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#248587 - 06/01/07 08:06 AM
If Max Harcore goes down
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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Who will be next?
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#248588 - 06/01/07 08:08 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 12/18/06
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My guess is Jeff, sorry to say it but thats who they already are going after, the bastards
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#248589 - 06/01/07 08:08 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 3812
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everyone else, one by one.
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#248590 - 06/01/07 08:13 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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It's a rather precarious situation. This ball could keep rolling for a long time.
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#248591 - 06/01/07 08:14 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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I really don't like Max's movies, but I'm gonna go out and buy a couple this afternoon to show my support for him.
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#248595 - 06/01/07 09:02 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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Cut one and we all bleed. Regardless of whether you like what Max, Mike or Rob do, to the wider world "pornography" is "pornography" regardless of who makes it and whether they use condoms and flashy intros or FX.
Just because you use pastel colors and condoms doesn't mean the FBI and DoJ won't kick your door in and drag you off to court if they're told to. We're looking at the absolute tip of the iceberg here, and it can only get worse. And it will get worse so long as certain porn producers feel they're better than others or more 'worthy'.
The DoJ will not discriminate between 'good' porn and 'bad' porn, and we have to get that into some people's thick skulls.
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#248598 - 06/01/07 09:53 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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They will not stop until only Vivid is left. A pornopoly, if you will.
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#248601 - 06/01/07 10:10 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 02/23/05
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They will not stop until only Vivid is left. A pornopoly, if you will.
The LA City prosecutor who brought the earlier charges against Max (and Seymour Butts), has said in interviews with PBS that she considers Vivid's product to be illegal:
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Do you think Vivid, Wicked, VCA, and Larry Flynt's organization have anything to fear from you and the feds? Or are these guys too big and too mainstream now?
... I believe I may have seen some video productions from Vivid, so maybe. ...
Community Standards?
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But do you get the sense at all when you're making one of these prosecutions that the community is behind you?
No, I don't really know if the community is behind me. I just have to do it based on what we believe the community will accept. And that comes from just talking to people. That comes really from the officers. The detectives have talked to people.
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Why are you after them?
Because of the selling of the material that is really beyond what the community will tolerate. And I think somebody has to stand up for the community, in a sense. I have to at least allow them to see [that] this is what's going on. "Do you think that this is acceptable to your community?" And if a jury tells me "Yes," then so be it. If they tell me "No," then let's see where that really goes.
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#248603 - 06/01/07 10:18 AM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
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Loc: St. Louis
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Agreed, what bothers me the most is this is not about enforcing what the majority of Americans want, The problem is, this assault is not really intended to to use the judicial system as it was meant, "to find someone ethically and legally responsible by a jury of his peers" instead, it's an age old concept of tying someone up in court for so long that they can't afford (monetary wise) to defend their right, thereby forcing them to relinquish their position, not by right and conviction but by callous misuse of of an unfortunate after effect of our system, Money talks!
Bingo! The DoJ doesn't give a shit about justice. It cares only about winning and bleeding their victims dry is the surest way to win.
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#248604 - 06/01/07 10:24 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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I'm still going with my gut on this one. Max will walk.
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#248607 - 06/01/07 12:32 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/15/07
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Community Standards?
(from the same interview)
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But do you get the sense at all when you're making one of these prosecutions that the community is behind you?
No, I don't really know if the community is behind me. I just have to do it based on what we believe the community will accept. And that comes from just talking to people. That comes really from the officers. The detectives have talked to people.
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Why are you after them?
Because of the selling of the material that is really beyond what the community will tolerate. And I think somebody has to stand up for the community, in a sense. I have to at least allow them to see [that] this is what's going on. "Do you think that this is acceptable to your community?" And if a jury tells me "Yes," then so be it. If they tell me "No," then let's see where that really goes.
Excuse me, living on a different continent I have to ask this question. Is "what we believe the community wants", based on "what officers hear from people", really a solid foundation for legal action by law enforcement authorities in the U.S.? Amazing... Unbelievable... 
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#248610 - 06/01/07 01:39 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 06/05/05
Posts: 4468
Loc: Great America
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Max comittedd suicide with his movies, IF he knows how inquisitor are Bush administration so that it did it?
why he make makes films that obvious would be target of the government? that was fuck himself i think
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#248611 - 06/01/07 02:23 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
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i have no interest in doing the legwork, but during that mid/late 90's period where porn=vivid&wicked stuff that was pretty tame, had plots, etc. were there any obscenity charges brought against the major players in that era? we're talking strictly pre-gonzo stuff that would be considered essentially "couples porn" today.
the glammed-out bolt-on blonde feature shit made it into hotel rooms everywhere and every major cable service and i don't remember the government going ballistic with charges and lawyers resisting adult shit spreading through shit it controls and regulates.
all i remember is a bunch of stuff like the cda and attempts to restrict minors from purchasing the shit.
i'm sure there were some silly charges against stores selling buttplugs in the south or some dudes making or selling scat and fisting shit, but between the meese shit and the rise of gonzo, max and rob zicari there seemed to be an era of uneasy acceptance between porn/gov't.
i don't by any means think anyone should be incarcerated for making porn where nobody dies or gets raped, but let's face it-max puts out shit that's just a dare for the federales to come after him. everybody knows more or less what's going to get you charged, and the guy's been hammering away and flirting with it constantly. i hope he wins his case, but if porn stayed vivid/wicked/dp the government would be stuck trying to prosecute material indistinguishable from what they've already prosecuted in the past. "pirates" WILL be considered SIGNIFIGANTLY less-offensive than sexually-violent shit with actresses made up to look like children to any community save for british merchant sailors who hate pirates.
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#248612 - 06/01/07 02:52 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/18/03
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i have no interest in doing the legwork, but during that mid/late 90's period where porn=vivid&wicked stuff that was pretty tame, had plots, etc. were there any obscenity charges brought against the major players in that era? we're talking strictly pre-gonzo stuff that would be considered essentially "couples porn" today.
There was a rash of busts during the Reagan administration. People who made "couples films" went to prison. When I first started in the industry the feds raided like 10 companies all at once. I worked at Intropics and we closed our doors and went to Chilies for beers.
It's our government and the lame asses that think it's the product and not the government that are the real problems here.
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#248614 - 06/01/07 04:08 PM
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Porn Jesus
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the reagan admin was the meese stuff, i'm talking about a different time period
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#248617 - 06/01/07 04:29 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/07
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This is really a no win situation from my point of view. I do not like the government poking its nose into everyone's personal business but I also do like to see people being idiots and get away with it. Shipping european versions of porn movies through Florida is the business side equivalent of barebacking a trannie in Brazil. Someone should have reminded Max that this is the same state that prosecuted 2 Live Crew and Jim Morrison on obscenity charges.
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#248618 - 06/01/07 05:05 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/18/03
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Shipping european versions of porn movies through Florida is the business side equivalent of barebacking a trannie in Brazil.
Here is the funny part. Max did not ship those titles to Florida. He sold them to someone else who shipped them there but not max, he does not ship anything himself.
And a side note: back in the day with all the busts Vivid was one who took some kind of a deal and the main guy at VCA spent time in prison for a gay film.
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#248619 - 06/01/07 05:38 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 07/30/06
Posts: 1712
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Question.
If Max is found guilty, could people who have signed up for his website and/or bought his movies from the place that shipped them out end up being in trouble for anything?
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#248620 - 06/01/07 05:40 PM
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Porn Jesus
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clinton signed the cda. the other online one for kids too. both more dangerous to the 1st/free speech than this.
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#248622 - 06/01/07 05:59 PM
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Porn Jesus
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probably. still, it was a bipartisan bill iirc and illustrative of the fact brick and mortar pornographers got a free pass for half a decade in many ways because the internet was new and scary and that's where attention and resources went. of course rupert murdoch's more likely to get anyone's kids raped than every pornographer put together after the smoke cleared and megan's law met myspace.
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#248624 - 06/01/07 06:27 PM
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Demon Spawn
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#248625 - 06/01/07 08:55 PM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
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I'm kinda hoping that this does drive the pornographers outta business myself....that means all those poor whores out there will be hooking at a discount as they scramble to make a living.
They could just move operations.
Prague and Buda-pest are just beautiful!! And, living in Pest is still very inexpensive. And, the reach of Bush's "inquisition" doesn't extend into the EU.
From conversations I had while there, I found that one of the rare beneficial by-products of Communism - beside the extensive public transportations system - those people aren't very religious. Though the Christian right is trying to gain ground there as well .....
Moving overseas is no solution. The government will not be able to touch the producers, so they'll go after the distributors, retailers and domestic internet sites.
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#248626 - 06/01/07 09:08 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 05/06/05
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His movies make me want to cry and throw up at the same time, but I support Max 100%.
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#248628 - 06/02/07 01:34 AM
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Porn Jesus
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#248630 - 06/02/07 07:00 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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To play devil's advocate and assume the worst for a minute. Max goes down, all his assets are seized and sold under the proceeds of buggery law. How much would the yellow couch go for at a police auction?
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#248635 - 06/02/07 11:46 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/02/07
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if max hardcore goes down?
a SUBSTANTIAL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION MIGHT CARE
like at least 23 thousand really dedicated perverts how will the doj fight the epic tide of public suppport????
im thinking, a country divided, how will we all survive this national controversy..
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