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#232296 - 03/31/07 12:47 AM
do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Porn Jesus
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like, who joins them for 30 bucks a month?
you always hear about girls paying webmaster's to make them sites, but why?
can't you find more free pictures and videos in a few minutes elsewhere now? plus, whatever "content" a chick shoots herself is going to be inferior to the scenes she shoots for real companies with real cameras and shit, no?and i'd think now that every chick is on myspace, that's about the most interactive you can get with them. is this a dead industry or just dying? does anyone here belong to a clublisasparxx.com type site?
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#232297 - 03/31/07 12:57 AM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 02/11/07
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I did pay sites when I first had a real job, my own apartment and my own internet for the first time. This was long before they were all "Club (insert pornwhore)" I quickly came to realize that it was as big a waste of my money as going to the Titty Bar every week. So that didn't last too long.
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#232298 - 03/31/07 02:00 AM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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No they typically dont, but they could. In my opinion and in my imagination, a porn chick willing to put the right thought and effort into her site and stick with it, with a consistent and well thought out "Theme" designed to maximize her fans (i.e. the "MARKET") overall value (i.e. their quality and joy of whacking off), a chick could VERY well make money off her website. I can easily see and conceptualize it, and if only the right chick would but ask of me to help her in this area, I'd make her the next "porn equivalent of Queen-for-a-day." But alas, as just about the sharpest blade in the porn chick drawer, Gia Jerdanzig, has aptly pointed out, the problem is porn chick's are LAZY....even baby G self admittedly suffers from this affliction, and the requisite 'effort and consistency' I mentioned before hand goes out the door.....Which is tragic, because the amount of (weekly) effort that I envision to make a chick's website a success is actually small, once everything gets going and set up. If I thought Monstar didnt despise me, I would offer him up my 'conceptual visualization' of marketing and maintaining a profitable website/online jerkoff experience he could offer as part of the "Star Factory" experience. or if there was just one, semi-hott, non lazy, eager and enthusiastic porn chick with a basic website already built I could work with.... 
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#232299 - 03/31/07 05:35 AM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
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Loc: Baltimore, MD
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I don't belong to any porn whore sites, and have always wondered if they make any money for anyone other than the webmaster?
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#232300 - 03/31/07 06:50 AM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Loc: New York
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Does anyone have any hard numbers. I'm going over the Kira Kenner lawsuit and the one area I can't plug a value into is the amount of income from her website that she shared with Vivid.
Personally, I would never join a performers website when I could join a site like Naughty America or the Cumfiesta sites that has new content of diferent girls everyweek.
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#232302 - 03/31/07 12:13 PM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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Does anyone have any hard numbers. I'm going over the Kira Kenner lawsuit and the one area I can't plug a value into is the amount of income from her website that she shared with Vivid.
Personally, I would never join a performers website when I could join a site like Naughty America or the Cumfiesta sites that has new content of diferent girls everyweek.
Well those two sites (NA and CF) are good examples highlighting key elements of what is needed for success especially for an individual pornchick's site. You said it....the fact that these two companies have NEW, fresh talent and scenes EVERY week make them a popular and PROFITABLE enterprise.
The same would hold true for the personal fansite of <insert name of pornchick>; almost every girl has her legion (of varying size) of fans, most of whom would definitely join and pay for an ongoing membership IF she kept putting up Fresh content and doing different things each week, several days during the week, to make her site seemingly hott, nasty and "fresh" enuff for today's typically warped and jaded porn fan. Even Our own young, up and coming Sex Industry ICON, Ceara "Lunch"/Lynch, has picked up on this simple fact and mixed up the various Fetishes she will cater to and indulge in....Variety and freshness are the operative terms here folks.
For instance, imagine Big titted Gianna Michaels had a website launched that started with 10 never-before scenes featuring her that were shot specifically for her website. And every Monday (or even every OTHER Monday... updates every 2 weeks would work IF she was consistent and IF the scenes didnt suck but were strokeworthy) she put up a new scene for her fans. They'd go for it for sure....and if she mixed it up every now and then, and allowed her fan(s) to pick and choose the type of scene she shot next, and what the scene actually encompassed and how it played out, well this would only attract even more perverts forking over the dough to join and thus be able to have a "say" in where Gianna takes the next load of Jizz.
Every Wednesday she updated her website's personal calendar and personal Blog/Diary telling everyone where she would be next dancing, or what she would be shooting, along with a few words/blurbs about what she thinks or how she feels about what she is doing (like her past experiences dancing at CLUB xyz, or dancing in the City Of XXXX in general as compared to other places....how she feels about shooting her upcoming double penetration scene in Chicago, why she likes shooting POV Bj scenes or handjobs, etc .... why she likes working with performer So-and-so, ANYTHING to momentarily capture the attention of her fans and give them something to read, watch or think about.
On Thursdays, she would post her fresh photo(s) of the week, something featuring her in a sexy, or funny, or otherwise interesting scene (like GIA Jhoredan did/does with her Road Trip Photos to places like New Orleans....remember, a pornchick's legion of fans will eat that stuff up, so long as she is consistent and does'nt suck with what she presents. Photos can be even more strokeable than vids, if they are hott enough. Gianna would get a lot of mileage from having even just one NEW never before seen photograph of something even totally simple and basic and REAL, like a cellphone picture in her "MEMBERS ONLY" section of her with a freshly shot load of jizz on her tongue about to be gobbled for all the world to see, or a totally fucking gross photo of her getting her enema before her Anal scene on the set for "XXXXXX" shot the previous week.....you follow? Bonus points for a gross scat-type photograph capturing the evacuation of said enema...remember her legion of "fan-boyos", and even otherwise disinteretsed bystanders will want to peek at the turds coming out her butthole. Basically, according to Burglar's Marketing Acumen, Turd Pictures
= $ucce$$ for the website.
Saturdays or Sundays (once or twice a month) would be CHAT day with her fans, along with a 20 minute webcam strip show they could view and jerk off to (which she could also save and allow others to play it back and download later as a video off the website for more "new and fresh" content.)
Throw in some personally written erotica about how "horny she is when this happens" or what she fanatsizes about at night, and her fans would love reading that shit too. Go look at Gia du' Jour-dansk's website for an ideal framework and imagine somehthing like that properly maintained and updated for the right pornchick, and you would have a moneymaker of sufficient scope to justify a whore's investment of time and work. Again, assuming she does not cave in to laziness...if she does then the game is up....
If all this was done consistently and correctly from the start, which would make the seemingly large amount of effort or work needed RATHER light in fact, it would be a success. But alas...the laziness of porn chicks knows no boundaries.
Seriously, hoe often do you hear fanboys throw tantrums because their here-to-fore favorite whore's website has'nt updated anything in "months"? All the fucking time, which suggests EVEN a paltry and pathetic small amount of work/updating would probably turn a lot of these idle websites into at least SMALL moneymakers right away.
Lets ask Holly what she thinks....Holly you update your website frequently with new and fresh filthy pornography for you legion of fans to whack off to....do you think many of the girls could make a decent chunk of change off their website(s) if they simply put up new and fresh content once in a while??? You do content exchange shoots with talent all the time, so where is all this "content" going? I have heard of and seen a lot of these so-called "Content exchange" types of shoots done between performers....and it simply SITS on disks as months, even years go by and the performers' sites remaing unupdated. What gives in your opinion Holly?
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#232303 - 03/31/07 03:25 PM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/28/04
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Loc: The Planet Houston
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If I thought Monstar didnt despise me, I would offer him up my 'conceptual visualization' of marketing and maintaining a profitable website/online jerkoff experience he could offer as part of the "Star Factory" experience.
i'm paid to promote the girl/brand, i can offer advice/opinion, but generally my girls are happy with their websites.
you can try to give some trollop a word to the wise but the problem is, you can talk to these chicks all day long about stuff like that but they don't wanna hear it.
recently i was talking to a girl (who is not star factory) that was about to start feature dancing. being a nice guy, i tried to give her a couple of tips on promoting, who to send the info, pix to, etc.
did she listen to me? of fuckin' course not.
life is too valuable to waste. i could have been taking a nap instead of wasting my breath. 
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#232304 - 03/31/07 03:30 PM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Registered: 05/06/04
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Spring Thomas
wifey's world
christine young
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#232305 - 03/31/07 03:45 PM
Re: do porn star's paysites make any money now?
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 07/30/06
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Aren't these girls listed above mainly internet work anyways? I did iafd searches on Spring Thomas and Christine Young and only very few videos listed for either(ST-3 movies, CY-18 movies).
I think the original poster was referring to the chicks who shoot a lot of video and dvd material, not one's who mainly work on the internet.
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#232306 - 03/31/07 05:12 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/09/05
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i hear that girls with sites a la raven riley do make serious cheddar (or at least their backers do), but the market is getting seriously saturated. the fact that you are 18, vaguely cute and have a vagina does not equal instant cash anymore.
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#232307 - 03/31/07 06:08 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
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I know for a fact that Lori Lust gets millions of hits and she makes billions of dollars.
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#232308 - 04/01/07 04:24 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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Spring Thomas
wifey's world
christine young
Ditto on these, plus as mentioned, girls like Raven Riley and Liz Vicious (have you checked this girl out yet, King?) are doing serious numbers. But they are all largely internet exclusive, so there's nowhere else (read: competing product) that you can see them.
To successfully run a site around one girl is pretty difficult in the long run. If the girl ups and quits, you're fucked. 
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#232309 - 04/01/07 07:46 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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I did pay sites when I first had a real job, my own apartment and my own internet for the first time. This was long before they were all "Club (insert pornwhore)" I quickly came to realize that it was as big a waste of my money as going to the Titty Bar every week. So that didn't last too long.
Yes, but at least the titty bar I can get a chick to grind on my lap. That one $20 song is far better than reading the diary of some whore who just got fucked by any random stuntcock for a month, all while fibbing to her devoted fanbois that she's horny & single for $30/month.
It's kind of like the Uncle Sam posters with the "I want YOU..." slogan on them, and the dopes just drool their money away. Take a look at any of the losers on ADT who get an instant hard-on when a whore finally opens her page to the viewing public. Like fucking on camera, it's just another business for the whores. What about Kinzie, didn't she already sell her site, only to begin a new one? Lastly, you have the Ben "Pornstarking" Protzman jerkoffs who make the same website with different colors & slap a whore's name on it.
I don't know how websites with a 3-day trial period make any money. I'm guessing that is where alot of the free net content (Freeones.com, etc.) is yanked from.
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#232310 - 04/01/07 01:04 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
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Porn chick websites are a thing of the past. Americans have a 10 second attention span. Unless you dazzle them with all kinds of new shit all the time, they won't give you the time of day. Plus, the porn website formula in general is broken. Take any 'successful' website... BangBros for example, but you can substitute any you like. I can sign up for $23.95 and take my broadband connection and download everything - pictures and videos - from all 12 sites in less than 5 days and cancel my subscription well before I get screwed for another month. So they got me for $23.95... what a killing! I got them for fucking 10 years worth of shoots that probably cost them several hundreds thousand dollars to shoot. What the fuck is that????? A tenth of a percent return on the investment??? You'd fucking fire your investment advisor in a second if he did that poorly with $100. I can fix this with a simple paragraph, but I charge consulting and management fees. 
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#232312 - 04/01/07 02:48 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
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[I think alot of people would rather not have do the equivalent of hiding their porn under the mattress.
In web porn, there is a ton of churn. the vast majority of users max a site out as fast as they can to save money.
The only reason you'd have to "hide it under the mattress" is if your wife or girlfriend is an overbearing cunt. Most porn consumers with balls, just fill up their hard drive and then run out and get an external when its full for more porn.
Since computers have this amazing thing called password protected logins for different users on the same computer and really big hard drives nowadays you can download a ton without anyone suspecting a thing.
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#232314 - 04/01/07 09:07 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I can sign up for $23.95 and take my broadband connection and download everything - pictures and videos - from all 12 sites in less than 5 days and cancel my subscription well before I get screwed for another month.
EXACTLY! And as such, I did just that this evening on a non-porn chick's site, I opted for a 3-day trial just to see what her members photos were like. It cost me $5.95 and I downloaded about 80 of her photos, most of which absolutely sucked in terms of quality. Mind you, the monthly subscription was $29.95. Anyone who pays that is out of their fucking mind, and would undoubtedly be pissed off if they came for quality photos of this wanna-be whore.
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#232316 - 04/01/07 11:31 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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Thanks for the input, I'm looking through the Kira Kenner lawsuit, on which my initial opinion was that it was a piece of shit. I'm trying to figure out how the revenue split from her website factored in. I surmised that no one joins performer websites, especially for a washed up whore like Kira. I think everyone is confirming my thoughts.
I am very surprised that there has been so little discussion of the Kira Kener lawsuit online. I'm pretty sure everything is airtight on Vivid's end re:royalties and payouts, and it's just a case of Kira not being able to comprehend that, as far as Joe Q. Public is concerned, she's not as hot as she seems to think she is.
However, with regards to what went on on-set with Paul Thomas and catching the STD...that's where I think she has got herself a case. It's gonna be interesting to see the outcome of this one...
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#232317 - 04/01/07 11:58 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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How about asking Mia or Holly? They have pay sites, I know Holly'$ rolling  in doe.
C'mon...you can't seriously use Holly's site as a comparative example as to how well/poorly other girls' sites are performing.
The only way this comparison could possibly work would be if Holly set up her own site and posted pictures and videos of herself getting naked and doing rude things. I know Da Burglar would front her the startup cash.
Joking aside though, it's pretty obvious why people would opt to join Suze.net rather than a single girl site. If I have a thing for Aria Giovanni, Sunny Leone (who both have extremely well done sites), and, I dunno, let's say Veronika Zemanova as well. I could spend a little under $100 (per month) subscribing to their three individual sites, or I could just subscribe to Suze's site and get all 3 in one place (plus a shedload of other girls spanning the length and breath of Randall Sr.'s career) for about a third of the cash. Quality, variety, quantity vs. cost. It's simple math.
Also, Suze and co. know their respective asses from third base in terms of photography, lighting, styling, and all-around production value...the content on some of these lesser single girl sites is amateurish at best, and that's being pretty charitable...
All this talk has got me thinking. Does Sasha Grey have her own site yet? Hopefully with a forum that can be invaded by ADT fanbois beseeching her to do 'anal fruit salads' while discussing the relative merits of Barthes and Derrida, or perhaps reading selected quotations from Camus? Boy, that would be something to see.... 
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