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#25827 - 05/11/04 01:21 PM Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/11/iraq.main/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An al Qaeda-linked Web site posted video Tuesday of a man who identified himself as an American and then was beheaded.

His captors said the United States refused to exchange him for prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison.

The captors also issued a direct statement to President Bush: "The worst is coming and, God willing, the tough days are still to come. You and your soldiers will regret the day that you touched the ground of Iraq."

In the video, a man identifies himself as Nicholas Berg, 26, of Pennsylvania and is shown sitting in an orange jumpsuit in front of five armed, hooded men.

The one standing directly behind the American reads a statement identifying himself, and then Berg is pushed to the floor.

Berg is heard screaming as his throat is cut. One of the captors then holds up his severed head.

"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage for some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib and they refused," the hooded man standing behind the American said just before the killing.

"Coffins will be arriving to you one after the other, slaughtered just like this."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters, "this shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom. They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children."

At the Pentagon, officials confirmed that a body found in Iraq by an Army patrol is the person shown in the beheading video. Earlier, the State Department had identified the body as that of Berg.

The Web site said the killing had been carried out by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of an Islamist terrorist group that has claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on coalition forces in Iraq.

The voice on the tape could not be verified as that of al-Zarqawi.

The Web site also published the text of the statement attributed to al-Zarqawi.

In the statement, the captors refer to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of U.S. military personnel, saying the "picture of dishonor and the news of Satanic assault on the people of Islamic men and women" will not be tolerated.

"Where is the compassion, where is the anger for God's religion, and where is the protection for Muslims' pride in the crusaders' jails?" the man says.

"We tell you the pride of all Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and other jails is worth blood and souls."

Berg was not a soldier or a civilian employee of the Pentagon, the State Department said.

Outside the family home Tuesday in suburban Philadelphia, Bruce Hauser, a neighbor and family spokesman, said Berg owned a company that cleaned and repaired communications towers in Iraq.

Hauser said Berg's family learned about his death Monday and is devastated by the news. The family has asked the State Department to release the body as soon as possible, he said.

Berg's family told The Associated Press that they knew he had been decapitated but weren't aware of the details.

"I knew he was decapitated before," Michael Berg told the AP. "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public."

Suzanne Berg said her son was in Iraq as an independent businessman.

"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she told the AP.

One government official said Berg had earlier been detained by coalition authorities in a sweep. Those authorities contacted the FBI, which interviewed Berg, the source said.

Berg was released when authorities realized he was in Iraq legally, the source said. He was in the process of leaving Iraq when he was taken captive by insurgents.

The FBI confirmed that agents also interviewed Berg's parents about why he was in Iraq.

"The agency had been asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq," FBI spokeswoman Jerri Williams said without elaborating.

In early April, Berg's parents filed suit against Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, saying their son was being held by the U.S. military without merit. However, just days after it was filed, the suit was declared moot.

Rep. Jim Gerlach, who represents Berg's hometown, said he had spoken with the family and they are "very, very much emotionally traumatized by this death. Yet at the same time, they are very strong and they are very composed."

He said the family also wants to "find out a lot more information" about what happened between the time Berg was released by authorities and when he was taken hostage.

"They are very interested in finding out more about those circumstances," Gerlach told CNN.

Najaf battles continue

Earlier Tuesday, U.S. military officials said American soldiers have killed 13 Iraqi militia loyal to renegade Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and have detained 14 others in overnight fighting near Najaf.

Late Monday, members of al-Sadr's Mehdi Army attempted to ambush a U.S. convoy with small-arms fire. No American forces were injured in the incident.

The U.S. military began an offensive Sunday to retake control of parts of the city, reclaiming the governor's palace from al-Sadr's control.

Al-Sadr, who is wanted in connection with the killing of a rival cleric last year, launched an uprising against U.S. troops in April. Since then, coalition forces have cracked down on the cleric's strongholds while trying to avoid religious sites.

Al-Sadr is believed to be in Najaf, where his militia remains in control of much of the Shiite holy city. He travels to nearby Kufa to deliver weekly sermons Fridays.

Saddam handover may occur by June 30

Salem Chalabi, the man heading the Iraqi war crimes tribunal, said Tuesday the coalition is "considering" the possibility of handing over Saddam Hussein to Iraqis before the June 30 date for sovereignty.

But, he told CNN, he is not sure if it is ready to do that.

Earlier, Kuwaiti government sources told CNN they heard Chalabi say the United States would hand over Saddam to the Iraqis before they get sovereignty from the coalition. Wire services issued similar reports.

But Chalabi claimed he was misquoted and misunderstood. He said there is still a lot of work that defense attorneys for Saddam will have to do and it is likely he would not be the first of the suspects tried.

He said the tribunal would try to have his trial completed by the end of next year.



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#25828 - 05/11/04 05:39 PM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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#25829 - 05/12/04 05:14 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I've never felt such hate and disgust towards certain people in this world. A person as myself always finding the good in someone who has claim fault to a crime but the people in Iraq lacking any form of emotional value. To go this far...

... those men were capable of literally decapitating this man. Which obviously not the simplest of tasks. He was more than capable and willing to draw his hands to his neck, cut through, even hold his decapitated head. What the fuckin hell?

What kind of person does it take to be able to handle doing something like that and not be effected? Shit like this makes my stomach cringe and think how hypocritical people in Iraq are.

I was never for just bombing the whole country and get it over with but I'm all for it now. Fuck 'em all. I'm not one political person and will hardly speak much of politics bu those fuckers need to die.

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#25830 - 05/12/04 06:24 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I don't think the beheading is any worse than bombing iraq. Of course it was a horrible thing. But no worse than bombing innocent women and children. You got to remember that Iraq didn't start this war, USA did. They are just defending their country with the means they have, and their most effective weapon is fear.

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#25831 - 05/12/04 06:32 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Buddy, quit trying to justify this heinous act with skewed logic. These terorists aren't defending their country, they're committing crimes in the name of God. If these fuckers gave a fuck about the people there they wouldn't be trying to take it over to push their extremist agenda that the majority of Iraqi's don't agree with. Get off the moral high ground because there is none in this situation. NOBODY'S INNOCENT, but this guy didn't deserve that. BTW, what kind of life did they have under the boot of Saddam?
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#25832 - 05/12/04 06:34 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I don't think the beheading is any worse than bombing iraq. Of course it was a horrible thing. But no worse than bombing innocent women and children. You got to remember that Iraq didn't start this war, USA did. They are just defending their country with the means they have, and their most effective weapon is fear.




I have to disagree. The military goes out of it's way to lessen civilian casualties. These awful excuses for human beings go out of their way to increase them. Yes innocent people die in war what war has this not happened in? There is never an excuse for out and out murder! If they were fighting for their country they would be fighting military not civilian targets. They are not soldiers they are murderers plain and simple.

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#25833 - 05/12/04 06:42 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I'm with Smutmutant... Iraqi's would kill their own people if they wanted to. They don't give a rats ass about each other. Just their own families if that. But then again, the women of the families out there are nothing but a piece of shit to them. Wonderful country don't you think? psh

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#25834 - 05/12/04 06:42 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Of course they are defending their country. Striking fear in your enemy by killing innocent people is a tactic that has been used for thousands of years in war. And it's an understandable tactic when you can't match your opponent in military power.

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If these fuckers gave a fuck about the people there they wouldn't be trying to take it over to push their extremist agenda that the majority of Iraqi's don't agree with.




Your talking about USA right ?

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#25835 - 05/12/04 06:48 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I'm with Smutmutant... Iraqi's would kill their own people if they wanted to. They don't give a rats ass about each other. Just their own families if that. But then again, the women of the families out there are nothing but a piece of shit to them. Wonderful country don't you think? psh




Can you read minds? I, mean, since you know that their complete nation is just filled with heartless killers. That's an amazing trick. Is there any other nation we should look out fore ? Why even try to rebuild iraq, they don't give a shit about anyone right?

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#25836 - 05/12/04 07:22 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Of course they are defending their country. Striking fear in your enemy by killing innocent people is a tactic that has been used for thousands of years in war. And it's an understandable tactic when you can't match your opponent in military power.

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If these fuckers gave a fuck about the people there they wouldn't be trying to take it over to push their extremist agenda that the majority of Iraqi's don't agree with.




Your talking about USA right ?




Eple, you a-hole, don't be such a stupid european. The bastard responsible for this act ain't even an Iraqi. He's a foreigner, too, so just shut the fuck up on this topic before you make yourself look as unitelligent as you are insensitive. He ain't defending his country he's just another al- qaeda trained dirtbag terrorist.
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#25837 - 05/12/04 07:23 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Striking fear in your enemy by killing innocent people is a tactic that has been used for thousands of years in war.




Only by murderers. A real soldier never would.

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Your talking about USA right ?




If you are talking about democracy and freedom then yes I guess these ideas are extreme considering they have never seen them. But I bet these ideas set in pretty easy once they do see them.

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#25838 - 05/12/04 07:25 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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#25839 - 05/12/04 07:28 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Only by murderers. A real soldier never would.





So the americans who bombed bagdad are murderers?

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#25840 - 05/12/04 07:33 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Just another sanctimonious european pushing their point of view with no real insight on anything.

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#25841 - 05/12/04 07:40 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Eple, you a-hole, don't be such a stupid european. The bastard responsible for this act ain't even an Iraqi. He's a foreigner, too, so just shut the fuck up on this topic before you make yourself look as unitelligent as you are insensitive. He ain't defending his country he's just another al- qaeda trained dirtbag terrorist.




I'm sorry that I assumed that he was an iraqi. But that just makes it even more ignorant to blame all iraqi's for it. By the way, name-calling has no place in a debate.

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#25842 - 05/12/04 07:43 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Just another sanctimonious european pushing their point of view with no real insight on anything.




Lol, I'm not pushing my views on anyone. I'm just trying to tell you that there are other sides to a story. The world isn't black and white.

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#25843 - 05/12/04 07:50 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I think we know that already ... we have color digital tv's here too, buddy, and companies, celebrities and politicians pushing all sides. Don't forget there was/is a big anti-war contigent here, too. Now this might've swayed some of those people to the let's kick some ass crew.
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#25844 - 05/12/04 08:00 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I'm not saying _you_ are one-sided. But some people here are just blurting out ignorant and hateful statements. I feel someone's got to play "devil's advocate".

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#25845 - 05/12/04 08:14 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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I'm not saying _you_ are one-sided. But some people here are just blurting out ignorant and hateful statements. I feel someone's got to play "devil's advocate".




Yeah, but don't forget every culture has its hypocricies and it seems ours get broadcast around the world more ... Y'know , I live here amid my fellow americans and see the craziness & hypocricy of our culture more than the world does... Bulletin from America: We're all just pissed & upset right now so be fucking careful what you say because you better back it up or put up your dukes.
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#25846 - 05/12/04 08:32 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in Iraq
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Yeah, but don't forget every culture has its hypocricies and it seems ours get broadcast around the world more ... Y'know , I live here amid my fellow americans and see the craziness & hypocricy of our culture more than the world does... Bulletin from America: We're all just pissed & upset right now so be fucking careful what you say because you better back it up or put up your dukes.




Sure you're pissed and upset, but imagine how the iraqi's feel. They got bombed and invaded, and are helpless to stop it. Just imagine all the rage you felt after 911, and then having someone coming and telling you what to do in your own home.

I really hope that there is going to be peace in Iraq, but in order for that to happen, someone is going to begin to forgive.

Yeah, I know I sound like a hippie.

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#25847 - 05/12/04 08:35 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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I'm with Smutmutant and Gen on this one, but I'm so sick of all the people over there that I am beyond wasting the bombs on them, how about we pull almost all the troops out of Iraq except for a large air base in the north (which we will probably need for future activity in the middle east) and then open up Saddam's cell and say to the people here you go it is what you seem to want, and let him run the country again. It seems the only thing these people understand is the iron will of a dictator. They didn't fight for their own country against Saddam and when we did it for them this is the thanks we get. In a perfect world out of all of the middle east I thought that Iraq was bordering on being civilized enough to be saved I was wrong the actions of the populace have proven me otherwise. I do realize that the vast majority of iraq's people are not the terrorists but they don't seem to be against them either.
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#25848 - 05/12/04 08:46 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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Right on, Cleet.... so, how do the Iraqi's feel w/o Saddam cutting out tongues, raping brides and burying them in mass graves? Are they upset he's gone? Do they want an extreme Islamic dictatorship run by terrorists or do they want to be free? Do they hate America for coming in and giving them a chance at something more than tyranny and abuse?
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#25849 - 05/12/04 08:54 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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Right on, Cleet.... so, how do the Iraqi's feel w/o Saddam cutting out tongues, raping brides and burying them in mass graves? Are they upset he's gone? Do they want an extreme Islamic dictatorship run by terrorists or do they want to be free? Do they hate America for coming in and giving them a chance at something more than tyranny and abuse?




Well, you got to remember that people who had power because of Saddam, probably loved him. And the ones that were terrorized by his regime, lived their entire lives in fear. I don't blame them for not running in the streets celebrating in a country were there still are people who support Saddam, and are willing to kill for him.

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#25850 - 05/12/04 09:30 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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Eple your point may be sound in the area right around Bagdad but in the Shiite south that problem does not really exist, the Bathists are mostly Sunni I believe and are centered in that triangle around Baghdad. The Shiites were complaining that we didn't support them enough after the first gulf war which Iraq started, then we did help them in this war and they not only didn't help us they are fighting us too. It would make me sad because so many brave have lost their lives in this war but I am really beginning to think we should pull out and leave a dictator in charge. Ok if not saddam maybe one of his generals who could keep the populace in line.
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#25851 - 05/13/04 09:36 PM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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I have no comment other than to say that the video sickened me, and nobody should have to die in that manner. Political views aside that was simply a gross disregard for basic human rights. This guy meant nobody any harm.
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#25852 - 05/13/04 11:03 PM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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I have no comment other than to say that the video sickened me, and nobody should have to die in that manner. Political views aside that was simply a gross disregard for basic human rights. This guy meant nobody any harm.




Now that you mention it, what exactly was the guy doing there? They say he was in the antenna inspection business or something in the States. They also said that he traveled in Iraq on his own funds. The whole thing sounds fishy. Call me cynical.
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#25853 - 05/13/04 11:53 PM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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Now that you mention it, what exactly was the guy doing there? They say he was in the antenna inspection business or something in the States. They also said that he traveled in Iraq on his own funds. The whole thing sounds fishy. Call me cynical.




I heard that he went to iraq to try to capitalise on the opportunities that were touted for the rebuild of the country. He was trying to get into building and maintaining antenna towers for telecommunications. In other words, like most americans and allied forces that are in iraq at the moment, he was trying to help the iraqis, not hinder them.
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#25854 - 05/14/04 07:18 AM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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Now that you mention it, what exactly was the guy doing there? They say he was in the antenna inspection business or something in the States. They also said that he traveled in Iraq on his own funds. The whole thing sounds fishy. Call me cynical.



He was an American contractor there to help rebuild. He was previously down in Africa also helping to rebuild some villages. Most contractors over in Iraq are getting paid serious tax-free money to go over there. Thats a huge incentive for most people.
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#25855 - 07/21/05 08:58 PM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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Remembered this thread I did. Bump it I shall.

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#25856 - 07/21/05 10:39 PM Re: Video shows beheading of American captive in I
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Remembered this thread I did. Bump it I shall.




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Remembered this thread I did. Bump it I shall.




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