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#217963 - 01/20/07 10:21 PM
British Rascism on Big Brother
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Porn Jesus
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Memo to England...Big Brother is boring now...invent something else. So is that stupid millionaire show. We appreciate the idea, but it's time to move on.
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British bully of Bollywood queen battered by backlash
by Robin Millard
Sat Jan 20, 2:48 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - A minor celebrity's future seemed in tatters after viewers evicted her from a reality television show for her "racist bullying" of a top Bollywood star which sparked international fury.
Viewers voted to kick out Jade Goody, who had taunted Indian actress Shilpa Shetty in the "Celebrity Big Brother" programme, where famous faces live shut off from the world under 24-hour television scrutiny.
Friday's eviction left Goody, 25, a former "Big Brother" contestant, facing the consequences of her actions and press villification for her treatment of film star Shetty.
With the atmosphere highly charged, television executives banned the crowds which usually gather outside the "Big Brother" house on the northern edge of London, following every eviction.
Goody received a massive 82 percent of the total public votes cast in a straight two-way choice that had been between her and Shetty, 31, but Channel 4 television declined to disclose how many people voted.
"In all honesty I'm disgusted with myself," said Goody, after emerging from the household to silence and learning about the full scale of the row she had caused.
British newspapers roundly savaged Goody for her antics in the house.
The Sun, Britain's biggest-selling daily and once a champion of Goody, said "incredible as it may seem, last night's vote was the most important in Britain since the last general election.
"It became a referendum on whether our nation, with the eyes of the world on us, was prepared to back a home-grown yob over a dignified Indian actress."
The programme makers were also mauled for not letting Goody face the full force of public anger.
Newspapers said Goody had been tipped off about the storm beyond the garden fence and been well-briefed on how to go about salvaging her public image.
"I look like a complete and utter nasty small person -- the sort of person I don't like myself," she said in the post-eviction interview on Channel Four television after viewing footage.
"I am not a racist and I sincerely, with my hand on my heart, apologise to anyone I have offended out there," she said.
Shetty's family hailed the eviction of the Bollywood star's chief tormentor as a triumph of "good over evil."
"This vote has shown that goodness always prevails, like in Bollywood films," a spokesman for Shetty and her family said.
"This vote was not about just one contestant facing eviction. It was a straightforward contest between Shilpa and Jade, between good and bad," Dale Bhagwagar told AFP.
In a subsequent statement, Shetty's mother hailed the vote.
"She (Goody) deserved to be evicted. She behaved in such a despicable manner," Shilpa's mother Sunanda Shetty told the private Times Now network.
The man tipped to be Britain's next prime minister, finance minister Gordon Brown, was again drawn into the row during a visit to a film studio in Mumbai on the final day of his Indian tour, urging viewers to vote for "tolerance."
Along with former Miss Great Britain Danielle Lloyd and one-time pop star Jo O'Meara, Goody has reduced Shetty to tears on numerous occasions.
Shetty has been called a "dog" and asked whether she lives in a shack, prompting protestors in India to burn effigies of the show's producers.
Mobile phone company Carphone Warehouse on Thursday suspended its multi-million-pound sponsorship of the show.
Lloyd's sponsorship deal with an insurance firm has been ditched, while retailer the Perfume Shop has stopped stocking Goody's fragrance.
Around 40,000 people have complained to media watchdog Ofcom and police have launched an investigation into allegations of racism.
There have been some attempts at reconciliation. Shetty has withdrawn her claim of racism, while Goody and Lloyd have apologised for their remarks.
Channel 4 chief executive Andy Duncan has disputed whether comments were racist, instead saying it was "unquestionably a good thing that the programme has raised these issues and provoked such a debate."
Viewing figures Friday peaked at 8.8 million people and averaged 7.8 million -- marginally better than Channel Four's top figures for 2006.
A Channel 4 spokeswoman said the profits on the telephone calls -- or 10 pence (19 cents) on each 50-pence call (98 cents) -- it received for Friday's eviction vote will be given to a charity.
The amount will be revealed after the series ends on January 28.
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#217969 - 01/21/07 11:15 PM
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Registered: 04/06/05
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A derka derka muhammad jihad mutha fuckas.
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#217970 - 01/22/07 03:48 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/09/05
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if you're going to be racist, generally you should stay away from a country which regularly burns effigies of people who even mildly upset it.
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#217971 - 01/22/07 06:00 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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#217972 - 01/22/07 09:41 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
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Racism is bad, mmmkay
That is a riot. "She also said she hated fat people and wanted a return of the British Empire."
No offense to Ivor, DanG or the other British posters here, but this is about as likely as _________________________________ (insert random impossibility). I'm sure Argentina is up for a fight again. 
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#217973 - 01/23/07 12:07 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
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#217974 - 01/23/07 12:09 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 6557
Loc: 2004 - the glory days
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Someone dig up a pic of this broad.
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#217976 - 01/23/07 12:18 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 09/05/06
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Someone dig up a pic of this broad.
Pics + Video
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She admits that she is not really into boys yet although she eventually sees herself as a housewife.
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#217980 - 01/23/07 07:08 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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#217981 - 01/23/07 08:08 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
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Sorry, hands down the Indian chick is much hotter. Good Golly Bengali!
True dat!
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#217982 - 01/23/07 08:29 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
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None taken, but that's the second time you've made a puzzling Falklands reference. You do realize that we kicked Argentina's ass, right?
lol...actually I wasn't sure, it was a long time ago. You could always invade France again, that would be greatly appreciated.
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#217983 - 01/23/07 04:56 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/26/03
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#217984 - 01/24/07 02:48 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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Racism is bad, mmmkay
That is a riot. "She also said she hated fat people and wanted a return of the British Empire."
No offense to Ivor, DanG or the other British posters here, but this is about as likely as _________________________________ (insert random impossibility). I'm sure Argentina is up for a fight again.
As part of my Geography A-level, a classmate and I gave a presentation on how the world would be a better place for the re-establishment of the British Empire, and we won.
That says more about the quality of our opponents than the veracity of our claims or our skills as debators, however.
I would definitely like to the chance to smooth out Anglo-Indian relations with the delightful Shilpa Shetty though... 
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#217985 - 01/24/07 02:57 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 6557
Loc: 2004 - the glory days
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I fully endorse the UK aggressively expanding their empire by whatever means necessary. It'll take the heat off us Yanks for a while. 
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#217986 - 01/24/07 10:09 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
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Pakistan/India. Iraq/Kuwait. Israel/Palestine. The Sudan. Somalia. ALL British fuck-ups!! Another British Empire? Thx. But, no thx. 
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#217988 - 01/24/07 02:11 PM
Re: British Rascism on Big Brother
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Porn Jesus
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Their promises/lies to both sides in Palestine helped immensely! As did their Balfour Declaration. Or is that news to you? Or Chamberlain's White Paper of "no partition" to appease the Arab nations that might support Germany? Their years of indecisiveness, prevarications and immediate withdrawal in 1948 did wonders!!! No doubt adding Israel to their intrigues to take the Suez canal in 1956 had no bad effect on the region!
Their favoritism of one side over another in the Sudan has worked marvelously! Nothing like making one group to feel wholly inferior to mend fences!! Why didn't they divide that up like India - unlike India, the Sudanese populations weren't hopelessly intertwined. Too much fun to watch them fight to the death, I guess!
Why not let an asshole English general chop off a small part of an area for an oil concession! Welcome to Kuwait!! Did he set up an area for the Kurds? No. Did he divide off the Sunnis from the Shi'a? No. But for an oil concession he took away the areas richest asset and made sure it was protected - because God knows they couldn't do it on their own - even in '61 the Brits ran in there. An unstable internal mess of a country is the best defense! But, people get bitter and look for other allies. Welcome Nazi Germany's bastard child: The Baath party!!!
For decades Britain did nothing but scare the Muslims in India about Hindu domination. They did everything in their power to create mistrust, fear and hatred between the two sides. They were constantly cutting separate deals between tribal, territorial and religious groupings - such as those with Jinnah during WWII. Then they used this stirred up animosity as the prime reason for not giving India its independence. And, in my opinion, they were glad with the turmoil as justification of their colonial "white man's burden" policies.
So, God Bless the MotherFucking Queen!!
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#217989 - 01/24/07 09:21 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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I really can't be bothered picking through all of this, so I'll take the easy one. Quote:
Why not let an asshole English general chop off a small part of an area for an oil concession! Welcome to Kuwait!! Did he set up an area for the Kurds? No. Did he divide off the Sunnis from the Shi'a? No. But for an oil concession he took away the areas richest asset and made sure it was protected - because God knows they couldn't do it on their own - even in '61 the Brits ran in there. An unstable internal mess of a country is the best defense! But, people get bitter and look for other allies. Welcome Nazi Germany's bastard child: The Baath party!!!
Whose version of history have you been reading? This is total bullshit. Kuwait had existed as a separate self-governed entity since the 1700s. The Ottoman empire claimed suzerainty over it (the basis of the modern-day claim), but the local Kuwaiti leaders had other ideas and in the in the late 19th century they invited the British to come in as protectors.
Britain ruled Iraq (the mesopotamian mandate) for just 12 years between inheriting it from the Ottoman empire (1920) and granting independence (1932). It was reoccupied in WWII for a few years to prevent the Nazi-sympathising leaders from helping Germany.
On what basis could this history be construed as Britain carving up the land for convenience? Should Iraq and Kuwait have been tied together just because another empire had previously said so?
I'm no fan of empire, but it irritates me when people who are ignorant of history try to blame it for all the world's ills. The British empire gets the worst rep only because it was the most successful.
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#217990 - 01/24/07 10:35 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I know my fucking history. And, as many have noted on this board, I have been quite honest and upfront when my nation, or my party, etc., have committed wrongs. The argument I put forward is the Iraqi position. And has been the Iraqi position since the beginning. But, deciding to cut this off for commercial reasons has led to nothing but enmity and often threat of war. Kuwait hasn't been self-governing until Britain granted it full independence in 1961. Until then it was a subject kingdom. They call this a colony. As part of larger plans, in 1913 the British convinced the Ottomans that Kuwait to be a semi-autonomous area. Once the war was over they declared it under the protection the British Empire. The nearby local people who lost claim to this territory NEVER agreed to this and find this allocation offensive. Your version, to the Iraqi, is but British propaganda. And, I find the Iraqi side has more credibility based in part on the ££££s involved. It was much easier to find a small friendly party to deal with in an area that was not too big to defend. Iraq has claimed Kuwait from its very beginning. It was the British who decided BY THEMSELVES to shave this off to a subject kingdom. The British took it for oil concessions. I can recommend some book on the politics of oil where this is argument is made quite persuasively. Here is just one site, Canada's CBC, with a short blurb on the Iraq issue. Quote:
What is currently Iraq resulted from the break-up of the Ottoman Empire after World War One. When France and Britain divvied up the Middle East, Britain got the "Fertile Crescent," the arc of land including today’s Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Israel and Egypt.
The borders of these nations had no roots in history but were simply agreed upon by France and Britain. Like the nations formed out of the defunct Austro-Hungarian Empire in the same period, or the crumbling of other colonial empires 40 years later, this was to cause many problems.
Initially the government of Iraq was a monarchy. Through the 1920s and 1930s, Iraq slowly gained more independence. There were many factions within the country competing for power and Iraq remained politically unstable. One thing generally agreed on, however, was dissatisfaction with the national borders that had been dictated by foreigners.
From the beginning Iraq wanted to have Kuwait included in its territory. In 1939, Iraq set out to conquer the tiny land, which was still a colony of Britain. At the last moment, however, the King of Iraq died in a car crash and the invasion was called off. In 1961, when Britain granted Kuwait its independence, Iraq began invasion preparations, only backing down when Britain sent troops back into the region.
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Based upon this knowledge, my question to my Senators when the war was voted in Iraq was: If a liberal democratic Iraq is established and decides like every government before it that Kuwait is part of Iraq and invades, what do we do then?
You know any Iraqis? Even the Iraqi Jews I know, who were tossed out of a land they lived in for more than 2,500 years, complain about Britain stealing Kuwait.
Someday this will again be an issue. Thank you much, British Empire!!
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#217991 - 01/24/07 11:25 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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The argument I put forward is the Iraqi position. And has been the Iraqi position since the beginning.
So I guess the actual Kuwaitis aren't entitled to their own position right? You're making my point for me. This was a pre-existing dispute under the Ottoman Empire before the British got involved in 1897 (at Kuwait's request).
The 1913 treaty was never ratified, BTW, and became irrelevant once the Ottoman empire ended.
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Kuwait hasn't been self-governing until Britain granted it full independence in 1961. Until then it was a subject kingdom. They call this a colony.
Self-governance and sovereignty are two different things. It's been self-governing for centuries. The sovereignty was in dispute between empires.
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Your version, to the Iraqi, is but British propaganda.
But yours isn't Iraqi propaganda?
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And, I find the Iraqi side has more credibility based in part on the ££££s involved.
Aaah! So no revisionist historical bias then. Funny thing is, oil wasn't discovered in Kuwait until later.
So let me get this straight, what you're basically saying is the opinion of the actual Kuwaitis, who chose the British to avoid being subsumed into their bigger neighbor under Turkish rule, is irrelevant. It happened that Kuwait became an oil-rich, friendly state, therefore this must have been due to a conniving plot by the British.
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#217992 - 01/25/07 01:00 AM
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Porn Jesus
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You my dear sir are full of shit. Though the actual discovery of the oil was later, the geologist were sure of its existence and began negotiations on concessions with Arab states documented as early as 1911. The first Kuwait oil concession agreement : a record of the negotiations, 1911-1934 Go on. Click. Why would they be negotiating an oil concession if they weren't confident in finding the oil? Btw, the ruler of Kuwait, just by sheer coincidence, signed an exclusive oil concession to companies appointed by the British Gov't in 1913. The same year as the short lived treaty with the Ottomans. The entire British foreign policy of the Gulf was to get oil concessions. If they did as the majority of the Arab population in the protectorate wanted and added Kuwait to Iraq, they lost their hard won 1913 concessions. How noble to see the interests of the Kuwaitis! And, who cares about majorities. Certainly the British should consider the Kuwaitis desires and rights. And, certainly it may appear that they did consider these more seriously than lets say those of the Irish - another successful partition, btw. But, really they couldn't have cared less. If the other way made sense, they would have gone that way. The policy makers were charged with getting the oil, anyway, anyhow. And, how would it look to their other new "friends" if they let Kuwait go to Iraq? Not that the US is any different. All nations have acted out of pure self-interest. But, when confronted by an error, such as the overthrow of the government of Chile, I don't hide behind nonsense. It was absolutely wrong. And, eventually, as happened under Clinton, we can as a nation even apologize. Don't worry. After you guys dropped the ball, the Kuwaitis became our bitches. Now we get to defend the partition, etc. Keep defending. Bush needs the help.
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#217993 - 01/25/07 02:24 AM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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You my dear sir are full of shit.
Though the actual discovery of the oil was later, the geologist were sure of its existence and began negotiations on concessions with Arab states documented as early as 1911.
The first Kuwait oil concession agreement : a record of the negotiations, 1911-1934
Yep, the whole of Arabia was suspected of having oil, but where and how much was unknown. How was it possible to redraw the lines of government in a favourable way without this information?. Kuwait turning out to have 20% of the worlds's reserves was pure luck.
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Go on. Click. Why would they be negotiating an oil concession if they weren't confident in finding the oil?
They were staking their claims wherever they could in Arabia.
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If they did as the majority of the Arab population in the protectorate wanted and added Kuwait to Iraq
That's another bullshit assertion. Or do you mean the majority of the arab population in the Kuwaiti protectorate and Mesopotamian Mandate combined? If so, what exactly gave the Mesopotamians (Iraqis) the right to a say in Kuwait's future, when they had never been one country, merely both (disputed) subjects of the same empire?
I don't know why you're wasting your time trying to prove that the British Empire exploited the economic resources of it's subjects, because that's not in dispute, it was the main purpose of empire. You've shifted the emphasis completely from your original bullshit statement that I challenged. Let me remind you:
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Why not let an asshole English general chop off a small part of an area for an oil concession! Welcome to Kuwait!! Did he set up an area for the Kurds? No. Did he divide off the Sunnis from the Shi'a? No. But for an oil concession he took away the areas richest asset and made sure it was protected - because God knows they couldn't do it on their own - even in '61 the Brits ran in there. An unstable internal mess of a country is the best defense! But, people get bitter and look for other allies. Welcome Nazi Germany's bastard child: The Baath party!!!
This is utter bullshit. The border was agreed in 1913 Between rival empires. Britain didn't have the power to unilaterally redraw the lines because it didn't control both sides. Later, in 1920, it gained control of Iraq and could have tried to do this but left things as they were.
You keep going on about what the Iraqis wanted, but you've given no explanation as to why this should have been taken into account. I repeat, Kuwait had been self-governing for centuries, and did not agree with the Ottoman claim of sovereignty. In light of that, it seems that incorporating the two countries together, as you propose should have happened, would have been an outrageous move. The fact that later on Britain got lucky with the oil claim is irrelevant, but this seems to be the essense of your argument - Britain profited, therefore Britain is responsible for the territorial dispute. In fact it only became a big issue for Iraq shortly after independence, when it was discovered just how much oil was in Kuwait. A slight touch of irony there - you're accusing the wrong side of fucking with borders to satisfy oil greed.
You, my dear sir, are the one who is full of shit.
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