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#248281 - 05/31/07 12:43 PM
Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Internet Tough Guy
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#248282 - 05/31/07 12:48 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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Yet they allow obscene freaks of nature like you walk around freely. What is this world coming to?
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#248284 - 05/31/07 01:30 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I've wondered a few times before how Gonzo fares under obscenity standard as opposed to features.
The first test under the obscenity standard is that an adult movie is not obscene unless it appeals solely to a "prurient interest". In other words, does it have any other purpose besides masterbation. Features passed the test, becuase they had story lines. If you pass the first test then you go on to the "community obscenity test".
Fast forward to today's Gonzo product. What's missing? Story lines. What's left, nothing but sexual titillation.
Does much of modern Gonzo fail the first prong of the obscenity test--as there is no reason to watch most Gonzo films other than to jerk off.
The funny thing is that Extreme and a few other companies worked some political or anti-religious message into their films. For example, "Forced Entry" can be viewed as a commentary on Richard Ramirez. So the government would still need to prove Extreme violated community standards.
There is alot of porn out there with no story and wall to wall sex. Quick, what's any Jules Jordan film about? "Max Hardcore"? I could go on, but you get the point.
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#248285 - 05/31/07 01:33 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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This is bullshit. I'm not a big fan of Max, but have no problem with him. Is he obscene? Absolutely? Does he exploit the sexuality of children? Absolutely not. What Max does is exploit a fetish, which is no more illegal than the accepted fetish of infantilism.
Love him or hate him, Max Hardcore is not a pedophile. He just plays one on TV. Leave the fucker alone.
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#248286 - 05/31/07 01:34 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 01/19/04
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Please remember Max in your prayers.
Who else produces and distributes that kind of pissing material?
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#248290 - 05/31/07 02:51 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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Max has got the green to fight it. Just proves that the fuckers will come for you any route they can. Be interesting to see if this one gets thrown out or not.
Good luck, Max. Just because I don't like your porn doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to make it and sell it.
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#248293 - 05/31/07 04:21 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Good luck, Max. Just because I don't like your porn doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to make it and sell it.
I think this sums up the situation well
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#248294 - 05/31/07 04:30 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 07/30/06
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You know, with the MPAA has been toying around with the idea of giving movies that portray smoking in a glamorous light(which, I suppose means if the smoker doesn't die of cancer by the end of the flick) R-ratings and the numerous "no smoking in public at all" laws passed and trying to be passed, I think I know why they are going after Max. Girls are sometimes showed <gasp> smoking in his flicks. Fist fucking and pissing might have been obscene in the DoJ's eyes, but I have a feeling the Anti-Smoking Fascists in power may have had a hand in this one also.
Seriously, though, Good luck to Max with this(Jeff and Rob too, even though Rob's porn does kinda suck). You guys look like you'll need it.
and kudos for standing up to the bastards instead of pussying out like the dude who made that fisting video with Chloe and Alisha Klass.
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#248295 - 05/31/07 06:18 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Paperchase, add another $500K and you'll be in the ballpark. Trials are expensive, two month trials are more expensive. The US Attorneys have a knack for dragging things out. I don't think Max will have the same attorney come trial or at least he won't be working alone. A former US Attorney will be brought on to the team. I don't have any inside info, its just the way things happen. They should already be preparing for the appeal. I would think they have already started pleading with Gene Volokh to come on as an appelate advisor. If the government sets a precedent, Max will have company.
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#248296 - 05/31/07 06:33 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
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Kick their asses, Max.
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#248297 - 05/31/07 06:42 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 02/18/07
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why in the hell would you host a website like Max's in the US????? There are so many ISPs in europe that can host it.
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#248299 - 05/31/07 07:07 PM
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Porn Icon
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Assuming your figures are correct and we divide up the cost as $500,000 for legal fees and say $100,000 for expenses that would put us in the neighborhood of 1400 hours of billable time. Why do you think it would be a two month trial Paperchase?
Talking to yourself? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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#248300 - 05/31/07 07:17 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
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#248301 - 05/31/07 07:25 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Having seen too many AUSA's in action. Don't forget, they're going for civil seizure, so there will be evidence and testimony on each and every piece of property in which seizure is sought and linking that proeperty to the so called criminal enterprise. Of course my experience is in NY, but I have no reason to think the FLA boys and girls would be much different. Ask Rob black how long he's been fighting the feds. I also think $350 an hour is pretty low for an attorney in LA.
Edit: Just saw Mike South's comment on LIB and he agree's with $500K.
Edited by Moxie (05/31/07 07:33 PM)
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#248304 - 05/31/07 07:56 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Civil Forfeiture is being sought to obtain possesion of Max's home, business and websites. Thus the forfeiture would be part of the merits. But even if that were not the case, the DOJ would find some way to drag it it. Its just in their nature. Thats just what i've seen. Nuff said.
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#248311 - 06/01/07 12:18 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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why in the hell would you host a website like Max's in the US????? There are so many ISPs in europe that can host it.
Because Max is a patriotic American who doesn't want his dollars going overseas to some third world sweatshop ISP, that's why! 
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#248312 - 06/01/07 06:04 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
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Does anyone have an accurate figure for how much money the Association of Yellow Couch Manufacturers of America (TM) is willing to put into Max's defense fund?
I'm hoping for more than just a trickle.
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#248313 - 06/01/07 06:47 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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Max will beat this one. And when he does he will claim his victory by making porn of an even more vile nature than he had before. It is his right.
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#248315 - 06/01/07 07:00 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Fucking Master
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Max will beat this one. And when he does he will claim his victory by making porn of an even more vile nature than he had before. It is his right.
Is it possible for him to be more vile then he already is?
yes.
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#248321 - 06/03/07 06:10 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
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This really has no point other then to bankrupt Max in a court fight
Yes, or at very least cost him dearly. They'll trot out "experts" on all kinds of things that sound good to ill informed jurors and villify him. Dragging it out is only part of the strategy though, his billable legal hours will cost him a sweet chunk of cash but it will also keep him from having as much time/energy from making more movies. The idea is that you cut the defendant from both ends, impacting his livelihood while heavily draining his financial resources. Max has gone on record in the past as saying his sales go through the roof when he gets into legal tangles so perhaps he'll show them again why such prosecutions only serve to make his movies more popular.
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Nice job of wasting Tax payers dollars to appease the bible thumpers!
It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions. In the interrim, various laws attacking the industry (Houston's SOB ordinance comes to mind) have surfaced, equally or even more supported by the so-called "friends" of porn (the democrats). The mayor of Houston and his predecessor served on Clinton's Cabinet, both pushing the SOB laws in the city pretty heavy yet since this doesn't fit the scheme of AVN and other industry news sources, you may not have heard about it (the panel of judges issuing a stay included 2 GOP appointees and 1 democratic appointee=do the math).
Max makes offensive entertainment material using consenting adults that are paid a premium for their participation. If someone was illegally assaulted on one of his sets in the past (as in "unstaged" by the way), by all means feel free to charge him with the crime. Without some reasonable standard of what constitutes "obscene", charging him with that seems a direct contradiction to the intentions of our founding fathers. Granted, they would have probably found a tree and a good sturdy rope for Max but...
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#248322 - 06/03/07 10:36 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Internet Tough Guy
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It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions.
Not true.
Los Angeles Times
A Justice Department spokesman said the prosecution was an outgrowth of a government anti-obscenity initiative started in 2001 under former U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft.
"Whenever a new administration comes in, it has to make a decision on what resources to put where," Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said. "And one of the things they took a look at in 2001 was to investigate and prosecute these types of crime because of the expansion of the Internet."
The Bush administration has significantly increased the number of pornography prosecutions in recent years, according to the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, a data-gathering and research organization associated with Syracuse University.
Though the federal prosecution of white-collar crimes, gun offenses and police brutality cases is down nationwide, the number of pornography prosecutions has grown from 500 to 700 a year between 1999 and 2001, to 1,300 to 1,400 annually over the last three years, said David Burnham, co-director of the clearinghouse."
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#248323 - 06/03/07 12:05 PM
Indictment and DOJ News Release
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Porn Fucking Master
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Justice Department News release Source Producer Paul Little Indicted on Obscenity Charges WASHINGTON – A Hollywood director and producer, along with an entertainment company, have been indicted on obscenity charges, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney James R. Klindt for the Middle District of Florida announced today. The 10-count indictment returned May 17, 2007, in Tampa and unsealed yesterday charges Paul F. Little, a/k/a Max Hardcore, 50, of Altadena, Calif., and MaxWorld Entertainment Inc., with five counts of transporting obscene matter by use of an interactive computer service and five counts of mailing obscene matter. Little is a nationally-known director, producer and star of films featuring acts such as anal penetration, urination, insertion of an entire hand into a vagina or anus, vomiting, and severe violence towards the female performers participating in the acts. The indictment alleges that Little, through MaxWorld Entertainment, Inc., distributed films that met the U.S. Supreme Court’s standards for obscenity through the U.S. mail to an address located in the Middle District of Florida. The defendants are also charged with transmitting over the Internet through their Web site five obscene video clips which were promotional trailers of the full-length feature films available through MaxWorld Entertainment Inc. Little surrendered to authorities yesterday in the Central District of California. His arraignment is scheduled for July 12 at U.S. District Court in the Middle District of Florida. The government is seeking forfeiture of the obscene films charged in the indictment, all gross profits from the distribution of the films, and all property used to facilitate the charged obscenity crimes, including Little’s residence in Altadena, Calif., and the Internet domain names maxhardcore.com, pissedonpornstars.com, and catalinaxxx.com. Investigators with the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted the investigation of this case. The case is being prosecuted by trial attorneys with the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the Criminal Division, with the assistance of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida. An indictment is only a charge and is not evidence of guilt. A defendant is entitled to a fair trial in which it will be the government’s burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Copy of the indictment from The Smoking Gun
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#248327 - 06/05/07 11:11 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Fine, so get lulled into thinking there will be no prosecution for porn for 4 years and then someone worse will eventually come along and prosecute you anyway.
There are republican who will prosecute porn. There are democrats that will prosecute porn. Practically everyone will prosecute porn. Hillary might be the worst of all with her feminazi freinds.
Its not the politicians, its the ambiguous definition of obscenity that is the problem. if the law was no urine, I doubt anyone would make urination films. So, pornographers push the limits until someone gets prosecuted, thats the way the system works.
The Max Hardcore prosecution could end up with a ruling that obscenity jurisprudence is obscelete in the age of the internet. Or, you could get a ruling that lack of a story line = prurient interest and all gonzo is illegal. Or you could get a ruling that pissing is over the line and no one will do pissing movies anymore. As long as the law is ambiguous and pornographers push the limits, then the question is going to come to a head at some point.
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#248328 - 06/05/07 11:47 AM
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Porn Jesus
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It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions.
Your way off my friend. In the last 7 years (Republican) there have been 5 indictments handed down to mainstream porno companies while the 8 years the Dem. had control there was zero. If you vote Republican you vote to kill freedom. 
Savanna Samson votes for kill the freedom............fucking stupid whore!
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#248330 - 06/05/07 11:58 AM
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Porn Jesus
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It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions.
Your way off my friend. In the last 7 years (Republican) there have been 5 indictments handed down to mainstream porno companies while the 8 years the Dem. had control there was zero. If you vote Republican you vote to kill freedom.
Savanna Samson votes for kill the freedom............fucking stupid whore!
Rudy never brought a single obscenity case despite nearly two decades as prosecutor and mayor.
but when the moral groups(republican voters) start to push him, the wichthunt began
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#248331 - 06/05/07 12:30 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Rudy doesn't get pushed. He's usually the one who does the pushing. But you can apply your logic to any politician.
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#248332 - 06/05/07 01:06 PM
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Rudy never brought a single obscenity case despite nearly two decades as prosecutor and mayor.
(whistles)
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V119/N55/museum_55.55w.html
In another First Amendment setback for Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, a federal judge Monday ordered him to stop withholding city money from the Brooklyn Museum of Art and to end an eviction proceeding he began over the controversial exhibit “Sensation.â€
U.S. District Court Judge Nina Gershon concluded that the mayor had violated the museum’s First Amendment rights by trying to punish it for exhibiting works he deemed “sick,†“disgusting†and thus unworthy of city funding.
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The Giuliani administration has lost more than 15 court cases involving the First Amendment, with issues ranging from the rights of city workers to speak in public to denial of permits for demonstrations.
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#248334 - 06/05/07 03:52 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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By the way, those would be civil cases, not prosecutuions. Rudy never tried to send anyone to jail for making movies, painting or anything else.
Whew, that's a relief!
http://www.counterpunch.org/rudyart.html
...here's an editorial outburst from the Daily News at the start of this year: "The city is still plagued by 142 pornographic video stores, topless bars and other X-rated businesses - 73 in Manhattan, 42 in Queens, 14 in Brooklyn, nine in the Bronx and four on Staten Island. In the past two years, the Giuliani administration has padlocked dozens of porn shops and dragged their owners into court. But once there, tenacious smutlords and their lawyers have been able to find enough wiggle room in the city's zoning rules to stay in business and continue blighting neighborhoods."
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#248335 - 06/05/07 05:42 PM
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...here's an editorial outburst from the Daily News at the start of this year: "The city is still plagued by 142 pornographic video stores, topless bars and other X-rated businesses - 73 in Manhattan, 42 in Queens, 14 in Brooklyn, nine in the Bronx and four on Staten Island. In the past two years, the Giuliani administration has padlocked dozens of porn shops and dragged their owners into court. But once there, tenacious smutlords and their lawyers have been able to find enough wiggle room in the city's zoning rules to stay in business and continue blighting neighborhoods."
FGFM raises a good point. What does it matter to the industry or the fans whether the authorities proceed civilly or criminally (other than to those who might actually do time.) The net effect is the same: Production Companies, distributors and retailers will be shut down either way. Yes, it would mean that Max (certainly), Jeff and others (potentially) wouldn't have to worry about incarceration. But their livelyhoods would be destroyed, fans left without content and the First Amendment smeared with Rudy's (or another Polwhore's) excrement. These are the stakes.
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#248336 - 06/05/07 05:51 PM
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Isn't that what you lawyer types call "chilling effect?"
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#248337 - 06/05/07 05:59 PM
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Human Garbage
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Other than doing time? Yeah, thats the big point. Face it, government is always going to try and limit porn, until the courts tell them they can't. When the government proceeds in civil court, they give the adult industry a chance to respond in court, before a judge/ jury. If no one is being threatened with losing their freedom, its just a business decision.
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#248338 - 06/05/07 06:09 PM
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Isn't that what you lawyer types call "chilling effect?"
The first such ruling is said to have "a chilling effect." It is also said to start "the slide down the slippery slope."
My point though is that there would be no difference to the industry or the fans, for all intents and purposes, if the war against pornography were to be waged in a civil or a criminal nature, apart from the expected incarcerration of Max and others under a criminal prosecution. Both would have the "chilling effect" of shutting down the industry and depriving folks of thier incomes, or their content. Beyond being a modern witchhunt, it's nothing short of a war against the First Amendment. Unfortunately, too many "Mainstreamers" don't see it. I'm reminded the words of Lutheran Pastor Martin Niemöller, a special target of the Nazis:
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First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Whether we are willing to acknoledge it or not, These are the stakes.
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#248339 - 06/05/07 06:18 PM
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When the government proceeds in civil court, they give the adult industry a chance to respond in court, before a judge/ jury. If no one is being threatened with losing their freedom, its just a business decision.
I believe Max is also facing a Judge and Jury, albeit one that is sure to convict him given the venue.
But Moxie, this is more than "a business decision. This is part of an all-out Assault on the Bill of Rights, and anyone who believes otherwise has their head in the sand as much as Pastor Niemöller. The people who cherish Freedom have to make a stand for Freedom. As Edmund Burke said "The only thing necessary for the triumph of wicked men is for good men to do nothing."
I loathe Max's product. I think it's only good for torturing Islamic prisoners in the War on Terror. But he has the absolute right to make it, his fans have the absolute right to watch and possess it and the Government has no business trying to regulate it beyond ensuring that all performers are over 18.
If people don't stand up for their rights now, by the time they notice what's been happening, it will be too late. These are the stakes.
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#248340 - 06/05/07 06:48 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Jim lovely speech about government not having the right to regulate obscenity. Too bad the supreme court sees it differently. I find Maxs argument that he hires consenting adults to perform for consenting adults persuasive. I'd have no orblem if the court found that in the age of internet and DVD that government regulation of obscenity is no longer warrented.
Now back to the original point of whether republicans or democrats are more likely to prosecute obscenity.my point Was simply that you have to look at the candidate and not make generalizations.
If the industry is in jeopardy because of Max, its mostly Maxs fault. Its like he was begging to be indicted.
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#248341 - 06/05/07 07:53 PM
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A real Republican believes in minimal government and keeping the government's nose out of it's citizens private business. Whereas traditionally it has been the Democrats that believe that people are to stupid to know what is best for them and that government should be involved as much as possible in their lives. Seeing how the federal deficit has grown like Michael Jackson's schlong at Disneyland under Bush's administration is proof that he is not a true Republican. The most important thing to notice about todays neocon are those last three letters. The Bush administration is not focusing on porn prosecutions because they are Republicans they are focusing on them because they are morons. What is a higher priority today given the world we live in, prosecuting porn or developing a system to track who is entering our country and why? Yet which one does Bush have a boner over and which one has he stuck his thumb up his ass for six years over. I would bet my left nut that any of the Democrat candidates elected would proecute porn more than Ron Paul would.
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#248342 - 06/05/07 09:42 PM
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Moxie, you may scoff and call it Rhetoric, but the fact remains that the Battle for the First Amendment begins with a prematurely aged, alchoholic pervert named Paul Little. It's not just Porn that's at stake here, but our most basic Liberties themselves. Again, those who ignore this are burying their heads in the sand.
Did Max ask for it? Yeah, he did. But if it wasn't Max, it would have been Jeff or anyone else on the edge. Those who push the boundaries are inevitably the targets of reactionaries. Ask Gallileo, Thomas More, Socrates or any of Ten Thousand people whose works posed a challange to Conventional Wisdom or Taste.
As for which party would be more likely to criminally prosecute Porn producers, well, you said it yourself: Look at the candidates. Name me one Republican who would kill US v. Paul Little. I can't think of one of them that would. I can easilly see any of the Dems doing it, quietly, as I've noted elsewhere.
Perv, you might be right that there's a greater likelyhood of a Dem prosecuting Porn than Ron Paul, but the simple fact is that Ron Paul is not going to win the nomination, let alone the Presidency. So I'm trying to focus on those who have a chance. And among these, it's the Dems that are less likely, by far, to prosecute Pornographers than any of the (realistic) Republican candidates.
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#248345 - 06/08/07 06:11 PM
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It's a holdover from the WPA and the New Deal. I honestly don't have much of a problem with funding art. The pennies they spend on it are a pittance compared to some of the things they waste money on, like corporate bailouts and subsidies to fat cats. But you're right, they should set one standard. All or nothing.
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#248348 - 06/10/07 09:53 AM
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If Max has to go to court maybe he could try crying. It seemed to work wonders for Paris!
Ben... 
This is Max we're talking about here. Can you honestly picture him crying like some stuck up spoiled rich cunt? Jesus, I wonder about you.
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#248350 - 06/11/07 03:38 PM
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Sadly, if convicted, I see Max as the one who's mascara will be running after a series of "gag factor" like BJs and facials as the convicts take turns reenacting their favorite scenes ....
Honestly, Fatman, if Max cries about anything at all, it will be the fact that he'll be deprived of booze.
Until, that is, he learns how to make his own Prison Hooch.
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#248352 - 06/12/07 02:00 PM
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Someone should have a tattoo made of this.
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#248356 - 06/12/07 02:19 PM
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Dude: Why delete the yellow couch, the blonde in a cowboy hat & the link to Max pix on eBay?
I moved it to the cage. Sorry dudes. 
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#248357 - 06/13/07 06:37 PM
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dude is 50
he has fucked more ass than a politician
at this point max has more money then he'll ever be able to spend
why doesn't he take a fucking hint and retire already
or move his operation to europe where he would never get fucked with
i mean after the last false indictment you would think that Max would pack up and head to Holland
but at this point he is trapped in their[bullshit] game
My humble prediction is that this case will go to the supreme court of FL and Max will win,The ACLU will have to get involved etc.
Those mail fraud charges scare me though...we'll see
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#248358 - 06/13/07 07:00 PM
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My humble prediction is that this case will go to the supreme court of FL and Max will win,The ACLU will have to get involved etc.
Those mail fraud charges scare me though...we'll see
Max is going to be tried in Federal Court (Middle District of Florida.) The case will never go to the Florida Supreme Court. Instead it will first go to a 3-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, where he will likely lose again. From there, he can either request that the case be heard en banc (meaning before the full panel of judges) or he can proceed to the US Supreme Court (assuming that the Court agrees to hear the case, which they likely would, if only to establish/re-affirm precident.) At that point, assuming the Court has the same make up as it does now, it will basically come down to Justice Kennedy, the lone swing vote since Sandra Day O'Connor retired. I haven't had time in recent weeks to review Justice Kennedy's prior decisions, so I can't say with any certainty how that would go. Basically, it's a toss up.
As for going to Europe, what no one has yet suggested on this board is the "Roman Polanski" scenario: Go to Trial, lose; Appeal, Lose; THEN flee to Europe. Makes sense to me.
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