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#228185 - 04/10/07 02:00 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I tried wearing one of those, but I looked like a cunt.
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#228186 - 04/10/07 02:24 PM
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Gay For Pay
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-i haven't commodified myself yet.
Are you sure?
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- identifying yourself as a product is degrading.
Is it equally degrading for mainstream actors, models, and athletes?
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-yeast-infections are degrading. we're the most-evolved species on the planet so being a human bread-machine is gay.
Yeast infections aren't degrading... they're embarassing. But only if you're the kind of person who's overly concerned with how unenlightened people see you (which I'm quite sure Hillary is not). And humans aren't any more evolved than any other species. And if you meant to say "complex", I'd refer you to the human genome project.
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-identifying yourself as a consumer is empowering. go to a lexus dealership and take over three test drives and be really annoying about asking questions and realize people are degrading themselves by humoring you long after they should have if you weren't a consumer.
-i haven't set a price on who i'd have sex with or whether you get to see me do it. at some level, if i asked for 3.5 million for my first softcore solo scene, isn't that saying i'm more valuable than someone who'll do it for $400?
-the most-visible hookers have bad teeth and stand in traffic without warm clothing when all the good tv is on. you're kind of a hooker if sex is your job.
-unless you're a savage or in a communal prison shower, you're not naked in front of strangers all the time.
-it means you're not homeless if nobody sees you having sex. you've got a place to go other than a park filled with hobos.
-i don't masturbate in public. creepy people do. you're associated with creepy people by doing it.
-if i had an std, i could still go to work for someone other than brandon's employers.
-privacy is a luxury worth 20-million in the hamptons so that you're not seen in a bathing suit. it's worth a million for a celeb not to let people see them naked in photos. spread your asshole for 500? that's like saying you're the burger king of humans.
it's good to feel good and looking down on others makes you feel good.
All in all, valid points. But most are based on a subjective set of moral standards that can't really be applied uniformly... or as you said, are "relative to experience and societal norms". It's fair enough to say "Well, most people would perceive it this way" but that doesn't offer an objective rationale for why they should. That perception is merely a byproduct of cultural biases in a country that continues to view female expressions of sexuality as something shameful. And that points to the central question, which is: why are the female performers, specifically, singled out for condemnation?
I know the Cage isn't the place for this kinda debate. But since it was brought up here -via Willie's c&p of my email- I'm responding here.
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#228187 - 04/10/07 02:29 PM
Re: Poll: Who Gets to Snuff Hyde from XPT
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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Actually, Hyde, the male meatsticks usually have it worse at xpt. The list is a long one...Brandon Irons, Knox, Lockwood, Pumper, Skeeter, etc etc etc.
So maybe this isn't the place because this isn't the crowd practicing what you speak of.
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#228188 - 04/10/07 02:35 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Yes, this was something I only realized when I re-read this entire thread earlier.
William, Bornyo's right. The male posters get a bigger bashing than the chicks, by and large. Seems it's only Grant who's in favor right now, possibly because his posts are infrequent.
Besides, why are we talking about 'boys'? Ewwwwww!
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#228189 - 04/10/07 02:42 PM
Re: Poll: Who Gets to Snuff Hyde from XPT
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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I'm not trying to jump into this pissing match, but I have to say this; meat puppets get ridiculed here based on their actions. Whores get ridiculed here based on their actions and looks. I think the ladies have it worse.
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#228190 - 04/10/07 02:46 PM
Re: Poll: Who Gets to Snuff Hyde from XPT
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Porn Jesus
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XPT imitates the real world, unfortunately. And porn is a sexist business primarily targeted and consumed by men armed only with tissues and a boner. Waddyagonnado?
Men are studs and women are sluts. It's a scientific fact a bartender once told me.
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#228191 - 04/10/07 02:47 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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so you're saying I'm right?
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#228192 - 04/10/07 02:51 PM
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Gay For Pay
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Well the guys get chastised, by and large, for good old fashioned retarded behavior (as do the girls). But the guys typically aren't subjected to the self-righteous, Ford/Burg finger wagging... or tirades about "How on earth could you do this to yourself?!!".
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#228194 - 04/10/07 02:58 PM
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 02/11/07
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Have you been browsing the other place again, Damnit?
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#228195 - 04/10/07 02:58 PM
Re: Poll: Who Gets to Snuff Hyde from XPT
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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(Edit: post was addressed to Hyde)
I'm still not feeling you. By that measure is the advice to the Rose's against going on the Maury Povich show "Why would you do this to yourself"?
Burg will (I am SURE) speak for himself, but overall I think your complaint is better applied elsewhere.
We're fielding some offers for you, btw, in the FPF. Who's your agent?
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#228196 - 04/10/07 03:11 PM
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Gay For Pay
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What's the FPF?
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#228197 - 04/10/07 03:12 PM
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Porn Jesus
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See the Shit List
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#228199 - 04/10/07 04:02 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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William, Bornyo's right.
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so you're saying I'm right?
Absolutely.
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#228202 - 04/10/07 05:26 PM
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Porn Jesus
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All I have to say to William is I wave my finger at all the idiotic, self destructive porn whores in a thoroughly Satirical Finger-waving-Motion. It's intuitive....
But I must ask, why are YOU so gung ho about seeing these wayward, aimless girls do what it is that they are doing? Or are you simply jerking off in a completely satirical manner?
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#228203 - 04/10/07 07:02 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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Not always true - "Jules Jordan is short, Wankus has stupid tattoos, etc." gets thrown around a lot. Plus women don't have to live in fear of the worst accusation of all over here: faggotry.
Not always true? Sure, but you're really grasping here. I don't think anyone but Darth gives a shit how tall Jules is and for the most part I think everyone's tired of hearing about it. I didn't even know wankus had tattoos. 
Post a picture of a 250 lb hairy goon reaming out some nice looking girl who's tummy is poking out a bit because of the camera angle/position/whatever, I bet you anything most of the comments will focus on that.
As far as being called a fag, well, I don't see how that's much different from being called a whore. Except there's only a select few guys that are really getting stamped with this label while the girls in the industry rarely get called anything else.
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#228204 - 04/10/07 07:49 PM
Re: Poll: Who Gets to Snuff Hyde from XPT
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Porn Jesus
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-i haven't commodified myself yet.
W: "Are you sure?"
c'mon, this is is going in the next edition of the dictionary under the word."I'm a product," she said, "And I know that, and I'm a dang good product."-sunny lane said that.
that's commodifying yourself, stuff like being polite and bringing a resume to an interview has no larger commercial intentions.
W: "Is it equally degrading for mainstream actors, models, and athletes? "
it really comes down to hollywood actors can be worth over 20 million a film and if you're going to call yourself "performers" then they're freakishly-better at the same rough-discipline and don't need to bring their own enemas to work.
"And humans aren't any more evolved than any other species"
coelacanth/awesome white shark/crocodiles/etc.
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#228205 - 04/11/07 01:38 AM
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Gay For Pay
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All I have to say to William is I wave my finger at all the idiotic, self destructive porn whores in a thoroughly Satirical Finger-waving-Motion. It's intuitive....
But I must ask, why are YOU so gung ho about seeing these wayward, aimless girls do what it is that they are doing? Or are you simply jerking off in a completely satirical manner?
Anything involving my penis is satirical.
My position isn't that anyone should or shouldn't do porn. I think there are a few people that have their heads on straight enough to get into the industry, be responsible with their money, stay away from the shadier elements, and come away with minimal emotional damage, and more money than they ever would have made working the graveyard shift at Denny's (talk about a dignity extractor). However, those individuals are clearly in the minority, and many more performers are overcome by the vagaries of the industry. It's a hard business, and it ain't for everyone.
My point is simply this: I purchase porn, and thus am part of the economic impetus for women to enter the porn industry. Therefore it would be hypocritical of me to admonish women for choosing a career I'm indirectly subsidizing.
That was the main thrust of my email to Luke. Not that the girls get picked on more than the boys on XPT... but that they're more often the target of moral rebukes, and usually by people who have, or do pay to watch them perform.
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#228206 - 04/11/07 08:21 AM
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Bukkake Boy
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what's expecially weird is the tortured way the word "whore" is used, particularly on this forum. there is constant encouragement from the male posters here to the female posters to engage in more and more extreme and specialized sex acts, and, for those female posters who are not performers to simply post pictures of themselves naked and such. to "embrace your inner whore", or whatever. any admission of freakiness earns female posters instant credibility as "real" whores. ms. lynch has been chided on more than one occasion for being a tease, or a "wannabe whore". her biggest endorsement came from mr. steward informing us all that he was wrong about her, and the posting of a picture that suggested whorish behavior. it's difficult to feel too much sympathy for ms. lynch in this regard, as she actively courts these reactions, but still. this constant pressure to "be a real whore" is very perplexing, given all the attendant baggage placed on the whore. in contrast, the suggestion that a male poster is a faggot is only greeted with one reaction. being a faggot, on this board, is a bad thing to be. no one is making posts encouraging a male poster to push his limits and take it in the ass from another dude, and then says eewwwww, you a faggot. perhaps there is some distinction i am unaware of between engaging in whorish behavior and being a whore? is it like "black people" and "niggers"? because it seems like the real double standard is that young ladies are expected to act a certain way, pressured even, but then once they do they are immediately looked down on and subject to an ever growing list of unfair and nasty "rules", which serve as a kind of prism that we can all observe them through, roll our eyes, and laugh at how whores lie.
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#228207 - 04/11/07 12:28 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Interesting perspective, Big Moose, but not really backed up by some of your previous posts, including:
"all that being said, i loves it when max hardcore makes 'em throws up. he fucks those cute cunts like a maniac!"
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#228209 - 04/11/07 07:44 PM
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