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#217525 - 01/19/07 09:02 AM Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	He was born in 1807. He shows the kind of man he was in this letter written after the Battle of Gettysburg: Quote: To Jefferson Davis Richmond, Virginia Camp Orange August 8, 1863 Mr. President, Your letters of July 28 and August 2 have been received, and I have waited for a leisure hour to reply, but I fear that will never come. I am extremely obliged to you for the attention given to the wants of this army, and the efforts made to supply them. Our absentees are returning, and I hope the earnest and beautiful appeal made to the country in your proclamation may stir up the virtue of the whole people, and that they may see their duty and perform it. Nothing is wanted but that their fortitude should equal their bravery to insure the success of our cause. We must expect reverses, even defeats. They are sent to teach us wisdom and prudence, to call forth greater energies, and to prevent our falling into greater disasters. Our people have only to be true and united, to bear manfully the misfortunes incident to war, and all will come right in the end. I know how prone we are to censure and how ready to blame others for the non-fulfillment of our expectations. This is unbecoming in a generous people, and I grieve to see its expression. The general remedy for the want of success in a military commander is his removal. This is natural, and in many instances proper. For no matter what may be the ability of the officer, if he loses the confidence of his troops disaster must sooner or later ensue. I have been prompted by these reflections more than once since my return from Pennsylvania to propose to Your Excellency the propriety of selecting another commander for this army. I have seen and heard of expression of discontent in the public journals at the result of the expedition. I do not know how far this feeling extends in the army. My brother officers have been too kind to report it, and so far the troops have been too generous to exhibit it. It is fair, however, to suppose that it does exist, and success is so necessary to us that nothing should be risked to secure it. I therefore, in all sincerity, request Your Excellency to take measures to supply my place. I do this with the more earnestness because no one is more aware than myself of my inability for the duties of my position. I cannot even accomplish what I myself desire. How can I fulfill the expectations of others? In addition I sensibly feel the growing failure of my bodily strength. I have not yet recovered from the attack I experienced the past spring. I am becoming more and more incapable of exertion, and am thus prevented from making the personal examinations and giving the personal supervision to the operations in the field which I feel to be necessary. I am so dull that in making use of the eyes of others I am frequently misled. Everything, therefore, points to the advantages to be derived from a new commander, and I the more anxiously urge the matter upon Your Excellency from my belief that a younger and abler man than myself can readily be attained. I know that he will have as gallant and brave an army as ever existed to second his efforts, and it would be the happiest day of my life to see at its head a worthy leader, one that would accomplish more than I could perform and all that I have wished. I hope Your Excellency will attribute my request to the true reason, the desire to serve my country, and to do all in my power to insure the success of her righteous cause. I have no complaints to make of any one but myself. I have received nothing but kindness from those above me, and the most considerate attention from my comrades and companions in arms. To Your Excellency I am specially indebted for uniform kindness and consideration. You have done everything in your power to aid me in the work committed to my charge, without omitting anything to promote the general welfare. I pray that your efforts may at length be crowned with success, and that you may long live to enjoy the thanks of a grateful people. With sentiments of great esteem, I am very respectfully and truly yours R. E. Lee
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#217526 - 01/19/07 09:44 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Da Burglar Porn Jesus Registered: 01/02/05 Posts: 5750 Loc: ATLANTIC CITY	B, even more telling about Marse Robert's character is his orders and directives he issued to HIS OWN Army of Northern Virginia prior to Both of his invasions of the north, in September 1862 leading to the Antietam Campaign, and again in June 1863, leading to the ill fated Gettysburg campaign (which was really an 'accidental' battle anyway, although Lee, rightly so, accepts responsibility for the SOuth's ultimate defeat....he did fuck up badly during Gettysburg.) Rather, he Forbid his troops to Rape, pillage and plunder while on Northern Soil. Granted, the Confederate Army DID live off the land while on Northern soil, and did help themselves to whatever they needed (hey, it was war and they were invaders), BUT the confederates spared the union civilians any unnecessary damage or destruction, and always tried to PAY for what they took....albeit with ultimately Worthless confederate script, but still they meant well. This was in direct contrast to the Northern Soldiers who had been in Southern territory since the beginning of the war. Lee felt it was "the christian soldierly thing to do", and he went as far as to execute any confederate soldier caught blatantly defying his orders. One anecdote during the march up through Maryland and pennsylvania to Gettysburg relates an old woman demanding to see Marse Robert about several of her missing pigs. Lee was busy trying to figure out where the hell he was exactly since Jeb Stuart had left him blind, but he divested himself from a meeting with Longstreet and A.P. Hill to meet the old bag about her missing pigs. Lee reached into his own pocket and paid the woman in Gold, overpaying as it were, for pigs that it wasnt entirely certain confederate soldiers had absconded in the first place! Hell Northern Soldiers from decadent Cities like New York, Boston and Philadelphia often Stole from other UNION civilians living out in the country (in places like Gettysburg.) If I could possibly go back in time, I would travel back to serve under Marse Robert, proudly wheeling my ass up Cemetery Ridge until that one minieball rifle shot with my name on it tore through my muscular chest and snuffed out my life, leaving me slumped dead in front of the Union Works!!! Hurrah!! Hurrah!! For Southern Rights we Are! Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag Which bears a single Star! _________________________ Are you gonna eat that?
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#217527 - 01/19/07 11:19 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	Good points Burg. Not so long ago I read this book. A collection of his letters and correspondence, it gives a good insight into him as a man and father. He was more than head and shoulders above his whiskey swilling cigar smoking counterpart.
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#217528 - 01/19/07 02:00 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Dean Wormer Pervert Registered: 08/05/05 Posts: 2116 Loc: Faber College	Quote: Good points Burg. Not so long ago I read this book. He was more than head and shoulders above his whiskey swilling cigar smoking counterpart. He was offered command of the Union Army at the onset of the war so he could have been his counterpart. He made a bad choice. _________________________ It was a wonderful community with some very enjoyable members. But the vast majority were like German housewives circa 1943 prenteding that horrib;le smell wafting through their open windowsd was just the neighbors having a cookout..--Windsock
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#217529 - 01/19/07 03:01 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Uomo Grassissimo!! Porn Jesus Registered: 04/14/06 Posts: 14755 Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]	One thing Lee gets very little credit for is his work mending the union after the war. He never wavered from his vow at Appomattox Courthouse. And, as always he led by example and not with empty rhetoric. Remarkable considering that the Union "appropriated" his wife's family home to make Arlington Cemetery. _________________________ Amo i Gemelli!!
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#217530 - 01/19/07 03:28 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
NitneLiun Registered Sex Offender Registered: 07/09/06 Posts: 2362 Loc: St. Louis	Lee eventually came to regret his decision to surrender. In a speech he gave in Texas around 1868, he said that if he had known how the federal government would treat the South and abuse its power, he would have fought until the last man of his Army of Northern Virginia. _________________________ "Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
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#217531 - 01/19/07 04:53 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
c62 Human Garbage Registered: 07/05/04 Posts: 1545 Loc: In the tree outside Gia Jordan...	Quote: B, even more telling about Marse Robert's character is his orders and directives he issued to HIS OWN Army of Northern Virginia prior to Both of his invasions of the north, in September 1862 leading to the Antietam Campaign, and again in June 1863, leading to the ill fated Gettysburg campaign (which was really an 'accidental' battle anyway, although Lee, rightly so, accepts responsibility for the SOuth's ultimate defeat....he did fuck up badly during Gettysburg.) Rather, he Forbid his troops to Rape, pillage and plunder while on Northern Soil. Granted, the Confederate Army DID live off the land while on Northern soil, and did help themselves to whatever they needed (hey, it was war and they were invaders), BUT the confederates spared the union civilians any unnecessary damage or destruction, and always tried to PAY for what they took....albeit with ultimately Worthless confederate script, but still they meant well. This was in direct contrast to the Northern Soldiers who had been in Southern territory since the beginning of the war. Lee felt it was "the christian soldierly thing to do", and he went as far as to execute any confederate soldier caught blatantly defying his orders. Keep in mind burg the side that fights the "nicest" usually loses. I'd serve under Sherman any day. Guy did what was necessary, even unpleasant, to break the enemy. Bornyo, it was nice reading that. It's a direct contrast to people today who can't get anything legible down without a spell checker and even thats iffy. _________________________ If cum was concrete, Quasarman would have a four lane freeway going down his throat. - pariah
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#217532 - 01/19/07 05:39 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
windsock Demon Spawn Registered: 08/25/06 Posts: 3018	Overlook for the moment that I reveal my lack of education and slightest interest in history, but has anyone else here noticed/felt that there is an emiprically provable connection between a fetishistic interest in military history/hardware and an interest in hardcore pornography? _________________________ "you aint felt fear till you felt a sista question you on things you dont wanna be questioned on."---GUAPO
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#217533 - 01/19/07 07:43 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
JRV Porn Jesus Registered: 08/03/03 Posts: 5849 Loc: TX, USA	Quote: Granted, the Confederate Army DID live off the land while on Northern soil, and did help themselves to whatever they needed (hey, it was war and they were invaders), I don't believe any large army to that point had ever lived off of supplies brought in from friendly territory while operating in enemy territory. Prior to rail networks it probably wasn't possible and I don't think anyone tried until forced to do so in WW1. Quote: He was offered command of the Union Army at the onset of the war so he could have been his counterpart. He made a bad choice. Lee wouldn't have known what you're talking about. It simply wouldn't have occurred to him to chose sides based on who looked likely to win. _________________________ "If they can't picture me with a knife, forcing them to strip in an alley, I don't want any part of it. It's humiliating." - windsock
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#217534 - 01/19/07 11:54 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Da Burglar Porn Jesus Registered: 01/02/05 Posts: 5750 Loc: ATLANTIC CITY	Quote: Granted, the Confederate Army DID live off the land while on Northern soil, and did help themselves to whatever they needed (hey, it was war and they were invaders), Quote: I don't believe any large army to that point had ever lived off of supplies brought in from friendly territory while operating in enemy territory. Prior to rail networks it probably wasn't possible and I don't think anyone tried until forced to do so in WW1. No JRV, it ws indeed possible, and even Attempted, but usually with limited success, or outright failure....case in point... NAPOLEON, 1812, Russia. Le' Empreur Decided he wanted to Picnic that Summer in Moscow, so he set out with 600K men (Warsaw was the jump off point for this Huge Mob of soldiers!!!) He built supply Bases along the way as he advanced, bases which were CONSTANTLY attacked by Russian Peasant Guerilla Bands, or the more professional Cossacks. Napoleon, the little Shit, fucked himself and his Men with this Strategy.....Everyone knows how it ended. But JRV, let me ask you this: If Gen Padova had to come visit you, that is to say she "invaded" your house, would Gen have to live off the cum supply present in your house (in your nuts) rather than bringing her own cum supply, MILKED FROM BOY TOY, to guzzle and gobble and ration at night before bedtime ( the porn whores secret to Longevity.)????? _________________________ Are you gonna eat that?
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#217535 - 01/20/07 01:30 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Dean Wormer Pervert Registered: 08/05/05 Posts: 2116 Loc: Faber College	Quote: Lee wouldn't have known what you're talking about. It simply wouldn't have occurred to him to chose sides based on who looked likely to win. But is should have occurred to him that he was an officer in the United States Army. That in itself should have trumped his decision to command the South based on his allegiance to his home state of Virginia. I suppose we could blame the Virginia legislature who voted to secede but Lee as a Union commander would have been even more glorious. Possibly even shorten the war by a year. Can you imagine Lee in command of the Union at the only battle of Bull Run/Manassas? In charge of the union at Antietam and then pursuing the rebels after the battle? Or at Chancellorville, Petersburg? _________________________ It was a wonderful community with some very enjoyable members. But the vast majority were like German housewives circa 1943 prenteding that horrib;le smell wafting through their open windowsd was just the neighbors having a cookout..--Windsock
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#217536 - 01/20/07 08:09 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Uomo Grassissimo!! Porn Jesus Registered: 04/14/06 Posts: 14755 Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]	Quote: Can you imagine Lee in command of the Union at the only battle of Bull Run/Manassas? In charge of the union at Antietam and then pursuing the rebels after the battle? Or at Chancellorville, Petersburg? Several other Virginian officers remained with the Union: Gen. Thomas - "the Rock of Chickamauga", is likely the best known example. I cannot imagine Lee on the northern side at Antietam since I doubt there was anyone as daring as Lee to try that strategy. I believe Lee would have had his setbacks as well since it was unclear to everyone how to fight that war and his favorite foil, McClellan was still on the Union side - if there had been a more aggressive/confident commander in the Union, we likely would have less regard for Lee. Stonewall would have been an interesting adversary for Lee. It would be enlightening to see Lee with the incompetent Pinkerton intelligence and not J.E.B. Stuart's reports. A major blow to the South, that is often forgotten, was the loss of Albert Sidney Johnston at Shiloh. He would have been a "handful" had he survived. I believe that with Lee in the east and Grant in the west the Union would have won the traditional war fairly quickly. No new territory would have had slavery - the main political stumbling block from 1820-1860, but likely no blacks as well - which was the intention of the "Free Soil" advocates. Slavery may have survived into the early 20th century, but those practicing it would have been more and more despised and economically & politically isolated. WINDSOCK: Of course military history types love porn and whores!!!!!!!!!!! What kind of women you think the common soldier got down with while on tour? Imagine the "Gag Factor" as Henry V and "the band of brothers" take Paris!!!! _________________________ Amo i Gemelli!!
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#217537 - 01/20/07 08:52 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Gunker Porn Jesus Registered: 01/07/06 Posts: 4268 Loc: Portland	Quote: Overlook for the moment that I reveal my lack of education and slightest interest in history, but has anyone else here noticed/felt that there is an emiprically provable connection between a fetishistic interest in military history/hardware and an interest in hardcore pornography? Exhibit #1: http://www.xxxporntalk.com//ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=nonporntalk&Number=196774&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=all&vc=1 I plead guilty. _________________________ "My people (the real Americans- descended from the original Angle-Saxon pioneers)"-Coke S.
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#217538 - 01/19/08 02:12 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	Happy Birthday Marse Robert.
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#217539 - 01/19/08 08:34 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Anonymous Unregistered	Still "The Marble Model."
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#217540 - 01/19/08 08:44 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	Quote: Still "The Marble Model." Yep, and worthy. You won't find another.
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#217541 - 01/19/08 10:08 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Dean Wormer Pervert Registered: 08/05/05 Posts: 2116 Loc: Faber College	Yosemite Sam to the rescue. _________________________ It was a wonderful community with some very enjoyable members. But the vast majority were like German housewives circa 1943 prenteding that horrib;le smell wafting through their open windowsd was just the neighbors having a cookout..--Windsock
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#217542 - 01/19/09 05:23 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	Another year passes Marse Robert. Wish you were here.
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#217543 - 01/19/09 12:02 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Fuk Yo Mama Gay For Pay Registered: 03/07/06 Posts: 1059	Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear leader of an army to preserve a racist lifestyle and enslave millions based upon the color of their skin thus denying them basic human rights and use the bullshit excuse of state's rights to justify genocidal actions happy birthday to you. Gotta admit though, that story about paying for the lady's pigs was touching. What do you think he would have given her if her slaves had been killed? _________________________ Honestly, I don't know...I'm torn. We haven't talked since AVN (other than the hearing in February)- Eric on Bree Olson
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#217544 - 01/19/09 12:56 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	Fair market value.
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#217545 - 01/19/09 01:09 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
have2cit Porn Jesus Registered: 08/09/06 Posts: 9113 Loc: red dirt state of mind	"there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which . . . will forever forbid the two races living together upon terms of social and political equality.'' - Abraham Lincoln 1858
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#217546 - 01/19/09 03:26 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
tattypatty Porn Jesus Registered: 01/30/08 Posts: 7599 Loc: a site known for its tolerance...	Quote: There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. Robert E. Lee _________________________ "I'll never forget the moment during the lovely Alyssa Allure's scene in 'American Bukkake' where the fellow got out of his wheel chair to ejaculate on her face. It was grotesque but had a certain frisson." -Sock
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#217547 - 01/19/09 04:17 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bill Hicks Bukkake Boy Registered: 04/01/07 Posts: 717 Loc: Off the mortal coil	Quote: Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear leader of an army to preserve a racist lifestyle and enslave millions based upon the color of their skin thus denying them basic human rights and use the bullshit excuse of state's rights to justify genocidal actions happy birthday to you. Gotta admit though, that story about paying for the lady's pigs was touching. What do you think he would have given her if her slaves had been killed? Is it painful to live life never knowing what the fuck you're talking about? Lincoln was an avowed racist who only brought up slavery in 1863 to quell the draft riots and forestall England and France from entering the conflict on the CSA's side. Oh, and the Emancipation Proclamation? Didn't free a single fucking person.
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#217548 - 01/19/09 04:22 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Dean Wormer Pervert Registered: 08/05/05 Posts: 2116 Loc: Faber College	^ That's what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGD6nYQpc6c _________________________ It was a wonderful community with some very enjoyable members. But the vast majority were like German housewives circa 1943 prenteding that horrib;le smell wafting through their open windowsd was just the neighbors having a cookout..--Windsock
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#217549 - 01/19/09 06:20 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Fuk Yo Mama Gay For Pay Registered: 03/07/06 Posts: 1059	Quote: Quote: Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear leader of an army to preserve a racist lifestyle and enslave millions based upon the color of their skin thus denying them basic human rights and use the bullshit excuse of state's rights to justify genocidal actions happy birthday to you. Gotta admit though, that story about paying for the lady's pigs was touching. What do you think he would have given her if her slaves had been killed? Is it painful to live life never knowing what the fuck you're talking about? Lincoln was an avowed racist who only brought up slavery in 1863 to quell the draft riots and forestall England and France from entering the conflict on the CSA's side. Oh, and the Emancipation Proclamation? Didn't free a single fucking person. I don't live in a world where honest Abe was an evil racist and the southern states were just misunderstood patriots. Sometimes I think XPT is a Tom Metzger recruitment board. Where's tritone when a brotha needs him? _________________________ Honestly, I don't know...I'm torn. We haven't talked since AVN (other than the hearing in February)- Eric on Bree Olson
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#217550 - 01/19/09 07:02 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	I'm betting Tritone is better educated on this issue than yourself.
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#217551 - 01/19/09 07:34 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bill Hicks Bukkake Boy Registered: 04/01/07 Posts: 717 Loc: Off the mortal coil	Quote: Quote: Quote: Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear leader of an army to preserve a racist lifestyle and enslave millions based upon the color of their skin thus denying them basic human rights and use the bullshit excuse of state's rights to justify genocidal actions happy birthday to you. Gotta admit though, that story about paying for the lady's pigs was touching. What do you think he would have given her if her slaves had been killed? Is it painful to live life never knowing what the fuck you're talking about? Lincoln was an avowed racist who only brought up slavery in 1863 to quell the draft riots and forestall England and France from entering the conflict on the CSA's side. Oh, and the Emancipation Proclamation? Didn't free a single fucking person. I don't live in a world where honest Abe was an evil racist and the southern states were just misunderstood patriots. So you don't like reality, eh? Try doing some research instead of just regurgitating what you heard in your junior high US History classes. Lincoln was a racist who strongly advocated shipping blacks to Liberia en masse. And again, the Emancipation Proclamation did nothing.
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#217552 - 01/19/09 07:39 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Charlie Malloy Sex Slave Trader Registered: 01/10/06 Posts: 1487 Loc: NYC	But fellas, this doesn't fit the rhetoric that will be served steaming on big plates tomorrow!
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#217553 - 01/19/09 07:45 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	Not really Charlie. This thread was started to recognize Lee's birthday. Anyone not brainwashed by modern history can see the honor and wisdom of this man. Lee's personal thoughts, writings and actions especially after the War in no small way contributed to Obama's advancement. He could have done much more damage after the War than he did during, if he were so inclined.
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#217554 - 01/19/09 07:46 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Charlie Malloy Sex Slave Trader Registered: 01/10/06 Posts: 1487 Loc: NYC	(sarcasm alert)
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#217555 - 01/19/09 07:59 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Fuk Yo Mama Gay For Pay Registered: 03/07/06 Posts: 1059	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_on_slavery argument over, I win. I don't remember this being in Mrs. Church's 7th grade history class. Hmmmm maybe it was because I read this book http://www.amazon.com/Abraham-Lincoln-Slavery-Civil-War/dp/0312208545/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232423479&sr=1-1 2 years ago. It's a good read and you would probably do well to pick it up. Then you can understand that your conclusion that Abe came used slavery as an excuse to gain favor with the Brits and the French is incorrect. You gain a solid understanding of what HE said. Not the interpretations of historians. You can borrow my copy if you like. Maybe we can trade, can I have your copy of Mein Kampf? _________________________ Honestly, I don't know...I'm torn. We haven't talked since AVN (other than the hearing in February)- Eric on Bree Olson
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#217556 - 01/19/09 08:03 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
John Floofin Porn Icon Registered: 02/04/05 Posts: 3499 Loc: The Dirty: 480	Ha ha, I'll skip sarcasm and pitch in with some sincerity that Lee was a soldier and a gentleman and yes, he could have raised hell after the war. The big "what if" is what might have come to pass had Lincoln lived? It was the forces, carpetbaggers et al, turned loose by his absence that brought the harshest reprisals upon the South and is largely to blame for their lasting emnity towards the North, or so I have been led to believe. Whatever, happy birthday to the guy. As an armchair historian, I'm always looking for a little more truth and don't get bent out of shape when proven wrong.
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#217557 - 01/19/09 08:06 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
John Floofin Porn Icon Registered: 02/04/05 Posts: 3499 Loc: The Dirty: 480	Also, I think people forget the political expediency of the times when the issue of who was "for" and "against" slavery comes about. Lincoln was from Illinois, after all, a state that hasn't exactly had the cleanest running political machines.
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#217558 - 01/19/09 08:08 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	Quote: "If I could free all the slaves and preserve the Union I would do that. If I could free none of the slaves and preserve the Union I would do that. If I could free some slaves and leave others is place and save the Union, I would do that also." Abraham Lincoln You are stupid on this issue. Go away. Edit: Not you Floofin. The idiot. Edited by Bornyo (01/19/09 08:09 PM)
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#217559 - 01/19/09 08:09 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
John Floofin Porn Icon Registered: 02/04/05 Posts: 3499 Loc: The Dirty: 480	I know, there's one in every crowd.
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#217560 - 01/19/09 08:27 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Fuk Yo Mama Gay For Pay Registered: 03/07/06 Posts: 1059	Quote: Quote: "If I could free all the slaves and preserve the Union I would do that. If I could free none of the slaves and preserve the Union I would do that. If I could free some slaves and leave others is place and save the Union, I would do that also." Abraham Lincoln You are stupid on this issue. Go away. Edit: Not you Floofin. The idiot. Take my advice, read the book and then you apologize to me for your ignorance and we can all move on. _________________________ Honestly, I don't know...I'm torn. We haven't talked since AVN (other than the hearing in February)- Eric on Bree Olson
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#217561 - 01/19/09 09:06 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Crocodile Pervert Registered: 12/26/07 Posts: 2056	Quote: Lincoln was a racist who strongly advocated shipping blacks to Liberia en masse. You say it like it was a bad thing. _________________________ "If you keep making fun of me, I might just get pissed and not post on here anymore. Start taking me seriously. I'm a student now" Fatja
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#217562 - 01/19/09 09:17 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
John Floofin Porn Icon Registered: 02/04/05 Posts: 3499 Loc: The Dirty: 480	Quote: Take my advice, read the book and then you apologize to me for your ignorance and we can all move on. Keep your revisionist tripe, now get back to the fields and pick my corn.
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#217563 - 01/20/09 01:09 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
freestylah Porn Jesus Registered: 12/28/07 Posts: 4856 Loc: The 4th International	Quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_on_slavery argument over, I win. Way to go. Put your faith in Wiki. _________________________ The only thing you got that I want, is your suffering.
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#217564 - 01/20/09 04:11 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
JRV Porn Jesus Registered: 08/03/03 Posts: 5849 Loc: TX, USA	blahh2000, slavery was not in fact Lincoln's priority. Never confuse campaign rhetoric with policy, Lincoln was presented with slavery as a problem by last minute moves by his predecessor, James Buchanan, who didn't have the guts to solve the issue but had the smarts to leave a ticking bomb for Lincoln. Lincoln's priority was to preserve the union and he is on record as being willing to drop freedom for slaves if that would preserve the union. Sadly the South had no trust in him due to his campaign talk. Lincoln's problem wasn't just the South: he was worried that some Northern states, namely New York, might not support the war - many states in the Union did not support war as a method of solving the slavery issue. Had the South not initiated the fighting Lincoln probably didn't have enough of the Union backing him to initiate a war himself. Robert E. Lee was honorable and considered a gentleman by even the Union people who dealt with him. But wars are like that sometimes: Lee was on the losing side but someone you wouldn't mind having as a neighbor: Sherman was on the winning side, but all you need to know about his personality is that after the war he went west to conduct the genocide of the American Indians... It's not a tough choice as to which one history judges more kindly, nor is it hard to understand why. One irony is that the war was almost unnecessary to end slavery. Practical farm tractors were only a few years away and they were the solution to the problem. I've often wondered what might have been had Lincoln had the foresight to push tractor development and production: could slavery been ended during his tenure? Probably not quite that quickly, but a lot of lives would have been saved. _________________________ "If they can't picture me with a knife, forcing them to strip in an alley, I don't want any part of it. It's humiliating." - windsock
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#217565 - 01/20/09 06:36 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
LouCypher @ Porn Jesus Registered: 10/19/06 Posts: 9958 Loc: fortified	heh bleeech.. You actually incurred JRVs tripe type wrath. lol Who does that?. Rumour has it through one of my gullible relatives that bought into it is that I'm closely realted to a Stonewall Jackson. After posting here for a short period of time I now understand how such a great man could be shot by his own troops. _________________________ i just lock, load, and regret. - jamesn
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#217566 - 01/20/09 06:44 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Da Burglar Porn Jesus Registered: 01/02/05 Posts: 5750 Loc: ATLANTIC CITY	Burg's Indisputable ranking of Generals from the American Civil War based on MILITARY Aptitude ONLY: tie 1) William T. Sherman USA tie 1) Nathan Bedford Forrest CSA 3) Stonewall Jackson (would have been #1 had he lived and if not for his performance in the Seven Days Battle, 1862) 4) Robert E. Lee CSA 5) US Grant USA 6) Patrick Cleburne CSA 7) George H. Thomas USA But no General was as Beloved as Robert E. Lee _________________________ Are you gonna eat that?
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#217567 - 01/20/09 08:55 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
tattypatty Porn Jesus Registered: 01/30/08 Posts: 7599 Loc: a site known for its tolerance...	Quote: But no General was as Beloved as Robert E. Lee You got that right: Attachments 379776-genlee-thumb-200x115.jpg (9 downloads) Edited by tattypatty (01/20/09 08:55 PM) _________________________ "I'll never forget the moment during the lovely Alyssa Allure's scene in 'American Bukkake' where the fellow got out of his wheel chair to ejaculate on her face. It was grotesque but had a certain frisson." -Sock
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#217568 - 01/21/09 03:13 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday
Bill Hicks Bukkake Boy Registered: 04/01/07 Posts: 717 Loc: Off the mortal coil	Quote: Burg's Indisputable ranking of Generals from the American Civil War based on MILITARY Aptitude ONLY: tie 1) William T. Sherman USA tie 1) Nathan Bedford Forrest CSA 3) Stonewall Jackson (would have been #1 had he lived and if not for his performance in the Seven Days Battle, 1862) 4) Robert E. Lee CSA 5) US Grant USA 6) Patrick Cleburne CSA 7) George H. Thomas USA But no General was as Beloved as Robert E. Lee No love for Stuart? WTF, Burg?
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#605012 - 01/19/14 11:42 AM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday [Re: Bornyo]
Bornyo Porn Jesus Registered: 09/23/04 Posts: 10321	207 Years Ago Attachments RobtELeeCommandFlag.jpg (60 downloads) Edited by Bornyo (01/19/14 11:42 AM)
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#605105 - 01/21/14 02:50 PM Re: Today is Robert E. Lee's Birthday [Re: Bornyo]
NitneLiun Registered Sex Offender Registered: 07/09/06 Posts: 2362 Loc: St. Louis	We could use another Robert E. Lee -- and another Army of Northern Virginia. _________________________ "Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
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