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#21061 - 04/17/04 03:24 PM relax and wait for the facts.
Rob Longshot Offline
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as we all saw today, even a typo can swell into a rumor that can and up printed as fact in another country.

while it may not be the cause of the outbreak as things currently stand, i would personally still support a quarentine for anoyone who was out of the country. shooting condomless in brazil is irresponsible... and more than one person or company has done this. but now it will be seen differently, whatever the outcome of all this might be.

i was at AIM today getting my newest test and spoke with them for almost an hour and a half, and to repeat again. ONLY darren and lara have come back positive so far.

please do not jump to ANY conclusions until ALL the facts are presented. one thing is for certain from what i was told today. we may never know if it started with darren or lara, the viral load tests just are coming out too close to tell.

Darren is not another Marc Wallice. as far as we know he did nothing maliciously, he never forged a test and should not be treated as if he has.

AIM has handled the situation very well.... before anyone criticises them... think about where we could be right now if they did not exist. while they have walked through this scenario before, this is the first time in the history of AIM they have truely dealt with the real thing. they should be applauded for their efforts.

knee-jerk reactions are natural... i had plenty too. and looking back it was irresponsible, but you have to step outside yourself and look at reality. wait for the facts and see what truth you can.

i know several things i wont say because it would only cause more rumor, and that is the last thing we need right now. but, don't be so quick to blame darren. it is WAY too early to play the blame game.

the only other fact i will give is, what i said before about Patrice using an ELISA as recently as monday. she was one of the canadian trio that also included Lara Coxx (Roxx).
i heard that from someone who has first hand knowledge.

there will be a meeting on wednesday the 21st for all talent. this will be your chance to ask any questions and vioce any suggestions as well as get the MOST ACCURATE version of the facts. if you do not attend and raise your vioce, you cannot complain you are not heard.

info will be provided soon as to time and location.
check aim-med.org for updates.


Edited by Rob Longshot (04/17/04 03:42 PM)
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#21062 - 04/17/04 03:43 PM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
Mike Meatmaster Offline
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Maybe now is a good time to take a vacation. Just not to Brazil.
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#21063 - 04/17/04 05:56 PM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
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I agree completely with the quarantine for people working outside of the country. You can't be as certain with tests from Also HIV tests should only be accepted from legitimate places. Also all work related sex should be well documented if something like this happens again. Of course this can't help for people having sex outside of work or for the many people in the industry who escort outside of work - there are a lot of people with HIV in USA
The safest option would be that everyone have a test before every job they do but even then you would have to hope that they don't have sex outside of work in between the test and the job

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#21064 - 04/17/04 06:53 PM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
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Maybe monthly testing still and then use Orasure before each shoot. Yea, that costs money, but its worth it.

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#21065 - 04/17/04 06:59 PM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
Rob Longshot Offline
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..... that might be a decent idea.
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#21066 - 04/17/04 08:49 PM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
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Quote:

as we all saw today, even a typo can swell into a rumor that can and up printed as fact in another country.



It was my fault for posting a rumor here last night. I won’t do it again, certainly not mentioning a name.

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we may never know if it started with darren or lara, the viral load tests just are coming out too close to tell.



I have never heard of such an analysis being done. I don’t think it’s possible, and that the errors if you tried would be measured in weeks not days. “possible” here means that once treatment is started I think it would be impossible that measure the individual’s HIV progression rate in order to compare two people.

PS. On a lighter note, here’s the very definition of overreaction. In an earlier HIV outbreak (1998?) Private in Europe declared that no performer would be permitted to work without a valid test. Sure enough, shortly thereafter Rebecca Lord shows up for a shoot without a test of any sort. The director went ballistic and cancelled the scene.

Why was this an overreaction you ask? It was a solo/masturbation scene.
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#21067 - 04/18/04 06:36 AM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
Sabre Offline
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Registered: 11/26/03
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What he said....

I think this might be a good time for the industry to focus on what can be done to keep this from happening again, or at least prolong the amount of time between outbreaks, rather than pointing fingers. I'm pretty sure that the folks who have acted questionably or downright screwed up are aware of their errors. Instead of abusing them, maybe we should wait and see if they choose to redeem themselves.
Then again, I'm a newbie with less than a dozen scenes who couldn't stand living in LA....so maybe the vets know that this won't change anything and I should just go shake my ass for a living and shut up. Or post some nice nekked pics....
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#21068 - 04/18/04 07:07 AM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
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I think given that noone has tested HIV positive for ages that its probably the shoots in other countries that are the biggest danger and people should be tested as soon as they arrive back from overseas. Guys can always wear condoms as well

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#21069 - 04/18/04 08:51 AM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
JRV Offline
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I think given that noone has tested HIV positive for ages that its probably the shoots in other countries that are the biggest danger



The problem is shooting with girls with uncertain histories and without tests going back 30-90 days.

Working with low-grade girls in Brazil is one way. Working with imported hookers in LA is another way.
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#21070 - 04/18/04 07:09 PM Re: relax and wait for the facts.
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it only takes one person to infect many.
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