Right, what I am saying is that there is too much low end product, and that no professional will be able to make a living from that for much longer. It's amateur porn (the equivalent of the kit car you mention), the sooner you put it up on the net for free download the better, so that it can disappear into oblivion and we can all move on. I feel sorry for everybody who has been making a living from it in the past - it just won't be happening any more. Once we are through this painful period, hopefully we will be making better cars again, I mean better porn, not cars.