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#244597 - 05/15/07 10:20 PM
How did LA Direct get US citizenship for...
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 02/18/07
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Natalie Heck aka Savannah Gold. Natalie Heck is a UK porn star and has been in the States hooking for Pamela Peaks for the last month. Maybe I should call INS and FBI about this. http://www.ladirectmodels.com/girl.php?girl=Savanah%20Gold
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#244598 - 05/15/07 10:55 PM
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Porn Jesus
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They probably hired an immigration lawyer. That's what most people do with problem cases. It works fairly well.
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#244599 - 05/15/07 11:03 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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They probably hired an immigration lawyer. That's what most people do with problem cases. It works fairly well.
Sorry you can't hire an immigration lawyer to get a green card or US citizenship within a month. Per 2257 requires you need to be a US citizen or permanent alien with a social security card.
You can't get a work visa for porn or prostitution.
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#244602 - 05/15/07 11:18 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Per 2257 requires you need to be a US citizen or permanent alien with a social security card.
You can't get a work visa for porn or prostitution.
And how do you know she doesn't already have citizenship or permanent residency?
What's your problem here? I don't see anything to get excited about.
Because she is a citizen and resident of the UK. She's visiting here from the UK. What's my problem? Derek pimps his girls on private shows, traffick girls into the US and continues to get away with it.
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#244603 - 05/15/07 11:19 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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So what, fuckwhore. Don't be a snitch.
So he can continue strong-arming others in the industry and pimp his girls on privates and traffick girls into the country?
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#244604 - 05/15/07 11:29 PM
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I just looked through 18 USC 2257 and the regulations made pursuant thereto under C.F.R. Part 75 and I can't find anything that says "you need to be a US citizen or permanent alien with a social security card." If I'm missing something, please let me know.
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#244605 - 05/15/07 11:31 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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What's my problem? Derek pimps his girls on private shows, traffick girls into the US and continues to get away with it.
How is that your problem? 
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#244607 - 05/15/07 11:32 PM
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What's my problem? Derek pimps his girls on private shows, traffick girls into the US and continues to get away with it.
How is that your problem?
I think he's running a rival operation.
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#244608 - 05/16/07 12:00 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Per 2257 requires you need to be a US citizen or permanent alien with a social security card.
You can't get a work visa for porn or prostitution.
And how do you know she doesn't already have citizenship or permanent residency?
What's your problem here? I don't see anything to get excited about.
Because she is a citizen and resident of the UK. She's visiting here from the UK. What's my problem? Derek pimps his girls on private shows, traffick girls into the US and continues to get away with it.
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#244609 - 05/16/07 12:00 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
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I'm trying to decide if it's Brandon Iron again - he was the last one to act like he had a strap-on up his butt over "illegal alien whores" - this at the time he was dating Melissa Lauren.
If she was born in the US then she has US citizenship, even if she's never been here since then. Living and working overseas has nothing to do with US citizenship.
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#244610 - 05/16/07 12:14 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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So what, fuckwhore. Don't be a snitch.
So he can continue strong-arming others in the industry and pimp his girls on privates and traffick girls into the country?
Dude it's porn, get over it. If Derek didn't do it some other jerk off would. What's your beef with LA Direct? There are far worst companies doing the same thing at least the girls at LA Direct get paid.
The pimp hand is stedy in this one you call Derek.
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#244612 - 05/16/07 02:05 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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Firstly, I'm pretty sure Natalie Heck/Savannah Gold is not a prior US Citizen (unlike, say, Renee Richards, who has an American father and maintains dual citizenship). Secondly, and more importantly, is the fact that there are a number of parties back in the UK that would like to catch up with Ms. Heck. As I understand it, she violated her exclusive contract with Bluebird, and there is legal action pending (I believe this may also have precipitated her name change...she had just won BGAFD's 'Performer of the Year' award as Natalie Heck, so why ditch the momentum and name recognition she had already built?). I have also had a number of sources confirm to me that she allegedly attacked fellow UK porn starlet Antonia Stokes with a bottle, cutting her head open. I believe there are also criminal charges stemming from this incident. So you can see why it would make sense for her to go to America and stay there as long as possible, and if she can get US Citizenship (by hook or crook), then all the better. Getting on to Derek/LADirect...I have no love for the man, (in fact, quite the opposite, as he is a Spurs fan  ), but the simple fact of the matter is put up or shut up, bitches. His competitors need to look at their own agencies and see what they can do better. Maybe he is as much of an arsehole as people say, but that doesn't stop people booking through him. I think, as Christian points out, it's all about the way he does his business, because I don't think LA Direct's current roster is much to write home about (90% of the standout girls are already under contract of some sort), and a producer could quite easily get by just booking talent from the myriad other agencies out there...but the overwhelming fact is that by and large they don't. Frankly, the UK 'industry' could do with a Derek Hay-type over here... 
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#244613 - 05/16/07 03:28 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 02/18/07
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I am not a competitor with Derek. But let's keep the playing field level for all and keep activities legal. If I am a snitch then let it be so. In capitalism, there are some that succeed by breaking the rules but in the end they all get brought down. Look at corporate America the last several years.
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#244614 - 05/16/07 03:32 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Although I am not a direct competitor with Derek, someone that is should turn his ass in. Or better, a director/producer for what he has done to the market. Like Christian said, Derek singlehandedly raised the rates for girls across the board. Including girls that don't deserve those rates but in an industry always looking for fresh meat producers pay it.
As sales diminish, talent rates continue to rise disproportionately to sales. Derek is no different then the UAW. While helping the talent, he hurts the rest of the industry with his other hand.
Now let's cut off both his hands and see where the industry ends up. I think for the better. Rates for girls will lower and producers will make a tiny profit to continue booking this girls so they won't have to turn to hooking because less and less producers can afford to shoot them. This is a win-win for talent and producers.
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#244615 - 05/16/07 04:07 AM
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Whoremaster
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Although I am not a direct competitor with Derek, someone that is should turn his ass in. Or better, a director/producer for what he has done to the market. Like Christian said, Derek singlehandedly raised the rates for girls across the board. Including girls that don't deserve those rates but in an industry always looking for fresh meat producers pay it.
'Deserve' is neither here nor there...if producers feel a girl is worth her asking price, they'll pay it, if they don't, then they won't.
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As sales diminish, talent rates continue to rise disproportionately to sales. Derek is no different then the UAW. While helping the talent, he hurts the rest of the industry with his other hand.
This is the point I have been making in the 'Porn Economics part 3' thread. By having standardised, across the board rates, some girls will invariably be underpaid, some will invariably be overpaid. If producers start to embrace VOD/Pay Per Scene technology, then they'll get a much clearer picture of who sells and who doesn't, and alter individual rates/offers accordingly...thus weeding out the coattail riders. Joe Actor doesn't get the same amount of money as Tom Cruise, and there's a reason for that...because the Cruiser brings in more money than Joe Actor. I don't see why this shouldn't be the same in porn.
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Now let's cut off both his hands and see where the industry ends up. I think for the better. Rates for girls will lower and producers will make a tiny profit to continue booking this girls so they won't have to turn to hooking because less and less producers can afford to shoot them. This is a win-win for talent and producers.
Personally, I'm all for higher talent rates...the cream of the crop should be rewarded accordingly. See my Aria Giovanni example in the Porn Economics thread and tell me if it's better that she should make something like $2 million off of 20 or so scenes rather than $20,000.
If top of the line girls start making that sort of money, I think you'll see the overall quality of talent coming in to the biz shoot way up. And that can only be a good thing for everybody...
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#244616 - 05/16/07 06:24 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I have a number of problems with this post. First of all, the agent doesn't go to jail for 2257 violations. The producer does.
Second, no one knows what the requirements are or whether they were complied with. I don't know immigration law, but I immagine that if you ask for a work visa for modeling they don't ask if you will be sucking cock. Adult entertainment is. A legal business. Denying a work visa to an adult performer raises first amendment questions.
But the big problem I have is suggesting that people in the industry be turned in. This is the second time this poster has accused someone of breaking the law with no proof.
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#244618 - 05/16/07 07:07 AM
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Porn Jesus
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i've raised some very similar questions to fuckwhore about visas in general and if the INS ever wanted to bag some of these chicks they easily could.
pre-911 when i was in college i spent a summer as a paralegal at my friend's dad's immigration firm and i'm familiar enough with the ways to get a non-resident employment authorization to call bullshit. and this is based on pre-9/11 procedure.
first-the ins is slow.
second-there are really only a few foolproof ways to get one of the visas that allows you to work more than a handful of months and to get one you want to be one of the following OR their spouse of child:
-an employer saying you're going to be working for them for the entire duration and they couldn't find an american with the skills to do your job.
-to be enrolled as a post-secondary student with proof of it.
-you're internationally a person of note in the sciences, academia, entertainment or athletics. we want you in america if you've got a nobel or you're david beckham.
-you're a religious worker
-you're a refugee from a recognized-area
-you're a longshoreman or certain kind of agricultural-worker.
the other thing is the PREVAILING WAGE-the INS doesn't want people hiring non-residents because they can pay them half of what they could find an american to do. so you need to figure out what the job title of the applicant is and make sure the salary is within x-percent of the wage-data for it. is there wage-data for pornstars?
listen, i'm sure there IS a way to get a visa for a pornstar.
it wouldn't be cheap though and it'd require a rather burdensome amount of work collecting the stuff to even apply.
and the INS moved SLOW. we'd send an H1B to their notheast office in VT overnight then forget about it for over a month before they'd even raise questions about it.
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#244619 - 05/16/07 07:16 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 02/17/05
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Jamesn is right about how INS works.
To comply with 2257, a producer needs to check for either a US-issued ID (including state-issued) or a foreign passport with work clearance. It doesn't take much beyond showing proof of residence to get a driver's license/state id in some states. It's easy to fraud the DMV.
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#244620 - 05/16/07 07:23 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Don't some porners marry U.S. citizens to stay here? I'm thinking, e.g., of Rita Faltoyano & Tommy Gunn. Maybe this Natalie Heck person did the same?
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#244622 - 05/16/07 08:57 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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It doesn't take much beyond showing proof of residence to get a driver's license/state id in some states. It's easy to fraud the DMV.
There are states,like Oregon, where its relatively easy to get a US ID. I think it only requires showing a lease with your name on it to prove residency in order to get a state license. Something like that could make it easy for terrorists to get state issued IDs and remain in the country after VISAs expire.
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#244628 - 05/16/07 11:48 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I have a number of problems with this post. First of all, the agent doesn't go to jail for 2257 violations. The producer does.
Second, no one knows what the requirements are or whether they were complied with. I don't know immigration law, but I immagine that if you ask for a work visa for modeling they don't ask if you will be sucking cock. Adult entertainment is. A legal business. Denying a work visa to an adult performer raises first amendment questions.
But the big problem I have is suggesting that people in the industry be turned in. This is the second time this poster has accused someone of breaking the law with no proof.
Moxie, what I said about FastEddie is true and what I said about Derek is also true. I have corroborating evidence which I need not to post on here. Nor do I have burden of proof to prove it.
To get a work visa as a model, you need to prove to the State Deparment. that you are an extraordinary model and you need to show them a portfolio of your works. I don't think these porners can bring a portfolio of their cocksucking images to the US Embassy in their home countries.
Remember that work VISAS are not issued by the INS but is issued by the State Department by the US Embassy in their home country.
If it was that easy to get a work visa as a model, we would have had an invasion of Euro girls from Czech and Hungary here already. We don't!!!
Yes, INS issues H1B visa's but most all other visa's the State Department handles it and INS enforces the visas.
Moxie, are you sure you are a lawyer????
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#244629 - 05/16/07 11:56 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Yea Seriously Fuckwhore...Moxie and Myself don't agree on much but your being a total butt plugg about this...Unless you have proof...and actually know what the fuck you are talking about don't sit thier and accuse people of shit...I meen its real easy to do watch...
....Hey everybody that fuck whore guy....yea he is a pedderass....seriously he is...like i dont' understand it but he gets off exposing himself to 6 year olds....yea no i know its a shame...
No see how easy that was I just heard thats how you were...i don't need any proof...
If you wanna talk about someone breaking rules to get ahead...don't worry about LA Direct...seriously Bush has been doing it for the last 6 years or so....
  
To accuse someone of being a pedophile is completely different then someone being illegally in the country. Logically, without pointing to evidence, if Natalie Heck entered the US legally with the ability to work, why didn't she start working as a pornstar immediately upon entering. Instead she worked as a prostitute until LA Direct miraculously got her an ID for her to work. Then only did she start booking for films about a month after she got here.
Obviously it took her a MONTH to get those phony documents.
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#244630 - 05/16/07 12:03 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 02/18/07
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on luke...
Derek Hayes says: "She is a former Bluebird contract girl, though out of contract now, but she is here with their blessing in any case."
Interesting how Derek would address Luke about the Bluebird contract issue but not address the visa and immigration issue. Because he knows he would be putting his foot in his mouth if he falsely said in a public statement that she has all her legal paperwork and has legal status.
If the INS and FBI investigated him for this, he knowingly and fraudulently purported this scheme.
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#244631 - 05/16/07 12:06 PM
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Go tell your fucking Mummy,,,or try to find someone who gives a Fuck..  I fuckin hate anything with a Limey accent...! Give me forty-five minutes with the cunt.....And she will be beggin to get on a plane to go back to where she fucking came from...
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#244632 - 05/16/07 12:19 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I have a number of problems with this post. First of all, the agent doesn't go to jail for 2257 violations. The producer does.
Second, no one knows what the requirements are or whether they were complied with. I don't know immigration law, but I immagine that if you ask for a work visa for modeling they don't ask if you will be sucking cock. Adult entertainment is. A legal business. Denying a work visa to an adult performer raises first amendment questions.
But the big problem I have is suggesting that people in the industry be turned in. This is the second time this poster has accused someone of breaking the law with no proof.
Moxie, what I said about FastEddie is true and what I said about Derek is also true. I have corroborating evidence which I need not to post on here. Nor do I have burden of proof to prove it.
To get a work visa as a model, you need to prove to the State Deparment. that you are an extraordinary model and you need to show them a portfolio of your works. I don't think these porners can bring a portfolio of their cocksucking images to the US Embassy in their home countries.
Remember that work VISAS are not issued by the INS but is issued by the State Department by the US Embassy in their home country.
If it was that easy to get a work visa as a model, we would have had an invasion of Euro girls from Czech and Hungary here already. We don't!!!
Yes, INS issues H1B visa's but most all other visa's the State Department handles it and INS enforces the visas.
Moxie, are you sure you are a lawyer????
I was pretty explicit that I'm no expert in Immigration law. You originally asked how she got 2257 ID, which has been explained as some states have lax requirements for ID and will even give ID to illegal aliens. Actually, you asked how Derek got her "citizenship" which is not required under 2257. Now your suggesting that Natalie/ Savanah is in the country illegally. Why change the story? I don't get you motivation but sounds like no one is going to stop you so just call the FBI already.
If you want to talk about an intetresting case though, why not Paola Rey? She was performing, then stopped for close to a year and was exclusively escorting in NY and was constantly on TER. Now she dissapeared from escorting and is back to performing again. I assume it was an ID issue, but I've never heard anything definative. Why does Paola not interest you.
I seem to recall Fast Eddie had some run in with Lisa Ann, who of course is of course in competition with Derek. Lisa. that you?
Edited by Moxie (05/16/07 12:30 PM)
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#244633 - 05/16/07 02:10 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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But the big problem I have is suggesting that people in the industry be turned in. This is the second time this poster has accused someone of breaking the law with no proof.
I agree with that. It would seem the kind of thing a rival girl would wish upon another for motives of personal vengeance.
Immigration law does not require citizenship for work. In order to get a work visa the model would have to demonstrate certain professional merits. If the model was published and/or acted in movies she could qualify for a work visa. Or, if she has a US fiancée or is married to a US citizen, that would make her legit too...
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#244635 - 05/16/07 02:15 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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On the other hand... prostitution is never legal and as far as Immigration is concerned reason for deportation and denial of future entry...
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#244636 - 05/16/07 03:15 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Oh....fuck it, nevermind
Edited by jack_schitt (05/16/07 03:35 PM)
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#244637 - 05/16/07 04:14 PM
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#244639 - 05/16/07 05:31 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I have a number of problems with this post. First of all, the agent doesn't go to jail for 2257 violations. The producer does.
Second, no one knows what the requirements are or whether they were complied with. I don't know immigration law, but I immagine that if you ask for a work visa for modeling they don't ask if you will be sucking cock. Adult entertainment is. A legal business. Denying a work visa to an adult performer raises first amendment questions.
But the big problem I have is suggesting that people in the industry be turned in. This is the second time this poster has accused someone of breaking the law with no proof.
Moxie, what I said about FastEddie is true and what I said about Derek is also true. I have corroborating evidence which I need not to post on here. Nor do I have burden of proof to prove it.
To get a work visa as a model, you need to prove to the State Deparment. that you are an extraordinary model and you need to show them a portfolio of your works. I don't think these porners can bring a portfolio of their cocksucking images to the US Embassy in their home countries.
Remember that work VISAS are not issued by the INS but is issued by the State Department by the US Embassy in their home country.
If it was that easy to get a work visa as a model, we would have had an invasion of Euro girls from Czech and Hungary here already. We don't!!!
Yes, INS issues H1B visa's but most all other visa's the State Department handles it and INS enforces the visas.
Moxie, are you sure you are a lawyer????
I was pretty explicit that I'm no expert in Immigration law. You originally asked how she got 2257 ID, which has been explained as some states have lax requirements for ID and will even give ID to illegal aliens. Actually, you asked how Derek got her "citizenship" which is not required under 2257. Now your suggesting that Natalie/ Savanah is in the country illegally. Why change the story? I don't get you motivation but sounds like no one is going to stop you so just call the FBI already.
If you want to talk about an intetresting case though, why not Paola Rey? She was performing, then stopped for close to a year and was exclusively escorting in NY and was constantly on TER. Now she dissapeared from escorting and is back to performing again. I assume it was an ID issue, but I've never heard anything definative. Why does Paola not interest you.
I seem to recall Fast Eddie had some run in with Lisa Ann, who of course is of course in competition with Derek. Lisa. that you?
Natalie may be on a tourist visa but if she works while she is here she is violating her visa conditions. Which deems her as illegally being in the US. I'm not changing my story.
As in the case of Paola Rey, she started shooting again after gaining fake IDS. And guess which agency she started working for?? LA Direct. Do you see a pattern?
Without LA Direct, these girls are incapable of gaining these fakes documents to allow them to work and for Derek to profit from.
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#244640 - 05/16/07 05:33 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I think the INS has some far bigger fish to fry than porn whores.
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#244641 - 05/16/07 05:33 PM
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Natalie may be on a tourist visa but if she works while she is here she is violating her visa conditions. Which deems her as illegally being in the US. I'm not changing my story.
As in the case of Paola Rey, she started shooting again after gaining fake IDS. And guess which agency she started working for?? LA Direct. Do you see a pattern?
Without LA Direct, these girls are incapable of gaining these fakes documents to allow them to work and for Derek to profit from.
But why are you getting so worked up about it? You're getting like Alberto Gonzales here.
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#244642 - 05/16/07 05:34 PM
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Maybe she just came in on a 90 day Visa Waiver from England? 
She probably did. More likely than not. But by working while she is in the US violates the Visa Waiver agreement. Thus she will be deported and barred of future visits to the US for up to ten years.
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#244643 - 05/16/07 09:42 PM
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Fuckwhore, you started off claiming LA Direct got US citizenship for its model, and now you are down to claiming that maybe she is here on a visa waiver?
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#244645 - 05/16/07 10:02 PM
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The downtown core is full of sweat shops using illegal Mex labor.
The Valley is full of nail salons that have Vietnamese illegals worrking.
Every freaking Home Depot has a gaggle of illegals standing in front of it trying to make a few bucks.
Do you really think, for even one second, that the INS really honestly can give two shits about a couple of porn chicks sucking dick on camera...documents or not?
Go ahead. Call INS will her address, telephone number and work schedule. You know when they'll actually pay her a visit? It would be long after you've forgotten her name.
On the other hand, since when does Brandon Irons have a problem with Non-US born porn talent? He IS non-US born porn talent.
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#244646 - 05/16/07 11:01 PM
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Fuckwhore, you started off claiming LA Direct got US citizenship for its model, and now you are down to claiming that maybe she is here on a visa waiver?
I said, LA Direct got an illegitimate US citizenship, resident alien, or ID claiming as such in order for her to shoot porn in the US to fulfill the 2257 requirements that producers have to meet.
But in all reality, she is here on the US Visa Waiver program for UK citizens. But because she is WORKING while she is here on the visa waiver she is in the US illegally and can be subject to deportation and barring from ever coming back to the US.
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#244647 - 05/16/07 11:04 PM
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The downtown core is full of sweat shops using illegal Mex labor.
The Valley is full of nail salons that have Vietnamese illegals worrking.
Every freaking Home Depot has a gaggle of illegals standing in front of it trying to make a few bucks.
Do you really think, for even one second, that the INS really honestly can give two shits about a couple of porn chicks sucking dick on camera...documents or not?
Go ahead. Call INS will her address, telephone number and work schedule. You know when they'll actually pay her a visit? It would be long after you've forgotten her name.
On the other hand, since when does Brandon Irons have a problem with Non-US born porn talent? He IS non-US born porn talent.
Ohhh buddy you are surely wrong. Do you forget who's in office and would like it to make an example out of the porn industry?? The difference between illegals from Mexico, Vietnam or anywhere else working illegally is that it is not SEX related.
When it is sex related it is a completely different monsters. Everyday the US government goes after massage parlors (one in the midwest this last week, and in LA & OC the last several weeks) for TRAFFICKING women for the purpose of sex.
INS, FBI, DHS, and AG would be glad to jump on this faster than the Mexican at Home Depot or the Vietnamese lady at the nail shop.
BTW I wouldn't report her. I'd report Derek. Derek is the one that continues to do this over and over. Authorities care more about characters like Derek who TRAFFICKS girls in.
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#244648 - 05/16/07 11:09 PM
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I have a number of problems with this post. First of all, the agent doesn't go to jail for 2257 violations. The producer does.
Second, no one knows what the requirements are or whether they were complied with. I don't know immigration law, but I immagine that if you ask for a work visa for modeling they don't ask if you will be sucking cock. Adult entertainment is. A legal business. Denying a work visa to an adult performer raises first amendment questions.
But the big problem I have is suggesting that people in the industry be turned in. This is the second time this poster has accused someone of breaking the law with no proof.
Moxie, what I said about FastEddie is true and what I said about Derek is also true. I have corroborating evidence which I need not to post on here. Nor do I have burden of proof to prove it.
To get a work visa as a model, you need to prove to the State Deparment. that you are an extraordinary model and you need to show them a portfolio of your works. I don't think these porners can bring a portfolio of their cocksucking images to the US Embassy in their home countries.
Remember that work VISAS are not issued by the INS but is issued by the State Department by the US Embassy in their home country.
If it was that easy to get a work visa as a model, we would have had an invasion of Euro girls from Czech and Hungary here already. We don't!!!
Yes, INS issues H1B visa's but most all other visa's the State Department handles it and INS enforces the visas.
Moxie, are you sure you are a lawyer????
I was pretty explicit that I'm no expert in Immigration law. You originally asked how she got 2257 ID, which has been explained as some states have lax requirements for ID and will even give ID to illegal aliens. Actually, you asked how Derek got her "citizenship" which is not required under 2257. Now your suggesting that Natalie/ Savanah is in the country illegally. Why change the story? I don't get you motivation but sounds like no one is going to stop you so just call the FBI already.
If you want to talk about an intetresting case though, why not Paola Rey? She was performing, then stopped for close to a year and was exclusively escorting in NY and was constantly on TER. Now she dissapeared from escorting and is back to performing again. I assume it was an ID issue, but I've never heard anything definative. Why does Paola not interest you.
I seem to recall Fast Eddie had some run in with Lisa Ann, who of course is of course in competition with Derek. Lisa. that you?
I perfectly understand why Lisa had a run in with FastEddie. Because FastEddie is a fraud. He tries to play off he's a legitimate producer of product in order to book girls for his "hobby". Lisa wouldn't been any of her girls to FastEddie probably knowing this because it makes Lisa turn from Agent to knowingly being a PIMP. Porn agents aren't punishable by law but being a PIMP is.
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#244649 - 05/16/07 11:10 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Don't some porners marry U.S. citizens to stay here? I'm thinking, e.g., of Rita Faltoyano & Tommy Gunn. Maybe this Natalie Heck person did the same?
Katja Kassin marrying Sledge Hammer.....
Even if Natalie Heck married someone, it would take 2 years for her to get a Green Card and nearly 6 months to get a K Visa which would allow her to work.
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#244651 - 05/17/07 09:07 AM
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Even if Natalie Heck married someone, it would take 2 years for her to get a Green Card and nearly 6 months to get a K Visa which would allow her to work.
Wrong again. Trust me, you don't want to try to figure out immigration law by quickly reading up something... there are way too many grey areas.
If you already are in the US you don't need to get a new visa, you get an "adjustment of status".
Human trafficking usually involves abduction, taking away identification documents from the victims and forcing them to do slave labor. Voluntary modeling work at a high profile agency doesn't seem to qualify.
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#244652 - 05/17/07 09:27 AM
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So, are those your websites Fuck Whore? Are you a pimp? Perhaps someone should direct the authorities to your activities.People in glass houses. Quote:
I perfectly understand why Lisa had a run in with FastEddie. Because FastEddie is a fraud. He tries to play off he's a legitimate producer of product in order to book girls for his "hobby".Quote:
Actually, I was reffering to the fact that when Lisa Ann was featuring she went nuts if someone asked if she did privavtes. I believe she may have vented at Eddie, but I may have my stories confused.
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As has been explained, you can get an ID for 2257 purposes without even if illegally in the country.
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Ohhh buddy you are surely wrong. Do you forget who's in office and would like it to make an example out of the porn industry?? The difference between illegals from Mexico, Vietnam or anywhere else working illegally is that it is not SEX related.
BTW I wouldn't report her. I'd report Derek. Derek is the one that continues to do this over and over. Authorities care more about characters like Derek who TRAFFICKS girls in.
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And of course after they arrested only the people that you want them to arrest they would stop looking. Sorry, thats not the way it works. If some illegality was involved, perhaps anyone who hired any foreighn girl would be targeted as well. And perhaps it would go even farther into areas you haven't even considered. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
The thing I don't get is what do you have against Derek that you want to invite a federal investigation of the entire industry?
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#244654 - 05/17/07 07:25 PM
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as long as shes not a dirty spic I dont care
How do you feel about Serbs and Croatians?
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#244657 - 05/17/07 10:49 PM
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So, are those your websites Fuck Whore? Are you a pimp? Perhaps someone should direct the authorities to your activities.People in glass houses.
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As I said Moxie, for a lawyer you say some of the most uneducated things that don't portray you as a lawyer. Maybe that's why you have so much time on your hands to scour this board all day long. Go ahead a report me, as you don't have corroborating evidence nor who I am.
The things I stated have direct links to the people involved.
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#244658 - 05/19/07 10:41 PM
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interesting read from lib... Hey Luke, I was just reading Demi Delia’s comments about Derek Hayes and how he is not a pimp. I couldn’t help but laugh. She just took a trip to london with with some other LA Direct Girls She also recently updated her website to add her "services" fees. She’ll be in NYC at the end of the month. Anyone can book "time" with her. So add Demi Delia to the very long list of porn performers who escort. Before signing with LADirect, she was available through Pamela Peaks for "Video Work Only". It used to floor me. I thought because there was a set and lights and a director yelled "action" and "cut", that porn performers weren’t whores, but I guess I was just naive. Not that prostituting is a bad thing, because I will not lie - if I could book her hubby with her, that’s something I would make my fiance buy me.
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#244660 - 05/20/07 05:32 AM
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interesting read from lib...
Hey Luke, I was just reading Demi Delia’s comments about Derek Hayes and how he is not a pimp. I couldn’t help but laugh. She just took a trip to london with with some other LA Direct Girls
She also recently updated her website to add her "services" fees. She’ll be in NYC at the end of the month. Anyone can book "time" with her.
So add Demi Delia to the very long list of porn performers who escort. Before signing with LADirect, she was available through Pamela Peaks for "Video Work Only".
It used to floor me. I thought because there was a set and lights and a director yelled "action" and "cut", that porn performers weren’t whores, but I guess I was just naive. Not that prostituting is a bad thing, because I will not lie - if I could book her hubby with her, that’s something I would make my fiance buy me.
Problem with the info is there's no indication that you can book Demi through LA Direct. In fact, you have to book her directly. It floors me that people get upset that performers escort. That fact that I can have my way with these girls doesn't upset me, it makes me happy in my pants.
There are a few "hobbyists" that have booked with Derek directly under the guise of "private movie". Any Joe can call him up and book a girl for a "shoot". They don't check references or credibility.
Ignorance isn't immunity from culpability. Derek and LA Direct can still be prosecuted for pimping. At minimum he can be charged with conspiracy.
The law in California in regards to shooting porn is very clear. A third party pays two individuals to have sex in order to create a commercial product of such shoot. Without having an end commercial product, the act is deemed as prostitution.
It's been done before numerous times
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#244661 - 05/20/07 05:40 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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interesting read from lib...
Hey Luke, I was just reading Demi Delia’s comments about Derek Hayes and how he is not a pimp. I couldn’t help but laugh. She just took a trip to london with with some other LA Direct Girls
She also recently updated her website to add her "services" fees. She’ll be in NYC at the end of the month. Anyone can book "time" with her.
So add Demi Delia to the very long list of porn performers who escort. Before signing with LADirect, she was available through Pamela Peaks for "Video Work Only".
It used to floor me. I thought because there was a set and lights and a director yelled "action" and "cut", that porn performers weren’t whores, but I guess I was just naive. Not that prostituting is a bad thing, because I will not lie - if I could book her hubby with her, that’s something I would make my fiance buy me.
Problem with the info is there's no indication that you can book Demi through LA Direct. In fact, you have to book her directly. It floors me that people get upset that performers escort. That fact that I can have my way with these girls doesn't upset me, it makes me happy in my pants.
Moxie, you overlooked these facts.
1) Every girl that goes to the UK with Derek end up on the same escort site and agency.
2) Every American girl on the UK escort site and agency are also listed on LA Direct's site.
Basic deductive reason would lead you to believe that Derek pimps his girls out either directly or indirectly with the 3rd party pimp.
For the fact that he is traveling with the girls when they escort internationally through his contacts implicitly shows that he is pimping and pandering.
This would truly add some weight to a trafficking charge on top of violating US immigration laws, pimping and pandering, conspiracy.
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#244662 - 05/20/07 07:51 AM
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It does not need to be for a commercial product to be legal. A private movie would be just as legal as a commerical one. But I don't think Derrick would book girls for phony POV out of business reasons. i.e. a PSE goes for $1500, a POV goes for $1K.
But lets get back to the question that everyone has asked you. Why do care? If Derrick is doing it, I'm sure the other agencies are as well. Why do you care? It porn, not Morgan Stanley, I'm sure you didn't get involved in porn cause you wanted to deal with only the nobleist people.
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#244664 - 05/20/07 10:21 AM
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1) Every girl that goes to the UK with Derek end up on the same escort site and agency.
2) Every American girl on the UK escort site and agency are also listed on LA Direct's site.
I'm glad somebody is having fun! London is a beautiful city, who wouldn't want to visit?
As far as fuckwhore it concerned, maybe it's time to sign up for another id, if you haven't already done so.
I think you are really crossing a line when you start fabricating false "evidence" to support your various claims.
What is this bs you put up on TheEroticReview? It's been conveniently posted on May 19, 2007 - wait, what's the date today?
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#244665 - 05/20/07 11:05 AM
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Vanessa, I don't believe FW is correct, but the TER poster has some reviews going back to 2002. So I don't think FW is that poster. He did conviently ignored the the other 30 posts on TER that say LA Direct will not send girls out to people they don't know.
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#244666 - 05/20/07 11:13 AM
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1) Every girl that goes to the UK with Derek end up on the same escort site and agency.
2) Every American girl on the UK escort site and agency are also listed on LA Direct's site.
I'm glad somebody is having fun! London is a beautiful city, who wouldn't want to visit?
As far as fuckwhore it concerned, maybe it's time to sign up for another id, if you haven't already done so.
I think you are really crossing a line when you start fabricating false "evidence" to support your various claims.
What is this bs you put up on TheEroticReview? It's been conveniently posted on May 19, 2007 - wait, what's the date today?
Wow another idiot. Is that your pussy lips moving or are you talking nonsense?
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#244667 - 05/20/07 11:21 AM
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Wow another idiot. Is that your pussy lips moving or are you talking nonsense?
Ok, let's see if we can turn this wonderful thread of lies of yours into a discussion about my pussy lips. Can you email me a picture of your penis, maybe I recognize you, I never forget a face...
Actually, I really don't get what your point is here any more. You started off saying you may want to turn in a poor girl to the FBI or Immigration, then it's about immigration laws, document forgery, human trafficking, then it's about turning in LA Direct, then it's about whether performers should escort, should there be working girls, should there be pimps, should there be clients, should there be men, women, trans...?
It would be far more interesting if you would just tell us what your issue really is, maybe then we could sympathize with you. Did somebody do you wrong?
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#244668 - 05/20/07 11:24 AM
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Still waiting for an answer about why Derick draws your ire. It should hardly surprise you that there are pimps and ho's is the industry.
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#244669 - 05/20/07 01:00 PM
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Wow another idiot. Is that your pussy lips moving or are you talking nonsense?
Ok, let's see if we can turn this wonderful thread of lies of yours into a discussion about my pussy lips. Can you email me a picture of your penis, maybe I recognize you, I never forget a face...
Actually, I really don't get what your point is here any more. You started off saying you may want to turn in a poor girl to the FBI or Immigration, then it's about immigration laws, document forgery, human trafficking, then it's about turning in LA Direct, then it's about whether performers should escort, should there be working girls, should there be pimps, should there be clients, should there be men, women, trans...?
It would be far more interesting if you would just tell us what your issue really is, maybe then we could sympathize with you. Did somebody do you wrong?
If you have read my previous posts, evidently you haven't, I can careless if performers escort. It is expected. They fuck for money regardless if it's in front of a camera or not.
What I hate is these whores lie through their teeth about doing it i.e. my comments on Katja.
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#244670 - 05/20/07 01:03 PM
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Still waiting for an answer about why Derick draws your ire. It should hardly surprise you that there are pimps and ho's is the industry.
What my schtick about this is that I have personal friends that was represented by Derek. I know how he treated them like shit. Threatening to kick them out of his house unless they do whatever he wants. Cashing checks in their names without letting them know, and the list goes on and on.
I would like to see this asshole locked up and the ball has started to roll. It's now a matter of when.
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#244671 - 05/20/07 01:12 PM
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What I hate is these whores lie through their teeth about doing it i.e. my comments on Katja.
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What my schtick about this is that I have personal friends that was represented by Derek. I know how he treated them like shit. Threatening to kick them out of his house unless they do whatever he wants. Cashing checks in their names without letting them know, and the list goes on and on.
I would like to see this asshole locked up and the ball has started to roll. It's now a matter of when.
See... now you are making sense.
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#244672 - 05/20/07 01:24 PM
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Don't tell me they put a cup down without using a coaster? I know that drives Derek absolutely nuts.
I wish I was kidding!
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#244673 - 05/20/07 01:44 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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There are a few "hobbyists" that have booked with Derek directly under the guise of "private movie". Any Joe can call him up and book a girl for a "shoot". They don't check references or credibility.
Ignorance isn't immunity from culpability. Derek and LA Direct can still be prosecuted for pimping. At minimum he can be charged with conspiracy.
The law in California in regards to shooting porn is very clear. A third party pays two individuals to have sex in order to create a commercial product of such shoot. Without having an end commercial product, the act is deemed as prostitution.
What a bullshit statement. Of course LA direct screens companies/producers that they dont know. Are you serious? Do you think he would send girls out into the wild like that? Now you are just making things up.
Sorry Christian I didn't make this up. there are a few hobbyist on TER that have booked through Direct and Derek knew that it was not for a commercial product. The link I provided earlier was to a hobbyist who has booked with DIrect and has written reviews. A condition with Derek is that it must be under the radar and let it be known to the public.
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#244674 - 05/20/07 01:49 PM
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It does not need to be for a commercial product to be legal. A private movie would be just as legal as a commerical one. But I don't think Derrick would book girls for phony POV out of business reasons. i.e. a PSE goes for $1500, a POV goes for $1K.
But lets get back to the question that everyone has asked you. Why do care? If Derrick is doing it, I'm sure the other agencies are as well. Why do you care? It porn, not Morgan Stanley, I'm sure you didn't get involved in porn cause you wanted to deal with only the nobleist people.
In California it has to be commercial product. I don't remember the landmark case that legalize shooting porn in California. Back in the 80's, California viewed shooting porn as a form of prostitution also untill this case was won. Per this case, it has to be commercial product in order not to be viewed as prostitution by authorities.
Per People vs. Freeman
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Why do you think shooting porn is illegal in Las Vegas when prostitution is legal in Nevada? Because, Las Vegas views shooting porn is prostitution and all prostitution is illegal in Clark County.
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#244675 - 05/20/07 02:27 PM
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Freeman says nothing about it needing to be a movie for commercial distribution. The court viewed Freeman's conviction as "a somewhat transparent attempt at an 'end run' around the First Amendment and the state obscenity laws". Last I heard the First Amendment was an individual right, so it is inherantly permissible to do anything for a private film that you could do for a commercial film.
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#244676 - 05/20/07 02:34 PM
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Freeman says nothing about it needing to be a movie for commercial distribution. The court viewed Freeman's conviction as "a somewhat transparent attempt at an 'end run' around the First Amendment and the state obscenity laws". Last I heard the First Amendment was an individual right, so it is inherantly permissible to do anything for a private film that you could do for a commercial film.
As I said I'm not a lawye, but I know it needs to be a commercial product. If it doesn't have to be, every escort agency would stay that they are just booking their girls for private shoots to all their johns. I don't think that is a valid loophole.
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#244677 - 05/20/07 03:12 PM
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Lets take a giant leap of faith and assume that Derek's girls are available for privates through the agency. Do you think that a prosecutor would ONLY look at Derek? Again, be careful what you wish for and make sure you have nothing dirty in your closet.
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#244679 - 05/20/07 05:21 PM
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Don't tell me they put a cup down without using a coaster? I know that drives Derek absolutely nuts.
I wish I was kidding!
or wearing your shoes upstairs. lol...apparently he is japanese. 
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