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#248690 - 06/01/07 03:13 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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just noticed that the JM Productions header has changed from "Whores Degraded Daily" to "Relax. It's Not Your Daughter." i'll miss the old header. perhaps it should be added to the "XPT Reliquary" thread... okay, carry on.
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#248692 - 06/01/07 03:43 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 05/01/06
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Actually, I hear he's scared to death of Fundo.
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#248693 - 06/01/07 04:25 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
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The Bush Administration: American Freedoms Eroded Daily.
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#248694 - 06/02/07 06:48 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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A plea to JM Productions. Will you ensure that the whores will still be degraded weekly? Even bi-weekly would be nice.
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#248696 - 06/02/07 11:28 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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I like your thinking, Smutmutant! 
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#248699 - 06/03/07 05:47 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I don't exactly see see Hillary announcing that she's going to drop the prosecution of Max Hardcore.
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#248700 - 06/03/07 12:32 PM
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I don't exactly see see Hillary announcing that she's going to drop the prosecution of Max Hardcore.
Of course she won't Announce it. But I do believe she'll instruct her AG to quietly let it die. A Hillary DOJ would be too focused on revenge investigations and prosecutions of Right Wing groups and Leaders to worry about obsceneties cases.
But I hope it's one of the other yahoos the Party's got running that ultimately makes it. I don't like anyone running, in either party, yet her and Rudy piss me off the most. But at least one of the Dingbat Dems would also let it die. Can't say that about the Retarded Republicans.
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#248701 - 06/03/07 12:33 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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She did sign the CDC into law. Then again, she had a Tranny for AG her first two terms.
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#248702 - 06/03/07 12:43 PM
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IIRC, CDC was signed as part of legislative bargaining with an opposition Congress. (I could be wrong about that, though.) My point is that after Whitewater, Monica, Travelgate, Vince Foster and a hundred other partisan investigations of the Clinton White House, Blondie McLezbo will be gunning for everyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi. And she would instrut her DOJ and White House Counsel accordingly.
I'm not against holding the Republicans' feet to the fire per se. THere's many I'd like to see go down, starting with Richard Mellon Scaife. But this culture we have where every 4-8 years the party in power goes on a jihad of partisan prosecutions just ain't good for the country. Unfortunately, it's only going to get worse.
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#248707 - 06/03/07 03:41 PM
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Obama's the "Flava" of the month. He won't get the Democraticic nomination if the powers that be seriously want to win. And if they're really so stupid as to give it to him (and they might be) the electorate will vote Republican no matter how sick of Bush Co. they are. It's not happening. Not in 2008, anyway. In my lifetime, sure. but not untill I'm an old man.
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#248709 - 06/03/07 04:11 PM
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reguardless of who wins next election I think max will fight and win.
It seems like almost a majority of people in porn think Max's product is obscene. If you think he's going to convince a jury or appelate court that pissing, vomiting or fisting a girl made up to look like a 14 year old is not obscene I think your fooling yourself.
Just look at the Venue: The Redneck part of Florida. Max is almost guaranteed to lose at Trial, but this case will not be decided at Trial. It will be decided either in the 11th Circuit Court of appeals (which covers Florida, Georgia and Alabama; not exactly Porn-Friendly territory) or, ultimately, by the US Supreme Court itself. Take one look at the makeup of the high court and ask yourself what Max's chances are there.
Realistically, the only chance, both for Max and for the industry as a whole, is for the Dems to win in '08, and for that winner to let the matter quietly die. If Obama is indeed the party's frontrunner then I'm glad, because historically, the frontrunner this far out in the election cycle never wins the primary. Usually never even comes close. Just ask Paul Tsongas. Oh wait, he's dead, never mind. Or look at Jimmy Carter, someone who came out of nowhere to triumph over the "known" candidates in '76.
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#248710 - 06/03/07 04:17 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I really don't believe the Dems will drop the case. And I don't think there's much of a difference between republicans and dems. In the end they're all whores.
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#248711 - 06/03/07 04:34 PM
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Granted, they're all whores. But there are some whores that have limits, and some that'll do anything for a buck, or a vote. I didn't say it was a good chance, but it it just about his only one.
If it were to happen, the hypothetical Dem Candidate in our scenario would obviously not make Max a campaign issue. Nor would he, his AG, or the DOJ spokesman make an announcement that the prosecution was dropped. Nobody scores political points supporting porn. But I can see it being dropped quietly, without fanfare, the way most dropped prosecutions (whatever the offence) are handled. Federal, State and Local prosecutors do it all the time, usually when a case falls apart, a witness dissappears or recants or some other change in circumstances renders a prosecution untenable. "Just a routine matter," they say, and that's how I envision it would be handled in this scenario.
One thing I guarantee you is that the case would not be dropped if a Republican were to win the election, under any circumstances. So he, and the industry, are better off rolling the dice and hoping that the Dems win.
Interestingly, it seems likely that Max's trial would not start until after November 4, 2008, anyway, so he does have reason to bet on the outcome of the election.
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#248712 - 06/03/07 06:37 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 04/03/07
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Loc: on the dark side of the moon
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just noticed that the JM Productions header has changed from "Whores Degraded Daily" to "Relax. It's Not Your Daughter." i'll miss the old header. perhaps it should be added to the "XPT Reliquary" thread... okay, carry on.
Gigi, you should be grateful that it doesn't say "Trannies degraded daily", or "Relax. She is not a man".
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#248715 - 06/04/07 05:53 AM
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One thing I guarantee you is that the case would not be dropped if a Republican were to win the election, under any circumstances.
I don't see where Ron Paul would have any interest in pursuing this case.
Paul and Edwards are the most decent of the lot from their respective parties. But neither has a snowball's chance in Hell, so I tend to discount them both.
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#248716 - 06/04/07 07:26 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I gave money to Edwards last go around and dissagree on his being decent. He has admitted that in his heart he dissagreed with goign to Iraq and voted in favor of it cause of political calculations. Sorry, but he abandoned his principles on a national security issue. Then again, I believe Rudy is decent and I know you dissagree with that assesment.
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#248717 - 06/04/07 08:11 AM
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Decent is a relative term when it comes to whores, political or otherwise. He certainly beats Hillary.
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#248719 - 06/04/07 10:06 AM
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I think this quote best exemplifies why I think Rudy's a Fascist: Quote:
"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do. You have free speech so I can be heard."
---Rudolph W. Giuliani, March, 1994
Do you really think that this guy isn't going to go after Porn?
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#248720 - 06/04/07 01:37 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 01/19/07
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Do you really think that this guy isn't going to go after Porn? Lawyer and federal prosecutor In 1970, Giuliani joined the Office of the US Attorney. In 1973, he was named Chief of the Narcotics Unit and rose to serve as executive US Attorney. In 1975, Giuliani was recruited to Washington, D.C., where he was named Associate Deputy Attorney General and chief of staff to the Deputy Attorney General, Harold "Ace" Tyler.[19] His first high-profile prosecution was of Congressman Bertram Podell, who was convicted of corruption. From 1977 to 1981, Giuliani practiced law at the Patterson, Belknap, Webb and Tyler law firm, as chief of staff to his previous DC boss, Ace Tyler. Tyler later became critical of Giuliani's turn as a prosecutor, calling his tactics "overkill".[19] In 1981, Giuliani was named Associate Attorney General in the Reagan Administration, placing him in the third-highest position in the Department of Justice. As Associate Attorney General, Giuliani supervised all of the US Attorney Offices' Federal law enforcement agencies, the Department of Corrections, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the United States Marshals Service. In a well-publicized 1982 case, Giuliani testified in defense of the federal government's "detention posture" regarding the internment of over 2,000 Haitian asylum-seekers who had entered the country illegally. The U.S. government disputed the assertion that most of the detainees had fled their country due to political persecution, alleging instead that they were economic migrants. In defense of the government's position, Giuliani stated at one point that political repression under President Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier no longer existed.[20] After meeting personally with Duvalier, Giuliani testifed that "political repression, at least in general, does not exist" in Haiti under Duvalier's regime.[21] In 1983, Giuliani was appointed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. It was in this position that he first gained national prominence by prosecuting numerous high-profile cases, resulting in the convictions of Wall Street figures Ivan Boesky and Michael Milken for insider trading. He also spearheaded the effort to jail drug dealers, combat organized crime, break the web of corruption in government, and prosecute white-collar criminals. He amassed a record of 4,152 convictions with only 25 reversals. Critics disparaged Giuliani, claiming he arranged public arrests of people, then dropped charges for lack of evidence rather than going to trial." Ya know, think your right. He'd dog porn something fierce. 
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#248721 - 06/04/07 02:11 PM
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Tyler later became critical of Giuliani's turn as a prosecutor, calling his tactics "overkill".
Should've lived under him as Mayor.
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Giuliani stated at one point that political repression under President Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier no longer existed.[20] After meeting personally with Duvalier, Giuliani testifed that "political repression, at least in general, does not exist" in Haiti under Duvalier's regime.
And Benito thought Adolf was a very nice man with a funny mustache.
By the way, it is a matter of historical record that neither Mussolini nor Giuliani made the trains run on time.
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#248723 - 06/04/07 06:36 PM
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Registered: 06/02/07
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Porn isn't in danger. Good porn isn't obscene by community standards. Pissing on, beating, degrading women--that's obscene by community standards. Most people would agree. Those are the rules. Porn should abide by them. It's just a business and not worth going to jail over. The fact is that porners make extreme content to make money, and accept the risks.
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#248724 - 06/04/07 08:34 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 04/03/07
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Porn isn't in danger. Good porn isn't obscene by community standards. Pissing on, beating, degrading women--that's obscene by community standards. Most people would agree. Those are the rules. Porn should abide by them. It's just a business and not worth going to jail over. The fact is that porners make extreme content to make money, and accept the risks.
I'm glad that with Fundo a representative of the Department of Justice has finally joined the ranks of xpt in an attempt to explain us the actions and intentions of the Department of Justice as well as the rules by which the porn industry shall henceforth abide. Welcome Fundo. I find your words very reassuring and strangely comforting. So, you are saying, the good Jews are not in trouble, right?
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#248725 - 06/05/07 02:29 AM
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Porn Jesus
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All I know is that it was a sad, sad day to see that banner gone. So, instead I made one for my living room.
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#248726 - 06/05/07 05:42 AM
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Registered: 07/09/06
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All I know is that it was a sad, sad day to see that banner gone. So, instead I made one for my living room.
What, no pic?
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#248729 - 06/05/07 12:11 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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Rudy was US Attorney for the Eastern District of NY and Mayor of NY each for nearly a decade, yet i can't recall even a single prosecution for obscenity under his watch.
Not quite porn and not quite a prosecution, but you get the idea.
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In 1999, the city-funded Brooklyn Museum of Art came under fire when it exhibited a Chris Ofili painting of the Virgin Mary that featured sexually explicit cutouts covered with elephant dung. The Catholic Church, as well as New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, were outraged. Giuliani denounced the exhibit as morally offensive and threatened to cut off funding to the museum and terminate its lease if it did not cancel the exhibit that included Ofili’s painting. The city followed through and withheld the museum’s rent payment for October and filed a state lawsuit to get the lease revoked.
As a countermeasure, the museum filed a suit in federal court against the city claiming violations of the first ammendment, and seeking a permanent injunction against the city to keep it from withholding funds. U.S. District Judge Nina Gershon, sided with the museum, and granted them a preliminary injunction. The city was also ordered to resume the museum's funding, and to stop any eviction proceedings.
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#248730 - 06/05/07 12:29 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I stand corrected. 1 time in 20 years.
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#248731 - 06/05/07 12:48 PM
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Any politician, no matter how genuine or altruistic their motives when taking office, will ultimately become corrupted by the power they hold, lobbyists, pressure groups, multi-nationals with interests in their voting areas.... it's inevitable and it never changes.
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#248732 - 06/05/07 01:47 PM
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#248733 - 06/05/07 02:04 PM
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Porn Jesus
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[hijack]The Brooklyn Museum of Art has a GREAT permanent display of Egyptian artifacts. And, my grandfather's old fruit & vegetable store was just a block away from there ...[/hijack]
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#248734 - 06/05/07 02:49 PM
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Not quite porn and not quite a prosecution, but you get the idea.
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In 1999, the city-funded Brooklyn Museum of Art came under fire when it exhibited a Chris Ofili painting of the Virgin Mary that featured sexually explicit cutouts covered with elephant dung. The Catholic Church, as well as New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, were outraged. Giuliani denounced the exhibit as morally offensive and threatened to cut off funding to the museum and terminate its lease if it did not cancel the exhibit that included Ofili’s painting. The city followed through and withheld the museum’s rent payment for October and filed a state lawsuit to get the lease revoked.
As a countermeasure, the museum filed a suit in federal court against the city claiming violations of the first ammendment, and seeking a permanent injunction against the city to keep it from withholding funds. U.S. District Judge Nina Gershon, sided with the museum, and granted them a preliminary injunction. The city was also ordered to resume the museum's funding, and to stop any eviction proceedings.
The Brooklyn museum is a perfect example of what Rudy would do to the adult industry. Good Catholic that he is (despite his three marriages --one to his cousin-- his support for Gays, Abortion Rights and the Death Penalty) He always manages to get his ire up when his good buddy Bill Donohough tells him that something is obscene or violates the teachings of the church.
Still it's the bit about Freedom being about ceedeing rights unto Authority that really scares me. Because it won't stop with Porn or other lawful activity that resides on the outskirts of polite society. There are those who believe that America has become a Police State under Bush. I personally wouldn't go that far, although it has become more authoritarian. But if they think it's bad now, wait until Rudy takes over. Then you'll see the Fourth Reich in action.
The irony is that Rudy is probably the most sincere of all the candidates. He truly believes in thes Freedom/Authority nonsense. He truly believes he can be a Good Catholic while believing in abortion rights. And he truly believes he's never, never, never done one wrong thing. It's always the True Believers that are the most dangerous.
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#248735 - 06/05/07 02:52 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Jim, despite Rudy's finding things obscene he's never conveened a criminal prosecution about it. Civil cases, yes. regulatory actions, yes. Rezoning, yes. Sending someone to jail, no.
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#248736 - 06/05/07 02:56 PM
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As Mayor, he didn't have authority to initiate criminal proceedings under New York State's Penal Code or under NYCRR. As Presidedent, he'd have Title 18 and a Host of Administrative Regulations to play with. I smell a Rat, Moxie, and he's got a bad combover. Or at least he used to, when he had something to comb over.
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#248738 - 06/05/07 04:27 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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c'mon Jim, haven't you figured out yet that Moxie is a donor/fundraiser to the Rudy campaign - you won't get him to say anything bad about his boy.
By the way Moxie, do you ever spontaneously turn to your corrupt co-worker and say "thank God George Bush is our president."
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Without really thinking, based on just emotion, spontaneous, I grabbed the arm of then-Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, and I said to him, "Bernie, thank God George Bush is our president."
I say it again tonight. I say it again tonight:
Thank God that George Bush is our president, and thank God that Dick Cheney, a man with his experience and his knowledge and his strength and his background, is our vice president.
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That's the kind of vision and honesty people should want, no, DEMAND from their president!
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Perhaps he can run for lying, pandering douchebag in 2008?
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#248739 - 06/05/07 04:53 PM
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Human Garbage
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I'll gladly admit I drink Koolaide for Rudy. But if he's got problems I'll admit them. If he's not the candidate I'll probably vote for a democrat not named Hillary. So mI'm no Neocon.
Did you expect him to say, "Bush is a Moron, we're fucked" while we were under attack? Tell me which candidate hasn't been a little phony? As for Lying, Rudy convicted Mark Rich, Hillary pardoned him for a campaign donation. Who you gonna trust?
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#248740 - 06/05/07 05:14 PM
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c'mon Jim, haven't you figured out yet that Moxie is a donor/fundraiser to the Rudy campaign - you won't get him to say anything bad about his boy.
Actually, Soopergrizz, No matter how much I Despise and Fear Rudy, I can't hold it against any New Yorker for drinking the Kool Aid. At least the guy admits it.
I know several people who used to hate Rudy as much as I do. Then came 9/11, and they swollowed it hook, line and sinker.
Am I dissappointed by it? Sure, it pisses me off no end. But I do understand it, no matter how misguided it is. Plenty of ordinary Germans, moderates and liberals included, flocked to Hitler during the World depression of the early thirties. Millions more got on board when he started building roads and bridges in order to provide work for the unemployed (The WPA did the same in the US.) Still more got on board when he began rearmnement, and re-took the Rhineland.
People always flock to a strongman, often despite thier better judgement. There is nothing new under the sun.
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#248741 - 06/05/07 05:21 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Jim, was NY better off under Rudy? Di the the city improve tremendously under Rudy's watch?
PS- drop the gratuitous Nazi refferences. Its hard to have a legitimate discussion when you drop into the gutter like that. Now help us get Fatman, Luke and Luca into the oven.
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#248742 - 06/05/07 06:30 PM
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Moxie, I call 'em like I see them. If Rudy wins, he's going to have everyone Goosestepping down Broadway and Pennsylvania Avenue.
Perhaps "Fascist" is a better term than "Nazi;" to his credit, I've never seen Rudy display any antipathy towards the Jews. Blacks are another story.
Is the city better off after Rudy? Chronologically, yes. But that's the result of forces he had nothing to do with: The improved economy under Clinton, the Drop in crime that began under Ray Kelly in the last year of Dinkens' term, continued precipitously under Bill Bratton & Jack Maple, then slowed down after Rudy sacked them in a fit of ego. Truth is, Rudy takes credit for a logt of things he had nothing to do with. To be fair, all politicians do the same. But I'd be hard pressed to point to one initiative that was Rudy's all on his own that really made New York a better place.
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#248743 - 06/05/07 07:04 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Jim I think your being dellusional about Rudy. He came into office and said he was going to lower crime, improve the economy, revitalize the city and reform govenment and all those things happened. Next your going to tell me the 4 championships were not his doing either. Fact is he got stuff done.
I realize that as a black man you just can't give him credit. But seeing how he extended righya to gays he's as far from a fachist as you can get.
Interesting that you give Clinton credit for The economy which had little to do with government. More interesting that you forget to mention that Rudy was a Clinton allie on the crime bill. Yeah. He's just a real neocon
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#248744 - 06/05/07 07:13 PM
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I realize that as a black man you just can't give him credit.
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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020617/newfield/2
In 1993 Giuliani had run on the positive slogan "One Standard, One City." But in practice he treated the black community by a different standard. He actually argued that by ignoring New York's elected black leadership, he had been able "to accomplish more for the black community." He defended his boycott of black leaders by claiming that most of them have "a philosophy of dependence" that keeps their constituents "enslaved." On another occasion he argued that it wasn't productive to "engage in dialogue" with "political leaders that pander." But he had no trouble at all engaging in dialogue with white Republican leaders who could pander with the best of them.
Moderate black leaders like State Comptroller H. Carl McCall say they had only one or two meetings with Giuliani during his eight years in office, and those were only "for show" after the Diallo shooting, with no follow-up. McCall told me that Giuliani ignored his requests for a meeting for five years. Respected Queens Congressman Gregory Meeks says he didn't have a single meeting or even phone conversation with Giuliani in eight years.
The volatile combination of the questionable police shootings of Dorismond and Diallo, plus the police precinct torture of Haitian immigrant Abner Louima, plus the brutal blitz of insults of Dorismond by the Mayor, plus the absence of any channel of communication between City Hall and the black community, all help explain why under Giuliani blacks felt that New York was a city with a double standard.
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#248745 - 06/05/07 07:37 PM
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Rudy refused to deal with Al Sharpton just like he refused to deal with Arafat. Each a teeoriat in their own way.he did he did go overboard with the antipathy, but his policies reduced crime in black nienorgoods more than anywhere else.
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#248747 - 06/05/07 08:08 PM
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Rudy refused to deal with Al Sharpton just like he refused to deal with Arafat.
Interestingly enough, that article mentioned neither Sharpton nor Arafat. And why exactly would the mayor of NYC be expected to deal with the head of the PLO? Did you send in a matchbook cover for your JD or something?
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#248750 - 06/05/07 09:06 PM
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The United Nations is in New York.
The UN was not and will never be under Giuliani's jurisdiction, counselor. While I don't want to hijack the thread any more than I already have, it appears that Rudy was being his typical drama queen self when he pressured Arafat to leave that concert, regardless of what David Horowitz's online rag might say.
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#248752 - 06/05/07 09:16 PM
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Who said the UN or Arafat was under Guilliani's authority? I said he refused to deal with him. You were simply uninformed of Guilliani's dealings with Arafat. A simple google search would have saved you the embarasment.
BTW- when you quote "The Nation" self-described as "the flagship of the left", your really not in a position to raise the agenda of a source.
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#248754 - 06/05/07 09:59 PM
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Umm, Moxie? I'm as white as you are. Probably whiter, since most of my ancestors came to New York long before there was an Ellis Island. Or a Castle Clinton, for that matter.
So Rudy refused to deal with Al Sharpton? Big Deal. Any self respecting person, of any race, should refuse to treat with that man, especially back then before he found his "respectability."
Of course Dinkins delt with him, but I said self-respecting. David Dinkins was the worst serial panderer in the City's History. And yes, before you say it, the City was better off under Rudy than under Dinkins, but honestly, I think you could have put Wankus in Gracie Mansion and have had a better run city than under Dinkins. So that's no real accomplishment.
As for Arafat: Same thing. Shunning that Terrorist scum was no real accomplishment. It was simply the right thing to do.
As for the squeegee men and the Homeless, that's really more Bratton and Maple implementing the Broken Windows theory rather than anything done by Rudy. Busting those guys on vagerancy and other low level charges is what kept them off the streets. Not some far-reaching policy by Rudy.
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#248755 - 06/06/07 07:16 AM
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Mike has done much better than Rudy. Under RG the city had an "us vs. them" feel with Rudy's disdain for blacks.
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#248756 - 06/06/07 04:06 PM
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Who said the UN or Arafat was under Guilliani's authority? I said he refused to deal with him. You were simply uninformed of Guilliani's dealings with Arafat. A simple google search would have saved you the embarasment.
While I appreciate your concern, The Ghoul didn't have to deal with Arafat; he forced a confrontation by having Arafat pressured out of an event. Nice spelling, BTW.
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BTW- when you quote "The Nation" self-described as "the flagship of the left", your really not in a position to raise the agenda of a source.
All sorts of people have written for The Nation and the late author of that piece was a lot more distinguished than the obscure crank who authored the article to which you linked. And at the risk of being overly pedantic, what sort of lawyer doesn't know the difference between your and you're?
The Full Rudy: The Man, the Myth, the Mania
Newfield reminds us that in April 1999 Giuliani had only a 40 percent approval rating. A year later his divorce lawyer was savagely attacking his wife, Donna Hanover, while the mayor was flaunting his mistress in public. As a result, Giuliani’s popularity plummeted again in the spring of 2000. He was almost a laughingstock when he withdrew from his Senate campaign against Hillary Clinton. He looked like a control freak who had lost control of himself. Then came 9/11, and Giuliani re-emerged as an international celebrity. He took charge when the towers fell, and he displayed leadership when others were dumbstruck. He was named Time magazine’s "Person of the Year," the avatar of the stricken city. He did a victory lap around the country, raising money for Republican candidates and giving speeches for $100,000 a pop; he may rake in $10 million over the next year. Yet even as he became a part of pop iconography, celebrated as "America’s Mayor," Giuliani was still loathed in some black neighborhoods in the city. People in Brownsville, Texas, might have thought of him as their mayor, but blacks in Brownsville, Brooklyn, did not. In The Full Rudy Newfield gives the devil his due, conceding that New York City did become a better place to live during Giuliani’s two terms. He was skilled at solving problems that lent themselves to the application of a military-style strategy but he was a mayor of excess, a mayor of missed opportunities, political opportunism, and stunning harshness. Photographs and cartoons add to this Emmy award-winning journalist's myth-busting portrait.
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#248757 - 06/06/07 04:12 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Mike has done much better than Rudy. Under RG the city had an "us vs. them" feel with Rudy's disdain for blacks.
Another one of those left-wing rags backs you up, Fatman!
Village Voice
Blacks on Bloomberg
Leaders Offer a Surprising Mix of Praise and Put-Down
by Michael Anstendig & Wayne Barrett
December 3 - 9, 2003
"The jihad is over," says Councilman Phil Reed. "It was nasty for so long. You now have an administration you can dialogue with," smiles Queens assemblyman Jeffrion Aubry. "After Giuliani, anybody is a breath of fresh air," contends Congressman Charlie Rangel. "The animated enmity is not there," concludes Reverend Al Sharpton. Even Councilman Charles Barron, the most strident black critic in City Hall, concedes, "Bloomberg has a way with people that's disarming."
A Voice survey of 19 black leaders—including 13 elected officials—uncovered a unanimous sense of relief about the first two years of the Bloomberg era, a post-Giuliani consensus that the racial tone of the city has at least minimally improved.
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#248759 - 06/06/07 04:38 PM
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FGFM, what exactly is your point? Are you saying that Rudy was not universally loved. He wasn't. He was hated by the liberal elite like the NYT, Al Sharpton and the Democrats. By the end of his second term he had fought with alot of groups and it wore on people. The fact remeains that he accomplished a great deal and when he was faced with a crisis, he performed admirably. All the comparison you need is Rudy convicted Mark Rich and Hillary pardoned him for a campaign donation.
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#248760 - 06/06/07 05:34 PM
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He was hated by the liberal elite like the NYT, Al Sharpton and the Democrats.
I am by no means a member of the "Liberal Elite," Read several papers including the New York Times, The Washington Post, The NY Daily News and The NY Post (hardly a bastion of liberalism.) Plus whatever obscure local papers I can find online from time to time. Plus I despise Al Sharpton and seriously wonder how you can rank him among the "Elite." And while nominally a Democrat due to family and community influence, I have voted for Republicans in the past, where they've been more qualified...
And I STILL Hate Rudy. As do the majority of my friends, who could easily fit the above description of myself. And the preponderance of moderates I know, too. The fact is, the 9/11 afterglow is wearing off, and people are starting to remember the abuses under his reign as Burgomeister, er, um, Mayor.
And what's with the Times bashing? I thought you read it as much as me? You sure quoted extensively in the other thread.
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#248761 - 06/06/07 09:13 PM
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Rudy did many good things, and he didn't try to gain concensus to do it. He did a GREAT job during 9/11 and didn't hide in a hole like "you know who". But, he is a very mean spirited person and defines you as an enemy if you happen not to be on his side. Luckily for me when I was involved in government during his regime, I happened to be on the same side as him.
Mike has done more and brought people to his side along the way. Even after the bitter debacle of Jets' Stadium on the west side, their were no lingering hostilities and the "enemies for life" that Rudy left in his wake.
I am very disappointed that last night Rudy endorsed pardoning Libby & lauded the relavance of the "jet fuel" terrorist plot crap that Mike blasted. Very disappointed.
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#248762 - 06/07/07 05:46 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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FGFM, what exactly is your point?
That I'm dealing with a contard who thinks in cliches and throws out red herrings? While stunned observers might wonder what all this has to do with porn, the guy who wrote that piece for David Horowitz does have a connection!
lukeford.net
I spent 90-minutes on the phone Thursday with Jason Maoz, editor of The Jewish Press, for my book Yesterday's News Tomorrow: Inside American Jewish Journalism....
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All the comparison you need is Rudy convicted Mark Rich and Hillary pardoned him for a campaign donation.
Yeah, he's a real stand up guy. Not only was he associated with the mobbed-up Bernard Kerik, he tried to soft-peddle Scooter Libby's conviction for obstruction of justice and perjury during the latest GOP debate claiming that a crime was not committed. Some hard-nosed prosecutor!
GIULIANI: I think the sentence was way out of line. I mean, the sentence was grossly excessive in a situation in which, at the beginning, the prosecutor knew who the leak was…
BLITZER: So, yes or no, would you pardon him?
GIULIANI: … and he knew a crime wasn’t committed.
I recommended over a thousand pardons to President Reagan when I was associate attorney general. I would see if it fit the criteria for pardon. I’d wait for the appeal.
I think what the judge did today argues more in favor of a pardon because…
BLITZER: Thank you.
GIULIANI: … this is excessive punishment.
BLITZER: All right.
GIULIANI: When you consider — I’ve prosecuted 5,000 cases.
BLITZER: I’m trying to get a yes or no.
(LAUGHTER)
GIULIANI: Well, this is a very important issue. This is a very, very important — a man’s life is at stake. And the reality is, this is an incomprehensible situation.
They knew who the leak was.
ROMNEY: Hey, Wolf, can I explain…
GIULIANI: And ultimately, there was no underlying crime involved.
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#248763 - 06/07/07 06:34 AM
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Where waa he for Martha Stewart??
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