amazing. I first saw you on Stern, and became a fan. You are Southern divinity.

the most degrading? hmmm. how about having a guy who just finished banging a brazillian tranny cumming in your ass.

being a whore would to be in 10 man cum slam. thats being a whore!

anyone chick who does porn is a whore. whats this "actress" bullshit?

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anyone chick who does porn is a whore. whats this "actress" bullshit?

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I take offense to that and i'm a man. These performers are still women and should be treated as such, they just happen to be in a sexual profession. Would you call your mother a whore just because she dances at airports for pennies so the family can eat?. I didn't think so.

Corina Taylor!!! I had no idea either that was you posting. Welcome aboard to XXX.

I just watched a scene with you the other night polishing Julian's knob. Look forward to seeing more of your "work".

what is a whore then Senior Monkey Stench?

What the fuck is "hvn"?

I think the hvn stands for heaven just get a good look at her and you'll understand.

JM would be crazy not to get this fine young whore for one of his vids

Whore? Did I hear someone call my name? Thanks for the um... warm welcomes guys xoxoxox!most of u anyway Thanks Toelicker!The 2nd and 3rd stern appearances are fighting the FCC to be aired on E!They are saying they are too explicit for t.v....funny b/c there was absoultely no sex or anything involved Oh LMAO on the pennies Smelly Monkey!and Krell I wanted to thank you for attempting to note one of my "whore" movies(Ten Man Cum Slam) u left out the 3 ...It is #3 that I am in!!!!!!!! Again thanks for welcome guys!

I know they suck....it is stupid b/c there is nothing that happened that no one hasn't seen before on his show LOL...and for MF I am from Arkansas...where I am at right now...being lazy

why cant any of the guys in 10 man cum slam blow a load? whats with all the limp dicks and dribble? That is one piece of shit series

I did the 10 man cum slam last week and it didn't seem like any guy had an issue with load quantity. But you have to remember a lot of these guys rarely have breaks in between their days of work so obviously they're not gonna be super man all the time.

I bet Stern could get a good deal to move the TV show to a pay channel like HBO, Showtime, or even Playboy. Then he could go completely uncensored.

Tammi, I understand your side. But as a man I would think it would be an ass raping because it would physically be more painful than the face.

Unless you're B. Kerkove, who's been pumped in the ass more than any other orifice.

Corina, what did you do on Stern to cause the FCC to get pissed?