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#232132 - 03/30/07 08:09 AM
Porn Economics
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Loc: New York
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Can someone explain the basics of porn Economics to me. For a business where girls get into it for the sake of money, it does not seem like the money outweighs the negatives (exposure to STD's, having a shot out gaping snatch and Ahole by 25, being in diapers by 30, mental issues from being a whore driving you to drugs, creating a record a debasement that will travel with you for the rest of your life.)
If a new porn whore makes $500-$1000 per scene and shoots 12 scenes a month, thats somewhere in the neiborhood of $70-140K a year. Thats crap for a business that basically ruins you and in which you have an average carreer of 2-3 years. Even double that is crap. Granted more than working in Walmart, but crap nonetheless.
So please clarify so I can get a better understanding of whether I am wrong on the economics :
1. Average performer fee per scene.
2. Average Director Fee.
3. Average gross per film.
4. Where is the money in this supposed multi billion dollar business going?
Thanks.
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#232133 - 03/30/07 09:34 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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female talent $800-$1500 depending on double anal, double vag, oral, girl girl.
male talent $600-$800
location - varies
lighting - $400
sound - $400
cameraman - $500/day
photographer - $250/day
It fluctuates so much it is hard to narrow down to what one movie can cost. How many group scenes are in the video. How many anal. How many scenes total.
The economics have changed a lot really. It used to be $22k would do a nice feature with a solid feature performer like Asia or Brianna. $16k a respectable gonzo. Now a reasonable feature can be shot for $18k and a reasonable gonzo $12k-$14k.Costs are always being driven down. What the director gets varies. If they are freelance on a per project rate, they get the worst deals $1500 - $3000 isn't too far off for an average director. If they own the product, they do much better.
Yes there are exceptions to this. There are girls who get paid $3k-$5k for their first anal. There are directors who might make $4k freelancing a project. There are cameramen who might get a grand.
When you get into the distribution logistics, that can be all over the map. Do you have a low end distributor? Are you with Evil Angel? It ranges really from maybe $8 - $20 a DVD. Out the door 2000 domestic is a nice number. The upper end might do 3000. The lower end 800. Obviously Vivid or Wicked can do much higher or any time you factor in catalog sales you might kick ass on reorders. You have to factor in overseas sales which a really good deal would be 1000 pieces in Europe.
Again it is nice to pay for your product out the door or even make a bit extra. Reorders are where the money is at. It's similar to the Internet world and rebills. If you finish out a project with 5k pieces you are really patting yourself on the back these days. It's fairly uncommon for the middle of the road companies these days though.
Then you have to factor in other things like cable sales. Then there is the online streaming distribution which is taking over.
It used to be that DVD's alone could make someone money. Today, almost all of us are supplementing our DVD sales with Internet or small chump change cable deals. Make no mistake that it is still a profitable business, it just isn't as easy anymore.
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#232134 - 03/30/07 09:45 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 02/11/07
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Hmmmm... Maybe he does know his shit after all. Well done, Darth.
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#232135 - 03/30/07 10:58 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 06/05/05
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Loc: Great America
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Hmmmm... Maybe he does know his shit after all. Well done, Darth.
its jules
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#232136 - 03/30/07 11:59 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 698
Loc: CA
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female talent $800-$1500 depending on double anal, double vag, oral, girl girl.
male talent $600-$800
location - varies
lighting - $400
sound - $400
cameraman - $500/day
photographer - $250/day
It fluctuates so much it is hard to narrow down to what one movie can cost. How many group scenes are in the video. How many anal. How many scenes total.
The economics have changed a lot really. It used to be $22k would do a nice feature with a solid feature performer like Asia or Brianna. $16k a respectable gonzo. Now a reasonable feature can be shot for $18k and a reasonable gonzo $12k-$14k.Costs are always being driven down. What the director gets varies. If they are freelance on a per project rate, they get the worst deals $1500 - $3000 isn't too far off for an average director. If they own the product, they do much better.
Yes there are exceptions to this. There are girls who get paid $3k-$5k for their first anal. There are directors who might make $4k freelancing a project. There are cameramen who might get a grand.
When you get into the distribution logistics, that can be all over the map. Do you have a low end distributor? Are you with Evil Angel? It ranges really from maybe $8 - $20 a DVD. Out the door 2000 domestic is a nice number. The upper end might do 3000. The lower end 800. Obviously Vivid or Wicked can do much higher or any time you factor in catalog sales you might kick ass on reorders. You have to factor in overseas sales which a really good deal would be 1000 pieces in Europe.
Again it is nice to pay for your product out the door or even make a bit extra. Reorders are where the money is at. It's similar to the Internet world and rebills. If you finish out a project with 5k pieces you are really patting yourself on the back these days. It's fairly uncommon for the middle of the road companies these days though.
Then you have to factor in other things like cable sales. Then there is the online streaming distribution which is taking over.
It used to be that DVD's alone could make someone money. Today, almost all of us are supplementing our DVD sales with Internet or small chump change cable deals. Make no mistake that it is still a profitable business, it just isn't as easy anymore.
You've done a nice job illustrating the problem with being in the lower end of production these days.
So you shell out $16k for a 'respectable' gonzo film, of which 'talent' got $10k, so you can clear 2000 units.
Unless you're actually getting half of the MSRP on a DVD (lets assume its $29.95 - which most aren't) your only going to gross $14K a film, but once you take out post production, DVD replication costs, retail packaging, warehousing, shipping and the distributors percentage your talking an easy $10K off the top. This means you're making only $4K off a shoot that ultimately ended up costing you $26K or more to get into the market - not accounting for theft, where your titles are 'falling off trucks.'
Meanwhile, retailers are making way more money than you off your title - for shelf space. Has anybody actually walked into a porn shop lately??? DVD titles range anywhere from $29.95 all the way up to $89.95 for fetish shit. You're making $2 a unit off busting your ass getting the product to market and Jimmy, sitting behind the counter smoking cigs (not in CA) looking like a serial killer, is raking in $30 -$50 a unit.
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#232137 - 03/30/07 12:14 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Loc: New York
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Thanks for the framework Darth/Jules. So I guess my assumption on performer income was in line. 12 scenes a month sounds about right? It just doesn't make sense to me that someone would get into porn for that little income. Hookers make more than that. Which is prolly why so many performers are hooking these days.  I assumed the producers were taking advantage of the ho's but they don't seem to be clearing that much either. Oversaturation appears to be the devil in the details. Too many production companies, too many titles and too many performers to see wages or DVD salaes go up. Wonderful news for fans of privates though.
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#232138 - 03/30/07 01:04 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 451
Loc: Houston
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If a new porn whore makes $500-$1000 per scene and shoots 12 scenes a month, thats somewhere in the neiborhood of $70-140K a year. Thats crap for a business that basically ruins you and in which you have an average carreer of 2-3 years. Even double that is crap. Granted more than working in Walmart, but crap nonetheless.
Most of the "new" females tend to shoot a lot more than 12 scenes a month, at least until they saturate the market as the titles are released (the lag factor is months). This varies depending on what they will do, how aggressive they and their agents are about getting them work, and all the usual factors. The smarter ones will start a website, network like crazy and build up a loyal fanbase; marketing themselves by dancing on the feature circuit, going to shows, shooting content for websites, etc.
After they fade away from making movies, they can usually coast on related stuff (some of it mentioned above) or escorting for more than some anonymous hooker would get if they choose to stick with sex work. From what I understand though, the average career of a female performer is under 7 months (with some working a few times and others making it a lengthy career).
While most don't likely invest their earnings properly, a couple year run could set someone up for life if they wanted.
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#232139 - 03/30/07 01:11 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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I can't really fault Darth's figures (although there's no post-production taken into account there), and Xvod is bang on the money, too.
If you're with Evil Angel, you make big bucks at wholesale compared to other companies whose product demands less, and Jules himself is a good example. I don't know what he's earning now per unit wholesale, but when he split from EA I know what he was hoping to get per unit.
The 1000 pieces to Europe Darth reckons on is a little low for most companies. If you can secure a deal by territory (Germany, Spain, France, UK etc.) you can shift more units than that. But as a ball park figure, it's okay.
Wholesale paid price versus retail charged price has always been way off. It's insane that retail can mark up prices however they want and drive down wholesale at the same time.
Factor in IPTV into the deal, and things look a lot better from a producer's point of view. Zero retail cost, zero packaging cost and zero wholesale cost. The sooner DVD dies as a format, the sooner adult producers will start shitting cash once again.
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#232140 - 03/30/07 02:21 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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The 1000 pieces to Europe Darth reckons on is a little low for most companies. If you can secure a deal by territory (Germany, Spain, France, UK etc.) you can shift more units than that. But as a ball park figure, it's okay.
You can take the UK out of that equation...UK stores pay fuck all for DVDs as they have a monopoly on where the product can be sold (Remember...there's no legal mail order of adult DVDs in the UK). UK producers have two options for R18 certified product: Take the pittance the stores offer you, or just sit on thousands of DVDs.
Most store chains will licence stuff like Evil Angel, Private and Hustler and just duplicate their own copies and sell to other stores as well as stocking up their own on the cheap. There are basically 3 big store chains in the UK and a handful of independents, and the big boys don't need to buy from anyone else, unless it's at the price they want, and if you don't sell to them (even at the super low price) you're going to lose even more money because you've got a bunch of product you can't sell anywhere else...it's basically a legalised monopoly
That's why I got out of the distribution game over here and got online instead. 
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#232142 - 03/30/07 10:17 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 698
Loc: CA
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Factor in IPTV into the deal, and things look a lot better...
Got this covered... I'll be making a major announcement about this very topic within the next couple of weeks (why do you think the handle is 'x' vod).
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#232144 - 03/30/07 10:39 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 6005
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those "insider" numbers from darth can be pretty easily found on a few adt posts and john bone's blog
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#232145 - 03/30/07 11:00 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 06/13/06
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Wait, are we talking about the economics of porn producers, or porn whores?
Porn doesn't seem to be particularly lucrative job to me, even with the other financial opportunities it leads to, like licensing rubber twats or feature dancing. But most of the young women entering porn are not likely to use it as a springboard to an investment banking career. For an 18-21 year old, it's a great sum of money. And you get to be "famous" too and have lots of Myspace friends and buy a Humvee - yay!
It's a market subject to the laws of supply and demand like any other, so I assume rates are exactly where they should be. When I see a whore who is truly beautiful, however, like Aurora Snow, for example, I wonder if she knows the opportunity cost she forked over by not working at a high-end Manhattan escort agency, where she could have been pulling in $1000 an hour minimum, plus tips, plus gifts. Even with the agency's cut, it's a better economic proposition. But maybe she and others prefer the certainty of working with those that they already know, and the whole fame angle. I dunno.
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#232146 - 03/30/07 11:11 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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So please clarify so I can get a better understanding of whether I am wrong on the economics :
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Thats crap for a business that basically ruins you and in which you have an average carreer of 2-3 years. Even double that is crap. Granted more than working in Walmart, but crap nonetheless.
The problem is that you're looking at this from the entirely wrong perspective. How many porn whores ever do an analysis, economic or otherwise, of any decision they make?
Analyze with examples: pretend you're 18, have no job skills whatsoever, can't even get a job as a burger flip at the Dairy Queen, have a boy-friend who is even more worthless than you are, and you want to buy him a big-screen TV so he'll really love you forever and not beat you when he gets drunk every night.
2-3 *years*??? We're talking a group that can't be relied on to even plan 2-3 *weeks* to make sure they have each months rent when due, no matter how much they make.
So a porn shoot looks like by far the best deal they can get. Even the future downside may not be that much worse than where they started if they were already on drugs and a cesspool of STDs from hooking before porn.
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#232147 - 03/30/07 11:11 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
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hey jrv, what did you do with padover?
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#232148 - 03/30/07 11:15 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/09/05
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financially, for an 18 with no skills, education or brain, porn is probably the most cash they could make, ever. and if they're smart about it and aren't adverse to having sex for money then it might not be a bad move. but you give up a lot and if all that cash is just going to vanish up your nose or into bernard arnault's pocket then it doesn't seem worth it.
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#232149 - 03/30/07 11:42 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 5750
Loc: ATLANTIC CITY
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Wait, are we talking about the economics of porn producers, or porn whores?
Porn doesn't seem to be particularly lucrative job to me, even with the other financial opportunities it leads to, like licensing rubber twats or feature dancing. But most of the young women entering porn are not likely to use it as a springboard to an investment banking career. For an 18-21 year old, it's a great sum of money. And you get to be "famous" too and have lots of Myspace friends and buy a Humvee - yay!
It's a market subject to the laws of supply and demand like any other, so I assume rates are exactly where they should be. When I see a whore who is truly beautiful, however, like Aurora Snow, for example, I wonder if she knows the opportunity cost she forked over by not working at a high-end Manhattan escort agency, where she could have been pulling in $1000 an hour minimum, plus tips, plus gifts. Even with the agency's cut, it's a better economic proposition. But maybe she and others prefer the certainty of working with those that they already know, and the whole fame angle. I dunno.
Wow pinupmutant! Awesome post, I totally agree with it and have wondered the exact same thing. You belie your intelligence with your reference to "opportunity cost", which i guarantee the only other porn chick who MIGHT understand that, and the context you used it in, is baby Gia J. When I see relatively plain looking porn chicks, I totally understand WHY they do porn instead of just going straight into escorting, its due to the competition factor and that their doing porn will give them a leg up that they need due to their otherwise unremarkable looks. But as you said, in the case of truly, NATURALLY attractive chicks, you have to wonder WHY they would subject themselves to what PORN brings upon them. Even in the case of diseases....Escorts typically use condoms ALWAYS, with the only true exceptions to that rule being those regular, high paying trustworthy regulars/clients who get tested and advise the girl ahead of time of this fact and show her the agreed upon documentation. PORN chicks however WILL contract several STDs during their career as a rule. SHOWS to go YA...
Helps one to understand certain perplexing situations. Like the ROSE sisters. Ava is dope, could definitely start off and charge 750 to 1000 bucks an hour for escorting no problem. On the other hand, Sister Mia, unless she corners the niche market for horny men who want to fuck a chick with elf ears, a taste for speed and a high World of Warcraft aptitude, is going to need a little help if she wants to do privates.....ergo pump out about 100 -125 scenes of pure filth to entice men to pay her for the real thing. Ava figures she needs to support little Sister in this endeavor and goes along even though she doesnt have to. . . . Gen Padova is probably the greatest example of the benfits of Porn in enhancing the sex appeal of an otherwise unremarkable girl.
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#232150 - 03/30/07 11:47 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
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burg-we know the mutant is smart so this doesn't apply in this case.
but i've met scads of pretty dumb people who know what "opp. cost" means and how to use it. it's hardly an accurate barometer of intelligence, they teach you what it is in juco-microeconomics. you're too smart to be so easily-impressed man.
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#232152 - 03/30/07 11:56 PM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/26/03
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#232154 - 03/31/07 12:03 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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burg-we know the mutant is smart so this doesn't apply in this case.
but i've met scads of pretty dumb people who know what "opp. cost" means and how to use it. it's hardly an accurate barometer of intelligence, they teach you what it is in juco-microeconomics. you're too smart to be so easily-impressed man.
Mmmm, I think all this really means is you hang with, and know a superior class and quality of dumb people than i do, when i can tolerate them, and people in general, enough to, in fact, hang with them.
In the sub-sub SUB population of porn whores, I stand by what i said however. Hardly any of them would have known or understood what she meant by opportunity cost if left on its own with no side explanation or hints. Dumb porn whores trump "dumb people" in general I guess....
Edited to add: I almost had to do the Heimlich on John Kenneth.....It was Knockwurst day for lunch in the Adams House Dining hall and JK got a bite stuck in his throat. After 30 seconds of remonstrating he righted himself, but I was all alone with him in one of the side rooms discussing the Marshall Plan and the amount of Sex Gis were having with European Women to speed the economic recovery....who knows where i'd be today if I had saved his life.
Do you remember the Knockwursts they used to serve james? Like Bloated Lincoln Logs dipped in grease.
Edited by Daaaaaaa Burglar! (03/31/07 12:07 AM)
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#232155 - 03/31/07 12:06 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
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do you remember the name of that pop song eddie murphy put out? i'm intent on finding it before i retire for a blissful slumber.
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#232157 - 03/31/07 12:11 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
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awesome, many thanks. he was long gone by the time i was there, at least in terms of physically being on campus with any regularity. i don't specifically-remember any knockwurst, just pooping like a monkey freshmen year.
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#232159 - 03/31/07 12:29 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
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nothing justifies living in ithaca. plus, cornell is actually supposed to require you to do lots of work to graduate.
as an aside, is it true transexuals can survive eating soap?
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#232160 - 03/31/07 12:38 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 02/11/07
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As far as I know, S****T's still breathing, so I guess it's true.
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#232161 - 03/31/07 12:59 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
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As far as I know, S****T's still breathing, so I guess it's true.
S-art ate pale young brazillian transexual boys, not soap. But if anyone would know, it would be him so put on your hazmat gear and continue trolling the streets of Sao Paulo until you find him, and then record his answer.
So getting back on track, even a PROLIFIC PORN WHore like Hillarity Scotch, shooting almost everyday with NO regard for wear and tear on her holes or the impact it will have on her co-performers, will only clear about 150 to 200 grand TOPS in exchange for blowing out her holes and contracting the maximum number of STDs without being banned from the industry or losing crucial anatomical elements (and basically for a period of 1, possibly 2 years), this simply as payment for the PORN in and of itself. She makes whatever else she makes from escorting....right???
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#232162 - 03/31/07 01:05 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Demon Spawn
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Right.
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#232164 - 03/31/07 04:46 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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Porn Jesus
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On the other hand, Sister Mia, unless she corners the niche market for horny men who want to fuck a chick with elf ears, a taste for speed and a high World of Warcraft aptitude, is going to need a little help if she wants to do privatesQuote:
Burg, do not kid yourself. I would be absolutely shocked if Mia Rose was not already doing privates on the down low. During the slowdown there were alot of girls doing privates that you would not believe and for prices that would blow you away.
Really? Spill....let me see if I am blown away.
I was just using Mia as an example, Mia would never do me, no matter what i paid her, if I paid her. She is wheelchair phobic. Her sister is not...but I wouldnt disrespect Ava by paying her for sex either, but I WILL pay Ava to be my date/nurse for the next class reunion. I always pictured taking Gia on such an outing, a non-sex escorting gig back home where she just dotes on me and at the same time analyzes all my former class mates. Then, if she needed sex, I would drop her off at Jamesn's house and pick her up in the Morning in time for the flight back to LA. Gia is the only porn chick I would have ever THOUGHT of paying somewhat close to these ridiculous porn star rates, simply because I KNOW she would be totally serious and professional and not a flake or unappreciative twat. This was before I caused her to hate my guts however....
In the meantime I need to figure out how to convince Jeff that I want to use Ceara in a non-sexual way in a research assistant capacity. Jeff has this cynical view of things that the only reason I would ever give a young chick like Ceara Money would be to tit fuck her or something...so NOT true. I respect these chicks for their MINDS.
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#232165 - 03/31/07 04:52 AM
Re: Porn Economics
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AC Cream Wannabe
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hey burg
$$$
thanks pal
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#232166 - 03/31/07 07:12 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
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I figured a week off for the monthly friend, but I guess BJ scenes during that time can still be done. But I would find it hard to believe a performer could do more than 20 scenes a month so you're talking about $250K a year. Decent money for a begining corporate lawyer. Not so great if you have less than a 5 year career.
A lot of them book multiple scenes a day. It's one of the reasons they get bitchy when a shoot takes a lot longer than they were booked for. I've been told by performers, producers, and performers about the practice (usually when I write that someone must've had an "off" day in a scene and they are trying to explain why). Still, even at $250k/year, most people can live exceptionally well. But it's not about living large and in charge. The median income in the USA is closer to a tenth the number bandied about. How tough do you think it would be for someone to bust their ass (literally) for a few years to 1) buy a house in middle America, 2) set up a financial portfolio giving them a decent sustainable income (living off the interest), and/or 3) getting them educated in a field better than the proverbial flipping burgers?
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I guess it depends on what you mean by set up for life. I make alot more than these figures we are talking about and I still work day in and day out to maintain my standard of living and plan or the future. Keep in mind that a decent home where I live costs over $1M. So having a Mill or so to last you for the rest of your life doesn't impress me. Given the cons of the profession, I'm not sure it pays for itself.
Oh, I'm not advocating it as a profession for most but lets face it, a gal with no marketable skills and a high school diploma (at best), doesn't generally have access to too many high paying jobs, never mind corporate lawyer paying work, unless she works on her back (and doggy, missionary, etc...lol). If you go by the common knowledge numbers, most spend every penny they make with little to show for it. That doesn't mean the opportunity to use the situation isn't there.
So "setting someone up for life" in a comfortable situation will obviously vary a lot; all the way from your million dollar house to a $100K condo. Your house, even when paid off, will require a lot more upkeep and taxes each year but it isn't necessary to live well for most people. I served with people in the military that planned to work their 20, take their 50% (of squat, mind you) and move south of the border to live really well. It's a shame that most in the industry don't hire a professional to figure it all out for them ahead of time but if they did, many might simply skip the idea altogether. 
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#232167 - 03/31/07 08:16 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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Lets just say this. A porn whore who can work for Direct Models for 5 years (yes I know it's a stretch, but stay with me here) could save $300k. She would need to shop at Ross, steal whore cloths from other girls, and stay off the junk, but other than that, it can be done. So what can you do with $300k?
Buy a new 2000 sq/ft house for cash in Texas. Now you have $120k. Need a car right? Now you have $100k. So you have three choices as a porn whore. 1) Goto school and get a nice education. $100k should last you through any Texas GED and 4 year degree program. Keep in mind, you are only 25 so you can hook on the side while going to school.
To walk away from porn and have a house, a car and, college education paid for all before 30 is pretty nice. Most people who have had student loans think it's a nice goal to pay them off before 30, especially for any advanced degree programs.
So what if you've taken 1000 cocks in all your holes. Live the life! However, sadly, 99.9% of porn whores will take 1000's of cocks in all their holes and walk away with nothing but herpes, warts, bad teeth, and a darkened soul.
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#232169 - 04/02/07 10:40 AM
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 02/11/07
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Naaah, Jeff. Doesn't have anywhere near the Monkey's talent.
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#232170 - 04/02/07 05:33 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
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Loc: Houston
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Lets just say this. A porn whore who can work for Direct Models for 5 years (yes I know it's a stretch, but stay with me here) could save $300k. She would need to shop at Ross, steal whore cloths from other girls, and stay off the junk, but other than that, it can be done. So what can you do with $300k?
While I know that a performer "saving" money for their long term benefit is laughed at by most (they go with the numbers), a reasonably busy gal should be able to save more than that in 5 years (even if they are strictly making money from movies without the ancillary income streams). For the first year or two, she should make that much and a decent lawyer/accountant can save her his weight in gold too. 
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Buy a new 2000 sq/ft house for cash in Texas. Now you have $120k. Need a car right? Now you have $100k. So you have three choices as a porn whore. 1) Goto school and get a nice education. $100k should last you through any Texas GED and 4 year degree program. Keep in mind, you are only 25 so you can hook on the side while going to school.
Depending on what the goal is, buying a house may not be the right answer (though you'll find scores of them cheaper here that are in good shape as well), same thing for a car. Getting an education reaps long term benefits for most so even if she had to spend 100k (which would be far more than any of the Universities here that I'm acquainted with), it'd pay off.
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To walk away from porn and have a house, a car and, college education paid for all before 30 is pretty nice. Most people who have had student loans think it's a nice goal to pay them off before 30, especially for any advanced degree programs.
True, but while it would sure make life easier, it wouldn't cover them all the way. That's why I'd say that an attractive gal could clear far more in the 5 year time frame, put it to work while she's still boning for bucks, and have all you say and more. I've met strippers that clear more than that a year working part time (they fly in to work The Men's Club, Rick's, or one of the other clubs; most of their income being tax free cash).
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So what if you've taken 1000 cocks in all your holes. Live the life! However, sadly, 99.9% of porn whores will take 1000's of cocks in all their holes and walk away with nothing but herpes, warts, bad teeth, and a darkened soul.
There are down sides to every line of work. If some chick is fucking guys for free to stay off the street, get "revenge" on her ex, or find the act what helps her get through whatever psychological need she has, so much the better that she enters porn where she can make enough dough to get her into a better life. 
I know some on this forum make a lot more money at "regular" jobs but the vast majority of people in the world do not, nor will they ever, clear 6 figures a year. If someone can save enough money to live off the interest, not that tough considering the numbers bandied about, more power to them. They can then dye their hair back, change their look, and only the most hard up fanboy would recognize them a few years later (hell, they could buy a franchise business or two, pay someone to run it for them, and live off that as well). Given some of the conversations I heard at the AEE this year between performers and fanboys (usually asking for personal items from them; "how much for your panties?" type of stuff), I'm surprised some of these gals aren't clearing a 100K/year on that alone...
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#232171 - 04/02/07 06:22 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Loc: New York
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One of the Greek philosophers noticed that money was the one thing that a man can never get enough of. A whore from the stix that comes to LA and lives a 250K lifestyle is not going to go back to the stix and live her former lifestyle. Its so unrealistic its not even worth considering.
The whore is going to want to continue living the LA lifestyle and will do what she has to to accomplish that. The lazy and shiftless are not suddenly going to get ambition after leaving porn. The thing these girls need more than anything else is a reason to live. If I were 30, had a house and few dollars to live off, I would shoot myself if I didn't have some purpose in the world.
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#232172 - 04/02/07 07:12 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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I disagree. That undermines the entire premise of "Green Acres".
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#232174 - 04/02/07 09:15 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Ironically, I understand that Gauge, a modern day Greek philosopher, moved back to Arkansas to live in a shack.
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That, my friend, was funny as a motherfucker. 
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#232175 - 04/03/07 12:12 AM
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