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#242425 - 05/07/07 09:56 AM Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Moxie Human Garbage Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 1557 Loc: New York	Up till now I've looked at adult performers as grossly underpayed, considering they are basicaly selling their dignity. After comparing porn economics to a mainstream acting economics, I'm no longer so sure. It sounds like a silly question (whether porn pays better), but maybe its not. Let's suspend disbelief for a moment and presume that an adult performer could actually land a leading role in a mainstream production at the SAG minimum rate. Perhaps they would be surprised that they would have to take a pay cut. The typical production cycle for a mainstream movie would take 20 weeks. During that period a leading actor will get paid $655 a day or $2,272 a week. This is based on the SAG minimum rate. So lets assume that the mainstream performer works 5 days a week for 20 weks or 100 days. That would be $65,500 at the SAG day rate or $45,440 at the weekly SAG rate. Now how many adult scenes would even a barely average looking 18-20 year old (and there are quite a few) shoot during a 20 week period? Let's use a conservative number and say 4 scenes a week or 80 scenes. during a 20 week period. According to AVN's cover story, the average B/G vag rate is $1000 (I find that a little high). so those 80 scenes would pay $80,000. Considerably more than the SAG day rate and nearly double the weekly rate. This isn't factoring in residuals, which I believe are 3% of net under SAG. But this also doesn't factor that a mainstream actor's chances of getting a role are infintesimally slim, whereas just about any cute to average 18 year old can get off the bus in porn valley and shoot scenes. This leaves me to conclude, that as a matter of economics, Porn pays better for a new performer than Hollywood. _________________________ "This thing is ready to do damage!"
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#242426 - 05/07/07 10:47 AM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Willie D Porn Jesus Registered: 09/20/05 Posts: 9184	Some "hidden costs" the whores must subsidize: 1. AIM tests 2. Trips to the Valtrex clinic 3. Drugs 4. Booze 5. Agency fee 6. Drugs/booze for the suitcase pimp 7. Dignity
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#242427 - 05/07/07 10:53 AM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Houstondon AC Cream Wannabe Registered: 03/11/07 Posts: 451 Loc: Houston	Yeah, landing a bit role in a mainstream production is far less likely, and I'm not talking about a 20 week job either. On top of that, there will probably be a lot more sex involved in getting the mainstream role (before and after the part) than the amount of scenes they do in the same time frame. However, working in one genre will greatly limit their ability to get roles in the other genre; guess which one. _________________________ "I'm rich. I'm a strong, trained fighter. I own a gun. And I am completely...fucking ... psychotic." Kurt Lockwood ranting yet again
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#242428 - 05/07/07 11:14 AM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Moxie Human Garbage Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 1557 Loc: New York	Correct Don, I figure 1 in 10,000 actors is working (.0001). So even if you figure a $3M payday, when you multiply by .0001 you get $300. In comparison, if a semi cute girl comes to porn valley (Whitney Stevens, Gwen Diamond)but have the requisites of (1)youth, (2) fucking for money, what percentage will get work. 100%? From an economics point of veiw 80k * 100% is better than $3M * .0001%. _________________________ "This thing is ready to do damage!"
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#242429 - 05/07/07 12:13 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
christianxxx Pervert Registered: 07/05/05 Posts: 2134 Loc: Los Angeles, CA	a couple of things here. 1. no girl works 4 months straight without having to take a few days/weeks off. Look at bree olson, sasha grey, etc. etc. The more popular you are, the more you work, the more you open yourself up to bodily problems. 2. even girls that work 4-5 times a week, you are forgetting that they are doing BJs and HJs or solo stuff as well, which pays less. 3. i heard that the mainstream agency fee is significantly higher than the cut taken my porn agents. 4. there is no hole on your resume doing mainstream. porn? a different story _________________________ My Clips 4 Sale Store
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#242430 - 05/07/07 01:16 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
gia jordan Porn Jesus Registered: 09/07/05 Posts: 14160 Loc: NYC	Good to see you back, Christian!!! _________________________ "What I do know is that if Karen Carpenter and Mama Cass Elliot had shared that sandwich they'd both be alive today." -Michael K
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#242431 - 05/07/07 01:36 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
**LG*** Porn Jesus Registered: 06/05/05 Posts: 4468 Loc: Great America	dont forgive the future dancing the in-stores personal websites and panti-garage sale like Gen and Ceara allo of those incomes are in cash
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#242432 - 05/07/07 01:52 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
gia jordan Porn Jesus Registered: 09/07/05 Posts: 14160 Loc: NYC	Quote: dont forgive the future dancing the in-stores personal websites and panti-garage sale like Gen and Ceara allo of those incomes are in cash In-stores are paid in checks with taxes taken out or later 1099'd. With feature dancing, tips and merch sales are cash, but the rate the club pays you per show is still usually in cash yet still later 1099'd by the club. _________________________ "What I do know is that if Karen Carpenter and Mama Cass Elliot had shared that sandwich they'd both be alive today." -Michael K
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#242433 - 05/07/07 01:53 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Conky Porn Jesus Registered: 11/04/06 Posts: 4203 Loc: Bakersfield Plumbing Supplies ...	Moxie, a more pertinent question would be: "Who correctly declares their earnings to the IRS, porn performers or mainstream actors?" _________________________ I also am subcribe to postal pornography - CAOH
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#242434 - 05/07/07 02:10 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Low Rider Rob Black's Crack Pipe Registered: 06/26/06 Posts: 100	Hillary "beat me to death" Swank tells the story of not being able to get a Rx filled at her local drug store shortly after winning the Oscar for Boys Don't Cry. She hadn't earned enough money the year before for her SAG insurance to stay active... _________________________ Waist not, want not...
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#242435 - 05/07/07 02:47 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Grant_Michaels Max Hardcore Prison Bitch Registered: 11/09/04 Posts: 277 Loc: LA	And why are we only discussing female talent? As male talent (and I work a LOT less than Christian) I know I earn more annually than my male mainstream counterpart friends. That includes my buddy Patrick Muldoon who earned $150 000 for an independent movie in mid 2005 (3 weeks shooting). Since then ... nothing worth mentioning. That's only 50 grand a year over the last 3 years. _________________________ "A man can be short and dumpy and getting bald but if he has fire, women will like him." -Mae West
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#242436 - 05/07/07 03:08 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Moxie Human Garbage Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 1557 Loc: New York	When you consider longevity, the guys make Much Much Much more than the girls. They have much less competition as well. _________________________ "This thing is ready to do damage!"
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#242437 - 05/07/07 06:49 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
kevin ADT regular Registered: 04/21/03 Posts: 3 Loc: Los Angeles	Rarely post, but thought I'd throw my two cents in on this subject. Porn pays way better and the hours are much less stressful. I've done a variety of mainstream work, but the biggest was for a big Disney movie (hint: it comes out Memorial Day Weekend), which I did last year. The hours alone were grueling. Call time was 4am and would go into the evening. Though the experience was very cool and interesting (more so from a technical stand point), I have no more delusions. Adult is simply more fun. The sets are laid back, the hours aren't so extreme and the pay rate is good. Granted I got paid even for driving time (since it was outside LA) and the catering was outstanding, but there are some freedoms adult definitely provides. luckily I work for some of the best guys in the biz (Joey Silvera and John Leslie) and to me the experiences I've had and learned from them are just as interesting as what I've learned from "mainstream".
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#242438 - 05/07/07 07:11 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Dick Dastardly Porn Jesus Registered: 01/25/06 Posts: 4470	Quote: Some "hidden costs" the whores must subsidize: 1. AIM tests 2. Trips to the Valtrex clinic 3. Drugs 4. Booze 5. Agency fee 6. Drugs/booze for the suitcase pimp 7. Dignity Willie, this is a GREAT analysis! _________________________ Because you already yelled 'dropping prices!!!' after Red Light canned you. - Gia Jordan to Brandon Iron
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#242439 - 05/07/07 08:33 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Willie D Porn Jesus Registered: 09/20/05 Posts: 9184	I did a FOIA request for some IRS documents lately, and lo and behold, look who is performing what I might call, "financial gymnastics" Attachments 231951-jeweltax.jpg (12 downloads)
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#242440 - 05/07/07 08:41 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Sergio T. Porn Jesus Registered: 07/20/03 Posts: 5256 Loc: CSW Wrestling - Gracie Academy	Quote: Rarely post, but thought I'd throw my two cents in on this subject. Rare is right. It took you 4+ yrs. to finally post. Have you been lurking all this time? _________________________
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#242441 - 05/07/07 08:55 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
k1ng Porn Jesus Registered: 03/22/06 Posts: 6557 Loc: 2004 - the glory days	Nice, Willie. Though, honestly, I'm a little shocked by De'Bella's ss#. I thought it would be much lower, like 000-00-0004 _________________________ "You are the worst poster in xpt yet I can't stop talking about you" - smelly monkey
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#242442 - 05/07/07 09:12 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Willie D Porn Jesus Registered: 09/20/05 Posts: 9184	SS#'s are a factor of the date and place of issue, but yeah, maybe the elderwhore has a much lower #.
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#242443 - 05/07/07 09:16 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
k1ng Porn Jesus Registered: 03/22/06 Posts: 6557 Loc: 2004 - the glory days	Quote: SS#'s are a factor of the date and place of issue, but yeah, maybe the elderwhore has a much lower #. I don't like to let procedure and facts get in the way of my perception of reality. But seriously I didn't know that about ss#'s, thanks. _________________________ "You are the worst poster in xpt yet I can't stop talking about you" - smelly monkey
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#242444 - 05/07/07 09:18 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Dick Dastardly Porn Jesus Registered: 01/25/06 Posts: 4470	Quote: SS#'s are a factor of the date and place of issue, but yeah, maybe the elderwhore has a much lower #. That sounds right, as I recall, the first 3 numbers of my SS# identify that I mine was originated in South Jersey. _________________________ Because you already yelled 'dropping prices!!!' after Red Light canned you. - Gia Jordan to Brandon Iron
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#242445 - 05/07/07 09:33 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
kevin ADT regular Registered: 04/21/03 Posts: 3 Loc: Los Angeles	Quote: Rare is right. It took you 4+ yrs. to finally post. Have you been lurking all this time? yup... tend to lay low
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#242446 - 05/08/07 02:56 AM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
The Ghost Is Toast Whoremaster Registered: 10/21/05 Posts: 2710	Quote: Quote: Rare is right. It took you 4+ yrs. to finally post. Have you been lurking all this time? yup... tend to lay low You should post moore, Kevin
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#242447 - 05/08/07 08:57 AM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Soopergrizz Porn Fucking Master Registered: 02/23/05 Posts: 3724 Loc: Paddling my canoe in the wild	Quote: Quote: Rare is right. It took you 4+ yrs. to finally post. Have you been lurking all this time? yup... tend to lay low Welcome Kevin, I like your work web page _________________________ You're all still alive?
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#242448 - 05/08/07 09:34 AM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
loopnode Porn Jesus Registered: 01/12/05 Posts: 7322 Loc: The Children's Limbo	Quote: This leaves me to conclude, that as a matter of economics, Porn pays better for a new performer than Hollywood. Unlikely, unless you are an extra which still depends whether its a studio film or indie picture. _________________________ I hit her with the hammer on top of the head. She made a lot of noise and kept on making noise, so I hit her again.
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#242449 - 05/08/07 09:40 AM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Moxie Human Garbage Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 1557 Loc: New York	Quote: Quote: This leaves me to conclude, that as a matter of economics, Porn pays better for a new performer than Hollywood. I used the SAG minimum rates, which are what a new mainstream performer would likely be paid. Even if you factor in a significantly higher salary, you need to factor in the risk factor of 1/10,000 (.0001) since chances are the mainstream job won't be available at all. Xtra rate is $115 a day I believe under the SAG contract. Unlikely, unless you are an extra which still depends whether its a studio film or indie picture. _________________________ "This thing is ready to do damage!"
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#242450 - 05/16/07 02:50 PM Re: Do Pornstars Make More Than Mainstream Actors
Bad Habit Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer Registered: 01/18/06 Posts: 1283 Loc: SoCal	Quote: Quote: This leaves me to conclude, that as a matter of economics, Porn pays better for a new performer than Hollywood. Unlikely, unless you are an extra which still depends whether its a studio film or indie picture. Your opinion is noted but worthless. You don't even address the facts presented. Even the mainstream industry mag "Variety" states that less than 1% of SAG members earn a living as actors. I personally know a dozen people with SAG Cards (me included) and none of them earn more than a couple hundred dollars a year (average) as actors. Of the hundred or so people I know in the porn industry (me included), ALL of them earn a good living. 10 years mainstream and nothing but a few credits to show for it. 2 years in the porn industry and I buy my first house. Empirically, porn pays better than mainstream unless your part of that SAG 1 percent (i.e. Cruise, Hanks, etc.) _________________________ I'd rather be ignorant than stupid. Ignorance implies a lack of knowledge which is easily correctable through education. Stupidity implies an inability to learn. Therefore; ignorance is temporary, stupidity is forever!
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