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#197609 - 10/18/06 12:06 AM
Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 5750
Loc: ATLANTIC CITY
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During a very recent visit to a strip club in San Fran, I had a interesting conversation with a stripper named "Candace." She claimed to be 22, was appx 5'4", about 115, Blond and with NATURAL D cups. She resembled Leelee Sobieski, which is to say she was totally fucking hott. At one point she said to me that she had very seriously considered doing Porn, but ultimately she felt she was making enough money just stripping. Ultimately she said she wants to be a lawyer and said she was junior in an undergrad program but was taking the year off.
I asked her what she made stripping (mind you this is San Fran): Working 4 days a week (3 out of every 4 weeks), 5-6 hours per shift average, she was pulling $5k to $6k AVERAGE a week. From what I observed that night, what I know in general from other chicks, and (mostly) what my friend who works as the manager of the club told me, Candace's numbers are definitely accurate/credible. Thats pretty good money for that type of work.
She said she weighed it out, doing porn and what she felt she could make (and wanted to make) in terms of money, and what the potential costs/downside of porn were, and from PURE dollars and sense standpoint, she could not justify venturing into porn. She has done a little nude modeling and some swimsuit type promotional work, but no Sex.
So my question is, from a MONETARY/Economic point of view, and taking all the COSTS/Downsides of doing porn into account, why dont more girls just STRIP? Even in the case of some of the dodgier-looking porn skanks, they could probably make the same (or almost the same) money just taking their clothes off in a dimly lit bar as opposed to getting their Asses excavated and faces DOUSED in creep splooge for all eternity and for all the world to see. I mean if a AVERAGE looking porn chick made 200 grand in a year working in films getting thoroughly degraded, where she could have made 175 grand working in a strip club (still doing next to nothing), would the 25 grand difference not be worth it to avoid all the negatives of Porn? Bear in mind I am using this simplistic example merely for illustrative purposes, where we all know even an average looking skank like Arianna Jolle (but WITHOUT Arianna's PORN resume/credits) working 4-5 days a week in a strip club could make well above 175k a year...
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#197611 - 10/18/06 03:38 AM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 07/06/05
Posts: 591
Loc: South of Heaven
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what club was it? I love SF strip clubs with New Century Theater being at the top of my list
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#197615 - 10/18/06 08:11 AM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 3178
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why dont more girls just STRIP?
Most girls that are in porn aren't good looking enough to make top dollar stripping. That is, the camera and lighting make up for their acne/cotton cheese thighs/bad attitude. Or so I've been told.
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#197616 - 10/18/06 09:06 AM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 02/23/05
Posts: 3724
Loc: Paddling my canoe in the wild
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I have spent a fair bit of time in the darkened halls of Las Vegas' higher-end strip clubs, and on the weekends there will typically be 100+ girls giving lap dances. Most of them are young, intelligent students who are flawlessly beautiful (I say most as there are always some chaff thrown in too - and I stress that I'm talking about the high end spots).
I have spent many an hour chatting with them, and they typically seem very well adjusted. Many appear to fly in from San Diego and LA for the weekend, strip for three days and go home to their 'lives', supporting themselves through school.
They are not interested in escorting and when the subject of stripping in Canada comes up (there is no G-String law) most are visibly shocked.
I have to agree with Burg - I see these girls that make good cash, can come and go as they please, and don't leave a trail of DVDs and websites to ruin their future lives, and wonder why anyone would want to do porn.
I suppose the only reasonable response is that porn attracts the less grounded, less goal-oriented girls who fall into the vortex.
Whatever happened to Keri Sable?
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#197617 - 10/18/06 10:32 AM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 3178
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I have spent many an hour chatting with them, and they typically seem very well adjusted. Many appear to fly in from San Diego and LA for the weekend, strip for three days and go home to their 'lives', supporting themselves through school.
Just because these sex industry workers go to school and present themselves as 'well adjusted', doesn't mean that is the truth. When they are trying to sell themselves do you seriously think they are going to tell the truth, especially to a higher end client (if there is such a thing)? They want you to empathize and find common ground, I bet that their story changes for different type's of customers. Their job is to size you up and find any way for you to part with your money.
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#197619 - 10/18/06 12:05 PM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 05/06/05
Posts: 1946
Loc: Outer Space
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Hey Burg, if this girl is really that hot and is only willing to do nude modeling, can you send her my way? Strippers who are featured in adult magazines can demand more money from the clubs for their appearances.
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#197622 - 10/18/06 01:53 PM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 07/30/06
Posts: 1712
Loc: at the end of the longest line
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So my question is, from a MONETARY/Economic point of view, and taking all the COSTS/Downsides of doing porn into account, why dont more girls just STRIP?
My guess why more porn girls don't just strip is this, Stripping requires talent. A stripper has got to know how to somewhat dance and look sexy while doing so. Another thing that comes in handy for strippers is chatting with the customers, being friendly(even if they absolutely despise the guy who seems to be willing to drop a couple hundred[or even thousand] buckaroos), finding the little things that can drive a customer wild. As you have said before, a lot of porn girls are lazy(I believe you said this, if not ah well). These gals would rather lie on their backs, take dicks up their pussies, asses, mouth, maybe even nose and ear holes, get plastered with male-gunk all over their bodies, and collect a couple hundred dollars for 2 hours work than work a full-time job(such as stripping). All most of them have to do while this is happening is moan a few times, say lines like "oh baby, your hard cock feels good in my shithole", and survive the whole ordeal until the final cumshot, then go cash the check.
On the other hand I don't think all strippers could make it as porn girls, but I don't want to go into the reasons why right now.
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#197625 - 10/18/06 06:28 PM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/09/05
Posts: 1291
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i've never been to a strip club or even knowingly met a stripper/sex worker of any kind so i can't really comment. the question of why anyone would be in the sex industry is the primary reason i read xpt.
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#197626 - 10/18/06 09:50 PM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Porn Icon
Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3499
Loc: The Dirty: 480
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i've never been to a strip club or even knowingly met a stripper/sex worker of any kind so i can't really comment.
You're makin' a trip over here soon though, right? You're gonna have fuuuun. 
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#197627 - 10/19/06 02:00 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 959
Loc: The Outer Labia of Jenna Haze
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This is the most prolific thing I will ever say on this message board....
No one gives a fuck Burg so shut the fuck up and choke on some WD-40
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#197628 - 10/19/06 12:24 PM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 1557
Loc: New York
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Ultimately she said she wants to be a lawyer and said she was junior in an undergrad program but was taking the year off.
Jesus Burg, will you ever learn?
Enter Christina Schultz, the only whore that did not lie. She is a 2001 graduate of Stanford Law School who was busted by the IRS for tax fraud. The IRS agent said "Based on my training and experience, generally people whose adjusted gross income is consistently less than $13,500 a year are not able to put themselves through Stanford Law School, lease a $70,000 Mercedes-Benz for $1,486 a month, live alone in a $1,800-a-month apartment, pay off almost $300,000 in loans, compile savings over $10,000, build a cash hoard of $40,000, throw away $2,400 in cash and buy postal money orders totaling $13,500 all at one time."
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#197630 - 10/19/06 08:06 PM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/09/05
Posts: 1291
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i've never been to a strip club or even knowingly met a stripper/sex worker of any kind so i can't really comment.
You're makin' a trip over here soon though, right? You're gonna have fuuuun.
yeah, it should be interesting.
hopefully i'm not the guy who in vegas meets a "great girl" at a casino bar only to be shocked when she asks for $30 for a blow job.
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#197633 - 10/20/06 08:51 AM
Re: Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
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It's an interesting question DaBurg, especially if the economic information relayed to you by 'Candace' and your friend is anywhere near correct (bearing in mind they could be dressing things up somewhat). My take on it is this: 1)Porn girls don't have to interact with the end consumer if they don't want to. No porn star will ever meet all of her customers, but a stripper will. 2)Strippers strip and that's all. Porn girls have product they can sell, be it DVDs, magazines, polaroids etc. A stripper just strips. 3) Fame/Notoriety/Brand Name: As Holly pointed out, girls who appear in adult magazines can demand more money. Every strip club proclaims they have the hottest babes around, but you have to take their word for it, which isn't exactly unbiased. Now, if you have a 'pre-judged' girl, be she a Fox magazine covergirl, a Hustler Honey, or even Penthouse's Pet of the Year, she has a certain amount of cachet/fame/titular worth as well as an endorsement from an unconnected source. Guys will want to see what made her so special that the editors picked her. There may very well be girls in the club on a par with her or better looking than her, but they're not Hustler Honeys or Penthouse Pets. It's like setting a guy up on a blind date with a girl who's Playboy Playmate quality or a girl who actually is a Playboy Playmate. Sight unseen, he'll go for the one that already is a Playmate. 4)Using Stormy Daniels as an example, porn stars can do both. Stormy does adult movies and strips too...or more appropriately she 'Feature Dances'. She's not just some run-of-the-mill stripper but a Feature Dancer. Strippers can't do porn or they become porn stars. 5) Stormy again...would she get all that mainstream work if she was just another stripper in some titty bar somewhere? Our survey says: No! 6) Are there such things as 'Contract Strippers' who are signed to exclusive contracts to one club? Do strippers have their own signature sex toy or moulded pussy thing? No! 7) How many household name strippers can you think of that get coverage in mainstream magazines like FHM, Maxim, ICE, etc.? An interesting counterpoint to this would be to know (or at least have some rough guesses) how much contracts with respective companies (Such as Vivid, Digital Playground, Wicked, Adam & Eve, Club Jenna etc.) are actually worth, so as to compare them with the potential earnings a 'gonzo girl' can make. We might find that there's not that much of a difference between what a Kelly Wells and a Teagan Presley earn. Whilst a contract limits the amount of video work a girl can do compared to a gonzo girl, it does still leave plenty of moneymaking options open, like dancing and stills work, as well as providing that contract girl cachet which says 'I'm so good it made sense for my company to take me off the market and stop their competitors using me'. 
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