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c'mon Jim, haven't you figured out yet that Moxie is a donor/fundraiser to the Rudy campaign - you won't get him to say anything bad about his boy.

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I realize that as a black man you just can't give him credit.

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Rudy refused to deal with Al Sharpton just like he refused to deal with Arafat.

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And why exactly would the mayor of NYC be expected to deal with the head of the PLO?

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The United Nations is in New York.

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The UN was not and will never be under Giuliani's jurisdiction, counselor. While I don't want to hijack the thread any more than I already have, it appears that Rudy was being his typical drama queen self when he pressured Arafat to leave that concert, regardless of what David Horowitz's online rag might say.

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You're absolutely right. He's the mayor of a city doing things that have repercussions that are international in scope. I realize he has a large Israel supporting constituency to pander to, but diplomatic contretemps like that won't get you very far as president.

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Who said the UN or Arafat was under Guilliani's authority? I said he refused to deal with him. You were simply uninformed of Guilliani's dealings with Arafat. A simple google search would have saved you the embarasment.

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BTW- when you quote "The Nation" self-described as "the flagship of the left", your really not in a position to raise the agenda of a source.

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All sorts of people have written for The Nation and the late author of that piece was a lot more distinguished than the obscure crank who authored the article to which you linked. And at the risk of being overly pedantic, what sort of lawyer doesn't know the difference between your and you're?

The Full Rudy: The Man, the Myth, the Mania

Newfield reminds us that in April 1999 Giuliani had only a 40 percent approval rating. A year later his divorce lawyer was savagely attacking his wife, Donna Hanover, while the mayor was flaunting his mistress in public. As a result, Giuliani’s popularity plummeted again in the spring of 2000. He was almost a laughingstock when he withdrew from his Senate campaign against Hillary Clinton. He looked like a control freak who had lost control of himself. Then came 9/11, and Giuliani re-emerged as an international celebrity. He took charge when the towers fell, and he displayed leadership when others were dumbstruck. He was named Time magazine’s "Person of the Year," the avatar of the stricken city. He did a victory lap around the country, raising money for Republican candidates and giving speeches for $100,000 a pop; he may rake in $10 million over the next year. Yet even as he became a part of pop iconography, celebrated as "America’s Mayor," Giuliani was still loathed in some black neighborhoods in the city. People in Brownsville, Texas, might have thought of him as their mayor, but blacks in Brownsville, Brooklyn, did not. In The Full Rudy Newfield gives the devil his due, conceding that New York City did become a better place to live during Giuliani’s two terms. He was skilled at solving problems that lent themselves to the application of a military-style strategy but he was a mayor of excess, a mayor of missed opportunities, political opportunism, and stunning harshness. Photographs and cartoons add to this Emmy award-winning journalist's myth-busting portrait.

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PS - I'm not black, either.

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Mike has done much better than Rudy. Under RG the city had an "us vs. them" feel with Rudy's disdain for blacks.

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And at the risk of being overly pedantic, what sort of lawyer doesn't know the difference between your and you're?

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The kind that posts from a Blackbery.

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He was hated by the liberal elite like the NYT, Al Sharpton and the Democrats.

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FGFM, what exactly is your point?

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All the comparison you need is Rudy convicted Mark Rich and Hillary pardoned him for a campaign donation.

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