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#235948 - 04/15/07 12:47 AM
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Why has no one mentioned Muslims? If one even criticizes the US policy towards Islam they are automatically branded Islamophobes or Anti-Muslim.
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#235949 - 04/15/07 12:49 AM
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Face it, this political correctness crap has gone too far.
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#235950 - 04/15/07 01:00 AM
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Why has no one mentioned Transexuals? If one even criticizes the 3rd gender they are automatically branded Level Headed and Non-Fags.
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#235951 - 04/15/07 01:01 AM
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Don't get me started about the fucking Martians, now...
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#235952 - 04/15/07 02:49 AM
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Sometimes, I often get the feeling that the whole 'Political Correctness' thing was in fact dreamed up by some far-right fascist group, because I think it causes more tension and anger than it solves. There's an internet banking company in the UK called Egg. They ran a series of TV adverts with the tagline 'If you don't look after your money, who will?' and they were shot in a faux-documentary style showing various con artists and scammers at work. They featured: 1) Two white guys running a postal lottery scam that just needs you to send the registration fee along so you can claim your winnings. 2) A white Scotsman selling off pieces of turf and claiming they were from the old pitch at Wembley Stadium. 3) A white American woman running a pyramid scheme investment seminar 4) A white car mechanic telling how he drives the bill up because most people know nothing about cars 5) Two white 'Fell off the back of a lorry' East End traders 6) A white bodybuilder selling a fitness supplement that doesn't work. I think there were two more, again with white crooks in them, but I can't remember the scams. Even with six separate ads, you think they could have squeezed one ethnic minority in right? Affirmative action and all that? Now, if the ads had been filmed with an all-black cast, then people would be up in arms and screaming about racism. Of course, nobody complains about the ads because the doctrine of political correctness tells us that a) white people can't be victims of racism and b) all racism is perpetrated by whites. However, these ads are racist in that there is some struggling black actor sitting at home, just waiting for a break, a chance to get his foot in the door and show what he can do, thinking 'I could do that! I could play the best Nigerian 411 scammer you've ever seen!', but he won't ever get the chance because of political correctness. Thus it hurts the very people it purports to be protecting...ain't it grand? 
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#235955 - 04/18/07 02:29 PM
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William Hyde adds his two cents. Heidi e-mails Luke:
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...the solution to that problem is not to try to censor any expression of racism, but rather to more vigorously uphold the rights ordained in our constitution… by combating real instances of discrimination -in employment, wages, housing, education, etc- and ensuring an equal opportunity for each to rise according to their own merits and the strength of their character.
Sorry Heidi, I ain't buying what you're selling. iMus made his career on racist jokes and was a national public figure that revelled in his ability to mock minorities. His status 'normalizes' racism as a 'vaild philosophy' (it's not a philosophy, just narcissism) and makes it easier for 'normal' people to refuse to hire blacks or rent apartments to East Indians.
Secondly, there are laws on the books in most western countries that protect people from discrimination in cases of "employment, wages, housing, education, etc" (although they are selectively enforced). As we discussed elsewhere, the iMus situation is not criminal, it is not constitutional it is the marketplace at work. The networks hired iMus (ostensibly) because his outrageous behaviour draws a crowd, which drives ratings which attracts sponsors. Individuals can't do much about it, but by pooling resources, the marketplace can create a liability for the sponsors/networks (bad PR, boycotts, shame) that levels the playing field. Ultimately the networks (and their sponsors that pay them) get to make a judgment call based on their own criteria balancing whether the profits the man generates outweigh the headaches.
Finally, The so-called scourge of political correctness is just a bogeyman to allow people who know they're wrong misdirect attention from the fact that they've said something indefensible. Rush Limbaugh can whine about "PC" because it gives him cover, as well as an opening to make further racist comments.
I'm not trying to "sell" anything. I just don't think that any of the fallout from Imus' remarks, or the subsequent debate over rap lyrics, amounts to anything substantial. Yes, Imus' dismissal was
justified, and the smart thing for the network to do from a PR standpoint. And perhaps his status "normalizes" racism ( although I'd argue that Imus' views are more of a reflection of existing attitudes than the inspiration for them ). But as far as his remarks being "indefensible" goes: they're completely defensible. The 1st amendment defends them. So unless you're proposing some form of censorship... I fail to see the point of even debating this?? He's a racist... so what? The KKK can march in Skokie, Illinoise and publish their ideas in a newsleter. Rap lyrics demean women... so what? So does most pornography. That's just one of the many things I love about it.
And political correctness IS a scourge. It tethers free thought and open debate by outlawing ideas as "inappropriate" or "insensitive". It's the worst kind of covert thought-policing. You don't like what the guy on the radio is saying? Turn the fucking thing off, and go stick your head in the sand for all I care. I'm sick of listening to hothouse flowers piss and moan about the ideas that "offend" them. You live in the United States of America. You have the right to cover your ears. You have a right to express your own ideas. But you don't have a right to not be "offended". Hearing ideas you don't agree with is just the price you pay for living in a free country. Too goddamn fucking bad.
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#235956 - 04/18/07 02:40 PM
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this seems to run against much of my understanding of your stance hyde. Quote:
Rap lyrics demean women... so what? So does most pornography. That's just one of the many things I love about it.
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#235958 - 04/18/07 04:01 PM
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It is my understanding that this board's stance is that censorship is bad- I would like to think that this sentiment applies to all forms of free speech not just in regard to pornography, no matter how unsavory those words may be.
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#235960 - 04/18/07 04:21 PM
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Indeed but it would be hypocrisy to complain about a person who organized a boycott against video stores that carried porn until they dropped it. Or against cable owners til they dropped the playboy channel or like programming. Can't have it both ways.
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#235961 - 04/18/07 04:24 PM
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Registered: 02/23/05
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It is my understanding that this board's stance is that censorship is bad- I would like to think that this sentiment applies to all forms of free speech not just in regard to pornography, no matter how unsavory those words may be.
How do you define censorship?
Heidi said this:
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And political correctness IS a scourge. It tethers free thought and open debate by outlawing ideas as "inappropriate" or "insensitive". It's the worst kind of covert thought-policing.
As I understand the situation, nothing was 'outlawed' and nothing was censored. This is a situation of balancing market forces. The athletes don't have the national platform that Imus has, and can't really fight back. Sharpton does (leaving aside the fact that he is a charlatan).
As a result, the athletes got an opportunity to speak and they said "Fuck you Imus, and fuck the companies that do business with you. If you continue to support Imus we will use our free speech to organize boycotts of your businesses and to call you racist."
So my position is entirely the same as yours, that
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Yes, Imus' dismissal was justified, and the smart thing for the network to do from a PR standpoint.
I agree that Imus (and every other crackpot moron) should be free to say whatever the hell they want, but that doesn't mean that the subjects of their diatribe have only two choices (listen or turn it off). They have another choice too - bitch and moan, organize and fight back using whatever free speech rights and market leverage available to them.
Censorship would be the government sending Imus to Gitmo for 5 years to stop him from talking.
A more immediate XPT-specific example, would be the banning or threatened banning of Raoul, Darth and um YOU! You shouldn't be banned because you say idiotic things that clutter up the board - that's censorship; however, if everyone else lobbied Jeff and Malice, threatened to start a new board or to otherwise make trouble for them, they would gas all three of you without hesitation. That's not censorship - that's managing your brand.
As a final note, in answer to your comment that:
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You live in the United States of America.
Actually I don't, although I do prefer your pornography and football to ours.
Edited by soopergrizz (04/18/07 04:28 PM)
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#235962 - 04/18/07 04:26 PM
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Fuck - too many more of these long-winded posts and I'll be accused of being Burg's alt-id. yours truly, Darth, er , Grizz 
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#235963 - 04/18/07 04:30 PM
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Soop as long as you are just as upset at the rappers who speak against women or the comedians who throw out the slurs against all races then I have no problem with your opinion, But when racism and sexism are perceived as a one way street that is when I get confused.
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#235965 - 04/18/07 05:03 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Ah but those rappers are still making millions for the record companies as we speak- no one marches to get them to stop giving them a platform. Imus is screwed- he cannot work in the field again for years most likely ( as soon as someone hires him the protests will most likely begin anew . Again I do not like Imus,the issue just smacks of hypocrisy to me.
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#235968 - 06/03/10 09:36 PM
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