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Self defense? BS. If you are on the street and somebody pulls a gun on you, what are you going to do? Pull out yours faster then Billy The Kid? Dart behind a car like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible and then kill the evil fucker? Nope, you are going to freeze and be nice and while you think of all your loved ones you will be hoping that the psycho with the gun is going to let you live.




Prepare yourself for culture shock but not everyone lives in the city. What are you going to do if you live in a rural area where it may take law enforcement 30 to 45 minutes to get to your house after the 911 call if some stranger(criminal, nutjob, methhead, who knows) is trying to break into your house or some creep pulls up in the driveway and starts eyeing your kids in the front yard? Chase them off with a pointed stick? Where I grew up my county's entire public safety division consisted of a sheriff, two deputies, two state troopers, and a handful of volunteer fire departments. All it would take to tie up all available law enforcement officers on a particular shift would be someone's cow getting out of a pasture and wondering onto a highway. Realistically self defense was the only sure defense you could have. My unscientific estimate is that at least 60% of the households where I lived had at least one gun in them and a significant portion had a shitload more than one. I am 40 years old despite all these guns that everyone had access too the last homicide in my county occured before i was born.
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Without a gun there is no way that one single person could kill 32 with the twitch of a finger.



Do the names Timothy McVeigh and Jim Jones mean anything to you?






Hey there “unknown pervert” I get your point. Actually I find your post very informative because you actually explain to somebody like me who lives in a densely populated metropolitan area (also know as Los Angeles) why there are places in this country where you legitimately need to have a gun. It's not as bad as a culture shock, it doesn't take much imagination to understand your point, but it's true that people like me who have always lived in safe areas have no direct knowledge of what a gun does for you in rural areas or in less privileged urban areas. I don’t know anybody who ever got into an armed confrontation. I have never met anybody who used a gun to protect himself. Also we in the cities tend to think of rural areas as virtually crime free areas where the “good folks” live in tightly knit communities that watch out for each other. I get it; it’s not that way.

The problem is that every time the word gun control comes up it seems that people go ballistic and become so emotional about the issue that it’s hard to hear the rational arguments.

"Vizzle-O-Dizzle", you are right, I have always lived in places where the best way to stay out of trouble is to just avoid it. I get your point that there are many places in this country where that's not that simple. But I'd like to better understand how a "typical" situation would look like for you where your carrying a gun makes it safer for you. I mean, give me an example, how would a typical confrontation with a gun look like for you? And why do you need to carry a gun with you at all times? Is it that bad where you live?

“Moxie”, why do you have a carry permit? You live in a big city (New York?) What kind of situations outside your home could you get into where reaching for your gun would help you out?

As far as Timothy McVeigh and Jim Jones are concerned, I thought we were just talking about guns here, not poison, explosives or other weapons of mass murder and destruction.

And all that said, what do you people who are legitimate gun owners propose to make things better?