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Luke is painting with a slightly broad brush, but only slightly. What porn are you people watching? The banner for this board used to be "Whores Degraded Daily".... Is there any porn that is not degrading to the women? Very little that I can see.



If you are speaking of most of the people here at XPT, who it seems do watch the gonzo type porn, then I can see your point-- they do enjoy the harder stuff. And there's nothing wrong with that, I often do too (but I tread a middle ground, no Meatholes scenes for me, thanks). But if you're talking to the general public, the kind of porn consumers that DON'T post on chatboards and are a "Vivid-type" porn consumer, then I think it's a bit off the mark. I don't know the current ratio of sales in terms of who watches what, but I assume that the general public still favors the "couples-type" movies, such Jenna's, Wicked's, etc? As far as I know there is only a small niche of people who watch the Khan Tusion/Max Hardcore movies, but it's a strong niche, the kind of people who consume a lot more porn than those who purchase a Vivid flick every once in a while. I personally do believe that there is a lot of porn out there that is NOT degrading to women, but you just won't find the audience for those movies here.

For example, I don't believe that the porn we produce is degrading to women, because if I did, I wouldn't have chosen this as my career. My members really glorify the girls I shoot: they want to see them portrayed as strong, sexually powerful women, not pre-pubescent school girls. Which is why we lean so heavily on the glamor aspect, and in virtually every fetish/domination scene we produce, the woman always plays the dominant role. Now that being said, we have filmed scenes where it's gotten a bit rougher than what we normally turn out, but this has always been at the behest of the girl. I am always adamant that the model is in control of what she is comfortable with, and how she wants to be treated in the scene. I only allow the girls who want to be treated roughly to do so, because I myself enjoy being submissive in bed, and I know it has nothing to do with being unwillingly coerced into such a situation. Nor does it mean that women are generally weak whores, because I've discovered that many people's personalities totally switch when they're having sex. What is important in these cases is that the viewer can differentiate between fantasy and reality.

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Why porn has gone down this path I don't know. Perhaps the rise of degrading Gonzo has to do with feminism and the rise of women in the workplace and the sexual harassment culture that makes men afraid to even talk to women in the workplace and essentially feminizes them driving their true feelings underground. Perhaps degrading porn is the outlet for all of that.



I think that's a really good, rational explanation. A big inherent problem in human beings is that we are a complex mix of deep-rooted, animalistic urges, combined with an intelligence that has tacked on the bothersome baggage of morals and a conscience. So though we would like to think that we can rise above our carnal desires via our evolved mental caliber, we often find that fun part of our brain that Freud named "Id" tugging us back into the shameful recesses of bestial behavior. So basically if you suppress men's outlets for sexual aggression in one factor, it finds a way to spill out into another.

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You seem to be looking at the the situation of porn with an eye to finding the story of human morality or immorality within it. But you always seem to overlook the fact that porn is a business and nor a search for whatever truth your looking for.



But in the end I think what Hyperion said is as deep as one can get when you're analyzing the adult industry. It's a business that produces a product that is in high demand, which is why it's powerful and prolific. Perhaps if you really want to dig deep into the subject of the human condition, one would be better off trying to figure out why the general populace consumes our product, not why we produce it.

The one sentence that I actually had a problem with was: "The desire to degrade is essential to sexual excitement." Perhaps that sentence was just taken out of context, but as it stands alone in the way in which Luke presented it, it's just another bullshit blanket statement that unfairly generalizes porn consumers.
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