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#250454 - 06/11/07 11:53 AM
ABC News - Free Porn Threatens Adult Film Industry
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Internet Tough Guy
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"Why buy it when you can get it for free on the Internet," says Luke Ford, an industry gossip columnist, comparing pornography to the plight of newspapers losing readers to the Web. "There is less and less reason to pay for porn because there are plenty of free two to three-minute clips out there." Sources: ABC News, lukeisback.com
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#250456 - 06/11/07 12:16 PM
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If its a competition between ANYTHING on the internet and having to get up and go to a store. The internet is going to win. The fact that 10 years into the internet adult companies are still delivering product by DVD is retarded. The fact that scenes are released on DVD first and then VOD is also retarded.
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#250457 - 06/11/07 12:37 PM
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The fact that scenes are released on DVD first and then VOD is also retarded.
I couldn't agree more on this point. With adult theaters disappearing all over the country, VoD should be the medium to see adult films first.
Instead, a lot of the major studios are running the whole business model backwards, making VoD companies wait, 30, 60, or even 90 days after the DVD streets. When the time finally rolls around that the title can be encoded, and offered on VoD, nobody gives a shit about it anymore, they've already bought the DVD, and there are newer titles out.
What the studios should do, is allow their new releases to run on VoD for about a month before the title gets released on DVD. That way they can try to advertise the title, and build up some interest in it, before selling physical copies. This could also be a good way to gauge whether a title will do well, or not, and could even save money on replication... if a title does poorly on VoD, you press less copies, and therefore save money on 1,000 pieces of a shitty title that will just end up sitting in the warehouse.
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#250458 - 06/11/07 12:53 PM
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The fact that scenes are released on DVD first and then VOD is also retarded.
I couldn't agree more on this point. With adult theaters disappearing all over the country, VoD should be the medium to see adult films first.
Instead, a lot of the major studios are running the whole business model backwards, making VoD companies wait, 30, 60, or even 90 days after the DVD streets. When the time finally rolls around that the title can be encoded, and offered on VoD, nobody gives a shit about it anymore, they've already bought the DVD, and there are newer titles out.
What the studios should do, is allow their new releases to run on VoD for about a month before the title gets released on DVD. That way they can try to advertise the title, and build up some interest in it, before selling physical copies. This could also be a good way to gauge whether a title will do well, or not, and could even save money on replication... if a title does poorly on VoD, you press less copies, and therefore save money on 1,000 pieces of a shitty title that will just end up sitting in the warehouse.
This all makes perfect sense. Change or Die! This has been on the horizon for a while and yet the same old business model is being followed. Of course if these guys were really smart, they would be in Silicon Valley instead of Porn Valley.
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#250459 - 06/11/07 12:57 PM
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The fact that scenes are released on DVD first and then VOD is also retarded.
I couldn't agree more on this point. With adult theaters disappearing all over the country, VoD should be the medium to see adult films first.
Instead, a lot of the major studios are running the whole business model backwards, making VoD companies wait, 30, 60, or even 90 days after the DVD streets. When the time finally rolls around that the title can be encoded, and offered on VoD, nobody gives a shit about it anymore, they've already bought the DVD, and there are newer titles out.
What the studios should do, is allow their new releases to run on VoD for about a month before the title gets released on DVD. That way they can try to advertise the title, and build up some interest in it, before selling physical copies. This could also be a good way to gauge whether a title will do well, or not, and could even save money on replication... if a title does poorly on VoD, you press less copies, and therefore save money on 1,000 pieces of a shitty title that will just end up sitting in the warehouse.
This all makes perfect sense. Change or Die! This has been on the horizon for a while and yet the same old business model is being followed. Of course if these guys were really smart, they would be in Silicon Valley instead of Porn Valley.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this! The adult film theater is just about extinct, and the majority of porn producers have yet to replace it... and then they wonder why they aren't making as much money.
Release the VoD early, with a Streaming, or limited Download option, and then when the DVD streets, add in the Download to Own option for the die hard VoD fans. Seems simple enough to me.
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#250460 - 06/11/07 01:32 PM
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Human Garbage
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Only porn could have a customer base of primarily addicts and not realize that giving them the option to hook up their cc and recklessly order scene after scene after scene might be slightly profitable. Its like if the Casinos were to eschew internet gambling.
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#250462 - 06/11/07 06:51 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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This topic seems to be a non-controversial one. Is it because nobody knows what you are talking about? Or is it because everybody except me knows what you are talking about?
If you are a producer, how do you get your content out on VOD? Do you have to make deals with cable companies or satellite operators? Where do you start?
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#250463 - 06/11/07 07:50 PM
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Unless I have completely missed the boat, the VoD that they are talking about is internet based.
While I have not subscribed myself, I believe you can pay to watch a film over a # of days, pay to watch a particular scene and/or pay to watch per minute.
It all depends on the provider you are using.
But this is likely best answered by "The VOD Guy".
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#250464 - 06/11/07 11:32 PM
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Im not an expert, but here is my educated guess. The way things are right now, the porn companies make most of their money from distributors. Now even though, the distributors mark up the dvds before they sell them to the stores who mark them up again, and the amount of money they receive is about 25% of what they make if they sell it direct, they sell so many copies(10's of thousands+), that it is their cash cow. I think that the only real way they will shift their focus to vod, is when the distributors stop buying their product in HUGE quantities. Its the old "if it aint broke dont fix it" theory. Although dvd sales are down, I think most companies prefer not to take an unknown risk and ditch dvd, for vod. Ive noticed that a lot of new and/or amateur companies are doing a lot with vod. I guess this is because they dont have distributors. One other thing to remember here. There are still millions of dirty old men who know nothing about the internet, and dont want to learn. There are also millions of men, who dont want any trace of their activities on credit card statements, internet histories, etc. These people will ALWAYS pay cash at a store for their porn. While the VOD and internet sales will slowly increase over the years and the stores and their dvd sales will decrease, both will always remain, neither being eliminated.
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#250465 - 06/12/07 12:05 AM
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Hollywood studios in video talks with Apple
By Matthew Garrahan in Los Angeles
Sunday Jun 10 2007 17:15
Apple is in advanced talks with Hollywood's largest movie studios about launching an online film rental service to challenge cable and satellite TV operators.
The service could be significant for Apple. If it signs enough studios, the group will get access to more premium film content.
Apple already sells films that can be downloaded and owned, and has distribution deals with Walt Disney and Paramount. Other studios have shied from tie-ups with Apple because of concerns that digital downloading may hit DVD sales.
But studios will be more enthusiastic about joining its video-on-demand service. Films downloaded to rent are unlikely to affect DVD sales.
Apple, which declined to comment, is believed to be aiming for an autumn release.
A film would cost $2.99 for a 30-day rental. Its digital rights-management software would allow films to be moved from a computer to at least one other device such as the video iPod or iPhone. The software would prevent movies being copied.
One studio executive said the service would "compete against cable companies and anyone else offering VOD into the home".
VOD is a growing revenue stream for cable companies, such as Comcast (NASDAQ:CMCSA) , and satellite operators, such as DirecTV. Online services also offer VOD, including Microsoft's Xbox Live, MovieÂlink and Unbox, a joint venture between Amazon and TiVo.
However, none of these has a customer base as large as Apple.
Sony Pictures Entertainment, 20th Century Fox, Paramount, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Warner Bros and Disney declined to comment. Privately, though, the studios are excited about Apple getting into VOD. "When you think about Apple customers they are so connected to the brand they will try anything to do with it," said one senior studio executive.
Apple aiming to tempt traditional TV viewers
By Aline van Duyn in New York
Wednesday Mar 21 2007 13:50
Millions of video clips are available for viewing free on the internet, through video sharing sites such as YouTube or MySpace and hundreds of other websites.
Yet the appetite for watching traditional television does not appear to be waning. Nielsen, the media research company, released a study this week showing that the average US home now receives a record 104 television channels, eight more than a year ago.
The actual television set itself is also featuring more prominently than ever before: the average US home now has more televisions than people, according to Nielsen, with 2.8 sets compared with 2.5 people.
Connecting the 110m US households that watch television with the hundreds of channels that they increasingly demand is a hugely profitable business for cable and satellite operators, such as Comcast Corp (NASDAQ:CMCSA) , Time Warner Cable and DirecTV.
However, there is a question whether the imminent introduction of Apple TV – potentially the most user-friendly device yet to allow people to set up a wireless connection between their television and computers and watch video content stored on their hard drives – could undermine the business of cable and satellite operators.
"It [Apple TV] isn't the first attempt at solving the 'last 10 foot problem' of connecting the PC to the TV but in light of Apple's track record with music it is likely to be regarded as the most credible," says Douglas Shapiro, analyst at Bank of America.
Yet to have any impact on the business of providing multi-channel television, such online video needs to be a replacement for the services offered by cable and satellite.Operators are increasing choice for the viewing public by making popular programmes available on-demand.
Also, in the US the growing use of digital video recorders means people can easily record favourite programmes and watch them when they want.
Indeed, the focus is on providing more high-definition channels to allow the growing number of people who are investing $500 and more in top-range, flat-panel televisions to watch high-quality content. In contrast, internet videos, such as that on YouTube, are generally of relatively poor quality, and short in duration.
The Apple TV does not offer unlimited access to video on the internet but instead mainly allows users to watch content stored on Apple's iTunes online music and video service. As a result, Mr Shapiro says it is a "supplement to traditional pay-TV: it isn't a threat to cable or satellite within a reasonable investment time horizon".
Indeed, large cable companies such as Comcast have stressed that the growing demand for internet video is good for them, not bad, as it is one of the factors fuelling consumer willingness to pay for faster broadband connections, many of which are provided by cable operators.
For the media and entertainment companies that make movies and television shows, the introduction of Apple TV and other digital outlets is also increasingly being regarded as an opportunity to make more money, not less.
Beth Comstock, president of digital media and market development at NBC Universal, said even a year ago there was a concern that digital distribution would eat into television audiences.
"Growth [of digital businesses] is not at the expense of TV audience," Ms Comstock said. "The internet does not cannibalise our TV audience, a fear we had even a year ago. We find it reinforces and actively builds brands."
Apple's iTunes service is already one of the most popular ways of watching professionally produced video content on computers. Many media groups are licensing their movies and shows to iTunes, and people are paying to download them.
Yet in terms of concrete revenues, these distribution methods are barely significant relative to the large amounts generated from cable and satellite operators and the sale of DVDs.
Ms Comstock herself is charged with ensuring that NBC Universal generates $1bn of digital revenues by 2009. Although significant, even such an ambitious target compares to total revenues last year of more than $16bn.
The real loser of a successful Apple TV launch could be DVD sales and rentals. "Efforts to connect the PC to the TV, particularly Apple's, could eat into the home video rental or DVD sales pie," says Mr Shapiro.
Comcast hails US video-on-demand trials
By Aline van Duyn in New York
Thursday Apr 26 2007 13:56
Comcast (NASDAQ:CMCSA) , the biggest US cable operator, on Thursday reported success in early trials to make movies available through on-demand downloads on the same day as they are released for sale on DVDs.
The trials, which are taking place in Denver and Pittsburgh, include movies from seven studios: NBC Universal, Warner Brothers, Paramount, Disney, Fox, Lions (NYSE:LGF) gate and New Line Cinema.
Comcast said its revenues from pay-per-view movie downloads had grown steadily in the past few quarters. For the first time the company released specific information about this segment, saying that, in the first quarter of the year, pay-per-view revenue was $181m, up 26 per cent on the previous quarter.
"The trials show an increase in purchasing of movies," said Steve Burke, president and chief operating officer at Comcast. He said the service, with movies priced at $3.99, would be extended to at least one other city and could be made available to all of Comcast's customers.
The trials, which started a few months ago, are part of Hollywood's efforts to find new ways to distribute movies digitally.
The profit margins of digital distribution - either through cable companies or the internet - are higher because there are fewer costs but there are concerns that these new methods might eat into other source of profits such as DVD sales or movie sales to television networks.
Although there are efforts to build up distribution of movies online, there are concerns about piracy, which is less worrying when distributing on a closed system like a cable network.
Comcast itself is also moving into online video distribution, recently acquiring movie information site Fandango.com and announcing plans for a site to distribute professionally produced television and movie content on the web.
As well as selling cable television services, Comcast offers high-speed internet connections and telephone connections, and demand for these has soared, especially as Comcast offers broadband speeds which are faster than some telecom offerings.
"Cable is now unmistakably regaining market share [from telecoms rivals] in broadband," said Craig Moffett, analyst at Sanford Bernstein.
Specifically, Comcast, increased its quarterly profits by 80 per cent to $837m (including a one-off $300m gain from the dissolution of a cable partnership), and saw revenues increase by 32 per cent to $$7.39bn.
Source: Financial Times
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#250466 - 06/12/07 01:28 AM
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The fact that scenes are released on DVD first and then VOD is also retarded.
What the studios should do, is allow their new releases to run on VoD for about a month before the title gets released on DVD. That way they can try to advertise the title, and build up some interest in it, before selling physical copies. This could also be a good way to gauge whether a title will do well, or not, and could even save money on replication... if a title does poorly on VoD, you press less copies, and therefore save money on 1,000 pieces of a shitty title that will just end up sitting in the warehouse.
You're both absolutely right...VOD should be viewed as the ultimate R&D tool for producers. Providing that scenes are categorised as accurately and exhaustively as possible (see my previous post in one of the Porn Economics threads), then a producer can get real-time who/what's hot and who/what's not info at their fingertips.
As I've said before, I see the VOD-dominant era being almost completely fan interactive...if 100,000 fans are willing to pony up $10-20 to see the latest reality TV reject or non-hardcore centerfold girl get fucked on screen, then that enables the prospective producer to make them an offer they can't refuse.
I can envisage a business model which nobody has even touched on yet, but I'm not going to give it utterance here...let's just say that tomorrow's porn will be about what/who the paying fan wants to see (i.e., the ones prepared to put their money where their mouth is), not what/who non-paying pirates want to see, or what/who producers and directors think the fans want to see.
My question is: Who is ready to become the Dell of Porn? 
However, that said, I don't quite see the logic in the downturn in DVD sales being due solely to free 30 sec. clips...why is nobody talking about (or, more importantly, doing something about) online piracy? When people can download an entire DVD or the key 'dealmaker' scene (you know...Flavour of the Month starlet's first boy-girl/anal/IR/DP scene!) for free, that's when they don't buy or rent the DVD (or even buy the VOD).
The key line for me in the recent AVN report about DVD sales being in decline was that web porn sales were not expanding at a rate to make up for the decline in DVD porn sales. Does this not strike anyone else as strange? Where have all of these customers gone?
My contention is that these customers haven't gone anywhere, they've just discovered a way to get their porn without paying for it, and they'll continue to do so as long as they're able to. Meanwhile, the adult industry brain trust seems content to fiddle whilst Rome burns, although given recent revelations about AVN and AdBrite/Pirate Bay, is anyone surprised?
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#250467 - 06/12/07 05:15 AM
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If you are a producer, how do you get your content out on VOD? Do you have to make deals with cable companies or satellite operators? Where do you start?
Actually, there are several trusted VoD websites out there that specifically target the VoD audience. Adult DVD Empire, AEBN, Hot Movies, and Gamelink to name a few. Typically, either the site will contact the studio, or vice versa, and the two will draft and sign a licensing agreement for the studio's titles. The studio is then paid a percentage of the total VoD sales.
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While I have not subscribed myself, I believe you can pay to watch a film over a # of days, pay to watch a particular scene and/or pay to watch per minute.
It all depends on the provider you are using.
That's exactly it. Different sites offer different viewing options, and pricing scales, but for the most part, they all offer Streaming, Download, Download to Own, and Pay Per Minute. Each of these media types are encrypted to help deter piracy.
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Although dvd sales are down, I think most companies prefer not to take an unknown risk and ditch dvd, for vod.
They're not going to ditch DVD for VoD, at least not anytime soon, but the studios who choose to ignore VoD are missing a HUGE part of the adult market, and it will definitely catch up to them in the long run.
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Ive noticed that a lot of new and/or amateur companies are doing a lot with vod. I guess this is because they dont have distributors.
That's not entirely true, Homegrown is amateur, and they distribute their own stuff. VoD is cheap, and costs nothing in terms of a physical product or shipping costs. I personally think that newer studios are seeing the impact that VoD is having, and are getting on the boat early. VoD should be the first logical step for any new studio, to earn some revenues, and get their name out there.
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One other thing to remember here. There are still millions of dirty old men who know nothing about the internet, and dont want to learn. There are also millions of men, who dont want any trace of their activities on credit card statements, internet histories, etc. These people will ALWAYS pay cash at a store for their porn. While the VOD and internet sales will slowly increase over the years and the stores and their dvd sales will decrease, both will always remain, neither being eliminated.
This is true. I also believe that both DVD and VOD will be around for a long time. You're always going to have your die-hard collectors, and the older generations who'd rather have the DVD in hand. However, you simply cannot ignore VoD altogether, because you're cutting out half of the market.
This is the computer generation, and the "dirty old men who know nothing about the internet" are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Meanwhile, the "I'm 30+ and want to watch Gag Factor without my wife and 2 kids knowing" demographic is growing exponentially.
There's something to be said for having a virtually limitless, library of adult titles at your fingertips, when it's 3AM and you have your dick in your hand.
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#250468 - 06/12/07 06:54 AM
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Human Garbage
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One additional point. VOD sites can apparently be accesed overseas. So you increase your potential market base from the US/Canada (500M) to US/Canada & EU (1.2B). Ignoring VOD means ignoring the overseas market as well. Once again, porn companies are employing retard economics.
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#250470 - 06/12/07 10:10 AM
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Actually, there are several trusted VoD websites out there that specifically target the VoD audience. Adult DVD Empire, AEBN, Hot Movies, and Gamelink to name a few. Typically, either the site will contact the studio, or vice versa, and the two will draft and sign a licensing agreement for the studio's titles. The studio is then paid a percentage of the total VoD sales.
I see, so you are just talking about internet based VoD - essentially the good old downloading/streaming and jerking off on your computer.
I thought you were also talking about VoD to television sets - which might provide a more dignified way of jerking off.
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#250471 - 06/12/07 10:46 AM
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Actually, there are several trusted VoD websites out there that specifically target the VoD audience. Adult DVD Empire, AEBN, Hot Movies, and Gamelink to name a few. Typically, either the site will contact the studio, or vice versa, and the two will draft and sign a licensing agreement for the studio's titles. The studio is then paid a percentage of the total VoD sales.
I see, so you are just talking about internet based VoD - essentially the good old downloading/streaming and jerking off on your computer.
I thought you were also talking about VoD to television sets - which might provide a more dignified way of jerking off.
Yeah, unfortunately I can only speak for internet-based VoD, not cable or satellite. However, with a mid-range graphics card, you can watch your internet porn right on your TV set.
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#250473 - 06/12/07 11:43 AM
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if i'm not in some state of transit, the smallest display my eyes touch is the 30" apple.
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#250474 - 06/12/07 12:34 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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A more dignified way of jerking off? 
I've decided not to comment any further on this one. I would only get into trouble, no matter how I try to approach this...
Jamesn, you have a 30" HD Apple display? No wonder you can't separate the real world from what is on your computer screen...
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#250475 - 06/13/07 12:49 AM
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The exodus to porn viewing online has been accelerated by more broadband users shunning DVDs and pay-per-view TV in favor of PC screens, says Dennis McAlpine, managing director of media researcher McAlpine Associates. Changes in viewing habits have forced industry heavyweights to dramatically alter how they deliver content, he says. Vivid Entertainment Group, Hustler and Extreme Associates are rushing to offer movies on the Internet before they are available on DVD. Vivid is set to release its first video-only movie in July. And retailers in the shrinking $3.6 billion DVD market, such as HotMovies.com, are beginning to sell video downloads. Hustler runs 15 websites, many recently redesigned, and plans to add more sites with exclusive video and photos, says Michael Klein, president of its Broadcasting, Internet and Video Group. Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of Vivid, one of the world's top adult film producers, predicts DVD sales will largely be replaced by content sold on the Internet. Three years ago, 80% of its revenue came from DVD sales. Now, it's 40%, he says. USA Today
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