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#248568 - 06/01/07 06:23 AM An Open Letter To TMFR
Sister Fister Offline
AC Cream Wannabe

Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 549
Loc: Pittsburgh Pa
Dear TMFR, and Luke Ford Staff,
First off we all know the only staff you have Taylor is Fayner and he probably doesn’t even give a shit about Max, but knows you will kick him out of your house if he doesn’t agree with you. So pretty much your are congratulating Max Hardcore for going to jail and that does not only weaken the whole porn industry but also shows the industry as a whole will not stand together to support anything. Not to mention isn’t that kind of biting the hand that feeds you…you gargled Max’s piss once or twice correct? You don’t seem to understand the freedom’s we are granted here in the states. If you think what Max does it perverted then don’t fucking watch it, There is no need to be a whiney little cunt and be all happy about him going to jail. You don’t seem to realize that this effects everyone in the industry. There is a little thing called freedom of speech at stake here and you know what without max hardcore you wouldn’t be anywhere or even have a well paying job. You would probably be living with some thug getting slapped for straying out of line. These girls know what they are getting themselves into, and if they don’t then they are too fucking retarded for not asking the right questions about the shoot, and not reading what ever they were sighing. You seem to lose sight of one very important thing here…when you start censoring one genera of movies that is only going to lead to more and more censoring until porn is as illegal as your precious drugs. Everything is ok…or nothing is ok to do in porn. You cannot have it both ways, get your head out of your ass. And stand up for your industry. ‘Cuz pretty soon you’ll be back to flipping burgers bitch…

Peeter O’Tool…
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#248569 - 06/01/07 06:56 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 1681
I gues Max's piss left a bad taste in her mouth. And please tell me where this dumb whore was flipping burgers, so I never eat there by accident.
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#248571 - 06/01/07 07:22 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
Sister Fister Offline
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Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 549
Loc: Pittsburgh Pa
hey asshole I am not saying I am going to follow Max I am just saying that when the government starts telling us what it is ok to do and not ok to do when it does not harm another human being who is not willing then it infrindges on our rights as americans and that only hurts us all...
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#248572 - 06/01/07 07:31 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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Registered: 10/30/06
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Loc: Neither here, nor there.
I think Max himself said it best....

"They want to take away my home, my business, and my liberty for making fictional movies with consenting adults. All
Americans, whether they watch adult material or not, can rely upon our vigorous defense in this case, fighting for the rights of all adults to view material they so choose."

SOURCE

A-fucking-men.
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#248573 - 06/01/07 08:48 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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#248574 - 06/01/07 08:50 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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Ata boy, Grizz!
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#248575 - 06/01/07 09:45 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
Soopergrizz Offline
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Registered: 02/23/05
Posts: 3724
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Once again my congratulations to Mr. Hardcore for convincing the porno industry that their interests rise and fall with his thereby ensuring that they follow him like a puppy dog.







The irony is that Max should not need to convince the industry that their interests rise and fall with his, since that is indisputably the case.

Prosecutions against Max are the thin edge of the wedge. Assuming you know some law, you will know that it is better to make your test case someone further out on the margins of whatever industry the gov't is seeking to prosecute. If successful, the 2d round of prosecutions will be significantly more broad.

If the US gov't wants to shut down the entire industry (which they do) then the logical first step is Max. The 2d step will be JM, the third will be everyone else.

The latest charges are the third set levelled against Max. In 1998 The LA County charged him with production of child pornography - most charges were dismissed in light of the decision in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (feel free to read it, counselor).

Although all the charges under the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 were dismissed, LA persisted in trying Max on distribution of obscene material, which did go to trial, resulting in a hung jury (6-6 split). See AVN interview with Max and his counsel

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"Even after the first evenly-split jury rejected the city's attempt at criminalizing sexual speech, the city still hung onto its pointless crusade, " Douglas continued. "Though the City Attorney Rockard J. Delgadillo's office wouldn't even negotiate with me, no one could or would explain why the prosecutors were refusing to be reasonable despite the fact that the prosecution was, according to testimony from the first trial, admittedly based upon one sentence in the entire movie.

"The prosecution was malicious. The initial three-count complaint, all based on that one line, was one of the most irresponsible charging documents I have ever seen. Because of the spinelessness of the judiciary, it took over a year to get one baseless count dismissed, another year to get the second count thrown out, and now finally we got what our offer was on the very first day. This is what we offered the prosecution on the very first day."






Here's an interview with the prosecutor of that case from PBS' Frontline: Clicky
Quote:

Do you think Vivid, Wicked, VCA, and Larry Flynt's organization have anything to fear from you and the feds? Or are these guys too big and too mainstream now?

... I believe I may have seen some video productions from Vivid, so maybe. But I don't think that they're going to put that out there, the kinds of things that we're seeing. As far as the city is concerned, if it stays away from those general categories, we won't prosecute. They won't be seeing us.






It is no coincidence that Max's counsel, Jeff Douglas, is also board chair of the Free Speech Coalition - an industry funded organization. Clicky

I think that your naivete notwithstanding, the industry needs to treat this very seriously, and, in fact, it is.


Edited by soopergrizz (06/01/07 09:50 AM)
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#248576 - 06/01/07 09:49 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
Sister Fister Offline
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Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 549
Loc: Pittsburgh Pa
Thank you griz I was beginning to think i was fuckign crazy
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#248577 - 06/01/07 10:27 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
Uomo Grassissimo!! Offline
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Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
Nicely done, SG.

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#248579 - 06/01/07 10:51 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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Registered: 02/23/05
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Quote:

Max's work as has been described by others here looks like a textbook example of material that will fail the Miller v. California Test. 413 U.S. 15 (1973)






And yet, LA City prosecutors failed to get a conviction against Max on exactly that basis. Source



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#248580 - 06/01/07 11:10 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 1557
Loc: New York
Quote:

Quote:

Max's work as has been described by others here looks like a textbook example of material that will fail the Miller v. California Test. 413 U.S. 15 (1973)






And yet, LA City prosecutors failed to get a conviction against Max on exactly that basis. Source




I think Paperchase is correct in that the DOJ has found some of the most vile material to try and make new precedent with and then that precedent will be used against the others. Its going to end on appeal in 5-10 years with John Roberts, Scalia and Clarence Thomas (heh heh) watching Max Hardcore piss in some girls mouth. That material may persuade even the most liberal members of the court to affirm an obscenity conviction, rather than say "its consenting adults making filth for consenting adults."

People have warned the adult community to censor itself before the government did. No one listened and now when the next generation of obscenity law comes down, it will be based on Max Hardcore films.
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#248581 - 06/01/07 11:29 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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AC Cream Wannabe

Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 549
Loc: Pittsburgh Pa
its pretty shitty when mods spam the board with an alt id its not really funny anymore...
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#248582 - 06/01/07 11:35 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
Eminence Front Offline
Internet Tough Guy

Registered: 07/14/06
Posts: 775
Loc: Hollywood, CA
Quote:

People have warned the adult community to censor itself before the government did. No one listened and now when the next generation of obscenity law comes down, it will be based on Max Hardcore films.




Censorship should never be static, to be encapsulated in a time where only "these things.." are accetable and {so with,} regardless of the growth (so be advancement or decline) of our society; they should be ever present and enforceable with prejudice, is just another form of puritanical law.

The appetite of the American public for sexual gratification and exploration by testing the boundaries of our freedoms is our right and duty, in this day and age, where even Sodomy is against the law in some states, is just arcane and unacceptable.
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#248584 - 06/01/07 11:59 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
Moxie Offline
Human Garbage

Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 1557
Loc: New York
Quote:

Quote:

People have warned the adult community to censor itself before the government did. No one listened and now when the next generation of obscenity law comes down, it will be based on Max Hardcore films.




Censorship should never be static, to be encapsulated in a time where only "these things.." are accetable and {so with,} regardless of the growth (so be advancement or decline) of our society; they should be ever present and enforceable with prejudice, is just another form of puritanical law.

The appetite of the American public for sexual gratification and exploration by testing the boundaries of our freedoms is our right and duty, in this day and age, where even Sodomy is against the law in some states, is just arcane and unacceptable.




If your trying to say that the law should be "consenting adults are free to make material to be viewed by consenting adults" then I agree with you. But its not. I hope Max wins, I'm just pointing out that it not like this wasn't predicted.
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#248585 - 06/02/07 02:09 AM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
vanessa Offline
Internet Tough Guy

Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 786
Loc: on the dark side of the moon
You have to love wishy-washy terms such as "community standards". What is a community? Is it the building you live in? Is it your gym? Is it the city you live in? Is it the gay community? Is it the Jewish community? Is it xpt? Is it the Korean community? Is it the state you live in? Utah? New York? Kansas? Hawaii?

How could we possibly agree on a standard if a) community cannot be defined, b) membership to a community cannot be defined and c) there is no system in place to determine what the standards would be even if we had defined a community.

But of course, this is just theory anyway. THEY want to impose THEIR standards on the rest of us. It's not enough for them to know that they don't have to watch Max Hardcore. THEY are on a mission. We have to become like THEM. Because only THEY know right from wrong and THEY will make us do the right thing.

Luckily, if there is one thing that most Americans really don't like, it's to be told what to do.

"Self-censorship" is like cutting off your penis despite your nose.


(...only I'm allowed to say that.)

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#248586 - 06/03/07 04:08 PM Re: An Open Letter To TMFR
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AC Cream Wannabe

Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 451
Loc: Houston
Quote:

Once again my congratulations to Mr. Hardcore for convincing the porno industry that their interests rise and fall with his thereby ensuring that they follow him like a puppy dog.



They need not "follow" him in order to see that their own long term interests are protected should the axe fall the wrong way. If the government cannot secure a conviction in Florida using Max Hardcore's greatest Euro-hits, they are far less likely to secure such a conviction in mainstream America with the latest Vivid offering. Helping Max is like buying insurance or hiring an attorney when under investigation; you'd rather keep your money but realize that there are times when you can be penny wise and pound foolish. This is one of those times.

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In Brockett v. Spokane Arcades Inc, 472 U.S. 491 (1985) prurient is material which has a tendency to excite lustful thoughts but excludes "materials which "excite lustful thoughts" but "provoke only normal healthy sexual desires."




I'm not a fan of the content Max produces so the biggest obstacle for me would be proving that his stuff excited me in the slightest, never mind produced lustful thoughts. Under cross examination, I doubt anyone would keep a straight face (no offense Vanessa) when that question came up...
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