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#267931 - 09/07/07 06:23 PM
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And, tell me how you are going to get an effective law or search warrant executed - US, EU or otherwise - to trace IPs of customers of a SWISS company??
The Swiss have reciprocal treaties with many nations (including the US, the UK and most EU nations) whereby their LE will act upon a nation's request if the conduct in question violates a similar Swiss law. They do it with the supposedly inviolable Banking Laws all the time. In this case, if there's a Swiss law requiring such documentation as provided for in 2257, they may act (depending on the specific circumstances in each case.) It's a matter more for the State Department rather than Justice, though.
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#267932 - 09/07/07 10:03 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 698
Loc: CA
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Why not distribute it through AEBN? Or Hotmovie? or any of the other places that let you actually make a profit and provide customer service to the customer viewing it if they have issues?
Are you really making a profit when third party VOD providers are whoring your content for 8 cents a minute? The reason I quit VOD - despite being the first to offer it - was that I saw it as a loose-loose proposition.
When you do PPV VOD on a per minute basis, you are diluting the value of the product. Why would any schmuck go out and buy a DVD for even $19.95 when they can score a few money shots for fuckin' $2???????? They won't...
When you can't even wholesale product effectively, you can't make a profit because you haven't created value anywhere up the supply chain. PERIOD.
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#267933 - 09/08/07 12:05 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 988
Loc: Sun Diego
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Why not distribute it through AEBN? Or Hotmovie? or any of the other places that let you actually make a profit and provide customer service to the customer viewing it if they have issues?
The same reason why you claim college kids do College Invasions for free...because I had a ton of fun with it and raised hell. It's hard to fight "the man" when you have making money on your mind. I'd rather have 600,000 people see my fat ass and have the only costs the few hundred bucks for the actress then only have 2,000 see it and maybe have a few dollars in my pocket (kids still download and watch that stupid video to show their friends what college is about). 
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This is the thing .. the goverment jumps down our throat about 2257 and protecting kids ... where is the docmention for bit torrent sites? a 12 year old can go on any of those networks and get it for free.
Uh, that's the difference between a primary and secondary producer (though I'm not even sure what a pirated movie over a torent would be considered...a third-ary producer?). If this is a concern for your business you should have kicked Jeffrey Fredrick Douglas' ass ten feet out the door given FSC's legal actions to protect secondary producers from 2257 inspection; that $10,000 check from Adult Friend Finder was for these exact reasons.
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That bothers me ... as i am sure once you have distribution .. you will see .. every download is another movie you could have sold.
Oh, I'm well aware of distribution. A little story...
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Back when I was editor at The Koala we'd print 6,000-10,000 issues. They would cost us 6-12 cents each and we'd distribute them for free. Angry bastards ranging from MECHA members to angry wanna-be hippies to Fem-Nazi's went out of their way to throw away stacks of our paper, usually about 100 in each stack around campus, because of its "evil," "racist," "sexist" content; we , along with a majority of our campus called it no holds-barred humor. Our student government even protested us by shredding stacks of our issues. It wasn't uncommon to have 500-1000 of our papers vandalized or stolen *each* month.
I contacted the cops (back in 2005/2006 in school) and they told me tough shit; there's nothing they could do because it wasn't against the law. So you know what I did when I was up in Sacramento for a few weeks off and on in Spring 2006? I Told every legislator and staffer I met my story and to support any law to support the theft of student newspapers, and to support laws being discussed about it.
They passed AB 2612:
Gov. Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Outlawing Theft of Free Newspapers
Now the next time some piece of garbage steals my hard work, I've got their head on a misdemeanor and the cops can't any longer sit on their donut eating asses when a theft of *my* paper happens, otherwise I can hit them with a lawsuit for dereliction of duty.   
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You have domestic and international copyright laws in YOUR FAVOR. I had to drive up to Sac-town to get a law passed, you already have MANY enacted on a global basis protecting your product. All you need to do is flex your power. 
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#267934 - 09/08/07 04:42 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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When you do PPV VOD on a per minute basis, you are diluting the value of the product. Why would any schmuck go out and buy a DVD for even $19.95 when they can score a few money shots for fuckin' $2???????? They won't...
Absolutely true...some people would say the same thing about splitting movies up into scenes for VOD as well, but I think scenes should be the basic unit of porn. Folks could argue that there's no difference, i.e. that scenes are just minutes in a predetermined quantity, but I think the line has to be drawn somewhere. 
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#267936 - 09/08/07 12:07 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 988
Loc: Sun Diego
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Stevie, the chick seems to be in outer space and you're getting dragged out there with her ....
The 2257 isn't about the 12 y/o kid DOWNLOADING the porn.
Just NOT ACTING in the porn.
And because of the penalties/prison time, no main-stream porn site is going to intentionally use under-aged kids, it's just a way to rattle Porn's collective cage every so often.
I know, I know. You'd think a VP at one of the largest porn companies who was just visited by the FBI would have a *slightly* more educated view on the situation. 
2257 is one of those things for me where its a double edged sword; I know for a fact if the record keeping requirements weren't in effect there'd be a hell of a lot more underage people being filmed. But the *possible* sentences for the slightest infractions are pretty fucked. Jeebers, Joe Francis thought he was above the law and filmed a bunch of 17 year olds, so even with the laws in place, one of the biggest "porn" (if you want to call GGW that) companies does it anyway. Or that whole Brian Kocis gay porn murder from a few months ago? It pretty much stemmed from him shooting a model underage, with those videos still out there for the public to enjoy.  (FSC and ASACP sent out a press release to stop it...a WHOLE press release, take that pedophile kiddie porners!)
And before I forget, I still want to know the following:
-Is Casey Parker a *real* college student? If so, what school did she go to and has she graduated?
-Or as Penny Flame accused, was the whole story a ruse created by Shane's World to gain publicity? 
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#267937 - 09/08/07 01:19 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
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there are probably 7 REAL college/uni's in CA. meaning the level of academic rigor there shouldn't be below what you'd find at 2 dozen private boarding/day schools in the northeast.
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#267938 - 09/08/07 01:25 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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You're right, of course, but why is that important? Is someone in this thread implying otherwise?
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#267939 - 09/08/07 07:08 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
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Thx for your 2257 views, Stevie.
In her Shane World debut "Girl Next Door", they rip Casey from her two college roomies in Boulder, Co.
Was she a student there? My guess 95+% chance she was.
Does she goes to any college now? I guess if she tags along with the College Invasion crew ....
I very much enjoyed Casey's scene with Roxy in that first video. The one with the guy, eh, not so much.
I haven't come upon her second SWorld vid yet ...
but I haven't been all that enthusiastic about the half dozen clips I seen from her site. I liked Casey's stuff from Holly's site. Very very hot.
Casey needs some better direction and talent around her.
It's seems wasted by SWorld. It's their money, though. And at the moment she isn't getting any less adorable.
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#267940 - 09/08/07 10:42 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 08/09/07
Posts: 52
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But i am asure you with 120% accuracy we would never ever or ever have paid for drinks. That is one of the things we are 120% on.
Does 120% accuracy mean 100% accuracy, does it mean you don't know what the accuracy is, or is it what happens when you divide by zero in porn math?
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#267941 - 09/08/07 11:14 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
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Once you cross the 100% accuracy point there is NO accuracy because you never know how much accuracy they might have behind their backs or stored off-shore in tankers.
So if you in a 200% sure world, being half sure is perfect.
The 1000% correct world, a 1 in 10 shot is stated with surety.
The problem is the people who give 110% effort. Playing around with 11, 5 and 2 as your divisors is tough for the uninitiated. And, Megan, honey, being passed around by your uncles at the picnic, was a different initiation, okay.
Megan counting to twelve:
One. Two. Three.
Four. Five.
Says "sex" by mistake.
Stammers.
Shivers.
Eyes lock.
Pupils dialate.
Jaw drops into Bimbo Flytrap Position.
Her soul slowly seeps out her wounded soulless eyes.
And you can squeeze her boobs and everything.
She's just frozen there ... see!!
Let's see if she shaved this morning!
And you want to know division by zero!
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#267942 - 09/10/07 10:57 AM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 03/29/05
Posts: 31
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This is the thing .. the goverment jumps down our throat about 2257 and protecting kids ... where is the docmention for bit torrent sites? a 12 year old can go on any of those networks and get it for free.
Uh, that's the difference between a primary and secondary producer
Stevie, the chick seems to be in outer space and you're getting dragged out there with her ....
The 2257 isn't about the 12 y/o kid DOWNLOADING the porn.
Just NOT ACTING in the porn.
And because of the penalties/prison time, no main-stream porn site is going to intentionally use under-aged kids, it's just a way to rattle Porn's collective cage every so often.
My bad i typed that as a run on sentence. I am VERY well aware of 2257 being a way to basically bully the business and to supposedly protect minors for appearing in films. I should have used a period in my sentent i meant jumps down our throat on the 2257 issue AND about kids being able to access porn.
When i get all hyped up my typing skills/grammer turn to poop =) LOL
xoxo,
Megan
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#267943 - 09/10/07 11:04 AM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 03/29/05
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Obviously saying a 120% effort was trying to express my point of how much of sticklers we are about it. While we seem to be on the subject of Uncles?? How many of you want a free copy of our new gay movie???  LOL xoxo, Megan
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#267945 - 09/10/07 11:19 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
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Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
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Still don't get it, Megan.
What documentation which prevent a 12 y/o from downloading porn that ShWorld keeps would you like the bit-torrent site to track?
[personally, I NEVER used b/t since I don't trust them not to harm my PC - however irrational that may or may not be.]
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#267946 - 09/10/07 12:23 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 03/29/05
Posts: 31
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Still don't get it, Megan.
What documentation which prevent a 12 y/o from downloading porn that ShWorld keeps would you like the bit-torrent site to track?
[personally, I NEVER used b/t since I don't trust them not to harm my PC - however irrational that may or may not be.]
I think you mis-read what i was saying.
I was saying that the goverment hassels all of us on our websites .. we have to have documents for everything. But bit torrent sites can host gigs and gigs of porn with no documentation that the people in the videos are over 18.
Then on a second note ... we require age verification to access our website by billing from a credit card (which granted a kid COULD have stolen the card and know all the info, but it's the best we can do at this time) but they just have it linked and available to anyone. They arn't even trying to prevent kids from watching it. Plus they allow anyone to post video. How do we know the people appearing in the video are of age? Consenting? etc?
And i agree with you on the BT's harning your computer .. their are a TON of fake ones out there set up to do just that.
xoxo,
Megan
Edited by SWorldMegan (09/10/07 12:26 PM)
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#267948 - 09/10/07 12:35 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 03/29/05
Posts: 31
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I'll write a no holds barred review of it if you want to give it away that bad. Is that that College Invasion one?
If that's the case you should be all over the news...if not you should fire your P.R. person and hire me. 
It hit the streets 8/28 it is the first All male College Invasion. We have gotten quite a bit of Press on the gay porn blogs and stuff but mainstream media hasn't picked this up .. nor are we sure we want them to yet. We are testing the waters with this title. We wern't sure if we would be any good at it, we wern't sure if fans would respond .. etc. But so far it has done really well. Now we are waiting for some reviews to come in to see if it's something people think we should continue. It's kind of "play it by ear " right now.
But if you shoot me your address to my email ... which isn't hard to figure out .. my first name at shanesworld.com ... i will totally send it to you. We would love some feedback on this title.
xoxo,
Megan
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