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Isn't Shelley--self-promoting cunt that she is--a more benign puppeteer than the average suitcase pimp, or pornographer for that matter, with his lure of cold cash in exchange for a hot ass reaming the bitch will never forget?

Having Shelley as your pimp at least means your crotch isn't chronically sore (or infected, right Mia?); that's got to be nice for the bitches.



Gumbs Lubben is herself a puppet of the larger Christian movement. She's no Master of Puppets, merely an enforcer for forces bigger than her.

Which is worse: Being "enslaved" bodily, either through cash or tweek, or having your mind, heart and soul owned, enslaved and oblitterated by Jesus Freaks. Despite an occasional ooze, Mia's got it better than the Sierras of the industry.



Interesting stuff. First, I'd of course accept that Shelley herself is pretty lost in the Movement; she's hardly the Emperor. Still, she is the proximal string puller vis a vis Sierra. That's not to say her own strings aren't being pulled.

But that's probably not so important. I guess the comparison ought to be drawn explicitly at this point: Shelley and the "Sex Industry Survivor" movement are trying to do what Bill W. and AA did for alcoholics. Similar techniques are used (the AA "Higher Power"), and similar complaints are routinely leveled at AA: i.e., it's cultish, it's exclusionary of other treatment methods, it's all about God saving your soul (AA did start as an explicitly Christian movement, that was then modified for a secular culture.

A lot of AA members, especially newer ones, sound brainwashed. Actually, no, they are brainwashed. In time (in my experience, anyway), I've found most of the senior members (5 years plus) still believe in AA community, but take some of the writings and teaching with a grain of salt. But without original brainwashing, it's hard to get an addict to that point, where they can critically survey the program. You kind of have to get them mindlessly addicted to the program at first (surrender to the Higher Power, don't ask questions, just have faith, etc).

Long story short: Shelley Lubben and the movement she's a part of are no more pernicious than AA. Now, some people actually think AA is a menace. But most people (including the psychiatric community) consider it one of the best means of helping addicts stay clean and put their lives back together. Sure, there is brainwashing involved, but sometimes thats required to reach people deep in the throes of a problem.

And by and large, being a porno whore means something's gotten kind of fucked up somewhere, though I'm sure many on this board will defend it tooth and nail. The well-known fact that no one wants their own child or close relatives to do porn or prostitution, or other sex industry work is the best evidence, tried and true as it is, that such arguments are self-serving and disingenuous. The idea that most--not all, but most--of these girls have robust emotional lives and are not in one way or another seriously dysfunctional is ludicrous really. For most whores, being a whore is every bit as "unmanageable" as being an alcoholic: people who feel good about themselves and their prospects in life just don't typically suck cock for cash.

So, just as with alcohol and drug addiction, and AA and the other 12 step programs, if it takes some initial brainwashing to stabilize the troubled person, so be it. What's the alternative, really?

Anyway, that's one line of thought to consider I guess.
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