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#260799 - 07/20/07 06:29 PM
What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 249
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Good people, I need your help. I get lost in your eyes, I don't know why... Whoops. Wrong window. I am participating in a week long "Dust-Up" on the online OP/ED section of The Los Angeles Times. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup-archive,0,4667134.htmlstory?coll=la-promo-opinion By Monday morning, I have to prepare an essay of general interest for a family audience on this: "What is the difference between news and gossip? Is the distinction changing?" Do you have any thoughts? May I quote you? Here's some background on this duel to the death: http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=490God bless you in all of your legitimate endeavors.
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#260800 - 07/20/07 06:33 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 249
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This is a big professional opportunity for me. I know you want me to do my best and to make y'all proud.
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#260801 - 07/20/07 06:56 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/02/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Hanging a clock in my Bathroom
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Good people, I need your help.
I get lost in your eyes, I don't know why...
Whoops. Wrong window.
I am participating in a week long "Dust-Up" on the online OP/ED section of The Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup-archive,0,4667134.htmlstory?coll=la-promo-opinion
By Monday morning, I have to prepare an essay of general interest for a family audience on this: "What is the difference between news and gossip? Is the distinction changing?"
Do you have any thoughts? May I quote you?
Here's some background on this duel to the death:
http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=490
God bless you in all of your legitimate endeavors.
I saw this on your other site and I commented it on another thread, so I'm sure you saw it. If you're honestly asking then I'm glad you did. To my mind the difference between gossip and news is that gossip for the most part is pointless, inane and accomplishes nothing. Whereas actual news informs, but does so in fashion that allows the facts to apeak without commentary.
People are by their nature given to making judgments on their own, often without all of the facts that may pertain to a situation. And I understand that it is difficult occasionally to make a true judgement. In my experience even though I'm of Irish Protestant descent I looked at the situation in Northern Ireland during the 'troubles' not as religious division as much as it was a class division- alongside some pretty intensive historical conflicts between the Irish and the English. At first I thought the IRA were simply bastards, but as I learned more about them, and the protestant para-militaries my view eventually changed. Not into a supporter of the IRA but into seeing the inevitability of the Catholic/Protestant conflict there. with a hope that something better would come of all of it.
happily it seems that is has, the current peace in NI was however never considered a forgone conclusion.
If you're wondering what this has to do with anything, its this. I made it a priority to learn about the situation, not just from my family, but from other sources, books newspapers, articles magazines, and when the time came, the internet. But I made it a point to examine the what was actually happening, as opposed to what one side or the other claimed what was happening. and this is where I have some sympathy for you, you have chosen for whatever reason to work primarily in the an industry which can be a difficult business that often works a great deal on marketing the product with an often fluid mix of people. That all said, I still believe that for so that if one is going to be taken seriously as a reporter, blogger whatever that facts themselves , not opinions but the bare basic facts both good and bad must be presented in order for people to make an informed decision about an issue.
If a reporter cannot separate themselves from their own opinions they how can they no pass those same feelings onto their audience?
Anyways perhaps this helped
Edited by hyperion (07/20/07 07:03 PM)
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#260803 - 07/20/07 07:21 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 21
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I don't know that I would say the definitions of "news" and "gossip" are changing, but I would argue that major media outlets are deliberately blurring the distinction between the two. Neither Paris nor Anna Nicole are "news" as far as anyone I know is concerned, yet they both dominated the headlines of otherwise-respectable news outlets for weeks.
I think that turning gossip into news is a reflection of the fact that journalism has been selling its soul for a century. The process seems to have accelerated rapidly recently; traditional news outlets are becoming increasingly conglomerated into entities that are owned by relatively few parent companies - companies which also have both holdings in the entertainment industry and concern and influence in the political arena.
That news is becoming just another form of entertainment is not a startlingly new or original revelation, of course, but it does help explain part of the appeal of blogging - bloggers are knowledgeable about their topics and they blog about topics that are of interest to their readers. With mainstream media becoming increasingly fluffy and disconnected, bloggers with credibility about their own subject matter (astronomy, politics, finance, jizzmopping) are going to continue to gain relevance as viable news sources.
It's not going to happen without some growing pains and adjustments (objectivity concerns will have to be addressed), but I think blogging as a whole is going to become increasingly viable as a news source once we see individual bloggers proving themselves just as capable as their mainstream counterparts.
That's just my two cents; blogging is not going to knock out mainstream media, but it's certainly going to knock it around in some areas and supplement it in others.
My opinion; hope it helps.
Edited by who (07/20/07 07:23 PM)
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#260804 - 07/20/07 08:20 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Gossip is the Horseshit one peddles when (a) there is no real news, (b) one is too lazy to get up off one's ass before noon and find some real news, or (c) one's ratings are slipping and one believes that the sleek, sexy shit one finds on Page Six will bring said ratings back up.
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#260805 - 07/21/07 10:25 AM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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What's the difference between news and gossip?
In newspaper terms, news is what happened yesterday, gossip is what's happening tomorrow.
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I also am subcribe to postal pornography - CAOH
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#260806 - 07/21/07 01:32 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 06/27/06
Posts: 323
Loc: Back in Gia's camera case
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The camera of death.
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#260807 - 07/21/07 07:46 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 06/15/07
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I tend to side with Conky, but, journalist or not, if you need to ask, you won't understand the answer. Poobah9 
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#260808 - 07/23/07 05:47 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/02/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Hanging a clock in my Bathroom
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Just in case anyone was interested this was lukes foray into the question of journalistic ethics at the LAtimes Lukes hands covered in blood or filth? Dear Eric, If my hands are not covered with blood, then they are covered with a filth that will never go away. It's my fault that I'm such a shoddy journalist, but I never could have hurt so many innocent people without blogging. The horrible things I've done online would never have happened if I wrote for a high school newspaper, let alone a professional news organization: In April 1998, I confused "Catalin" for "Kaitlyn" and incorrectly posted to a newsgroup that a certain actress had tested HIV-positive. In numerous online postings in the spring of 1997, I ran paragraphs of quotes published by others without attribution. I repeatedly taunted my esteemed colleague Michael Louis Albo (in addition to plagiarizing a few of his jokes), provoking this mild-mannered gentleman into first dumping my ass out of his car in Boyle Heights, then smacking my head into a lightpole in Beverly Hills and finally dragging me around a parking lot in Chatsworth while delivering a lecture to me on journalistic ethics. Not only have I repeatedly slept with people I blog about (and sometimes borrowed money from them), I've gotten many of my best scoops while horizontal. I've made up stories about businessmen in the San Fernando Valley, costing them sleepless nights and a lot of money. In my mind, what I was doing was constitutionally protected satire, but many of my readers didn't realize the difference between my reporting and my cruel attempts at humor. Eric, you don't have to convince me that bloggers are dangerous. Out of the more than 50 million blogs online, I'm sure that fewer than 1% are reliable journalism. But in the information game, there is something more important than journalism — and that is merit. If tomorrow I break a story by violating every journalistic principle, but it is an important story containing new information that positively affects thousands of lives, then I've done a good thing, even if it is bad journalism. Individual bloggers, just like news organizations, develop reputations. For instance, if I'm reading ERSnews.com or LAObserved.com, I'm reading something every bit as reliable as the Los Angeles Times. If I'm reading an anonymous comment on mayorsam.blogspot.com, then I have to compare what I'm reading to everything else I know about the subject and then make a judgment. I've never been a blog triumphalist. I've never pushed people to read blogs. The smart person will read a blog when it is to his advantage to do so — meaning that there is information there that he can find nowhere else. You're a general assignment reporter. You can't be expected to have the depth of knowledge that thousands of bloggers out there have on their niche. When bloggers get a story wrong, they can be sued for defamation just like any print journalist. I know. I've been sued five times. (One of those suits was dropped, and another was thrown out. One was settled when my insurance company paid $100,000, and the other two were settled when I deleted some content from my site without making a retraction.) Luke Ford of lukeford.net has earned his living from blogging for a decade. He's the author of five books, four of them self-published.
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#260809 - 07/23/07 07:58 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 451
Loc: Houston
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You can look up the technical definition online but in general; "News" is when you check your facts and verify sources. This is what people in the real world tend to do when they want work in the field of journalism. "Gossip" is the shadowy realm of printing anything you can cut and paste, emails from disgruntled sources that demand to remain nameless, and the dirt that so many claim to hate but secretly read anyway on the hopes that it is about someone else.
As I've told you in the past, you have the potential to provide a better news source than most in the industry but you typically cater to the LCD types and limit your website greatly in the process. Despite what so many think, you have enough potential to provide a real alternative to the industry websites but all too often just go ahead with the story so you can scoop the likes of Gene or others.
It's not like there aren't plenty of great stories just dying on the vine for lack of someone willing to spend a few hours (or days, weeks, etc) researching them but don't expect the industry publications and websites to check these out (AVN will if it involves attacking religion, the government, or the GOP but rarely scrutinize potential advertisers). Just like "good porn", there is a huge market for real news and not just press releases or dressed up editorials that amount to junior high level rants but you have to want to do it.
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#260810 - 07/23/07 08:48 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 06/05/05
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Loc: Great America
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The camera of death.
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#260811 - 07/23/07 10:41 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/02/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Hanging a clock in my Bathroom
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You can look up the technical definition online but in general; "News" is when you check your facts and verify sources. This is what people in the real world tend to do when they want work in the field of journalism. "Gossip" is the shadowy realm of printing anything you can cut and paste, emails from disgruntled sources that demand to remain nameless, and the dirt that so many claim to hate but secretly read anyway on the hopes that it is about someone else.
As I've told you in the past, you have the potential to provide a better news source than most in the industry but you typically cater to the LCD types and limit your website greatly in the process. Despite what so many think, you have enough potential to provide a real alternative to the industry websites but all too often just go ahead with the story so you can scoop the likes of Gene or others.
It's not like there aren't plenty of great stories just dying on the vine for lack of someone willing to spend a few hours (or days, weeks, etc) researching them but don't expect the industry publications and websites to check these out (AVN will if it involves attacking religion, the government, or the GOP but rarely scrutinize potential advertisers). Just like "good porn", there is a huge market for real news and not just press releases or dressed up editorials that amount to junior high level rants but you have to want to do it.
you probably knew this already but Luke had nothing to do with the post I made, I just thought because of the reaction to his blog in the last few weeks that people would like to know how he felt. I don't think he would've posted here himself, he seems to have disappeared from here for a while
I agree with your assesment as well. Porn is like any other business and there are probably good stories within that business in which Luke could investigate and help make the business a better place to work, perhaps a naive thought but nvertheless a good one to try. However Luke is fixated on what he perceives to be the "Evil Industry" if i can mangle a quote. And not only that he seems to have become uncomfortable close to some of the people in the industry - and im not refering to the people he claims to have slept with. You cannot be objective if your in a relationship [ journalistically speaking] that compromises your ability to evenly and without bias present facts for people to make their own judgments.
Unfortunately Luke seems to go for the low road
Edited by hyperion (07/23/07 10:47 PM)
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#260812 - 07/24/07 01:44 AM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Pervert
Registered: 08/05/05
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Loc: Faber College
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I guess gossip is when you say Christi Lake was banging dogs. Is she the one who got the 100 grand?
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#260813 - 07/24/07 11:49 AM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/02/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Hanging a clock in my Bathroom
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I guess gossip is when you say Christi Lake was banging dogs. Is she the one who got the 100 grand?
no idea, I know it happened of course. Never did find out what the consequences for Luke were.If she got a hundred thousand I wonder who paid it. From what I understand - and I could be wrong here- Luke isn't exactly the wealthiest man
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#260815 - 07/24/07 03:51 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/02/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Hanging a clock in my Bathroom
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Today apparently Luke goes first He died for our sins As a blogger, I am despised and rejected of journalists, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. I gave my back to the smiters, and hid not my face from shame and spitting. I have borne your griefs and carried your sorrows. I was wounded for your transgressions, bruised for your iniquities, and with my stripes you are healed. It seemed like just an ordinary January day in 1999, when, in the course of doing my journalistic due diligence, I came across topless porn actress Nancy Vee walking in a garden. With no thought for my own dignity, I selflessly and immediately threw my hands over her chest to preserve her honor (this is forever immortalized on certain JPEGs floating around the Internet). Similarly, Eric, by breaking the Antonio Villaraigosa story, I covered up your journalistic nakedness. I took the shame of writing about the mayor's sex life onto myself so that you and your peers could follow up with the mayor: "Tony, we hate to ask you this, but there's this darn blog..." Reporting is now a profession. It goes by the fancy name of "journalism." It's a major in dozens of universities, and you can even go to graduate school to study it. Journalism has this ponderous code of ethics, and its practitioners at the big-city level are overwhelmingly bourgeois. They don't want to write, unbidden, about somebody's sex life because they are above such things (also, journalists are overwhelmingly secular, and they don't want to be outed when they screw around). It sounds noble to eschew penetrating a politician's private life. But if you argue that the mayor's sex life is not important, then you must also argue that the mayor as a person is not important. It's one thing if you want to devote your news organization solely to covering the issues, but once you start covering personalities, you can't always avoid sex, particularly if it violates communal norms. What if a politician is committing incest? Would you ignore that so long as it does not affect his work? What if he has a taste for rough trade and shows up to news conferences with bruises? Nobody writes about Meryl Streep's sex life, or Jimmy Carter's, because they carry themselves in this respect with dignity. The mayor, however, is a reckless philanderer. Angelenos deserve to know whom he's banging — after all, it's the person you most consistently have sex with who usually has the most influence over you. Affairs make a public figure susceptible to blackmail and to conflicts of interest, not to mention lawsuits and bribery. I know I'd be willing to devote my blog to any subject a particular hottie reporter desired if she'd only have dinner with me. There are many problems with reporting on somebody's sex life. It's difficult to prove since the action usually goes on behind closed doors. Still, it is possible to ascertain who the mayor is spending his quality time with. Maybe they're just studying Shakespeare? Luke Ford of lukeford.net has earned his living from blogging for a decade. He's the author of five books, four of them self-published. The Retort Calm down, Luke, no need to nail yourself to a cross. Reporters in this town ought to repent on their own. The media didn't press very hard at all after the mayor announced that he was separating from his wife. And we should have. Anyone have a hair shirt? It was clear at the mayor's first news conference that there were many unanswered questions. When asked if he was having an affair, Villaraigosa wouldn't comment. Then, a few days later, his wife filed for divorce. Clearly, she was angry about something. By that time, most of the blogs already knew what the "something" was: The mayor had been carrying on with Telemundo's Mirthala Salinas. Why didn't mainstream media reporters, particularly those on the City Hall beat, report this scandal? Surely they must have heard the rumors. Many of them may have known about the relationship for as long as a year beforehand. Luke, you think it's because big-city journalists are squeamish about sex. I hope you're wrong. I think it has more to do with a failure to really analyze why the story mattered. During the election campaign, the mayor carefully tried to maintain an image of himself as a "devoted family man." His wife appeared with him at fundraisers. His own name — which combines his surname with his wife's — called attention to his marriage. Even after he took office, Villaraigosa wanted PR promoting himself as a father and husband. A year ago, his aides arranged for one of our KTLA reporters, Lynette Romero, to visit him and his family at Getty House, the mayor's mansion. Corina Villaraigosa granted us an exclusive interview about her role as the mayor's wife. Our photographers took pictures of the mayor, his wife and kids sitting around the dinner table. So the breakup of the mayor's marriage was most definitely a news story. He'd made his marriage "newsworthy" a long time ago. Reporters should have challenged him when he exhorted them to "respect his family's privacy." What gave him the right to draw that line? You don't get privacy when you're the mayor of the country's second-largest city who used his marriage to try to win votes. I think the traditional media outlets slowly came around to this position as the blogs began to broadcast all the rumors. But Luke, as you rightly point out, reporting on somebody's sex life is not easy, especially when both parties don't want to talk about it. Kudos are due, I think, to Daily News reporter Beth Barrett, who tracked down the mayor's 88-year-old mother-in-law. As any married man knows, your wife's mother probably never thought you were good enough anyway. Of course, the mother-in-law would give you the scoop. And, of course, she did. Once the Daily News had her comments, the mayor was forced to admit he was having an affair. Finding her was a stroke of genius! Eric Spillman has been a reporter for the "KTLA Morning Show" since 1991. He blogs at ktla.com. Opinions welcome
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#260816 - 07/24/07 04:12 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#260817 - 07/24/07 04:39 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/17/07
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Gossip is bad news. 
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#260818 - 07/24/07 09:41 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 01/12/07
Posts: 55
Loc: Corner of Canoga and Saticoy
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Good people, I need your help.
I get lost in your eyes, I don't know why...
Whoops. Wrong window.
I am participating in a week long "Dust-Up" on the online OP/ED section of The Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup-archive,0,4667134.htmlstory?coll=la-promo-opinion
By Monday morning, I have to prepare an essay of general interest for a family audience on this: "What is the difference between news and gossip? Is the distinction changing?"
Do you have any thoughts? May I quote you?
Here's some background on this duel to the death:
http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=490
God bless you in all of your legitimate endeavors.
You seemingly never have understood the difference, which, obviously, is just another reason why you are a complete dipshit. 
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"I can relate to Larry Craig. Like the good senator from Idaho, I am not gay, but I do like, on occasion, to prowl airport men's rooms for a little hot man-on-man action. Again, that doesn't make me gay."
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#260819 - 07/25/07 05:42 PM
Re: What's The Diff Between News & Gossip?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/02/07
Posts: 99
Loc: Hanging a clock in my Bathroom
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Todays Installment I live in a hovel. You live in a townhouse! Today, Spillman and Ford debate the changing role of the destination media. Previously they discussed the role of blogs and mainstream press in the Mirthala Salinas story and the distinction between credentialed and non-credentialed media. Later this week, they'll discuss dealing with spin from public figures and more. We can do it By Eric Spillman Luke, If I don't sound coherent, I apologize in advance. My mind has been fried by reporting all day on Lindsay Lohan's latest escapade, which is a shame, because today's topic is serious. The traditional media outlets in town must do more than just be a stamp of authority on news that everyone already knows. We can bring much-needed context and background to important stories. We can enlighten on issues that bind this region together. And most of important of all, we can focus on news that is relevant. We have to do something. Newspapers are losing readers and TV newscasts are losing viewers. The reasons for this may not be our fault. People have less time than they used to. They're spending many hours stuck in traffic. And when they do want to find out what's happening, they have plenty of options. People don't have to be passive consumers of news anymore. The Internet has brought more democracy to the flow of information. Local independent blogs have become graffiti boards where stories and rumors are traded. They are giving the average person a chance to participate in a way that they've not had before. The bottom line is: We have more competition now, and that means we've got to do better. The question today is about whether we in the old media still can and should break news that matters. Of course we should. In television, I get a sick feeling whenever anyone uses the term "breaking news" because, in my line of work, that phrase usually means we're reporting on something that doesn't really matter to most of the audience. When you see the "breaking news" banner across the screen, get ready for a celebrity arrest, an overturned big rig on the freeway or a police chase. Let's stop that stuff and give the audience something with more depth. I hope my bosses are listening. Luke, go ahead, beat up on us some more. I live in a hovel. You live in a townhouse! By Luke Ford Dear Eric, I want to make a difference. I want to give my readers something they can't get elsewhere. As a blogger with no love, no life and no money, I must do that or die. My life is humiliation alternating with desperation. Out-of-control narcissism leaves me with lots of time and a big chip on my shoulder. Writing is how I connect with others. Publishing scoops makes me feel important. You're already important. You've got the awards and the job to prove it. You have a life. You have a wife and kids. I ain't got none of those things. And I resent it. You're a general assignment TV reporter. That is a cool gig unless you want to break stories. If every TV news program in Los Angeles shut down, our understanding of our city would be essentially unchanged. Be it KTLA or KCBS or KNBC or KABC, local TV news is worthless (except as entertainment). What is my proof? The paucity of important stories broken by local TV reporters. Eric, if you had spent Tuesday in bed with Paris Hilton instead of chasing the Lindsay Lohan story, our knowledge of Lindsay Lohan and the issues her case raise would be undiminished. With all the reporters chasing her story, you can't add much in your few minutes of air time. Only a print reporter or blogger can do something special. This isn't your fault. It's the nature of the medium. TV appeals to the eye, and when people pursue eye candy, "they prostitute themselves" (Numbers 15:39). If you want to be deep, you have to read. If you want to understand our town right now, you have to read the Los Angeles Times, which has more power (and more accomplished reporters) than every other news organization in L.A. put together. The Times sets our agenda. Even those who hate the paper and proclaim they never read it are profoundly affected by it because the people who run our city read it and make decisions, in part, by what it publishes. If a mover-and-shaker in Los Angeles has a story that he wants widely distributed by the most influential media, he won't turn to me until he has been rejected by all the professional reporters. I get the droppings. I get the crap that other media don't want to touch. Did I break the Villaraigosa story because I'm a great journalist? Was I first to publish about Anthony Pellicano's troubles because I am so swell? No. I just happened to chitchat with real journalists who wanted to get their stories moving. I generally hear from the losers of society, those with stories rejected by The Times and the Jewish Journal. I get phone calls at 2 a.m. from drunks and drug addicts. I listen for hours to women who were thrown out of their shul or marriage or university and want to get even. In this muck, I make my home. But when I look up, I see stars like you, Eric, and I have hope. Luke Ford of lukeford.net has earned his living from blogging for a decade. He's the author of five books, four of them self-published.
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#260821 - 07/25/07 07:02 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 786
Loc: on the dark side of the moon
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I'm posting these things because I'm trying to get a better read on Luke than lot of the hyperbole that is out there about him.
When it comes to porn it seems clear that he is incredibly biased and yet he chastises the MSM for not doing it's job? Now I hope Luke reads this and understand that it isn't a personal attack but more in the lines of an ongoing curiosity about the divergence in his outlook on journalism. Can you be anti-porn and report on it in an unbiased (hidden or not) manner?
Why would anyone want to report anything in an unbiased manner? That would be hypocritical, in addition to being boring. Also, I thought unbiased reporting was the sole domain of News Corp. - "Fair and Balanced" TM
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#260822 - 07/25/07 08:08 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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I'm posting these things because I'm trying to get a better read on Luke than lot of the hyperbole that is out there about him.
When it comes to porn it seems clear that he is incredibly biased and yet he chastises the MSM for not doing it's job? Now I hope Luke reads this and understand that it isn't a personal attack but more in the lines of an ongoing curiosity about the divergence in his outlook on journalism. Can you be anti-porn and report on it in an unbiased (hidden or not) manner?
Why would anyone want to report anything in an unbiased manner? That would be hypocritical, in addition to being boring. Also, I thought unbiased reporting was the sole domain of News Corp. - "Fair and Balanced" TM
So if im reading this correctly by being hyprocritical we come closer to the truth?
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#260823 - 07/25/07 08:58 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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I'm posting these things because I'm trying to get a better read on Luke than lot of the hyperbole that is out there about him.
When it comes to porn it seems clear that he is incredibly biased and yet he chastises the MSM for not doing it's job? Now I hope Luke reads this and understand that it isn't a personal attack but more in the lines of an ongoing curiosity about the divergence in his outlook on journalism. Can you be anti-porn and report on it in an unbiased (hidden or not) manner?
Why would anyone want to report anything in an unbiased manner? That would be hypocritical, in addition to being boring. Also, I thought unbiased reporting was the sole domain of News Corp. - "Fair and Balanced" TM
So if im reading this correctly by being hyprocritical we come closer to the truth?
Deep.
I don't think so. I say that pretending to be reporting "the" truth in an unbiased manner is an act of hypocrisy. Why? Because the truth is very expensive to come by, and a one man outfit who "needs to maximize its returns" (as Luke Ford put it himself once) doesn't have the resources to do so. So it's more honest to drop that pretense from the get go. Even the "news" rooms at major broadcasters have no resources to investigate and research "the truth".
"The truth" is the domain of religion, corporate intelligence units and governments. Not to bore you with clichés, you know the iconic inscription in the lobby of the Original Headquarters Building of the CIA:
"And Ye Shall Know the Truth and the Truth Shall Make You Free" - John 8:32
Still, sometimes there is more truth and integrity to be found in a little bit of porn gossip then on the front pages of national newspapers.
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#260824 - 07/25/07 10:39 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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I'm posting these things because I'm trying to get a better read on Luke than lot of the hyperbole that is out there about him.
When it comes to porn it seems clear that he is incredibly biased and yet he chastises the MSM for not doing it's job? Now I hope Luke reads this and understand that it isn't a personal attack but more in the lines of an ongoing curiosity about the divergence in his outlook on journalism. Can you be anti-porn and report on it in an unbiased (hidden or not) manner?
Why would anyone want to report anything in an unbiased manner? That would be hypocritical, in addition to being boring. Also, I thought unbiased reporting was the sole domain of News Corp. - "Fair and Balanced" TM
So if im reading this correctly by being hypocritical we come closer to the truth?
Deep.
I don't think so. I say that pretending to be reporting "the" truth in an unbiased manner is an act of hypocrisy. Why? Because the truth is very expensive to come by, and a one man outfit who "needs to maximize its returns" (as Luke Ford put it himself once) doesn't have the resources to do so. So it's more honest to drop that pretense from the get go. Even the "news" rooms at major broadcasters have no resources to investigate and research "the truth".
"The truth" is the domain of religion, corporate intelligence units and governments. Not to bore you with clichés, you know the iconic inscription in the lobby of the Original Headquarters Building of the CIA:
"And Ye Shall Know the Truth and the Truth Shall Make You Free" - John 8:32
Still, sometimes there is more truth and integrity to be found in a little bit of porn gossip then on the front pages of national newspapers.
I would tend to agree with you, its just my sense that Luke would like to have it both ways though. He's been hard charging on the Mayor's affair, his marriage and the feeling that the MSM wasn't doing enough to uncover the 'truth' - whatever it is.
I think a lot of people would be a lot more accepting of Luke if he chose which side of the fence he should be on. He at least from my eyes, wants to be part of the porn industry , and then again he doesn't. There is such a thing as honest critiques and criticism.
A good piece I read was from years ago by Bethany Mclean who wrote the first article asking an open question upon how Enron actually said they made money. She didn't outright accuse Enron of fraud at that time but she laid out a trail of events that led not just those in the Ivory towers to ask questions, but the average investor as well..
Luke is in the position he has created for himself in the porn industry of both being an insider and an outsider. by being an insider to an extent he may find himself in a position of not reporting an accurate and important story because of the relationships he has built to be an insider in porn and to keep those contacts. But he also tries to appear to be an outsider in the sense that it seems he has a moral problem [ or at least an internal conflict] when it comes to the idea of the Adult Industry. and to an extent its part of the responsability of the situation with Luke lies within the industry itself for the simple reason is that people still talk to him. for the most part gossip, which is human nature and for the most part of little day-to-day relevance
While being a one man show definitely has its drawbacks, it also has the advantage of being free to print without the fear of a story being spiked because its to 'sensitive' , something else he mentioned on his other blog the other day.That being said there are all kinds of stories within the Adult Business, I imagine its like any other commercial enterprise with its people practicing good and bad business. And yet is seems just as a general overview Luke spends a fair amount of time focusing on items that have little interest for those working in or being customers of that industry to inform them, but focuses on the Adult Industry and creates stories that appeal to those who would like to see the Industry made illegal and stopped.
Just my 2 Candaian Cents ( or about 1.8 cents U.S.)
Edited by hyperion (07/25/07 11:57 PM)
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#260825 - 07/25/07 10:44 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
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This thread should be taken out back and shot.
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#260826 - 07/25/07 10:48 PM
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Porn Jesus
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i'm the one that rated this thread one star. i wish i could rate it negative five stars, but sadly that option is unavailable. luke, take this crap to your non-porn holier than thou blog. prick.
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#260829 - 07/25/07 11:07 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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This thread should be taken out back and shot.
Try a handful of these... or, just don't read things that make you anxious.
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#260830 - 07/26/07 06:10 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/07
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The posts in this thread make Burg's read with the clarity and succintness of a Jeff Foxworthy book.
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#260831 - 07/26/07 08:49 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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This thread is in no way strokeworthy and should be in A World Outside Porn.
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#260832 - 07/26/07 11:58 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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This thread is in no way strokeworthy and should be in A World Outside Porn.
Thats probably true, if somone could move it please
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