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...what is stranger, this thread being in the Monkey Cage and generating universal sympathy and support or that Fatty hasn't chimed in yet?

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A better reason/time to mock someone is for NOT going to rehab.

A person making an honest attempt to alter wrong decisions/actions is to be supported.

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Reading this supportive thread about Holly Randall's entry into rehab on the normally vicious Monkey Cage nauseated me.

Yes, I only want good things for Holly, and I am glad she's getting support at this time of crisis, but if you don't give a damn about Holly, what better time can there be to mock her?

I'm tired of this sacred hands-off approach to drunks and other addicts who go into rehab and start twelve-stepping.

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What better reason is there to make fun of someone than that they can't control themselves? If someone spent hours a day on a computer masturbating to porn, wouldn't it be right to make fun of them? Isn't "wanker" or "fag" a frequent put down because people realize there is good reason to stigmatize masturbation and buggery? If someone masturbates in public, shouldn't they be mocked? If a pornographer (or porn journalist or porn lawyer etc) keeps hitting on talent half his age, isn't that worthy of mockery?

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I'm sick of hearing that people are born gay. Yes, it may be true, but then every man is born a sexual predator, a rapist and an adulterer. It is not natural to men to restrict their sexual expression to their spouse just as it is not natural for some men to restrict their sexual expression to the opposite sex.

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So big deal. I no more feel sorry for the homo who can't screw around with the lads than I do for the 50-year old married man who's sad he can't bang high school girls.

I'm sad when I can't bang some delicious 16-year old girl but I don't whinge about society repressing me.

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I'm not claiming I am better than a drunk or a druggie or a poofter. I overflow with disgusting urges. I yearn for attention (though I'd prefer to call it 'recognition'). I am lazy. I am callous. I am selfish. I allow my sexual urges to overcome my good sense.

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While all of us have genetic predispositions towards destruction, in the final analysis, it is up to our free will.

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* It provides you with community to monitor your behavior. It is a lot easier to convince yourself that what you are doing is OK than to convince your religious community (Dennis Prager).

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* It gives you purpose. It gives you tons of things to do when you get up in the morning. (One reason that evangelical Christians devote so much time to proselytizing is that their religion lacks rituals and thus they have nothing better to do with themselves than bother people.)

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* It provides the accumulated wisdom of thousands of years of a tradition. There have been a lot of smart rabbis who know more about life than I do. I learn from them.

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* It provides structure. Religion dictates that you must set aside time for fun, for study, for family, for community, for work (not only do the Ten Commandments say you must rest one day a week, they command that we work six days a week).

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* It provides rituals which give life rhthym and depth. A week without a Sabbath is like music without climax and poetry without meter.

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seriously... EVERY Aussie i know is a functioning Alcoholic... and they are proud of it, its like a sign of national pride.

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This is like saying that every Frenchman has high cholesterol because of all the damn cheese and butter they eat. But in reality not all of them do. Come on now.

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Holly deserves the respect and doesn't deserve this thread. Someone needs to hijack it. *sigh*

Fox... wanna take it outside and settle this or do you wanna play this my way?

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You're a fucking asshole, luke. I'm the king of assholes and you got me beat. Fuck you.

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Come out of retirement to express vacuous moral outrage? How embearrassing for you. Cry it out, fanboy.

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You're a fucking asshole, luke. I'm the king of assholes and you got me beat. Fuck you

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Come out of retirement to express vacuous moral outrage? How embearrassing for you. Cry it out, fanboy.

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I just read his post and called him about it. What's funny is that he sounded shocked that I was angry.

Luke, you've burned the very last bridge. I will NEVER consider you a friend again, I will NEVER sympathize with you again, and I will NEVER consider your well-being or wish for your happiness again. You've truly driven away possibly one of the only people in the industry who ever honestly gave a shit about you, who ever defended you, and who ever dared to call you their friend. You are one of the most judgemental people I have ever met, and what's funny is that you are the last person on the planet who has the right to be. Go wallow in your own misery alone, you fuck.

Everyone else, thank you so much, I love you all. I think that perhaps the support I get is from the basic human recognition that we all have flaws, and that we all make mistakes. I was willing to admit them and seek help to correct them. I have met some of the most amazing, selfless and generous people in this program-- those who seek to help others before they help themselves. I can only pray that I, too, will one day be like these people, and give back to those who have given me so much comfort, love, and hope.

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YOUR AUSTRAILIAN!!!! I have many friends from the Land Down Under and an unabated love of Vegemite... despite now having to be a smuggler to eat it. But seriously... EVERY Aussie i know is a functioning Alcoholic... and they are proud of it, its like a sign of national pride.

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Holly is not being ridiculed while she's down because people like her. I think you'd be better served to investigate what makes people such as her loved, while others such as yourself are reviled.

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What was really shameful about he Holly thread was that it was rife with the fanboyishness that we slam ADT for all time. If it had been Gypsy, we'd have counseled suicide.

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When he carped about wanting his lukeford.com website back, several people from XPT offered to help. I offered the services of a $500/hour trademark attorney, to which he never responded. Lithium awaaaaayyyy

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Willie's point(s), that Luke is essentially a Sociopathic Narcissistic turd as lazy as the Porn Stars he follows and photographs are equally valid as my own personal opinion that the man is seriously ill. It could even easily be both scenarios at the same time....I mean, If Prozac had been around in Ted Bundy's day, the police artist composite sketches would have shown a perpetrator who SMILED a lot more as he offed all these girls...

I already posted not too long ago that Luke was circling Serial Killer-hood....

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You people are fucking unbelievable. If your huge outrage is that a "supportive" bit of posting showed up in the Cage, then send a pm to Zen or Malice and move it somewhere else. Conky started a thread coming from Luke's website, which is normally Cage-worthy material.

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You're a fucking asshole, luke. I'm the king of assholes and you got me beat. Fuck you.

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Nice job, shithead. Record your ex-girlfriend on tape, just to make her look bad.

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Aside from the minority of people who are just born happy, I don't understand how people can be happy without organized religion.

I don't know much about drunks and druggies because I never had any as friends until Holly. But being with someone who'd never been inside a church or synagogue, I realized the things that religion gives that I had taken for granted:

* It instills discipline because you have to constantly deny yourself for God/community/etc.

* It provides you with community to monitor your behavior. It is a lot easier to convince yourself that what you are doing is OK than to convince your religious community (Dennis Prager).

* It gives you purpose. It gives you tons of things to do when you get up in the morning. (One reason that evangelical Christians devote so much time to proselytizing is that their religion lacks rituals and thus they have nothing better to do with themselves than bother people.)

* It provides the accumulated wisdom of thousands of years of a tradition. There have been a lot of smart rabbis who know more about life than I do. I learn from them.

* It provides structure. Religion dictates that you must set aside time for fun, for study, for family, for community, for work (not only do the Ten Commandments say you must rest one day a week, they command that we work six days a week).

* It provides rituals which give life rhthym and depth. A week without a Sabbath is like music without climax and poetry without meter.

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It's OK, Lukie Ford records his interviews for later use,

Nice job, shithead. Record your ex-girlfriend on tape, just to make her look bad.

Speaking as a porn degenerate, fuck your sorry ass, Phuck Floored. Good luck with a career now, stupid jerkoff.

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Cal. Penal Code §§ 631, 632: It is a crime in California to intercept or eavesdrop upon any confidential communication, including a telephone call or wire communication, without the consent of all parties.

It is also a crime to disclose information obtained from such an interception. A first offense is punishable by a fine of up to $2,500 and imprisonment for no more than one year. Subsequent offenses carry a maximum fine of $10,000 and jail sentence of up to one year.

Eavesdropping upon or recording a conversation, whether by telephone (including cordless or cellular telephone) or in person, that a person would reasonably expect to be confined to the parties present, carries the same penalty as intercepting telephone or wire communications.

Conversations occurring at any public gathering that one should expect to be overheard, including any legislative, judicial or executive proceeding open to the public, are not covered by the law.

An appellate court has ruled that using a hidden video camera violates the statute. California v. Gibbons, 215 Cal. App. 3d 1204 (1989). However, a television network that used a hidden camera to videotape a conversation that took place at a business lunch meeting on a crowded outdoor patio of a public restaurant that did not include "secret" information did not violate the Penal Code's prohibition against eavesdropping because it was not a "confidential communication." Wilkins v. NBC, Inc., 71 Cal. App. 4th 1066 (1999).

Anyone injured by a violation of the wiretapping laws can recover civil damages of $5,000 or three times actual damages, whichever is greater. Cal. Penal Code § 637.2(a). A civil action for invasion of privacy also may be brought against the person who committed the violation. Cal. Penal Code § 637.2.

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How about that permission luke, i don't hear it on the recording

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It is also a crime to disclose information obtained from such an interception. A first offense is punishable by a fine of up to $2,500 and imprisonment for no more than one year. Subsequent offenses carry a maximum fine of $10,000 and jail sentence of up to one year.

Eavesdropping upon or recording a conversation, whether by telephone (including cordless or cellular telephone) or in person, that a person would reasonably expect to be confined to the parties present, carries the same penalty as intercepting telephone or wire communications.

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It is also a crime to disclose information obtained from such an interception. A first offense is punishable by a fine of up to $2,500 and imprisonment for no more than one year. Subsequent offenses carry a maximum fine of $10,000 and jail sentence of up to one year.

Eavesdropping upon or recording a conversation, whether by telephone (including cordless or cellular telephone) or in person, that a person would reasonably expect to be confined to the parties present, carries the same penalty as intercepting telephone or wire communications.

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We all have our flaws, especially the sort of cynical souls who inhabit the Monkey cage. The difference between us and our quarry is that we have the dignity not to advertise and celebrate them.

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Post his fucken phone number and home address.. Think about it Holly.He brought the personnal shit onto here..So what if a random guy shows up at his door late some night with a Glock 20 and a few bad intentions..?? Just sayin. It could happen to anyone.

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Any time Holly has ever asked me to remove something about her from my website, I have always done so immediately. So everything that is still there about her (once she's had the chance to read it) has her tacit permission, even if she hates it. Over the years, I have written about Holly with a depth and passion and cruelty and love that I've never written about anyone. And that's because she allowed me to. No other woman would. If she abides by her latest post and I lose her as a friend, that will be my loss.

My post that attracted so much ire was inspired by Holly but was not about Holly. It was about larger ideas. If those ideas are uncomfortable and she and others want to ignore them and try to make this essay of mine about me trying to hurt her, then there's nothing I can do. I am going to publish my opinions even when they are unpopular.
Whether addiction is (best looked at) as a personal failing or as a disease is a worthy question. I, for one, am sick of lack of self-control being taken for granted as a disease.

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I would be hurt and angry and I'd start to distance myself from you.
I'm sorry I was so cruel.
Folks, if we can't have a reasoned discussion of ideas on the Monkey Cage, then there is no hope for Western Civilization and we might as well become Muslim.

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I have to say that I pretty much agree with Luke on this. The people that post regularly on this board seem to have this bizare fan-boy slave-thing for Holly and it really is strange. This girl (and her mother, who at least has history) makes crappy porn that most of you wouldn't even wank to and yet I suppose because she is a girl who actually talks to you, you kiss her ass every chance you get. Luke is just pointing out the obvious.

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I suppose because she is a girl who actually talks to you, you kiss her ass every chance you get. Luke is just pointing out the obvious.

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I have to say that I pretty much agree with Luke on this. The people that post regularly on this board seem to have this bizare fan-boy slave-thing for Holly and it really is strange. This girl (and her mother, who at least has history) makes crappy porn that most of you wouldn't even wank to and yet I suppose because she is a girl who actually talks to you, you kiss her ass every chance you get. Luke is just pointing out the obvious.

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It can't be explained that easily. If XPT kissed the ass of every girl on the board, there would be dozens more. The "all whores are attention whores" rule.

In fact many who have posted here have left because of abuse. Several register and post very infrequently staying below the radar. I would assume many more just lurk to keep out of the gunfire entirely.

Certainly this is her "home field", and we brook no visiting fan taunts of her. I think each of us has our own reasons. The fact that so many of us agree on Holly is remarkable. But, there is likely no one explanation.

Luke pointing out the obvious?!?
1. Making a private confidence of a friend public GOOD.
2. Bashing someone who is trying to amend her life BETTER.
3. Creating his own victimhood out of her pain BEST.

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That's funny - me being Luke Ford. I do wish I had his looks but otherwise, he strikes me as a semi-loser who won't get a real job. The fact that he is still hanging around the fringes of porn, posting his unimportant little missives, after all this time seems pretty sad. I was simply stating my opinion, as someone who has lurked around this board for at least a couple of years. I've seen you guys fawn over Holly like she has the only pussy in the world.

Remember this: Luke has actually had sex with the girl. He knows her and what she is really like. You guys know only the persona she wants you to know via this board and her posts. She may be a huge bitch or she may be the sweetest girl ever. I don't know and really don't care. I just think you guys are way overreacting to Luke's post. One dude even advocated violence against him! Lighten up, keyboard warriors.

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That's funny - me being Luke Ford. I do wish I had his looks but otherwise, he strikes me as a semi-loser who won't get a real job. The fact that he is still hanging around the fringes of porn, posting his unimportant little missives, after all this time seems pretty sad. I was simply stating my opinion, as someone who has lurked around this board for at least a couple of years. I've seen you guys fawn over Holly like she has the only pussy in the world.

Remember this: Luke has actually had sex with the girl. He knows her and what she is really like. You guys know only the persona she wants you to know via this board and her posts. She may be a huge bitch or she may be the sweetest girl ever. I don't know and really don't care. I just think you guys are way overreacting to Luke's post. One dude even advocated violence against him! Lighten up, keyboard warriors.

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BIFF!! How's tricks?

Biff you never PMed me about those reading tools!!

Until you can show evidence of comprehension skills you are not invited to read my posts.

Toned down to your level:

Bad, Bad BIFF!!

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Piecing things together yet Dane?

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ahahah
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Hi Holly I don't know what your habit is? It sounds like you are at some kind of rehab clinic. Is everyone there for the same thing? Have any celebrities been to that place? ( apart from you! ). How long do you stay there?

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