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#190195 - 09/05/06 12:52 AM
Where is porn going in the future?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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DVD distribution costs combined with lack of sales have killed DVD sales, VOD/clips seems to be where it is at now, so where do you think porn will go in the future? 
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#190197 - 09/05/06 03:05 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Honestly... and I know tons of people are going to slam the shit out of me for saying this, but VOD and net clips is only a temp stopping point in the grand scheme of things.
Right now, I know there is tons of cash being made by promoting and taking advantage of the internet, however, if you step back from it all and REALLY take a serious look at the way things are panning out, you'll see that the path to continued, lasting, success will always be... Traditional... In one form or another.
More coming after I finish up shooting for the day.
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#190199 - 09/05/06 04:23 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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Have you seen this shit?
Chicks with virtual reality creatures. Of course, this poses an interesting dilemma...will girls who are currently sticking to softcore (Say, like Aria Giovanni or Kyla Cole) be prepared to do hardcore with a non-existent partner?
I mean, thinking about it, this is less work than a toys scene...but what rate would girls charge?
Worse still, what happens when we get to the stage of real guys fucking virtual girls. How do you give a facial cumshot to something that doesn't exist in three dimensions? 
On the plus side, because there would be no real women in it, it kind of cuts off the tired old 'exploitation of women' argument off at the knees. With a virtual girl, you can donkey punch and throatfuck the living hell out of her and there's no physical, spiritual, or psychological harm done. Plus, computer graphics don't smoke meth. 
It's a win-win situation all around...unless you like real women, that is.
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#190201 - 09/05/06 07:09 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 07/30/06
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Worse still, what happens when we get to the stage of real guys fucking virtual girls. How do you give a facial cumshot to something that doesn't exist in three dimensions?
On the plus side, because there would be no real women in it, it kind of cuts off the tired old 'exploitation of women' argument off at the knees. With a virtual girl, you can donkey punch and throatfuck the living hell out of her and there's no physical, spiritual, or psychological harm done. Plus, computer graphics don't smoke meth.
It's a win-win situation all around...unless you like real women, that is.
But wouldn't watching REAL guys fucking FAKE sluts be kinda  ?? I mean we may as well be watching a loser having sex with a blow-up doll with a bit more interactivity, right?
Okay then what about all the performers computer generated? I dunno, I personally would feel like I was jerking off to that strange japanese cartoon stuff, or comic books(which I did many to Psylocke from X-Men comics when I was 14 until I found my Dad left a couple of Playboys and Hustlers in the basement when he moved out and...Oh boy, just forget the whole thing in the parentheses, Okay. Just between you guys and me, right??)
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#190203 - 09/06/06 12:16 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/16/06
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Okay, it's late, I'm dog tired, but, to finish up what I was talking about I'm gonna ramble and hope it makes sense… To get a complete view of where X Cinema is going, we have to step back and take a look at where it’s at (presently). Sure, VOD sales are doing REALLY good for a lot of us out here in the void, and when I say “congrats†to those out there making bank, I honestly mean that-- make no mistake there! LOL! However, the central problem with making that mad cash comes from the fact that many VOD sales are internet related… which brings into play (in part anyway) the new change in the 2257 regulations, and subsequently, the government’s physical investigation therein.
You see, from my understanding (and this is just from my little plateau, looking outward) the new reg changes were brought about in an attempt to basically “clean up the internetâ€. To make it safe for kids (and adults) to surf the net and read their email without being bombarded by the fruits of our wares… so to speak… Nothing more, nothing less. Now please, don’t get me wrong here… I use the net just as much as the next skin merchant out there pushing their goods… So, I’m all for it… and once you start viewing this action for what it really is… You’ll see that there is a light at the end of the old tunnel.
(SIDE NOTE #1: All those religious “cultists†presently popping into view, making waves, are nothing more than “jumpers†looking for the next bandwagon to cling to, hoping to push their own agendas…. Keep in mind, the old offering plate isn’t too far behind their smiles…. After all, wasn‘t it “religion“ that put Christ on the cross?)
Anyway… to get back into it… that “light†I was talking about is… porn today is, in many ways, more mainstream, than mainstream. On one end of the spectrum, you’ve got Brain Grazer (Ronnie Howard’s partner) making documentaries about the making of “Deep Throatâ€, while on the other end of the spectrum, you can have “Jenna†teach your happy housewife how to “make love like a porn star†(personally, I would be quite thrilled to see Jenna actually make love like a porn star TO my wife - but I‘m jaded like that)… and scattered in between, you’ve got the sultry Tera Patrick slinking it up all over VH1 (thank you!)… you’ve got Jessie Jane pulling a tour of duty on HBO’s Entourage (kudos!), you’ve got Ginger Lynn wiggling it “old school style†for Rob Zombie, and largely, you can “see more†of, Seymore and his “Family Business“, all over Showtime.
Adult sinema and it’s many faces has been “quietly†accepted as a valid, real-deal, business… so the over all light is… while sales are down this go around, (mostly because for business it’s third qrt, and everything slows down)… it will never die. It can’t! Life won’t allow it to die because we, as people, like to “fuckâ€! And those who don’t like to fuck, ALWAYS wanna watch someone else who does.
Now, while the internet, I predict, will become a more dangerous playground for most of us as time marches forward… I can almost say, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the retail end of the game will continue to thrive long after most of us have long gone… why… Because kids (under 18, or 21 in some states) simply can’t just walk in off the street and browse around (even if they did steal daddy’s credit card). So, my thoughts are more traditional… Classic Retail will always see you home.
(SIDE NOTE #2: Porn in the Age of HD... Aside from folks like Michael Ninn, Andrew Blake, Vivid, Wicked… What fucking super genius thought up the notion of using that technology to shoot their weekend gonzo adventure?! Furthermore, who in their right fucking mind would want to see some of this shit in HD?!!!!!!! What’s next… "Choke On My Cock While My Dad Fist Fuck's Your Asshole Vol 666" filmed in fucking IMAX! Sometimes, even the best of ideas go just a bit too far, eh?)
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#190204 - 09/06/06 12:23 AM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
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Honestly... and I know tons of people are going to slam the shit out of me for saying this, but VOD and net clips is only a temp stopping point in the grand scheme of things.
Right now, I know there is tons of cash being made by promoting and taking advantage of the internet, however, if you step back from it all and REALLY take a serious look at the way things are panning out, you'll see that the path to continued, lasting, success will always be... Traditional... In one form or another.
More coming after I finish up shooting for the day.
I want to hear more about where you were going with this. Sounds good. 
You're idea of the future is close...
Stay tuned - within a couple of weeks, we will be rolling out something that is as revolutionary as the first VOD system we launched back in 1999.
This time we'll be putting Pandora back in the box and returning total control back into the hands of the studio - where it belongs.
Oh, and fuck 'pay per minute.' It kills studio profitability.
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#190205 - 09/06/06 12:27 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/16/06
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"...kills studio profitability..."
Agreed, 1000%!
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#190206 - 09/06/06 03:21 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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(SIDE NOTE #2: Porn in the Age of HD... Aside from folks like Michael Ninn, Andrew Blake, Vivid, Wicked… What fucking super genius thought up the notion of using that technology to shoot their weekend gonzo adventure?! Furthermore, who in their right fucking mind would want to see some of this shit in HD?!!!!!!! What’s next… "Choke On My Cock While My Dad Fist Fuck's Your Asshole Vol 666" filmed in fucking IMAX! Sometimes, even the best of ideas go just a bit too far, eh?)
So fucking true...have Michael Jordan's sneakers will not make you Michael Jordan. Having Jules Jordan's camera will not make you Jules Jordan either.
The worst thing about the majority of the HD Gonzo stuff is that its entire selling point is the fact it's in HD.
'Yes, it's about as uninspired, formulaic, and run of the mill as gonzo can possibly get...BUT IT'S IN HD!!!!' 
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#190207 - 09/06/06 03:28 AM
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Whoremaster
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But wouldn't watching REAL guys fucking FAKE sluts be kinda ?? I mean we may as well be watching a loser having sex with a blow-up doll with a bit more interactivity, right?
You're missing the point...it's already !
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Okay then what about all the performers computer generated? I dunno, I personally would feel like I was jerking off to that strange japanese cartoon stuff, or comic books(which I did many to Psylocke from X-Men comics when I was 14 until I found my Dad left a couple of Playboys and Hustlers in the basement when he moved out and...Oh boy, just forget the whole thing in the parentheses, Okay. Just between you guys and me, right??)
Would these have been the Jim Lee issues, right about the time of the launch of the adjectiveless X-Men title? When Cyclops develops something of a roving eye (or visor) and Psylocke is being a total prick-tease all the time? Or the Joe Madueira 'Camel Toes A'Plenty!!!' run on X-Men? 
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#190209 - 09/06/06 09:30 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/16/06
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Actually Perfume... 3D porn may not be too far off. In truth, it's a lot more closer than we think. In fact, if I were a gambling man, I would say that in the coming years, 3D Porn or in truth, VRX, will involve nothing more than a hardwired pair of glasses of even a full helmet, to watch and become involved with their favorite smut of the moment.
Yes, the technology will be very expensive to market, but in time, as things develop further, the price will go down considerably. However, keep in mind, this too will just be a fad... The real future of porn will remain with retail.
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#190212 - 09/06/06 06:19 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 07/05/04
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I just going to brain dump a response to Baily X's master thesis on the future in porn world. It may not make sense. Mainstream will never accept porn as being legit/mainstream. Doing a few documentries, or having a couple(out of hundreds/thousands) do a few specials doesn't count as acceptance. Once you take dick on film, you're branded for life, sorry, I didn't make the rules, I just state them. Jenna is not going to get a potentially Oscar leading role anytime soon... or ever. As far as VOD/videos in store are concerned, I can see the stores going away completely. Because legislation gets passed doesn't mean the courts will sign off, they can shoot down anti-porn legislation if they feel it is too broad(done that already) or somehow violates the Constitution. Many nice things about doing business over the internet. One is the costs(infrastructure type) are reduced. Also you don't have to pay off the mob to not make illegal copies of your movie and sell it bootleg. You also don't have people making copies and putting them on the internet(although that point is debateable with mailorder DVDs). So I could see video stores going away... of course they said that about "brick and morter" stores during the late 1990's as well, so who knows. The HD thing is way overrated, the last thing I need to see in HD is some porn chic's zits on her ass. Not a good idea at all. P.S. Good thread topic, if I cared more I would give you a bunch of stars or something. 
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#190214 - 09/06/06 07:31 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
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DVD distribution costs combined with lack of sales have killed DVD sales, VOD/clips seems to be where it is at now, so where do you think porn will go in the future?
It will depend largely on the political climate after the next election. If the status quo prevails, why bother to invest capital in innovations which will be cut down by an overzealous legal climate? If moderation prevails, yes there may be virtual porn (I thought that was known as "POV").
Personally, I'd like to roll porn back to the days of 8mm films and VHS tapes. There was a real danger to porn back then, both in performing it and watching it. It weeded out all the pansy casual degenerates, 'cause you had to have some stones to hoof it down to the local smut shop. 
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#190215 - 09/06/06 07:53 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/16/06
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I think in a way I was misunderstood when I talked about porn being "quietly" accepted. I suppose I should've said it is quietly "tolerated". No, the professional mainstrem arena WILL NEVER accept porn pros as legit masters of modern cinema (although most of the newest production/distribution technology is field tested right here in the trenches before being adapated by them... Fact!)
And it is by that "toleration" that the doors will always remian open for a select few out there. (I don't make the rules... I just step back and look at the whole spectrum. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think so.)
By and large, the last thing anyone (government officials, the christian right, mom and pop down the street) wants to do is push porn into the underground where it can't be monitored... where it can't be safeguarded... Right now, porn is more policed by our own than anyone else out there, and that's a good thing.
In reality, the only people that will ever take us seriously are ourselves... And then we should really take that with a grain of salt.
Master thesis.... no.... Just an insider looking at it all from the outside.
"Black is white.... and white is black...."
But what do I know. I just call it like I see it.
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#190217 - 09/07/06 03:14 AM
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Whoremaster
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where do you think porn will go in the future?
SQUIDS !!! 
Strange Days is half an awesome sci-fi flick...the other half seems to be tedious liberal hand-wringing metaphor for the whole Rodney King brouhaha.
As for 'Porn will never be mainstream', I say 'Wanna bet?'.
If it becomes financially feasible, it will be. Right now Hollywood is in a creative nosedive with nothing but pointless shitty remakes, sequels, and films which are utterly predictable...in turn this leads to decreased box office/DVD sales/etc. This what happens when you let accountants make creative decisions, unfortunately, like removing the gore from Aliens vs. Predator so it can get a lower rating and thus be available to a potentially wider audience, but all they succeeded in doing was pissing off hardcore fans and making a very weak, diluted entry into the series. That's beancounter logic at work, unfortunately...
Meanwhile, explicit actual sex is slowly creeping into 'arthouse' or 'indie' films...The Brown Bunny, Nine Songs, Baise Moi, Anatomy of Hell, The Idiots, All About Anna, etc...as well as the celebrity sex tape being almost de rigeur these days. This raises the question...where does the line get drawn?
You say Jenna will never win an Academy award, and I agree with you 100%. But neither will Pamela Anderson, and she is considered 'mainstream'. Not Cameron Diaz mainstream, but mainstream nonetheless. Pamela's fame comes from two things (no pun intended!  ) her physical appearance, which got her the Playboy and Baywatch gigs, and the Tommy Lee sex tape, which really pushed her into the stratosphere.
No one in their right mind is going to offer Pamela Anderson a straight dramatic role where she keeps her clothes on...the same is true for Jenna. I don't see why one should be considered a pariah and the other not.
The recent turnaround in Hollywood, where highly priced actors are getting dumped and big budget projects are getting cancelled in favour of smaller 'franchise' flicks which have their own built in audience is indicative that Hollywood is starting to wise up and get real. It's time for the studios to start calling the shots again, and realise that they are doing actors a favour by giving them work, not the other way around. They also have to realise it is time to start giving the moviegoers what it is they want to see. Dare I say they could start by bringing a little nudity back in?
Mainstream Hollywood fare is so sanitized and asinine these days, and they need to punch it up a little. Having Jessica Alba play a stripper that keeps her clothes on in 'Sin City' (because even though the character strips off in the comic, Ms. Alba has a 'no nudity' clause, and she is a serious actress whose appeal stems only from her incredible Oscar-calibre acting ability ) is the perfect metaphor for this situation. If it was being made today, I tend to think a savvy studio exec would say 'top off or the role's going to someone else'. Ditto Jennifer Love Hewitt...couldn't 'open' a picture by herself, but if said film had her nude or topless in it, it would draw a ton of money. It's just a question of when Hollywood is going to knuckle down to the nitty gritty and start giving the audience what they want to see as opposed to what they think the audience wants to see.
Basically, Hollywood has lost its balls in a big way, and it needs to find them again fast. How far they are willing to go to do that remains to be seen.
Wow...I think I must have contracted Da Burglar syndrome?
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#190218 - 09/07/06 07:51 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Hey Dan G... I LOVED your last post talking about "Stange Days". So completely true, it was near scary, and I don't scare easy.
The bit comparing Pam Anderson and Jenna (as well as the others) was dead on target!
Hollyweird is in just as much of "What do we do now" phase as the adult arena. Talks of same day releasing, HD-DVD vs Blu Ray, remakes of already well made movies... Ughhhh, it's endless! You should really look into what George Lucas & James Cameron are currently spearheading in terms of a new method of distribution where it brings the system back to the days of old yet keeping it all new (amazing techie stuff but the future exposed).
Bravo on the post. B R A V O . . . !
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#190220 - 09/07/06 04:08 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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The only place porn can go, in my opinion, so it can continue to grow and not bog down in this product glut we're at now, is to virtual reality technology. We're maxed out with pics, movies, and themes ... now it's time to go to the next level of interaction. Personally, I love the DVDs where hot porn actresses perform POV style, for commands fed through the remote, asking to see her do it doggy style, or on top, or being able to see the same scene from multiple angles. It's the closest thing to being there, and when we can put on goggles and place stimulation pads on various parts of our body and become emersed in a sexual encounter with a porn hottie, that will be even closer to the real thing. I think that's where it needs to go, and I hope it happens soon. Sell it as a XXXbox.
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#190221 - 09/07/06 04:21 PM
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Whoremaster
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Hollywood could start by releasing something well done...most of it is shit these days.
Very true...but a shit film with Jennifer Love Hewitt getting her tits out would outgross a shit-to-average film in which she stayed clothed.
I think the whole Tom Cruise canning is the watershed...studios are going to start to look at the bottom line a bit more seriously again and be a bit more ruthless. And dare I say that Vivid have presaged this move in the mainstream somewhat with their new contractual terms specify that anal is now a requirement for Vivid girls, not an option? Again, it's about the studio getting what IT wants, product-wise, and not tolerating or accomodating performer whims to the detriment of the company's bottom line.
What's big now is not stars so much as franchises...who's starring in the upcoming Transformers film? I don't know, and I suspect the core audience for this movie don't give a fuck either. No one goes to see a Harry Potter movie because of who's in it...they go because it's a Harry Potter movie and they are Harry Potter fans.
Regardless of who has the better script or the better director, if I put a movie out wherein Jessica Alba gets naked up against a competitor who has a movie in which Jessica Alba does not get naked, which movie do you think all those horny 15 year old Maxim readers are going to want to see most?
Like I say, I think execs are going to start knuckling down and stop pandering to the stars, and start doing what's best for business. That may not result in better movies, but it should result in better box office. They need to up the sex and gore and violence and get away from this toning down to reach a wider audience fad. Basically, they need to make cinema dangerous (and by extension, cool) again.
And who's to say real sex on screen won't do it?
Speaking of which, check out this little gem from our friends over at AVN
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Private Sets Sights on Mainstream Movies
By: Thomas J. Stanton
Posted: 12:44 pm PDT 9-5-2006
BARCELONA - Private Media Group has announced that it would like to begin making mainstream movies. A representative from the adult entertainment company said it has recently pushed forward on a number of ideas that combine sex and the mainstream.
“The whole world is talking about how porn is going mainstream. There is a wax statue of Jenna Jameson at Madame Tussaud’s and porn stars are appearing in advertisements for super brands,†said Private’s CEO and chairman, Berth Milton.
“It’s time for real-sex to be a real box office hit.â€
Milton went on to explain that during the past months, Private has contacted the offices of several mainstream directors, including John Malkovich, Lars Von Trier, Julio Medem and Pedro Almodovar.
“Having a great director is one step, but to produce an award-winning movie you also need a good script and talented actors,†said Gary Thoulouis, Private’s director of marketing.
To get the right actors, Thoulouis explained that Private has decided to offer $1 million to Latoya Jackson to star in one of its future productions and is planning to make the same offer to Sophia Loren, to convince her to co-star in a Private production of an uncensored movie of her life.
“These are not porn films, these are mainstream films produced by accredited directors and production companies,†Thoulouis continued. “We are also planning to make the same or better offers to personalities like Rebecca Romijn, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Yasmine Bleeth."
Erotic images already appear in many varieties and kinds of films shown in cinemas, like art-house films, horror/slasher films, erotic dramas, European films and many mainstream films. Milton explained that Private’s entry into cinema intends to exploit this already established norm as it provides the adult viewer with professionally directed and produced films with popular actors.
For more information on Private Media Group, go to www.private.com.
LaToya Jackson?  Someone over at Private must be 24/7!
Why not make Aria Giovanni or someone an offer they can't refuse instead?
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#190222 - 09/07/06 04:27 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Back in the old days (1990 or so- Windows 2.0 or thereabouts) there was a computer game circulating that did that. I think the whore was Nina Hartley but I could be mistaken. Anyway you had to ask the whore questions and answer her questions in such a way as to get a progression of pics displayed culminating, you hoped, with her getting completely naked in your apartment.
It was supposed to simulate dating.
Why not hook that shit through USB to a pocket pussy and we can kiss the raincoaters goodbye.
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#190223 - 09/07/06 04:47 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
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It will depend largely on the political climate after the next election. If the status quo prevails, why bother to invest capital in innovations which will be cut down by an overzealous legal climate?
Give me a break. The political climate has nothing to do with the future of the industry.
How many prosecutions have there been in the last several years??? 5? 10? You can probably count the number of 'high-profile' arrests on your fingers and that's in the face of tightening regulation by ultra-conservatives.
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#190225 - 09/07/06 07:21 PM
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Human Garbage
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Personally, I'd like to roll porn back to the days of 8mm films and VHS tapes. There was a real danger to porn back then, both in performing it and watching it. It weeded out all the pansy casual degenerates, 'cause you had to have some stones to hoof it down to the local smut shop.
Damn straight, that also goes for the retards making it as well. Now any shithead with access to dad's expense account and a handheld can shoot garbage and call it 'porn'. We need Ed Meese to thin out the numbers a little. Did I just say that?
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You say Jenna will never win an Academy award, and I agree with you 100%. But neither will Pamela Anderson, and she is considered 'mainstream'. Not Cameron Diaz mainstream, but mainstream nonetheless. Pamela's fame comes from two things (no pun intended! ) her physical appearance, which got her the Playboy and Baywatch gigs, and the Tommy Lee sex tape, which really pushed her into the stratosphere.
I don't know if a Pamela/Jenna comparison is all that accurate one takes dick on film, the other did it for home movies only and was "accidently" released. Neither would get the roll, but if one was to get it, it would go to Pamela. There is a sort of 'totem pole' if you will with actors/actresses. Top is Meryl Streep, middle is Pamela, and below the foundation are porn stars.
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They also have to realise it is time to start giving the moviegoers what it is they want to see. Dare I say they could start by bringing a little nudity back in?
Nudity is one thing, but full on fucking/facials is another. What the moviegoers want is quality, you kind of alluded to it in the second/third paragraph about bean counters(I totally agreed BTW). BSG doesn't have nudity(although that would be ), it has quality acting, sripts, and plots. Something Hollywood is lacking. But seeing Chief Tyrol banging Boomer doggy style will only bring in the raincoat crowd, not mainstream american families.
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Mainstream Hollywood fare is so sanitized and asinine these days, and they need to punch it up a little. Having Jessica Alba play a stripper that keeps her clothes on in 'Sin City' (because even though the character strips off in the comic, Ms. Alba has a 'no nudity' clause, and she is a serious actress whose appeal stems only from her incredible Oscar-calibre acting ability ) is the perfect metaphor for this situation. If it was being made today, I tend to think a savvy studio exec would say 'top off or the role's going to someone else'. Ditto Jennifer Love Hewitt...couldn't 'open' a picture by herself, but if said film had her nude or topless in it, it would draw a ton of money. It's just a question of when Hollywood is going to knuckle down to the nitty gritty and start giving the audience what they want to see as opposed to what they think the audience wants to see.
I tend to agree seeing Jessica Alba topless would rule. But it is a long jump from topless(or bottomless) to getting a face full of Ron Jeremy's kids.
In order for porn(I don't count nudity as porn) to be mainstream, America would have to change it's culture drastically and I don't see that happening. According to birth records over the years this country will be more conservative, not less(Conservative are punching out more shorties).
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Wow...I think I must have contracted Da Burglar syndrome?
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#190226 - 09/07/06 09:09 PM
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Agreed, 1000%!
co-signed.. hopefully it is scaled back.. like making one scene from a movie available on VOD, but the others available only on DVD.
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#190227 - 09/08/06 12:06 AM
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Bukkake Boy
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"...kills studio profitability..."
Agreed, 1000%!
co-signed.. hopefully it is scaled back.. like making one scene from a movie available on VOD, but the others available only on DVD.
Dude, that's exactly what we did back in 1999. We would re-edit the scene down to about 10 minutes in duration because bandwidth was expensive, but the studios went "we like to make money and there's three more scenes on the video you can use... encode them."
Everything was going smooth and everyone was making cash until AEBN came on the scene with pay per minute. Then POOF! A guy that would spend $7.99 to stream a 10 minute scene (yes, you heard that right) rolled over there and got off for about $0.30.
That's where we are today...
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#190229 - 09/08/06 02:55 AM
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I don't know if a Pamela/Jenna comparison is all that accurate one takes dick on film, the other did it for home movies only and was "accidently" released. Neither would get the roll, but if one was to get it, it would go to Pamela. There is a sort of 'totem pole' if you will with actors/actresses. Top is Meryl Streep, middle is Pamela, and below the foundation are porn stars.
But why? Are we to pretend that because she doesn't do it on screen, that Sandra Bullock has never sucked a cock? I think this is just an arbitrary double standard on the part of the mainstream. Look at Pammie's TV show 'VIP'...the ability to act convincingly is not the #1 concern on this show, but instead the ability to look good in skimpy outfits. Same deal with 'Baywatch'. Most contract level girls with a bit of feature experience could pull this role off quite easily.
Look at the situation with the soft cut of Digital Playground's 'Pirates'...it's going into mainstream stores and on general display because all of the hardcore has been cut out of it. Who is to say that DP's (or Wicked, or Vivid) next step wouldn't be to make a cheesy, campy TV show like 'VIP', and just insert the hardcore scenes for the home video release. The TV show would in fact be free advertising for the video. If I found out that they were releasing a DVD of the 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' show with hardcore footage of Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku, Michelle Trachtenberg, Charisma Carpenter, Alyson Hannigan, etc., I'd dare say I'd buy it...and I fucking detest Buffy!
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Nudity is one thing, but full on fucking/facials is another. What the moviegoers want is quality, you kind of alluded to it in the second/third paragraph about bean counters(I totally agreed BTW). BSG doesn't have nudity(although that would be ), it has quality acting, sripts, and plots. Something Hollywood is lacking. But seeing Chief Tyrol banging Boomer doggy style will only bring in the raincoat crowd, not mainstream american families.
Nudity is one thing, but it's one thing that is pretty much disappearing from mainstream films. I find it very odd that actresses will have a 'no nudity' clause, but are more than happy to be portrayed shooting people, taking drugs, etc. What's up with that? 
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I tend to agree seeing Jessica Alba topless would rule. But it is a long jump from topless(or bottomless) to getting a face full of Ron Jeremy's kids.
I'm not saying she would have to chow cum on film, but rather that studios need to get a bit more realistic and start getting what they need rather than what the actor or actress wants.
Could you imagine Jet Li sitting down to discuss a script with some producers and saying 'I love the script, but I'd just like one small change...instead of my character beating the living shit out of his heavily armed adversaries with just his bare hands, I'd like him to seek out a peaceful resolution by reasoning with them and calmly discussing the differences between the two parties.'
Do you think said producer is going to say 'That's a great idea Jet!' or do you think he's going to say 'Get me Tony Jaa's agent...a role has just come up which I think he's suited for'.
Having Jessica Alba or whoever in a bikini ain't gonna cut it...people can see that in FHM and Maxim. The films need to have a Unique Selling Point, and giving people what they can see (and have indeed already seen) elsewhere isn't going to cut it. They need to ensure that films go from being 'might see' to 'must see'. The sad fact of the matter is that if you have Jessica Alba, Jessica Simson, Jennifer Love Hewitt, etc. getting them off in your film, then it's going to do box office because it's an 'event', especially for that all-important 18-35 male demographic. No one would give a fuck what the movie was about, who directed it, etc., but it would be a hit. Guys everywhere would be talking about it, and going to see it too.
And if you could tie that 'event' in with a script and a director that were good, and make good film out of it too, then the sky would be the limit. You also know that DVD sales would be through the roof on it as well. I don't think it's going to be too long before the penny starts to drop for the big studios, but we'll see...
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In order for porn(I don't count nudity as porn) to be mainstream, America would have to change it's culture drastically and I don't see that happening. According to birth records over the years this country will be more conservative, not less(Conservative are punching out more shorties).
Conservatives don't always breed Conservatives, and Liberals don't always breed Liberals. Kids very often rebel against their upbringing and their parents, one way or another.
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#190230 - 09/08/06 06:55 PM
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But why? Are we to pretend that because she doesn't do it on screen, that Sandra Bullock has never sucked a cock?
Unfortunetly yes.
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I think this is just an arbitrary double standard on the part of the mainstream.
You're correct, it is.
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Look at Pammie's TV show 'VIP'. Same deal with 'Baywatch'.
Look at 'VIP' ratings. Baywatches ratings came from overseas.
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Most contract level girls with a bit of feature experience could pull this role off quite easily.
I think you overestimate the talent in contract girls.
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Look at the situation with the soft cut of Digital Playground's 'Pirates'...it's going into mainstream stores and on general display because all of the hardcore has been cut out of it. Who is to say that DP's (or Wicked, or Vivid) next step wouldn't be to make a cheesy, campy TV show like 'VIP', and just insert the hardcore scenes for the home video release. The TV show would in fact be free advertising for the video. If I found out that they were releasing a DVD of the 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' show with hardcore footage of Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku, Michelle Trachtenberg, Charisma Carpenter, Alyson Hannigan, etc., I'd dare say I'd buy it...and I fucking detest Buffy!
If you shoot a porn movie and take out all the sex scenes it will still be viewed as a porn movie(and vice versa with your Buffy example). It'll have the same stigma as 'Plow Your Asshole #854'.
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I find it very odd that actresses will have a 'no nudity' clause, but are more than happy to be portrayed shooting people, taking drugs, etc. What's up with that?
Haven't a clue, another arbitrary double standard of our society I guess.(?)
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And if you could tie that 'event' in with a script and a director that were good, and make good film out of it too, then the sky would be the limit.
If you had a really good script/acting/plot and the sex wasn't gratuitous, then it may work. Unfortunately there are budgets and deadlines. Producers/Directors/Actors only have so much time and money. If 'Pirates' sells well without the sex, then why would the actresses do the sex scene and get the stigma? P.S. It won't sell.
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#190231 - 09/08/06 11:40 PM
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ps-I like your pics.
Make that a double
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#190232 - 09/08/06 11:44 PM
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Bukkake Boy
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... I'd like to roll porn back to the days of 8mm films and VHS tapes. There was a real danger to porn back then, both in performing it and watching it.
Seedy old movie houses on the bad side of town. I used to be fucking terrified to go see a Dark Bros or DeRenzy flick back in the mid-80s. But damn was it worth it, rank odor of old man semen and homeless piss. Hoy.
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#190233 - 09/09/06 02:05 AM
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Porn is a product. And in the end, the real true worth of any product and/or service is ultimately determined by how much someone is willing to pay for it. That's called Free Enterprise. Capitalism. Fuck the "blue book price". Fuck what some antique expert on PBS thinks your dead Aunt Tilly's vintage quilt will fetch at auction..etc. Fuck the great "buzz" surrounding your sure fire, indy movie. Fuck the TOPPS magazine report that claims your baseball card collection is worth a million dollars etc. That's all hype. And it doesn't mean shit. Tell me what you sold it for! What did Mr. John Q. Public pay for your shit? That's what it's worth. That's the only true determination of market value...and it's called the bottom line. The overpriced diamond ring you bought from Zales for your former girlfriend is worth exactly what you pawned it for the day you caught her fucking your best friend. And if you took the $75 bucks from Mr. Pawnbroker--- then that's what your "mistake" is worth. Sad but true. I don't know exactly where porn is going in the future. But I know one thing for sure.... There's no such thing as a self-made millionaire. Porn--- much like life is a zero sum game. And for every seller there has to be a buyer to keep the game going...the exchange of currency. The companies that "keep on keepin' on"....year after year...the guys who have the big boats and the mansions on the hill.....have figured out that you need to produce whatever product the guy on the street is willing to pay for. And if he's willing to pay MORE then what it costs you to PRODUCE it...then you have a winner. A profit. And you keep on giving him more of the same fix...no matter how shitty the rest of us "80's Retro Porn Junkies" think his "stuff" is. If it sells profitably...in volume...it's a winner. Period. Because that's the definition of a money making enterprise..be it porn or widgets. Cuz the truth is....if "Debbie Does Dallas" was truly what "today's" America's porn buyers wanted as a whole....I promise you...someone would dig up Bambi Woods asap... and we'd be seeing her blow Ron Jeremy in some locker room scene 30 years after the fact. And how scary is that? P.S. AP Report 9/8/: Ginger Lynn scored a controversial second round TKO over Traci Lords in a celebrity boxing match in Las Vegas last night. The fight was stopped by Nevada State Athletic Representative Marc Rattner and ringside doctor Flip Homansky on advice of referee Richard Steele. Miss Lords was hospitalized overnight in LasVegas for observation as she denied ever being in the ring with Miss Lynn??? Lords indicated she plans to sue World Modeling's Jim South and promoter Don King for "pain and suffering" as a result of this booking. VegasVince www.vanitybookings.com
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#190234 - 09/09/06 11:29 PM
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The only place porn can go, in my opinion, so it can continue to grow and not bog down in this product glut we're at now, is to virtual reality technology. We're maxed out with pics, movies, and themes ... now it's time to go to the next level of interaction.
Actually, virtual reality porn, or as it's being called, VRX, IS in development right now. The technology, as a whole, was first developed as a way of rendering standard 2D movie classics in 3D space, grounding them (for the viewer) in a more "real" atmosphere. It was to be field tested on Orsen Welles' classic "Citizen Kane", however, sources close to the rights on that film stated that, "if Orsen intended this film to be in 3D, he would've shot it in 3D!" (Of course, they forgot that 3D, as a process, wasent even deveoped at the time Orsen made "Kane"), so the idea went back on the shelf.
Jump ahead a few years to a power-meeting about HD (of all things) between Steve Spielberg, George Lucas, Jim Cameron, and Peter Jackson, at Lucas' asylum up in Marin County and the topic comes up about somehow "remaking" some of their films using a new 3D process that places the standard 2D film characters into 3D recreations of the 2D scenes (in a sense... "3D in Reverse" -- not coming at you, but rather, going AWAY from you... placing YOU, the viewer, into the setting of the movie.)
Anyway... long story short, word on the street says that a couple enterprising folks from Hollyweird is working on bringing this new technology into the forefront, and of course, into the porn realm. In fact, it's been said that it will be test-driven right here in the trenches of smut-central before venturing outward into the broad mainstream area.
Personally, I've seen some of the new renderings for what Lucas is calling, SW3D and the shots are without a doubt... AMAZING, but the technology is still too expensive to afford (Think of the price tag NASA would quote you for selling you a space shuttle... Just for perspective).
But, when it comes down in price, the results would surpass any and everything out there now... ! The raincoaters WILL FUCKING LOVE those who gives it to 'em like this.
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#190235 - 09/09/06 11:35 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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... I'd like to roll porn back to the days of 8mm films and VHS tapes. There was a real danger to porn back then, both in performing it and watching it.
Seedy old movie houses on the bad side of town. I used to be fucking terrified to go see a Dark Bros or DeRenzy flick back in the mid-80s. But damn was it worth it, rank odor of old man semen and homeless piss. Hoy.
AHHHHHH... Now were talking! The stigma, the vibe, the sticky floors... Goddamnit where's a time machine!!!! LOL!!!!
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#190236 - 09/15/06 11:14 AM
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There was a whole topic about this on that "other" porn board not too long ago. One thing I saw there that made me think was that with all the proliferation of digital video clips available (thanks to web-distribution), some enterprising company will soon open up a "make your own VOD/DVD" service where you can mix and match whatever clips you want to create your own compilation. Beats the crap outta buying someone else's idea of what makes for good comps.
I also think you will see more of the "virtual girl" kind of thing, but with much better video clips. Basically film a porn starlet in any number of poses in front of a green screen, complete with a green dildo for insertion into her various orifices, all filmed in POV style. Then you can mix and match whatever stand-ins you want for the green-screen dildo's, mix and match settings, music, etc.....create your own porn scene as it were.
POV+Virtual Reality+massive library of digital images = custom porn on demand.
It's almost here now.
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#190237 - 09/15/06 11:22 AM
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Mike South is already selling downloadable DVD quality porn by the scene. It might be his content only or he might have others too, I'm not sure. You can download the scene, copy it to a CD and pop it in your DVD player.
Someone with a huge catalogue like JM should be able to make some serious cash doing that.
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#190238 - 09/15/06 11:47 AM
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Yes I have been doing DVD ala carte for well over a year, call it DVD for download or download to own or whatever it is DVD encoded scenes that you can select ala carte then combined them on to a DVD with any authoring program...no need to transcode...its already DVD...pop it in your dvd player and go.
If your DVD player reads CDs most of the scenes would fit on a CD.
I aso offer full DVD for download...menus and all and as for the future of porn I think this is the near future if not the present.
As for the not so far future HiDef is gonna get BIG but most shooters in porn right now have no clue how to properly shoot HiDef. The Bluray HD-DVD wars are largely bogged down in how they are going to implement copy protection. Read up on that BEFORE you buy a bluray DVD or HD DVD burner for yer puter...it probably will not play either one.
the real winner could be the guy who can mass market the FACT that if your regular DVD can play MPG4 you can get the same quality at 2 hours as bluray and HD HDVD on a plain old DVD9.
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#190239 - 09/15/06 08:49 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/21/03
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Mike South is already selling downloadable DVD quality porn by the scene. It might be his content only or he might have others too, I'm not sure. You can download the scene, copy it to a CD and pop it in your DVD player.
Someone with a huge catalogue like JM should be able to make some serious cash doing that.
DVDs, the gonzo kind, will be obsolete soon.
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#190240 - 09/19/06 07:29 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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At least the ones in HD will be.... fact!
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#190241 - 09/19/06 04:37 PM
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You know, alls this talk about technical format is deeply disturbing to me. The "content" is the thing, and it is being avoided patholgically. Young women portrayed in violent/degrading/debasing sexual images forever on readily available media of any format is a tragedy not only to that young woman and her sociasls circles (beloved ort no) but also to we what watch it and they who don't know and don't know they don't know. Good CVhrist. Geez. geez Louise.
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