Sorry, Elab, your just plain wrong about Rudy's record as Mayor. When he took over from David Dinkins, the city was in the crapper. High crime, poor economy, no redevlopment, everything falling apart. What he did with the city is eerily similar to the way Reagan turned the country around after the Carter malaise.

If you want to make an honest point, you can suggest that the acheivments were due to Bill Bratton, Sunny Mindel and others, rather than his vision. To suggest that Guilliani did not do a good job as mayor is asinine and ill informed. That may fly on Daily Kos, but its just not reality.

Guilliani was hated when he left office....by Al Sharpton and the NY Times. He has always had a take no prisoners approach which gets results, but eventually rubs people the wrong way. Patrick Fitzgerald is like that too. It was rudy's time to go, but when their was a leadership vacuum, he filled it.

The fact of the matter is that if Guilliani gets the nomination, he peels off several Northeast states, some starting with the letter "N" that democrats can't afford to lose. His big negative is his fidelity issues. I don't think Hillary want's to make marriage issues the core of the campaign