But it isn't degradation because these girls readily submit to it and even seem to enjoy it. That's what I don't get - how can you pervs who like this kind of thing get off when the girl is submitting to it? Seems to me like you'd need to see her beaten senseless first, then her semi-conscious body subjected to these degradations before your tiny little weeners could actually get stiff enough to peer out from under your beer bellies. But hey, whatever gets you going.