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#22692 - 04/25/04 09:00 AM HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AIDS.
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HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AIDS.

Hustler Director Kris Kramski Writes: The tests that talent in our industry take every 30 days does not detect the presence of HIV. It detects the presence of HIV "antibodies"... The person with a positive result has at one point been exposed to HIV, but fought back by creating "antibodies" against the virus. It means in fact that the person is healthy: Good news!

Mandatory HIV testing every 30 days for performers in the business is a waste of their time and money. Requesting that they use condoms when they shoot a scene may prevent a few STDs infections here and there, but is a useless measure as far as AIDs is concerned. The choice should be left to performers and performers alone, and productions companies should stay out of the whole thing. Productions companies requesting that talent show a current AIDs test on set, are adding to the already excessive amount of paperwork, and by their request, are indirectly bringing undue validity to the assumed need for recurring HIV testing. Directors and producers are required - under the law - to check and document that performers are sober, willing participants at the time of the shoot, and 18 years of age or older. Anything else is an arbitrary and unnecessary.

It has never ever been proven scientifically that HIV causes AIDs. This assertion is a lie destined to terrorize sexually active individuals. Most importantly, it guarantees huge profits to pharmaceutical companies, as well as endless monetary subventions and governmental funding to AIDs research organizations.

Can you remember the early days of AIDS? when we were told it was contagious? Well by now - (if it truly was contagious) we'd be faced with a sizeable epidemic. But the number of people infected has remained low, and mostly contained within specific groups.

As members of the adult industry, we are, in a way, at the forefront of sexual _expression - Other factors can weaken or destroy the immune system. The slow death seen among "AIDs victims is not caused by the HIV virus.

For those convinced that I'm wrong but willing to discuss the matter: Could you ever so kindly educate me and show me the actual sound scientific data that proves (or establishes with a preponderance of probabilities) that HIV is the cause of AIDs. I have searched for this information over the years and have not found it.

To those prompt to crucify me with an air of indignation: Are you displaying bad faith to cover up for your gullibility over the last 20 years?

To all others, relax - the danger is not as real as what we have been conditioned to believe over the years.

If my words here made sense to you, shoot me back a little email ( kramski@pacbell.net )It'll be nice to know that I am not the only one in the industry with similar views.

Thanks for reading.

Best, Kris Kramski

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#22693 - 04/25/04 09:15 AM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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I think Kris has a promising career ahead of him in microbiology.
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#22694 - 04/25/04 07:00 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Nonetheless, I still don't want it.

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#22695 - 04/25/04 07:05 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Somehow I don't buy this guys logic, and think he should stay out of science altogether.
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#22696 - 04/25/04 08:28 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
Steven Millan Offline
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Registered: 04/18/03
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Kris Kramski is an absolute idiot,for HIV is a disease that's primarily the doorway to full-blown AIDS,no matter how many years it takes for that part of the virus to develop(it used to be three,but now its ten and over),and it's the most dangerous of all diseases to catch that's right next to flesh-eating viruses and the Black Plague.
Kris is definitely goign to get an awful lot of hell from this,courtesy of a great many,many people(who are all too numerous to name).
Otherwise,what else can you expect from an idiot who's best known for making the worst XXX documentary on the poon business("XXX"),which happily featured trannies and fat chicks aplenty(that helped easily offend critics and audiences aplenty,as well).
BTW,Kris:

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#22697 - 04/25/04 08:55 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Somehow I don't buy this guys logic.




LOGIC????????

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#22698 - 04/25/04 08:58 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Registered: 06/14/03
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This Kris fellow has his head too deep up his own ass.

First and foremost...HIV by itself is NOT a disease....it is a condition where the virus ends up destroying your natural immune system so that even a common cold can kill you..typically, HIV takes between 5-11 years to develop into AIDS

AIDS is when ur immune system has been totally destroyed and cannot fight anything anymore...AIDS happens because the HIV virus has been in ur body for the above mentioned 5-11 years

Having HIV does not absolutely 100% guarantee that you will have AIDS after a few years, but you can take it for granted that AIDS will come around sooner or later if you carry thr HIV virus in you.

as of today, there is no known cure for either combatting tyhe HIV virus, or preventing AIDS, that is the condition where ur immune system is destroyed, from happening..there are certain medicines available that will DELAY..NOT CURE BUT DELAY, the symptoms of AIDS...note that the HIV virus DOES NOT GET KILLED by these medicines and these medicines are very expensive and like chemotherapy....can have bad side effects.

jeez, i am studying engineering and here I am, imparting biology classes

I need a life

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#22699 - 04/25/04 10:54 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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typically, HIV takes between 5-11 years to develop into AIDS



The time from infection to clinical AIDS can be as short as two years or less. The clinical definition of AIDS has changed quite a bit over the years so it’s hard to compare today’s statistics to those in the mid-1980s, but I know some short periods were seen then. If your immune system is already in bad shape then HIV may not have much more to do...

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AIDS is when ur immune system has been totally destroyed and cannot fight anything anymore...AIDS happens because the HIV virus has been in ur body for the above mentioned 5-11 years



HIV attacks, replicates in, and destroys immune system cells called CD4+ T helper cells. These cells are gradually destroyed, faster than they can be replaced. I think the modern clinical definition of AIDS is when the CD4+ T cell count falls to 20% normal. At that point opportunistic infections begin to be more likely to succeed. Your life expectancy would probably be measured in hours if the count of these cells actually fell to zero.

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Having HIV does not absolutely 100% guarantee that you will have AIDS after a few years, but you can take it for granted that AIDS will come around sooner or later if you carry thr HIV virus in you.



There are HIV carriers who do not develop AIDS. They have an apparently-harmless genetic “defect” that causes the CD4+ T cells to lack a cell wall marker HIV uses to enter the cell. HIV can then replicate only poorly in some phages and is never able to cause illness since the immune system remains intact. These people are sometimes referred to as “asymptomatic long term non-progressors” in scientific papers (calling someone an AIDS carrier sounds really bad).

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there are certain medicines available that will DELAY..NOT CURE BUT DELAY, the symptoms of AIDS...note that the HIV virus DOES NOT GET KILLED by these medicines and these medicines are very expensive and like chemotherapy....can have bad side effects.



I’m a little fuzzy here but as I recall the drugs can completely suppress all HIV activity. The problem is that HIV has already integrated itself into the DNA of some very long-lived cells that may stay dormant for many years, as long as your natural lifespan. Once the drugs are stopped then as dormant cells gradually activate the infection resumes. There is no way to remove HIV from the DNA of infected cells.
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#22700 - 04/26/04 03:19 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Registered: 03/04/04
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why condoms only for porners??

why is our government so fucked up? earlier this year they would not support funding to send condoms and education to countries that have the worst problems with AIDS and other STD's and yet they want to force porners who are actually safer than most people to wear them?!?

They have it back assward.

Fuckin' fascists

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#22701 - 04/26/04 07:39 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
Mike Meatmaster Offline
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Registered: 05/31/03
Posts: 2211
Loc: TX
I do believe that was the federal government and the condoms for porn is the state of california, that explains the difference in policy. I do believe the current federal administration would like no porn at all.
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#22702 - 04/26/04 08:00 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Registered: 01/25/04
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You think a lot of companies would move out of the state?

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#22703 - 04/27/04 06:42 AM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Relax people.Its not going to happen.
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#22704 - 04/28/04 04:01 AM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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Registered: 04/17/04
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i'm looking for the part about the earth being flat in kramski's statement, maybe some praise of asbestos. dumb people convinced they're right and on a mission to enlighten the rest of the world need to have their vocal chords cut out.

jrv---ever consider running aim?? if you're not at least peripherally involved with the medical field, do you know everything? i only know anything from looking through my older sister's stuff from med school like beavis, so i know my siamese twins, that "micropenis" is real and very funny, and scary viruses.

hiv, except in the case jrv described, is almost always terminal, maybe a boring fungus kills you, probably some kind of lymphoma in your chest or brain that doesn't respond to treatment. just because after the intitial infection, you might not have much evidence of the virus and seem healthy just means that retroviruses have a proportionally tiny lytic cycle to lysogenic versus colds, rabies, etc. that means once it's made your immune system leave it alone, it chugs along with its reverse transcription, provirus synthesis, and cellular integration, leaving you with different dna.
the reverse transcription part is what means azt and the newer protease inhibitor, while effective at keeping it in check, even from being transferred if you give birth sometimes, your dna sucks for stopping normally harmless stuff from killing you. vaccines can't come from active or inactive HIV because it's so pathogenic, and we're probably a ways from something synthetic and harmless.

at some point, possibly much later, things wear down or a new lytic cycle(cells full of the virus rupturing) happens, your lymphatic system isn't coded right, so now it might be termed aids. as mentioned when your cd4's are gone to a certain count or you can't fight off opportunistic shit like kaposi's sarcoma, thrush, mycobacteria, and i think the big one is pnemonia.
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#22705 - 04/28/04 01:18 PM Re: HIV is a harmless virus and does NOT causes AI
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ever consider running aim??



That is a thankless job. When times are good people complain about the cost. When outbreaks occur even the blind will have 20/20 hindsight.

If Sharon quit Gen might be a choice. You need someone with some familiarity and credibility from the medical and performer standpoint.

I think communication is proving a weak point and AIM needs to go back in a post-mortem and see what should have been said when, as opposed to letting AVN and other gossip sites disseminate third-hand rumor. That said, almost no organization in the Real World does any better the first time around.

It might not be a bad idea to hire an epidemiologist to review their response to suggest improvements, especially to ferret out bad assumptions that didn’t turn out wrong this time.
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