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#235770 - 04/10/07 08:37 PM Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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April 10, 2007 — The office of Attorney General Roy Cooper will announce that he is dismissing all charges against three Duke Lacrosse players, ABC News has learned from sources close to the case. The reasons that will be cited for the dismissal are not yet known.

The three players, Reade Seligmann, David Evans and Collin Finnerty were facing charges of first degree kidnapping and first degree forcible sexual offense. The charges stem from an off-campus party on the night of March 13, 2006. In the hours after the party, one of two dancers hired to perform for the players claimed she had been violently raped in a bathroom by members of the lacrosse team.

The players had also been indicted for first degree rape, but that charge was dismissed on Dec. 22, 2006.



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#235771 - 04/10/07 08:40 PM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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About fucking time. Will the AG be charging the lying Ho? What's her name? Tawana?
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#235772 - 04/11/07 05:41 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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About fucking time. Will the AG be charging the lying Ho? What's her name? Tawana?




She needs to spend some quality time in a penal institution. The DA also needs to have the opportunity to have boy friend named Bubba.
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#235773 - 04/11/07 06:24 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Since I know your going to ask, prosecutors have absolute prosecutoral immunity from civil claims under state law. While I would like to see the immunity challenged based on Nifong's intentional bad acts, such as withholding key evidence, it would be a bad precedednt to set. Every defendant would claim the prosecutor did something intentional to secure a conviction. Prosecutors are still liable to ethics complaints and disbarment. The ethics charges in this case will require that he step down before too long anway, so justice is done...sort of.

There is a potential federal civil rights claim under section 1983, but that will hinge on the role Nifong was playing when he madwe those bad acts. The Supreme Court case Imbler v. Pachtman (1976) is often cited in discussion of prosecutorial misconduct. There, the court distinguished between "those aspects of the prosecutor's responsibility that cast him in the role of an administrator or investigative officer rather than that of advocate" [that is, a prosecutor]. It is only as a prosecutor that a D.A. has absolute immunity.

Otherwise, his immunity is qualified; he is not automatically immunized against misconduct that he should have known was a violation of law.

In short, Nifong’s immunity hinges upon the role he was playing when he acted, not upon the actions he took. For example, most of the press conferences held by Nifong occurred before an indictment was sought-- that is, before he became an advocate in a prosecution. The case was in the investigative phase. If the defense can prove Nifong knowingly made false statements then, prosecutorial immunity won’t necessarily protect him against a suit.

Consider the tainted photo I.D. upon which the indictments drew.

It was widely reported that Nifong directed the police to violate their own suspect-identification procedures.

Namely, he omitted non-suspects from the photo lineup and the accuser was told that all photos were of Duke lacrosse players who had been at the scene of the alleged rape. If this is true, then Nifong acted as an investigator and has qualified immunity.

Now where are the "gang of 88"? They have some :bannana crow: to eat.

NOTE: Large portions of this post were cut and pasted from the net, lest some retard with a hardon claim plagarism. If you want more effort than that, let me know who to send my bill to.
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#235774 - 04/11/07 06:46 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Lawyers should have to face as many legal restrictions to practice their craft as doctors do. I would like to see some sort of malpractice insurance set up to protect the American people against the worst of these pieces of shit. That would so fulfill my sense of karma.

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#235775 - 04/11/07 06:54 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Lawyers should have to face as many legal restrictions to practice their craft as doctors do. I would like to see some sort of malpractice insurance set up to protect the American people against the worst of these pieces of shit. That would so fulfill my sense of karma.




Most states do have client protection funds that are funded by bar dues. I don't dissagree about malpractice claims. Its just a little different when you are talking about government lawyers. No one would do the job if they could be personally liable for a mistake.
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#235776 - 04/11/07 07:10 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Most states do have client protection funds that are funded by bar dues.




I doubt that amounts to much over they' re own hourly rate. They need to face the same restrictive costs that doctors face. I mean Jesus fucking Christ they do ruin as many lives.

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No one would do the job if they could be personally liable for a mistake




The thing about doctors is that there is always someone ready to wade in to save someones life. I don't think you can say the same about lawyers.

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#235777 - 04/11/07 07:22 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Since I know your going to ask, prosecutors have absolute prosecutoral immunity from civil claims under state law. While I would like to see the immunity challenged based on Nifong's intentional bad acts, such as withholding key evidence, it would be a bad precedednt to set. Every defendant would claim the prosecutor did something intentional to secure a conviction. Prosecutors are still liable to ethics complaints and disbarment. The ethics charges in this case will require that he step down before too long anway, so justice is done...sort of.

There is a potential federal civil rights claim under section 1983, but that will hinge on the role Nifong was playing when he madwe those bad acts. The Supreme Court case Imbler v. Pachtman (1976) is often cited in discussion of prosecutorial misconduct. There, the court distinguished between "those aspects of the prosecutor's responsibility that cast him in the role of an administrator or investigative officer rather than that of advocate" [that is, a prosecutor]. It is only as a prosecutor that a D.A. has absolute immunity.

Otherwise, his immunity is qualified; he is not automatically immunized against misconduct that he should have known was a violation of law.

In short, Nifong’s immunity hinges upon the role he was playing when he acted, not upon the actions he took. For example, most of the press conferences held by Nifong occurred before an indictment was sought-- that is, before he became an advocate in a prosecution. The case was in the investigative phase. If the defense can prove Nifong knowingly made false statements then, prosecutorial immunity won’t necessarily protect him against a suit.

Consider the tainted photo I.D. upon which the indictments drew.

It was widely reported that Nifong directed the police to violate their own suspect-identification procedures.

Namely, he omitted non-suspects from the photo lineup and the accuser was told that all photos were of Duke lacrosse players who had been at the scene of the alleged rape. If this is true, then Nifong acted as an investigator and has qualified immunity.

Now where are the "gang of 88"? They have some :bannana crow: to eat.

NOTE: Large portions of this post were cut and pasted from the net, lest some retard with a hardon claim plagarism. If you want more effort than that, let me know who to send my bill to.




Moxie, understand the immunity piece, since without it every criminal sitting in a jail cell would clog the courts with frivolous attempts to prevail in a tort case against their prosecutor, but I'm always suspecious of both the Bar and the AMA policing their own. Most examples I've seen end up with slaps on the wrist. That being said, Nifong's case has so much national attention believe the NC Bar will have to come down hard if he's found to have violated the tenants of the bar.
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#235778 - 04/11/07 10:34 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Since I know your going to ask, prosecutors have absolute prosecutoral immunity from civil claims under state law. ...




That's too bad, in Canada they only have immunity if they are acting "in good faith."

The tort is called "Malicious Prosecution".

The most famous case in Canada (they actually teach it in high schools) is of David Milgard - he was convicted of murder at age 16 and more than 20 years his case was taken up by member of parliament Lloyd Axworthy who addressed parliament (in 1991) and called out the government on the case:

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"...I wish to speak of a travesty of justice. I speak of the plight of David Milgaard who has spent the last twenty-one years of his life in prison for a crime he did not commit. Yet for the last two years, the Department of Justice has been sitting on an application to reopen his case…. But rather than review these conclusive reports, rather than appreciate the agony and trauma of the Milgaard family, the Minister of Justice refuses to act."




The Supreme Court of Canada convened to have a special hearing (with live witnesses for the first time) which exonerated Milgard. He successfully sued the gov't for malicious prosecution and received a settlement/compensation package of $10 million.

There was a commission of inquiry which found a police coverup of exculpatory evidence.

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#235779 - 04/11/07 12:19 PM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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This absolutely blows me away! I have never heard a prosecutor bash another at all, no less to this extent. Understand these investigations are usually very even handed. I simply cannot believe how thoroughly he is destroying Nifong.


RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - Prosecutors dropped all charges Wednesday against the three Duke lacrosse players accused of sexually assaulting a stripper at a party, saying the athletes were innocent victims of a "tragic rush to accuse" by an overreaching district attorney.
"There were many points in the case where caution would have served justice better than bravado," North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper said in a blistering assessment of Durham County District Mike Nifong's handling of the case.

Cooper, who took over the case after Nifong was charged with ethics violations that could get him disbarred, said his own investigation concluded not only that the evidence against the young men was insufficient, but that no attack took place.

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#235780 - 04/11/07 01:24 PM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Since I know your going to ask, prosecutors have absolute prosecutoral immunity from civil claims under state law.




It varies state-to-state - are you saying North Carolina has absolute immunity here? My dad, a retired Texas judge, glanced very casually at it and though the Duke players might have a case depending on NC statute and case law there, and even thought the team coach might be worth looking at. You'd probably need someone from within Nifong's office to testify that the charges were brought to further Nifong's election and not due to a belief in guilt.

Yes - the AG's statements are remarkable! I suspect they won't be exchanging friendly greetings at the state bar convention any time soon...
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#235781 - 04/11/07 02:00 PM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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It varies state-to-state - are you saying North Carolina has absolute immunity here? My dad, a retired Texas judge, glanced very casually at it and though the Duke players might have a case depending on NC statute and case law there, and even thought the team coach might be worth looking at. You'd probably need someone from within Nifong's office to testify that the charges were brought to further Nifong's election and not due to a belief in guilt.

Yes - the AG's statements are remarkable! I suspect they won't be exchanging friendly greetings at the state bar convention any time soon...





I suspect that Nifong has seen his last prosecutors convention. He will have more meaningful interaction with George Holding.

State law will not matter in this case as I understand from sources I trust that a federal probe is pending. Under federal law the immunity can be qualified or absolute depending on the role the prosecutor was playing when engaged in the misconduct. If you want to know more about the federal aspect try this Immunity Law review Article

One interesting theory I heard around the water cooler today was that if Nifong is disbarred that he could lose his immunity.

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#235782 - 04/11/07 03:58 PM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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"One interesting theory I heard around the water cooler today was that if Nifong is disbarred that he could lose his immunity."


Interesting, if one of his own is ready in public to throw him to the wolves this might be a good thing and an excellent example. The sacraficial lamb to keep all of the local boys up for reelection in line for the next 5-10 years........
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#235783 - 04/12/07 06:23 PM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Leave it to the lads at the New York Post. Here she is, boys, The Face Of Evil:




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#235784 - 04/12/07 07:31 PM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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Leave it to the lads at the New York Post. Here she is, boys, The Face Of Evil:







Look I did alot of frat things in my day......Bring in the hookers for a dance and lesbo scene and then give a Frosh pledge a free piece on the band stage kind of thing.......Yes, true, true.....But this chic was probably fucked up on something and just went off the deep end and then the ball started rolling.....White upper crust boys; Black female stipper; DA up for reelection........Add some matches and you got a fire......

I hope Nifong loses his house in the Tort case.....Cause he let everyone down.....
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#235785 - 04/13/07 08:25 AM Re: Duke Non Rape charges Dismissed
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